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O'Rothlain
03-06-08, 03:12 AM
Ireland Squad to Face NZ:</span>
</span>Player / Club / Caps
15 - Robert Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 6
14 - Shane Horgan (Boyne/Leinster) 61
13 - Brian O&#39;Driscoll Captain (UCD/Leinster) 83
12 - Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock College/Leinster) 4
11 - Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 13
10 - Ronan O&#39;Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster) 82
9 - Eoin Reddan (Wasps) 10

1 - Marcus Horan (Shannon/Munster) 56
2 -Jerry Flannery (Shannon/Munster) 21
3 - John Hayes (Bruff/Munster) 84
4 - Donncha O&#39;Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 45
5 - Paul O&#39;Connell (Young Munster/Munster) 52
6 - Alan Quinlan (Shannon/Munster) 25
7 - David Wallace (Garryowen/Munster) 46
8 - Jamie Heaslip (Clontarf/Leinster) 8


16 - Rory Best (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) 22
17 - Tony Buckley (Shannon/Munster) 7
18 - Mick O&#39;Driscoll (Cork Constitution/Munster) 15
19 - Denis Leamy (Cork Constitution/Munster) 32
20 - Peter Stringer (Shannon/Munster) 82
21 - Paddy Wallace (Ballymena/Ulster) 8
22 - Girvan Dempsey (Terenure College/Leinster) 80

http://www.irishrugby.ie/images/news/irl_nz_horgan.jpg

darwin_23
03-06-08, 03:25 AM
Strong looking Ireland team - surprises (to me) are Quinlan over Leamy at 6, and Kearney over Dempsey at Fullback (though I will admit I have not seen a lot of European rugby lately..). Will be interesting to see how Fitzgerald goes at 12 - I&#39;d imagine the AB&#39;s will be targeting O&#39;Gara and him on defense (particularly if they select Nonu at 12)..

All Blacks team due to be named at 4pm NZ time (apparently) - thats in about 30mins...

darwin_23
03-06-08, 04:12 AM
All Blacks team names:

1. Neemia Tialata
2. Andrew Hore
3. John Afoa
4. Brad Thorn
5. Ali Willliams
6. Rodney So’oialo
7. Richie McCaw
8. Jerome Kaino
9. Andy Ellis
10. Dan Carter
11. Sitiveni Sivivatu
12. Ma’a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Anthony Tuitavake
15. Mils Muliaina

Reserves:
16. Keven Mealamu
17. John Schwalger
18. Anthony Boric
19. Adam Thomson
20. Jimmy Cowan
21. Stephen Donald
22. Leon MacDonald

Not considered because of injury: Leonard, Woodcock and Kahui

Largely predictable team- So&#39;oialo at 6 and Kaino at 8 is strange, though they can interchange throughout the match. Tuitavake gets the first go on the right wing, while Muliana is preferred to MacDonald at 15. Interesting that Schwalger is named ahead of Sommerville on the bench - it suggests they don&#39;t rate Sommervilles ability to cover the loosehead side... A total of 4 new caps (Tuitavake, Boric, Thomson, Donald) in the 22.

esoj
03-06-08, 04:24 AM
interesting choices at 6 and 8 thought it would have been the other way around. the rest is pretty much as expected.

nam97
03-06-08, 04:47 AM
Strange looking pack, very strange.

Back line looks on the money, exactly what I would have chosen.

Prestwick
03-06-08, 04:52 AM
Strange looking pack, very strange. [/b]

Do you think this signals that the selection merry-go-round method which Henry used in the last few years will continue unabated?

sanzar
03-06-08, 06:19 AM
It&#39;s possible wouldn&#39;t you say? I mean, shambolic RWC exit not withstanding (and one not exactly without controversy), the same policy did produce something like 44 wins out of 48 games over 4 years... that&#39;s one loss a year (and I think 2 of those were in South Africa - one of the hardest places to play).

esoj
03-06-08, 06:23 AM
<div class='quotemain'> Strange looking pack, very strange. [/b]

Do you think this signals that the selection merry-go-round method which Henry used in the last few years will continue unabated?
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I think we will potentially see more changes there since that is where a lot of players have gone from. guys like jack and collins were in the team for a long time and it could take a few games at least until the coaching staff are happy they have found replacements. the backs on the other hand are largely still intact and nz seems to have a factory of wings coming through at the moment. 12 could definitely be a problem though there isn&#39;t a whole left there and it will be interesting to see who gets tried if nonu fails there.

Gay-Guy
03-06-08, 08:44 AM
Tuitavake is a couple of yards too slow to be a true winger. Maybe Henry is following the Deans model of team players on the wing instead of true speedsters.



Are there not any other wingers around?

MunsterMan
03-06-08, 09:00 AM
I have heard Quinlan has a thigh injury and is not playing. Leamy at 6, Jennings on to the bench. He is a big loss, motm in heineken cup final, semi and a handful of pool games but leamy is an excellent replacement.

I am not worried about fitz&#39;s defence he is a good tackler and BOD will play 12 most of the time anyway. Hopefully Nonu will be stupid enough to run straight at BOD :bleh!:

Gay-Guy
03-06-08, 09:08 AM
BOD will step all over Nonu lol! Nonu can&#39;t defend!



If Ireland wins I will hate Henry with a vengeance!!!!!!

MunsterMan
03-06-08, 09:13 AM
The Fitzgerald/BOD partnership could be very exciting. Fitz is an excellent player and at only 20, is regarded as BOD&#39;s long term replacement by many over here. If Nonu defends badly this could be a very exciting match.

