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Incredible Schalk
07-06-08, 06:07 AM
Well there's been very little build up but the game starts just after 7 tonight. Dan Parks is still the flyhalf so it will no doubt be a lame attacking game from Scotland with a few new caps.

Of course the Pumas are missing a few of their best players who werent released by the French clubsider like Corletto and Hernanadez but in their first game under Phelan will still be very tough to beat.Games between the two, only Scotlands 46 point win in 1990 has there been siginficant daylight between the sides.

My prediction a close game with Evans scoring on debut to nick it at the end.






Scotland: 15 Chris Paterson, 14 Simon Danielli, 13 Ben Cairns, 12 Graeme Morrison, 11 Thom Evans, 10 Dan Parks, 9 Mike Blair ©,

8 Allister Hogg, 7 Johnnie Beattie, 6 Alasdair Strokosch, 5 Scott MacLeod, 4 Matt Mustchin, 3 Euan Murray, 2 Ross Ford, 1 Allan Jacobsen.

Replacements: 16 Dougie Hall, 17 Allister Dickinson, 18 Alastair Kellock, 19 Kelly Brown, 20 Rory Lawson, 21 Phil Godman, 22 Simon Webster.


Argentina: 15 Bernardo Stortoni, 14 José María Núñez Piossek, 13 Gonzalo Tiesi, 12 Felipe Contepomi ©, 11 Tomás De Vedia, 10 Federico Todeschini, 9 Nicolás Vergallo, 8 Juan Manuel Leguizamón, 7 Juan Fernández Lobbe, 6 Martín Durand, 5 Esteban Lozada, 4 Ignacio Fernández Lobbe, 3 Santiago González Bonorino, 2 Álvaro Tejeda, 1 Marcos Ayerza.

Replacements: 16 Pablo Gambarini, 17 Juan Gómez, 18 James Stuart, 19 Alejandro Campos, 20 Alfredo Lalanne, 21 Santiago Fernández, 22 Hernán Senillosa.

munross
07-06-08, 08:09 AM
Argentina to win this game by at least 15 points.

Go Los Pumas!

Incredible Schalk
07-06-08, 11:36 AM
Argentina to win this game by at least 15 points.

Go Los Pumas!
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why do so many people like the Puma&#39;s? very dirty players <_<

dundeesmiffy
07-06-08, 12:21 PM
Let&#39;s just say I was to accidentally stumble across a live feed from Argentina on the internet of this game.
Is there any place that I would be more than likely to do so, let say....hypothetically?

rodri_arg91
07-06-08, 03:45 PM
why do so many people like the Puma&#39;s? very dirty players <_<
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Why do you call us very dirty players? I&#39;m not offended, but just curious to see different points of view.
regards from argentina, and good luck

munross
07-06-08, 07:44 PM
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Argentina to win this game by at least 15 points.

Go Los Pumas!
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why do so many people like the Puma&#39;s? very dirty players <_<
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I&#39;ve always liked Argentina,since I was a little boy!

They might have one or two "dirty" players in their team but then again which team doesn&#39;t?And after kicking france&#39;s ass twice in the RWC 2007 in France and being 3rd on the IRB ranking I think lots of teams should start giving them the respect that they have earned :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

Just look at all the great players that they have produced, the Contepomi brothers,Hasan,Ledesma,Hernandez,Pichot ect ect...the list goes on!

And the biggest reason why I like them is because every time they play,they play with LOTS of passion and heart,cheez just look when they won france the 1st(and 2nd :P ) time in the RWC 07 they went completely nutz as if they won the World Cup! :D

william1024
07-06-08, 08:04 PM
watching the game on mediazon just now.
scotland attacking through the middle and getting stopped.
cairns and evans havent really done much
the defence i must say has been a lot more impressive.
and paterson misses pen from 5m touch line on the left. it had to happen
10-9

Incredible Schalk
07-06-08, 08:22 PM
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why do so many people like the Puma&#39;s? very dirty players <_<
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Why do you call us very dirty players? I&#39;m not offended, but just curious to see different points of view.
regards from argentina, and good luck
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Was meant to be tongue in cheek, wrong smiley i take it. <_<

