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Mr.cyclopede
22-06-08, 03:49 PM
So no surprise and hold up from Perpignan and Paris who were both dominated by the two leaders who played just (which was not always the case in the previous final phases, that sometimes cost them).

So on the paper, the best headline that it can be, and I think it will keep its promises.

On one side, Clermont. It's not their first final, and some fans are maybe already hunting ghosts that made them leave the title all the times before !!!
But 2 changes have to be noticed, it's that second time in two years they reach this level of competion, it's not by chance; and their ability to adapt their game to the stake and the opposition. The second is to be credited to Vern Cotter IMO, who seems to be the man who made them mature.

On the other, Toulouse, faithfull amongst the faithfull, wich incredibly reach this level despite the hard desapointment of the Hcup, and a list of injuries longer than the numbers of articles of the European Constitution projects !
Many people (me first) didn't believe them be able to get back on their feet so quickly

Sir Speedy
22-06-08, 05:45 PM
Clermont probably have the advantage psychologically after their win away from home this season. I'd say they're better than Toulouse anyway, but do they have the composure to perform as they've done all season in the final? Should be a cracker!

Stillknox
22-06-08, 06:59 PM
I'm cheering for Stade Français (nobody's perfect) but I have to admit, this is the 'dream final'. Clermont seems to have a hudge advantage (one more day of rest, no injuries, a shorter season) but as always Toulouse will not give up....

But Paris had a plenty of tries occasions in first half this afternoon (especielly the Parisse's one...) fortunately for Toulouse they were really awkward and pointless. This will not be so 'easy' versus Clermont, a team who's lot more mature in his game. And Elissalde will certainly be out for the final... so who will play at fly half ? Du Toit does not seems to be in great form, Courrent is apart of the squad since the annoucement of his departure to Biarritz. So... Jauzion ?

To me Clermont's chance are 60/40. And by the way, great game by Medard and Jauzion ! Plus Nalaga, Heymans, Rougerie, James... this could be an explosive final.

Gavin
22-06-08, 08:36 PM
Can't see Clermont losing the final. It is their 9th final (I think) and they have been the best team in the Top14 all season. They were unlucky to not qualify for the knockout stages of the Heinken Cup and I feel they have the desire to win this league.

Mr.cyclopede
22-06-08, 08:57 PM
Think of Clermont too, mainly because they have now maturity, what they missed in the finals before (maybe a bit of arrogance, wanting to dominate by the game AND the points).
The only mistake they made this year is the "lack of self confidence" they showed while sending a B team where you know in the Hcup pool game.

Like Stillnox, I think also that the team physical states will be important. Especially because the two semi finals played this week end were in very warm and wet weather conditions, for the first time this season. Bodies were not familiar yet and the difference in the day of recuperation before the final is not in favor for Toulouse wich had moreover a heavier calendar.

peppers07
23-06-08, 11:16 AM
Will this game be on eurosport? If not what chanells will it be on. When and what time does it kick of. (I have never watched French top 14 before)

Sir Speedy
23-06-08, 11:20 AM
It's on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.

peppers07
23-06-08, 05:08 PM
It's on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.
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Thanks to bad i dont have eurosport two :(

Stillknox
23-06-08, 05:17 PM
You can watch this in streaming on the internet (I don't know if I can send you the link in here... PM ?) pretty poor quality but this is better than nothing.

MunsterMan
23-06-08, 05:30 PM
It's on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.
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The semi was supposed to be on eurosport aswell but they showed Tennis instead :wall:

camelback
23-06-08, 05:52 PM
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It&#39;s on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.
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The semi was supposed to be on eurosport aswell but they showed Tennis instead :wall:
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Semis were on Eurosport 2 ^^

Mr.cyclopede
23-06-08, 06:04 PM
in France it will be both on Canal+ and France 2
Perhaps F2 might be accessible with via free satellite (astra, hotbird) for people in GB ?

The streming will certainly be on France television website, direct TVOD page (free access).