Gay-Guy
03-06-08, 09:28 AM
If Nonu defends badly this could be a very exciting match. [/b]

Lol...."If"????? Ummmm.....I sometimes think that maybe Henry is giving Nonu ONE MORE chance to prove himself as he will surely never be given a chance if he misses tackles again like he did last time.

However if Nonu becomes the man then this may be the beginning of Nonu having a midfield starting place for the next few years :lol:

nam97
03-06-08, 09:29 AM
We&#39;re putting out a 900kg pack. The front 3 alone have a combined weight of 357kg. Must be one of the biggest packs we&#39;ve had in a while.

Jer1cho
03-06-08, 09:47 AM
This is gonna be a great game. Really hoping the Irish can give the All Blacks a decent game. Not like what the French do when they play there...

Gay-Guy
03-06-08, 09:48 AM
Hopefully the headlines the next day won&#39;t read "All Black for NZ Pack"

esoj
03-06-08, 09:58 AM
Tuitavake is a couple of yards too slow to be a true winger. Maybe Henry is following the Deans model of team players on the wing instead of true speedsters.



Are there not any other wingers around?

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howlett and gear both offshore and rocketman is injured so the stocks compared to last year are a bit lower. perhaps masaga could have been given a go or david smith. tuitavake make lack the speed but he can still get through the line and he does have a nice step.

nam97
03-06-08, 10:16 AM
<div class='quotemain'> Tuitavake is a couple of yards too slow to be a true winger. Maybe Henry is following the Deans model of team players on the wing instead of true speedsters.



Are there not any other wingers around?

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howlett and gear both offshore and rocketman is injured so the stocks compared to last year are a bit lower. perhaps masaga could have been given a go or david smith. tuitavake make lack the speed but he can still get through the line and he does have a nice step.
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I&#39;m fairly certain he&#39;ll hold his own against the Irish wingers anyway. When it comes to facing SA I might be a bit more worried with him there.

Incredible Schalk
03-06-08, 11:43 AM
<div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> Tuitavake is a couple of yards too slow to be a true winger. Maybe Henry is following the Deans model of team players on the wing instead of true speedsters.



Are there not any other wingers around?

[/b]

howlett and gear both offshore and rocketman is injured so the stocks compared to last year are a bit lower. perhaps masaga could have been given a go or david smith. tuitavake make lack the speed but he can still get through the line and he does have a nice step.
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I&#39;m fairly certain he&#39;ll hold his own against the Irish wingers anyway. When it comes to facing SA I might be a bit more worried with him there.
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Horgan and Bowe are very slow, he shouldnt have a problem.

MunsterMan
03-06-08, 12:04 PM
:lol:

peppers07
03-06-08, 01:22 PM
Alan quinlans got an ankle injury so Shane jenning comes on to the bench and Leamy starts. Im glad fitzgerald has finally been picked in the centre always thought hed be better there than on the wing. Would have liked to see Tony Buckly start despite his scrumaging. As for tuitivake he cant be slower than Bow

shazbooger
03-06-08, 02:26 PM
The season has been such a contrast for us. From the lows of the WC and the 6 Nations at international level to the highs of the Magners League (a relatively low-key high associated with winning winning a poor league) and the HEC.



The biggest factors for me are;

Home advantage - Still worth in or around 8 points in my mind.

Post season hangover - I&#39;m not convinced the Munster lads will mentally be in the right place for this series. If they are, they could do some serious damage to this NZ pack.

No EOS - Given that we sent Bradley down with the team I&#39;m not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

New NZ Team - Possible defensive frailties (not talking about Nonu here) due to lack of time together.



The players have proven they can compete at club level, but those same players have consistently underperformed at international level that I dont really understand any Irish optimism at this stage. The facts are, Ireland have been totally **** all year. Swapping Eddie O&#39;Sullivan for Michael Bradley is hardly an instant cure for general ****ness.

Gavin
03-06-08, 02:52 PM
Not sure why everyone slags off Nonu. He is a top class player and was one of the best centers in the Super14. Personally, I don&#39;t think Smith is All Black material, even though he is a Mauger-type of player. This test, for Conrad, will be either a sink or swim time. If he doesn&#39;t perform I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if he is dropped in favour of Tuitavake or even Kahui, when he returns from injury.

Andy Ellis and Dan Carter will play well together and bring in their form from the Crusaders. I was surprised that Andrew Hore was starting ahead of Kevin Mealamu as Mealamu always performs when he is in an All Black jersey.

The two props look good, but I would have liked to seen a new face to partner Ali Williams, a.k.a Spiderman, in the second-row, perhaps Boric or even Thomson. The back-row looks very strong and I&#39;m looking forward to the two young guns at number eight clashing with eachother.

This will be a baptism of fire for Luke Fitzgerald, but thankfully he has the legend that is Brian O&#39;Driscoll as a partner in the center. Kearney will hopefully continue his good form in the green shirt, while the second-row of O&#39;Callaghan and O&#39;Connell will prove what the Kiwis are really made of.

The front-row battle with be pivotal, with, in my view, Ireland just pinching it. It&#39;ll be great to see David Wallace go up against the New Zealand King Richie McCaw and cause him a few problems, just like the Highlander&#39;s back-row did when they beat the Crusaders in Christchurch.

sanzar
03-06-08, 03:20 PM
Ireland could have a real chance here I think, but then again they&#39;ve never actually beaten the ABs and without a side that look truly dominant I just can&#39;t see it happening.