Anyway i tried to buy the game on mediazone after the kickoff on mediazone but it wouldnt let me. So just living off crappy BBC updates, doesnt sound to bad so far.

crispy
07-06-08, 08:30 PM
Argentina are so good at the breakdown, they&#39;ve got 5 or 6 turnovers now, Mike Blair can&#39;t be enjoying this.

munross
07-06-08, 08:54 PM
Try for Argentina!!!21 - 15 full time.Argentina win

william1024
07-06-08, 08:57 PM
scotland cant finish a game out, after conceding the penalty they did not break the gain line once.
was an improement thought

rodri_arg91
07-06-08, 09:27 PM
Was meant to be tongue in cheek, wrong smiley i take it. <_<

Anyway i tried to buy the game on mediazone after the kickoff on mediazone but it wouldnt let me. So just living off crappy BBC updates, doesnt sound to bad so far.
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Oh, sorry then, i guess i had not understood your comment mate.. ;)

It was a very tough game, Scotland played with a very good kicking strategy, and a good perfomance of Parks.
I thought that the match was gonna be broadcasted on the television around the world. you had to watch it on mediazone??
cheers

VAMOS ARGENTINA!

silent_shadow
07-06-08, 09:35 PM
Looked a bit scrappy at times, but it was a pretty tense game from what I saw. England should be happy they didn&#39;t have a game today what with Ireland, Wales and Scotland all losing.

Incredible Schalk
07-06-08, 09:52 PM
Looked a bit scrappy at times, but it was a pretty tense game from what I saw. England should be happy they didn&#39;t have a game today what with Ireland, Wales and Scotland all losing.
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To be honest Scotland were the only team with a chance, Wales and Ireland were playing the two standout sides in world rugby.

Didnt surprise me to see us fail to close it out, as long as we have Hadden this losing mentality will continue. His idea of a good 6 nations is beating England and a good world cup beating Italy, not good enough as there are actually some quality players in Scotland.



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Was meant to be tongue in cheek, wrong smiley i take it. <_<

Anyway i tried to buy the game on mediazone after the kickoff on mediazone but it wouldnt let me. So just living off crappy BBC updates, doesnt sound to bad so far.
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Oh, sorry then, i guess i had not understood your comment mate.. ;)

It was a very tough game, Scotland played with a very good kicking strategy, and a good perfomance of Parks.
I thought that the match was gonna be broadcasted on the television around the world. you had to watch it on mediazone??
cheers

VAMOS ARGENTINA!
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Yea unfortunately sky decided to show the rubbishy Churchill cup insteas, congrats to the Pumas it was always going to be tough even with Argentina missing some top names. For those who saw it live, was it a fair reflection of the game?

Sir Speedy
07-06-08, 10:17 PM
Yea unfortunately sky decided to show the rubbishy Churchill cup instead
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I beg your pardon!
Did you not know that the England Saxons were playing today? You know? The England A team is a far more important game than, hehe, a Scottish International, *snigger*.
I daresay that I will report your ignorant and un-educated attitude to Stuart Barnes, Dewi Morris and the whole Sky Sports company if you do not retract than moronic statement!







:bleh!:

Cymro
07-06-08, 10:37 PM
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Looked a bit scrappy at times, but it was a pretty tense game from what I saw. England should be happy they didn&#39;t have a game today what with Ireland, Wales and Scotland all losing.
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To be honest Scotland were the only team with a chance, Wales and Ireland were playing the two standout sides in world rugby.

Didnt surprise me to see us fail to close it out, as long as we have Hadden this losing mentality will continue. His idea of a good 6 nations is beating England and a good world cup beating Italy, not good enough as there are actually some quality players in Scotland.