I personnaly appreciate to be able to watch more and more rugby matches from the other side of the Channel, Canal+ is great for that.

MunsterMan
23-06-08, 08:59 PM
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It&#39;s on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.
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The semi was supposed to be on eurosport aswell but they showed Tennis instead :wall:
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Semis were on Eurosport 2 ^^
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I turned on Euro sport 2 on Saturday and even though the program was labeled as Live French Rugby they were showing men&#39;s tennis. I wasn&#39;t the only one either, many people were complaining about it.

Sir Speedy
23-06-08, 09:06 PM
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It&#39;s on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.
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The semi was supposed to be on eurosport aswell but they showed Tennis instead :wall:
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Semis were on Eurosport 2 ^^
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I turned on Euro sport 2 on Saturday and even though the program was labeled as Live French Rugby they were showing men&#39;s tennis. I wasn&#39;t the only one either, many people were complaining about it.
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I know - I&#39;ve had this problem before! If this happens for the T14 final then an official complaint should be sent to Eurosport because it&#39;s absolutely ridiculous. I can put up with the laughably bad commentating, but if they&#39;re gonna label tennis as "Live French Rugby Championship" then what&#39;s the point of having the rights to the tournament? :ranting:

camelback
24-06-08, 08:00 AM
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It&#39;s on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.
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The semi was supposed to be on eurosport aswell but they showed Tennis instead :wall:
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Semis were on Eurosport 2 ^^
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I turned on Euro sport 2 on Saturday and even though the program was labeled as Live French Rugby they were showing men&#39;s tennis. I wasn&#39;t the only one either, many people were complaining about it.
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Sorry.. the streaming on internet was Eurosport 2 and actually showing the match. But i think it was Néo-Z eurosport 2 .. maybe a difference in each country.

peppers07
24-06-08, 08:41 AM
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It&#39;s on Eurosport2 UK at 7.45pm Great Britain time, Saturday.
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The semi was supposed to be on eurosport aswell but they showed Tennis instead :wall:
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Semis were on Eurosport 2 ^^
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I turned on Euro sport 2 on Saturday and even though the program was labeled as Live French Rugby they were showing men&#39;s tennis. I wasn&#39;t the only one either, many people were complaining about it.
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Ya same for me only i thought it was just a problem with my tv wich always does that

Stillknox
28-06-08, 07:59 PM
Great game so far !

10-10 at half time.

cyRil
28-06-08, 08:24 PM
It&#39;s been brilliant. Medard just scored a wonderful try!

Stillknox
28-06-08, 09:08 PM
So sad for Clermont... but unlike last year, Toulouse was clearly superior. In lineout, scrum & attack... and Rougerie&#39;s was offside on his try by the way. They are by far the best team in France... almost in Europe (;)) and winning the Brennus without a true fly half, without Clerc, Poitrenaud, Nyanga, and with Elissalde on one leg is a great achievement.

Men of the game: Jauzion (he&#39;s back !) Sowerby, Elissalde Servat and Médard for his solidity under the high ball and his wonderful try.

Congrats Toulouse !

cyRil
28-06-08, 09:39 PM
So sad for Clermont... but unlike last year, Toulouse was clearly superior. In lineout, scrum & attack... and Rougerie&#39;s was offside on his try by the way. They are by far the best team in France... almost in Europe (;)) and winning the Brennus without a true fly half, without Clerc, Poitrenaud, Nyanga, and with Elissalde on one leg is a great achievement.

Men of the game: Jauzion (he&#39;s back !) Sowerby, Elissalde Servat and Médard for his solidity under the high ball and his wonderful try.

Congrats Toulouse !
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As a Stade fan that must be difficult for you to say! :P I&#39;d give MOTM to Elissalde or Medard, they were both brilliant, but there were a lot of stand out performances. Special mention to Fabian Pelous!

Stillknox
28-06-08, 09:55 PM
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So sad for Clermont... but unlike last year, Toulouse was clearly superior. In lineout, scrum & attack... and Rougerie&#39;s was offside on his try by the way. They are by far the best team in France... almost in Europe ( ;) ) and winning the Brennus without a true fly half, without Clerc, Poitrenaud, Nyanga, and with Elissalde on one leg is a great achievement.