Incredible Schalk
03-06-08, 04:42 PM
Both teams are on a bit of a low, but the All Blacks at home are almost impossible to beat. They havent lost since 2003 at home, i cant see that changing. Exciting to see the likes of Fitzgerald and Heaslip in the starting lineup.

Prestwick
03-06-08, 06:09 PM
It&#39;s possible wouldn&#39;t you say? I mean, shambolic RWC exit not withstanding (and one not exactly without controversy), the same policy did produce something like 44 wins out of 48 games over 4 years... that&#39;s one loss a year (and I think 2 of those were in South Africa - one of the hardest places to play). [/b]

Add onto that the fact that Henry is having to start from scratch then the tactic makes sense. However, I&#39;m sure that this time he&#39;ll know what his optimum XV will be come 2011 and stick to it when the tournament starts.

O'Rothlain
03-06-08, 06:26 PM
Not sure why everyone slags off Nonu. He is a top class player and was one of the best centers in the Super14. [/b]
I agree. Nonu was really good this season. I think he&#39;ll put on a good display at centre. If there are any failings for NZ, I think it will be team failings.

errlloyd
03-06-08, 06:50 PM
First post ftw.

Is anyone else Questioning Murphy&#39;s lack of inclusion in the 22. Don&#39;t get me wrong Girv is an awesome players, but I can&#39;t see him changing the game if he comes on at all, which leads me to believe Bradley intends to play the game without using any back substitutions even in times of difficulty.

I realize Murphy is shocking on the wing but he prooved last year he is awesome at full back, and Kearney can play quite comfortably on the wing.

I think as cover for 15 Murphy would allow Bradley more options. Maybe you disagree.

Prestwick
03-06-08, 07:07 PM
Doesn&#39;t Murphy play at full back at Leicester? The guy seems to have adventure in spades when at FB.

MunsterMan
03-06-08, 07:08 PM
Welcome to TRF, You&#39;re right though. Murphy definitely offers more off the bench than Girve.

errlloyd
03-06-08, 07:25 PM
Welcome to TRF, You&#39;re right though. Murphy definitely offers more off the bench than Girve.
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Thanks for the welcome.

I think over 80 minute Girv is the conservative choice, he is an excellent tackler, excellent positioning and unbeatable under the high ball. But is that what we want in a sub.

My opinion is that Murphy should be used as an impact sub for Ireland, however maybe our lack of depth over the past few years have made us overlook this asset.

woosaah
04-06-08, 03:05 AM
anyway...

I think the AB&#39;s will be at a huge disadvantage for this game. They are playing against the old rules, and after playing for 14-16 weeks under the new rules will have alot to do to get back to the old stuff.

will be a challenge, and will make it that much easier for the irish givin that the abs only have a couple of weeks together, some of them only started with the team this week.

O'Rothlain
04-06-08, 03:13 AM
anyway...

I think the AB&#39;s will be at a huge disadvantage for this game. They are playing against the old rules, and after playing for 14-16 weeks under the new rules will have alot to do to get back to the old stuff.

will be a challenge, and will make it that much easier for the irish givin that the abs only have a couple of weeks together, some of them only started with the team this week. [/b]
That&#39;s all I&#39;ve been trying to say for a while now...
It just seems that the AB&#39;s are, at the moment, at a disadvantage and if the Irish play to their best can capitolize on that.

nam97
04-06-08, 05:09 AM
<div class='quotemain'> anyway...

I think the AB&#39;s will be at a huge disadvantage for this game. They are playing against the old rules, and after playing for 14-16 weeks under the new rules will have alot to do to get back to the old stuff.

will be a challenge, and will make it that much easier for the irish givin that the abs only have a couple of weeks together, some of them only started with the team this week. [/b]
That&#39;s all I&#39;ve been trying to say for a while now...
It just seems that the AB&#39;s are, at the moment, at a disadvantage and if the Irish play to their best can capitolize on that.
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Too true. I might put a sly 10 on Ireland to win, just so I don&#39;t feel too ****** off in the event of an AB loss.

errlloyd
04-06-08, 07:49 AM
I&#39;d love to have the confidence to bet on Ireland....

When was the last time we won an away tour match against a southern hemisphere team... I don&#39;t think we did while Eddie was coach. Last season we lost 2 around this time of year to Argentina, I know it was our second string but it was theirs too.

What channel&#39;s are showing the match, or are any ?

danny
04-06-08, 08:26 AM
<div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> anyway...

I think the AB&#39;s will be at a huge disadvantage for this game. They are playing against the old rules, and after playing for 14-16 weeks under the new rules will have alot to do to get back to the old stuff.

will be a challenge, and will make it that much easier for the irish givin that the abs only have a couple of weeks together, some of them only started with the team this week. [/b]
That&#39;s all I&#39;ve been trying to say for a while now...
It just seems that the AB&#39;s are, at the moment, at a disadvantage and if the Irish play to their best can capitolize on that.
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Too true. I might put a sly 10 on Ireland to win, just so I don&#39;t feel too ****** off in the event of an AB loss.
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Dont waste money on a bet on Ireland. Its a terribly off form Ireland against an AB side with some changes up front but with more than enough fire power to win by at least 20 points. Save your money.

nam97
04-06-08, 08:31 AM
I&#39;ll take your word for it.