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Was meant to be tongue in cheek, wrong smiley i take it. <_<

Anyway i tried to buy the game on mediazone after the kickoff on mediazone but it wouldnt let me. So just living off crappy BBC updates, doesnt sound to bad so far.
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Oh, sorry then, i guess i had not understood your comment mate.. ;)

It was a very tough game, Scotland played with a very good kicking strategy, and a good perfomance of Parks.
I thought that the match was gonna be broadcasted on the television around the world. you had to watch it on mediazone??
cheers

VAMOS ARGENTINA!
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Yea unfortunately sky decided to show the rubbishy Churchill cup insteas, congrats to the Pumas it was always going to be tough even with Argentina missing some top names. For those who saw it live, was it a fair reflection of the game? [/b][/quote]

Im sorry but it could well be that Argentina did not want to sell the tv rights to the game / no one was interested in buying the rights!

At the end of the day an option of purchasing was available online but to be honest I enjoyed the rugby that was played in the Churchill Cup!

dundeesmiffy
08-06-08, 12:27 AM
I caught this game....illegally I might add.
Really good game, even if a little scrappy, Argentina deserved the win but I think it was the best game Scotland have played in a long time, tactically.

Prestwick
08-06-08, 07:55 AM
The new infusion from the new coaches and players seems to have stepped up Scotland a gear. At least they went looking for a try at the end.

Seems like both sides have stepped up, Argentina are the more startling considering the number of players still in (scumbag) France.

Incredible Schalk
08-06-08, 09:25 AM
We really needed that win, as we are duffing around in 10th in the world rankings a win last night would have got us to 8th ahead of Ireland and Fiji. Now the second seeding in the world cup will be tough, results are needed immediately starting with a win next weekend.

Prestwick
09-06-08, 04:46 PM
For the record, it seems that ESPN had the coverage of the game. Anyone in Yank-land take note...


EDIT: Also...looking at the highlights and by the size of the stadium and how full it was, the attendence looks suspiciously more than 10,000....

edinburgh_gunner
12-06-08, 02:52 PM
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GOOD TIMES!

Hadden has finally dropped Dan &#39;disaster&#39; Parks! Godman is given his chance and it&#39;s come not a moment too soon! Finally, a positive move towards attacking rugby!!

Quite a number of changes actually

Parks, Danielle, Evans and Beattie out.

Godman in at 10, Southwell at 15, Paterson and Webster to the wings and Barclay at 7.

Hopefully De Luca can come on at 12 at some point, that way we can work with the core of the backline that Edinburgh has played with, and played well with and score some tries. I do prefer Hogg at 8, and I&#39;m glad Mustchin has kept his place.

But kudos to Hadden, he&#39;s finally grown a pair and dropped Parks and, by the looks of it, moving away from this conservative game plan.

Sir Speedy
12-06-08, 02:56 PM
Parks is out? :huh: This won&#39;t go down well with Prestwick. :bana:

edinburgh_gunner
12-06-08, 04:17 PM
We might score a try........



Oh wait....


What&#39;s a try?

Incredible Schalk
13-06-08, 02:11 PM
I have to say i dont trust Godman either but atleast he knows how to go at the line. The horror memories of Italy in 2007 will always make me a bit apprehensive when it comes to Godman. I think we can win and this time i think we will.

danny
13-06-08, 03:02 PM
Good luck to Scotland but Ive got the feeling they will come up short again. If they score a try it may be a moral victory considering their difficulty in that department lately

edinburgh_gunner
13-06-08, 03:48 PM
To be fair to Godman, it may have been down to tbactics. Kicking over a rush defence can be risky, and maybe he didn&#39;t have the experience or the kicking game to do that back then. He does now, certainly at a club level. Mind you, Parks is good at a club level but total murder at international....

But Godman has been brought in cause he&#39;s creative, got a bit of pace and excellent distrubution. He takes it up flat to the defensive line, and that might help Morrison a bit and certainly it&#39;ll bring Cairns into play a bit more than last week. I think we&#39;ll see a bit more creative and attacking from Scotland given the choices FH has made.

SimonTaylor
14-06-08, 09:22 AM
Really hope Godman steps up 2night. Pumas are ripe for the taking

imho...