So whats this Fitzgerald guy like? Any good? Is he a Ma&#39;a Nonu type player, or more of an Aaron Mauger type player?

errlloyd
04-06-08, 09:13 AM
Hes a Fullback, that usually plays on the wing and we have thrown him in at first center.....

He&#39;s young and quite energetic offensively, light on his feet and quick. I don&#39;t think he is a good passer or kicker (although Tony Ward seems to think so). He played Out Half for Blackrock College (traditionally considered one of the better rugby Schools in Ireland, Brian O Driscol went there) so I must assume he has some skills with foot and hand but I am not sure.

I think he is going to get mullered to be honest, I also don&#39;t think we should start a lightweight first center beside ROG.

If he gets space you can expect a lighting game, he will benefit greatly off ROG&#39;s flat passing provided he has time before the crunch hits him. I still think we would be better off with Trimble but he is a mile better then Horgan playing center.


EDIT: Actually Trimble is Injured, maybe he is our best bet. Bowe sometimes plays Center for Ulster though....

Gay-Guy
04-06-08, 10:03 AM
I might put a sly 10 on Ireland to win, just so I don&#39;t feel too ****** off in the event of an AB loss. [/b]

Gee I might put $20...what is the TAB paying?



$6.25 for Ireland to win......



Hmmmm...so I give $20 and I might collect $125!!!!

shazbooger
04-06-08, 10:16 AM
Fitzgerald is all potential at the moment, he hasnt actually delivered anything meaningful yet. Considering he has barely broken into the Leinster team, all the hype is a little excessive. I dont think he will be half as isolated as some people say. BOD has already spoken of how they will be interchanging positions regularly, and Wallace has always been quick enough to cover the channel.

I&#39;m not worried about the 10-12 channel too much to be honest.

Was watching a bit of the S14 final again last night. The sheer ferocity of the breakdown competition scared the bejesus out of me. Waugh, McCaw and company were literally flinging their bodies into rucks. I didnt think any NH teams could compete with that until it was mentioned that the new laws only ping offenses in these areas as free kicks. The risk vs&#39; reward under the new laws makes it more rewarding to challenge for a turnover. I wonder however if this mentality could cause problems for the SH teams under the normal rules. A danger of being pinged off the park for consistent infringment in this area?

Any idea who the ref&#39;s are going to be NH or SH referees?

errlloyd
04-06-08, 11:43 AM
Not a clue who is reffing, lets hope its an Argentinian (Argentine??)

Certainly interesting how the rule changes will come into affect, it could work the opposite way, I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if the lads are so conscious of the rules to see them holding off to there loss.

loratadine
04-06-08, 11:49 AM
new zealand 55
ireland 9

el_tk
04-06-08, 02:50 PM
Hes a Fullback, that usually plays on the wing and we have thrown him in at first center.....

He&#39;s young and quite energetic offensively, light on his feet and quick. I don&#39;t think he is a good passer or kicker (although Tony Ward seems to think so). He played Out Half for Blackrock College (traditionally considered one of the better rugby Schools in Ireland, Brian O Driscol went there) so I must assume he has some skills with foot and hand but I am not sure.
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He played fullback and centre for Rock, not outhalf. Chances are he&#39;ll defend in the 13 channel. In fairness to Fitzgerald he was Leinster&#39;s top try scorer this year. He&#39;s international class, maybe not quite internationally physical yet. He&#39;s gotta learn sometime.

As for the overall game, given Ireland&#39;s poor form and poor coach there&#39;s no real way I can see them being the first Ireland side to beat NZ especially considering that this team on form only managed to run a NZ side missing 6 or 7 first choice players (Carter and McCaw among them) close last time round.

errlloyd
04-06-08, 04:53 PM
You sure he didn&#39;t play 10, I heard he did a number of times.

Fushitsusha
05-06-08, 02:07 AM
Well, Fitzgerald is now out of the match with an ankle injury with Paddy Wallace coming into inside centre...

Big blow for Ireland...

ChiefsFan
05-06-08, 04:09 AM
How many injuries is that now?

I was looking forward to see this Fitgerald play.

On a side note. On Fantasy Test Rugby Fitzgerald can only be selcted as an Outside Back (OB) and is worth 500K I think.

el_tk
05-06-08, 09:38 AM
You sure he didn&#39;t play 10, I heard he did a number of times. [/b]
He started 10 in the Junior Cup Final when he was in 3rd year as the normal outhalf was injured but it wasn&#39;t working during the match so they switched him to fullback and he spent his 3 years at Senior Cup between centre and fullback.

Fitzgerald&#39;s injury leaves Ireland with 2 fullbacks on the bench in Murphy and Dempsey which is a bit odd but infinitely better than having Dowling on the bench

errlloyd
05-06-08, 10:24 AM
I think it was Tony Ward (who is SCT coach of Gerads of course) who said it.


Losing him is a major blow, he goes with Darcy and Trimble as an injured center, shame. Bowe occasionally plays center for Ulster, we could shift him in, whack Kearney on the wing and Murphy at fullback.

But maybe Wallace is an ok choice, however if either Rog or Wallace gets injured I think will happen.

Prestwick
05-06-08, 10:34 AM
Actually, that is an interesting question. How big a blow would it be if ROG were to suffer an injury which kept hin out of the game? Who would take up kicking duties?

I&#39;m sure we could lend you Charlie Hodgson.....please??

MunsterMan
05-06-08, 11:30 AM
I presume it would be Paddy Wallace going to Flyhalf and goalkicking with Bowe/Horgan moving to center, Kearney moving to wing and Murphy/Dempsey going to Fullback.

errlloyd
05-06-08, 11:36 AM
Please not Horgan in Center, he is shocking off the wing.

If Rog gets injured we are f*cked plain and simple.

Fushitsusha
05-06-08, 01:11 PM
If Rog gets injured we are f*cked plain and simple.
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Unfortunately you guys have &#39;The Larkham problem&#39; which is a term I&#39;ll now use for any similar situation.

Thankfully in Australia we&#39;ve now got two good flyhalf options now that Larkham has retired. Unfortunately we didn&#39;t have any backups when he was around. :wacko:

eoino
05-06-08, 01:35 PM
Wallace in the centre is crazy. No way will he do anything usefull for Ireland. His tackeling is diabolical. But I still think It should be a tough game, new zealand maybe to pull it off in the first half, Ireland should turn it up in the second but it will be down to the wire. Then again, some rain, then who knows.

el_tk
05-06-08, 02:40 PM
At international level Wallace has more of a chance of being a 12 than a 10. If one does get injured the best bet would probably be to throw Murphy into the centre at 13 with BOD at 12 and wait for it to go spectacularly right or spectacularly wrong

shazbooger
05-06-08, 02:46 PM
We do have a backup for O&#39;Gara, Mr Sexton is coming through the Leinster ranks quite nicely thank you very much.

As for Wallace, all I know is that he aint an international outhalf. I&#39;m pretty sure he aint an international centre but I presume that will be confirmed on Saturday. I dont know if Fitzgeralds absence could be defined as a loss of any kind, but weve gone from the unknown with potential, to the known who failed to meet his potential. A possible liability in the centre to a probable liability in the centre.

Either way its not good, but its not a disaster either. We&#39;ve been lucky on the injury front as only D&#39;Arcy, Quinlan and Fitzgerald have been ruled out from selection.

shtove
05-06-08, 03:50 PM
Strong Ireland team. Pity about Fitzgerald, but there&#39;s a lot of experience in there and that may be our trump card.

Haven&#39;t watched S14 this year, so some of the AB players are a mystery to me.

errlloyd
05-06-08, 10:45 PM
Wallace has had two starts for Ireland, Pacific Islanders and Barbarians. In both he seemed to perform well, in the Pacific Islanders game he came 2 points off the all time Ireland point scored in one match record with 26.

Do we underrate him, or is he actually bad.

loratadine
06-06-08, 10:25 AM
new zealand 60
irealand 6

errlloyd
06-06-08, 11:19 AM
Thats a point, what channel(s) is/are showing it?

Incredible Schalk
06-06-08, 11:37 AM
In Britain its 8am, i think there will be a very short build up and it will be on about 5 past. Its on sky sports, not sure which one though.

eoino
06-06-08, 12:15 PM
new zealand 60
irealand 6 [/b]

...now thats called being silly! :bravo:

It starts at 8.25, TV Stations, im not so sure of! I dont live up here* long enough during the year to care!

*Northen Hemisphere.

errlloyd
06-06-08, 01:50 PM
Ahh Sky Sports is a problem, any Nz Channels I am likely to get online....

Incredible Schalk
06-06-08, 04:06 PM
what is that site where you can supposedly watch tv online? media something.. <_<

errlloyd
06-06-08, 05:40 PM
I use a program called tv ants, get me eurosport and setanta. Those channels are free to air so its not illegal....


Tv Ants Main website (http://tvants.en.softonic.com/)



Tv Ants Direct Download Link (http://www.tvants.com/download/tvantssetup.exe)

errlloyd
07-06-08, 08:00 AM
Wallace has had two starts for Ireland, Pacific Islanders and Barbarians. In both he seemed to perform well, in the Pacific Islanders game he came 2 points off the all time Ireland point scored in one match record with 26.

Do we underrate him, or is he actually bad.
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20 minutes - hmm cough cough

Gavin
07-06-08, 08:07 AM
<div class='quotemain'>
Wallace has had two starts for Ireland, Pacific Islanders and Barbarians. In both he seemed to perform well, in the Pacific Islanders game he came 2 points off the all time Ireland point scored in one match record with 26.

Do we underrate him, or is he actually bad.
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20 minutes - hmm cough cough [/b][/quote]

He is actually bad for international level. Anyone could have scored that try, all he had to do was run at Sivi&#39;s arm. Sivi was already off-balance and the line provided by O&#39;Gara was fantastic.

Bullitt
07-06-08, 08:09 AM
Speak of the devil and he gifts the ABs 3 points.

Gavin
07-06-08, 08:19 AM
Speak of the devil and he gifts the ABs 3 points. [/b] Maybe not gifts as Carter is playing total rubbish.

noikz
07-06-08, 08:34 AM
I think the Toulon finance director might be calling the bank to cancel that 500k cheque later today. :P

nam97
07-06-08, 08:42 AM
I think the Toulon finance director might be calling the bank to cancel that 500k cheque later today. :P
[/b]

Reckon, he&#39;s having a nightmare.

LOL at Smith (the slowest center in the world) burning O&#39;Driscoll for that first try.

Prestwick
07-06-08, 08:52 AM
Sounds like a pitched battle out there, stuck with the text feed at work!

Two questions:

1. What are the chances of Ireland trying for a DG if it gets to the last five minutes at 11-11?
2. What are the chances of the ABs going for a DG in the same situation? :D

Bullitt
07-06-08, 08:59 AM
<div class='quotemain'> Speak of the devil and he gifts the ABs 3 points. [/b] Maybe not gifts as Carter is playing total rubbish.