Will
14-06-08, 02:08 PM
But kudos to Hadden, he&#39;s finally grown a pair and dropped Parks and, by the looks of it, moving away from this conservative game plan. [/b]

I think he has to, as I think he&#39;s well aware that his job is on the line with these two tests and the upcoming games against the Boks and All Blacks later this year.

crispy
14-06-08, 08:05 PM
Scotland are up 16-0 at h/t, Barclay is gobbling up turnover ball, Godman/Morrison/Cairns are creating opportunities, Paterson is back to his metronomic best. Where the hell was this team in the 6N?

crispy
14-06-08, 08:38 PM
ahahaha Parks with the interception, that&#39;s pretty ironic.

Incredible Schalk
14-06-08, 09:14 PM
So dissapointing to leak that try at the end costing us the vital top 8 ranking. However great stuff otherwise, this is our best away win for year. 26-14, scored a couple of tries and the Pumas fans were totally silent. Pity we couldnt win last week, but an aggregate series win will do. :D

Incredible Schalk
14-06-08, 10:14 PM
stupid rugby world, cant even put the right score up, anything to put Scotland down..

rodri_arg91
14-06-08, 11:08 PM
I was there in the match today. Argentina didn&#39;t play good at all, and to tell the truth the ref was a son of a bitch...
Scotland played a good game, making a really good use of their penalties with Paterson. However, if Borges had scored that try he missed (after which came Parks&#39; interception) everything would have been different.
Not sure if the best team won, but congrutulations scotland, you won fairly.

PS: The Pumas fans were never silent by the way, we kept on cheering and shouting, supporting our team till the end! As usual, as good latins ;)

BLR
15-06-08, 07:08 AM
Very happy Scotland got the Win, all the &#39;good guys&#39; won this weekend I see. :D

edinburgh_gunner
15-06-08, 12:52 PM
I think after last week, no Argentine can complain about reffing decisions.

But good to see a win, and a couple tries being scored. Would like to see us keeping that backline from now one. It&#39;s creative, fast and exploits gaps and oppurtunites.

Ironically, I think Parks may have saved his international career. He came on, and, interception aside, played a good game in that he played to his strenght of kicking. Godman is what we want for the first hour or so, then if we&#39;re ahead i think we should be bringing Parks on to close out the game with his long kicking.

We&#39;ve probably slipped in the seedings, but hey, it&#39;s 3 years to the next world cup so let&#39;s put the hard work in and then the seedings won&#39;t matter.

Maccaweeny
15-06-08, 03:55 PM
I remember watching some rugby show on the teevo (forget which show) and they had some Irish sports journalist on spouting some ********. He was going over the NH&#39;s chances in last week&#39;s tests, and when the host pointed out he forgot Scotland he gave a reply along the lines off "oh it&#39;s a given they&#39;ll lose, no winning in Buenos Aires".

Good to see one of the smaller NH teams actually come south and pulling off a win.

Sir Speedy
15-06-08, 04:26 PM
Nice to see Scotland get a win away from home; especially against Argentina. Good to see at least two NH teams come away with their reputation enhanced. :D

Incredible Schalk
15-06-08, 05:55 PM
Nice to see Scotland get a win away from home; especially against Argentina. Good to see at least two NH teams come away with their reputation enhanced. :D
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Indeed B)

Although have to say Ireland have done pretty well, much better than the 6 nations.

Sir Speedy
15-06-08, 05:59 PM
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Nice to see Scotland get a win away from home; especially against Argentina. Good to see at least two NH teams come away with their reputation enhanced. :D
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Indeed B)

Although have to say Ireland have done pretty well, much better than the 6 nations.
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Oh no doubt. They still should have won though imo. They came so close but their handling was abysmal! At least they&#39;ll have a chance to redeem themselves in the Autumn; I don&#39;t think the NH has much to fear, especially with home advantage. :ph34r:

cyRil
21-11-08, 10:10 AM
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Indeed B)

Although have to say Ireland have done pretty well, much better than the 6 nations.
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Oh no doubt. They still should have won though imo. They came so close but their handling was abysmal! At least they&#39;ll have a chance to redeem themselves in the Autumn; I don&#39;t think the NH has much to fear, especially with home advantage. :ph34r:
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You dosey sod! Why&#39;d you have to go and say something like that?!

cyRil
21-11-08, 02:36 PM
Btw, are the Scots playing Canada tonight, and is it on tv?