[/b][/quote]

No, it definately went over.

Gavin
07-06-08, 08:59 AM
Try for New Zealand. Ireland 11 vs 21 New Zealand

Made by Cater, finished off by Nonu with Schwalger as the link. Wouldn&#39;t be surprised if the All Blacks start to pull away now as Dan is beginning to stretch the strings.

Prestwick
07-06-08, 09:23 AM
Full Time: New Zealand 21 - Ireland 11.

Not exactly the best of starts for New Zealand but it sounds like Carter gradually improved as the game wore on.

If Cipriani had not suffered that horrific injury, I think England would have fancied their chances next weekend. Ah, what if, what if, what if...

errlloyd
07-06-08, 09:27 AM
Lineout was appalling, other then that it could have been worse.

Interesting that O Driscol says it was the coldest he has ever played in.

Prestwick
07-06-08, 09:35 AM
Yeah, the usually indestructible line out imploded...

esoj
07-06-08, 09:42 AM
bit scrappy but an all black win all the same. they played well into the wind to go in 8-8 at halftime. ireland to their credit never gave up but just didn&#39;t have enough to consistently break down the abs defense. carter slightly off night but with the wind at his back was a changed man in the second half.

all blacks were woeful in retaining the ball from kicks offs I think they got 1 clean one all night. I don&#39;t think so&#39;oailo is a 6 at all and I would be surprised if he wasn&#39;t back at no8 next week.

finally ref was very ordinary tonight. made some strange calls throughout the game and some blatantly should have gone in the other direction for both teams.

I thought smith was meant to be slow seemed like he had plenty of pace in setting up the try for sivi.

ozzy
07-06-08, 09:42 AM
I wish Chris White was banned from international tests, he is a joke.
Good start from the All Blacks in horrific conditions, which always act as a great equaliser in these games. I felt really sorry for Tuitavake having to debut in weather like that, it was never going to be a winger&#39;s night nor any other back for that matter. Here&#39;s hoping they give him another chance to show his stuff.

Prestwick
07-06-08, 09:57 AM
Whats more important is how Australia and South Africa are viewing all of this in preparation for the Tri Nations?

Via a television I think!

feicarsinn
07-06-08, 10:04 AM
my irish player ratings:
Horan Minus 10- complete Stupidity turned the tide with that penalty - :censored: idiot!!!

Flannery 1/10- his throwing was woeful worse then anything Jackman has done- did nothing in the loose

Hayes 6/10- One great turnover- did ok in loose

DOC 5/10 - worked hard in the loose but again poor in Lineout but mainly down to throwing

POC 7/10- probally the best of the Irish pack got turned over once but not the only one

Leamy 6/10 - Did ok good fringe defence did not get much go forward

Wallace 6/10 - on the backfoot most of the game outplayed by mccaw a few good carries

Heaslip 5/10 - did OK in the loose was getting ball on backfoot - did as well as Kaino

Reddan 3/10 - poor passing, so slow at times clearing the bball

ROG 5/10- better kicking then Carter but bad missed tackle on Carter

Wallace 6/10 - got whacked early on but did OK defensively and took his try well

BOD 4/10- got caught out for 1st try no impact ball in hand

Bowe 4/10- Did ok bar one mess up in first half

Horgan 4/10- couple of dropped balls- took ball in ok

Kearney 7/10 - Irelands best back looked a threat ball in hand and some lovelly kicks in no space, nearly cost us a try but did well overall

Subs
Buckley 6/10 did well when came on - scrum was not much worse - maybe start him next week for Horan
Best 6/10 - Lineout improved a bit when came on and did more around the pitch has to start next game
Other subs not on long enough to rate

Steve-o
07-06-08, 10:06 AM
Not too bad by the All Blacks it&#39;s their 1st Test since the WC, I was expecting the Irish pack to be a bit more dominating in this type of weather but NZ were fantastic at the break down. The Irish backline has alot of the potential imo, although I don&#39;t really rate their wingers too much, hopefully we&#39;ll see more from them with this new coach.

Incredible Schalk
07-06-08, 10:14 AM
<div class='quotemain'>
I think the Toulon finance director might be calling the bank to cancel that 500k cheque later today. :P
[/b]

Reckon, he&#39;s having a nightmare.

LOL at Smith (the slowest center in the world) burning O&#39;Driscoll for that first try.
[/b][/quote]

Yes, once again it proves how overated O&#39;Driscoll is, he lives off a 5 year old repuation. I mean owned by Smith for pace :lol2tn:

Pretty dissapointing conditions, which played as a leveller, Ireland did well to get a try which England probably wont and they were in it at half time. Thought McCaw was awesome, despite what people say about Habana he is not on Richie&#39;s level imo and thats from a Springbok fan.

MunsterMan
07-06-08, 10:25 AM
I have no real complaints about the performance (other than Chris White&#39;s but hey whats new) Horan&#39;s mistake was stupid even if he had just been elbowed in the face, it was coming though after Pelous&#39; similar incident in the final. Line out was shocking. Apart from a handful from Fla, and one from Best the throwing was terrible. Horgan needs to learn how to catch the ball, his technique was terrible. Reddan was terrible but Stringer had a surprisingly good impact off the bench, seeing as TO&#39;L is in Canada he should start against Australia. Buckley was superb, did OK in the scrum and was a real presence in the loose. Say what you will about Smith v O&#39;Driscoll but the fact is Ireland should have a penalty at the breakdown before that try. White :wall:

errlloyd
07-06-08, 10:36 AM
Highlights as I find them,

Haka

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Svivatu Try

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Wallace

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Nonu lucky it was wet...

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eoino
07-06-08, 10:51 AM
Not a great game from both teams, the weather was to play a major deceider I think. Also remember, the Irish are only after comming off a whopper plain flight and straight into training... I think it will be a different game against the Ozzies. New Zealand, back after the WC and not looking bad, if there was another fixture between the two next week, it could easily go the other way.

Aslo (Sorry for the double post), Just watched the last trty... look at the way he slides over the line. So, the rain didnt help Ireland (Like for some reason everyone thinks it always does??) It helped the ABs lol!

Bullitt
07-06-08, 10:55 AM
From my point of view, a rubbish Ireland side were contained by a rubbish Half-Blacks side (you see what I did there?). The weather didn&#39;t help anyone, but both side should hang their heads after those ****-poor performances.

And everyone ripping Chris White really should give it a rest, none of his missed calls directly affected the result and he had an overall good game. After the Barnes incident, none of us care about referee bleaters anyway.



Nonu lucky it was wet...[/b]

Because no other player would ever use those conditions to their advantage, Sivivatu for example.

Nonu hates the rain anyway... It smudges his mascara.

Incredible Schalk
07-06-08, 11:01 AM
Say what you will about Smith v O&#39;Driscoll but the fact is Ireland should have a penalty at the breakdown before that try. White :wall:
[/b]

Yes but it evened itself out, there was a clear knock on by Buckley right in fron of the ref he waved it away and gave Ireland a penalty. He was pretty crap in general but didnt have much outcome on the game.

Have to say the two All Black tries were beautiful.



From my point of view, a rubbish Ireland side were contained by a rubbish Half-Blacks side (you see what I did there?). The weather didn&#39;t help anyone, but both side should hang their heads after those ****-poor performances.

<div class='quotemain'>
Nonu lucky it was wet...[/b]

Because no other player would ever use those conditions to their advantage, Sivivatu for example.

Nonu hates the rain anyway... It smudges his mascara.
[/b][/quote]

What rubbish, that was some of the worst conditions ever seen on a rugby pitch, i was amazed how few handling errors there were. I thought both teams played the conditions pretty well, no other team would have done any better.

eoino
07-06-08, 11:07 AM
"I was amazed how few handling errors there were. I thought both teams played the conditions pretty well, no other team would have done any better."

Perfectly said. Thank you.

Some people that play rugby will understand that when you play in extreme conditions like that, and play like they did, you know not to heavily critisize "poor quality" because even though it was a poor game, it was to of the best sides in the world at the moment so how could any other two possibly play any better?

jawmalawm24
07-06-08, 11:11 AM
Yeah was a pretty boring game to be honest I was nearly falling asleep at da pub. Not much running from either team it was more of a forward dominated game and just a load of kicking.

Poor conditions to play in so can&#39;t really blame the players for an average game.

Prestwick
07-06-08, 11:21 AM
Yeah was a pretty boring game to be honest I was nearly falling asleep at da pub. Not much running from either team it was more of a forward dominated game and just a load of kicking.

Poor conditions to play in so can&#39;t really blame the players for an average game.

[/b]

The ELVs would have solved those weather problems...

esoj
07-06-08, 11:48 AM
And everyone ripping Chris White really should give it a rest, none of his missed calls directly affected the result and he had an overall good game. After the Barnes incident, none of us care about referee bleaters anyway.
[/b]

he had a very average game. he was at times watching a different game to everyone else. I enjoy rugby and I want everyone to peform to their best and this includes the officials. I find it concerning that a fellow rugby fan can just gloss over such an average reffing display like we saw in this match.

errlloyd
07-06-08, 11:55 AM
Steve Walsh worries me more, spose none of you Kiwi&#39;s have that problem...

esoj
07-06-08, 12:06 PM
Steve Walsh worries me more, spose none of you Kiwi&#39;s have that problem... [/b]

not at international level :P

ok he had some shockers in the super 14 this year but I don&#39;t think he was the worst going around in that competition. stuart dickenson had some really ordinary games and a few of the south african ones were just hopeless almost every game they reffed.


<div class='quotemain'> Yeah was a pretty boring game to be honest I was nearly falling asleep at da pub. Not much running from either team it was more of a forward dominated game and just a load of kicking.

Poor conditions to play in so can&#39;t really blame the players for an average game.

[/b]

The ELVs would have solved those weather problems...
[/b][/quote]

not with the form chris white was in tonight.

Prestwick
07-06-08, 12:07 PM
Steve Walsh worries me more, spose none of you Kiwi&#39;s have that problem... [/b]

Steve Walsh has a rather worrying tendency to get way too flustered which leads to him snapping rather unneccessarily at both Captains and touch judges...that and prance about like a fairy...





The ELVs would have solved those weather problems...
[/b]

not with the form chris white was in tonight.
[/b]

The ELVs would have solved those annoying refereeing problems...

nam97
07-06-08, 12:23 PM
From my point of view, a rubbish Ireland side were contained by a rubbish Half-Blacks side (you see what I did there?).
[/b]

No, I can&#39;t see what you did there. Maybe you could explain it to me?

Prestwick
07-06-08, 12:37 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
From my point of view, a rubbish Ireland side were contained by a rubbish Half-Blacks side (you see what I did there?).
[/b]

No, I can&#39;t see what you did there. Maybe you could explain it to me?
[/b][/quote]

Well..

http://www.math.montana.edu/frankw/ccp/cases/newton/tceqn4.gif

So there you go!

nam97
07-06-08, 01:44 PM
<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'>
From my point of view, a rubbish Ireland side were contained by a rubbish Half-Blacks side (you see what I did there?).
[/b]

No, I can&#39;t see what you did there. Maybe you could explain it to me?
[/b][/quote]

Well..

http://www.math.montana.edu/frankw/ccp/cases/newton/tceqn4.gif

So there you go!
[/b][/quote]

AHAH! I see, I see.

Need to brush up on my integration of trig functions. Damn you sine, damn you.

candybum
07-06-08, 01:50 PM
Just wondering, theres not a single Maori in the team that can lead the haka? i mean Kevs a samoan... can&#39;t Leon &#39;Rangi&#39; McDonald lead it? lol

Anyways, i felt O Driscolls pain when he was talking after the match and he was just quivering! Its been heka cold lately in NZ, must&#39;ve sucked playing in those conditions!

However both teams grounded it out and top marks to that.

It was still a good game to watch i thought despite the conditions, the tries that were scored were top notch! lol Conrad you beauty.

Hope Tuitavake gets another chance next week ay, it wasn&#39;t fair on him stupid rain lol

paretrooper
07-06-08, 09:57 PM
good first up win in crap weather.at least the test was played in bitterly cold rain my grade had to play in
a good dump of snow about 4 hour before that front hit wellington lol.

Gay-Guy
08-06-08, 01:43 AM
I thought both teams played EXTREMELY WELL!!!

Freezing weather....rain, wind....it is all set up for continuous handling errors. However both teams suprisingly passed, caught, and offloaded quite well.

The defence from both teams was incredible. The AB&#39;s only made two clean line breaks in the whole game....which resulte in two tries. The Irish made one break which was their try. Apart from that both teams would not allow the other a decent break despite both teams attacking with continuous phases.

Both teams used the wind well and kicked for territory excellently. They also managed to kick INTO the wind and find space well.

Some individuals played well above expectations (Thorne, Smith, Tialata, Horgan) while others failed to fire (Muliaina, O&#39;Driscoll, O,Donnell) while others were their usual self (Carter, McCaw, O&#39;Gara).

The Irish players who missed those crucial tackles on Smith and Carter were not wholly at fault as there are 14 other AB&#39;s who need to watched. BOD had to keep an eye on Mils when Smith was making his break. The AB&#39;s were too slow responding to the backdoor runs of the Irish when they scored their try because the threat of the openside was very real with BOD standing there. So those breaches in defence were only because the defence had little options left rather than flimsy tackling.

nam97
08-06-08, 04:55 AM
Considering the conditions, our backline did show some great signs. Nonu and Smith look the part, I hope Henry doesn&#39;t split them up each week.

Kaino didn&#39;t really have a chance to shine and I reckon Rodders will go back to 8 next week &#39;cos in no way is he a 6. I&#39;d like to see Thompson get a shot in the 6 jersey against England next week.

devilrrr
08-06-08, 07:12 AM
Thought the effort was a good one from the AB&#39;s first up. Ireland&#39;s defence was great and made it a good test if not a great spectacle. It was never going to be a great spectacle with the weather, should be a better one next week against the English hopefully.

Gay-Guy
08-06-08, 08:25 AM
Unless it rains again....I hope not...we have tickets!!!!

Prestwick
08-06-08, 08:27 AM
Cheer up mate, I&#39;ll be alright, booked a table with a telly at an Irish bar in Vegas!

Gay-Guy
08-06-08, 08:30 AM
Haha....in Vegas? Will anyone else be watching?

Prestwick
08-06-08, 08:34 AM
I&#39;m going to be there as part of a convention of like minded chic-geeks and I&#39;ve been put in charge of organising "Rugby Night".

We kick off at 12:30am for the England game and finish at about 9am after the 2nd Wales game.

24 Hour Family run Irish bar + Telly + Rugby + Beer + Full "irish" at 3am = happiness.

Incredible Schalk
08-06-08, 09:30 AM
So&#39;oialo was immense at 6, he should be retained there. Kaino carried quite well but in these conditions its all about ball presentation, i hope they keep him for next week and then use Lauaki.

Prestwick
08-06-08, 10:40 AM
How many of the match day XV for New Zealand starred in the NZ Maori in the Churchill Cup Final last year?

If you think about it, this could well end up as a re-run of the Churchill Cup final!

Gay-Guy
08-06-08, 01:44 PM
How many of the match day XV for New Zealand starred in the NZ Maori in the Churchill Cup Final last year?

If you think about it, this could well end up as a re-run of the Churchill Cup final! [/b]

Ummmm...none of them.

Nobody from the 26 players from last years Maori Churchill Cup squad has ever put on an All Black jersey or made the reserves. The NZ Maori team is a Maori squad of players who can&#39;t make the AB&#39;s or the Junior AB&#39;s squads. Some of them would not make a 3rd or 4th AB team as there would be non Maori standing in the way.

This will simply be a rerun of the last time England toured here where England played badly and NZ introduced new raw talent (who have sinced decided to go overseas :lol: ).

errlloyd
08-06-08, 11:40 PM
Ireland scoring a try. Deserves a Gif

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