Men of the game: Jauzion (he&#39;s back !) Sowerby, Elissalde Servat and Médard for his solidity under the high ball and his wonderful try.

Congrats Toulouse !
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As a Stade fan that must be difficult for you to say! :P [/b][/quote]

Sadly I can&#39;t say anything else after a loss by +15 in semi final... :rolleyes:

MunsterMan
29-06-08, 08:53 AM
I wonder where Toulouse learned to close a game out like that :P I can&#39;t wait to hear JB complaining to the newspapers about Toulouse and their pick and go&#39;s during the week.

I feel sorry for Clermont, they have such rotten luck in finals. My respect for Ellisade has gone up highly after it took a tumble after the HEC final. Most Fly Halves wouldn&#39;t have lasted half as long as he did. The Medard try was superb. Excellent from start to finish

Mr.cyclopede
29-06-08, 12:54 PM
Feel sad for Clermont, who clerly missed the K game.

heard before the match a player, don&#39;t remenber his name, who said that TLS was able to deprive any team of ball, what has happened.
After that, small grip in the Clermont&#39;s gear was enough to make them foil.

But true congrats for TLS, what a devotion and strengh for this year, and thanks for the two teams who despite the stake, played 100% their own game and never closed it.

Sir Speedy
29-06-08, 03:33 PM
One of the best games all season. Ellisalde was excellent considering his injury - he was very brave to stay on. And Kelleher, unlike his counterpart, J Marshall, proved he can still mince it at the highest level. Medard was superb all evening and Jauzion, well, my MOTM by some distance (which is saying a lot since every member of the Toulouse backline played out of their skins!) I&#39;m glad Toulouse won, because now that will benefit Sale in Europe next year; Clermont will move Heaven and Earth to win the T14 next season - can anyone tell me why they were so awful last night? I expected them to win by 15+, but Toulouse proved why they are one of the best sides in the World, and by far the most exciting and adventurous team in Europe.

A special mention must go to Eurosport. Once again, they broadcasted the match 10 minutes too late, as my Sky+ recording now ends on the 64th minute; thankfully though, capturing the Medard try, which was one of, if not the, best team tries all season.

hotaie
29-06-08, 05:16 PM
kelleher good playermaker the best player in this final

peppers07
29-06-08, 10:02 PM
Feel sorry for clermont i think its kind of unfaur (though exciting) that the team that tops the table can then lose in the semies or final didnt see the match as i dont have eurosport 2

DonBilly
30-06-08, 05:32 AM
One of the best games all season. Ellisalde was excellent considering his injury - he was very brave to stay on. And Kelleher, unlike his counterpart, J Marshall, proved he can still mince it at the highest level. Medard was superb all evening and Jauzion, well, my MOTM by some distance (which is saying a lot since every member of the Toulouse backline played out of their skins!) I&#39;m glad Toulouse won, because now that will benefit Sale in Europe next year; Clermont will move Heaven and Earth to win the T14 next season - can anyone tell me why they were so awful last night? I expected them to win by 15+, but Toulouse proved why they are one of the best sides in the World, and by far the most exciting and adventurous team in Europe.

A special mention must go to Eurosport. Once again, they broadcasted the match 10 minutes too late, as my Sky+ recording now ends on the 64th minute; thankfully though, capturing the Medard try, which was one of, if not the, best team tries all season. [/b]

Did you notice that Rougerie was off-side at the beginning of the move which led to his try. Similarly there was a knock-on by the Toulousains at the start of the action which was concluded by Médard&#39;s try.

Anyway possibly some of the best Club Rugby played this season. The intensity was of the same magnitude as many test Rugby matches. Anyway when you look to who was playing most of the players have already some caps.

Sir Speedy
30-06-08, 05:59 AM
Did you notice that Rougerie was off-side at the beginning of the move which led to his try. Similarly there was a knock-on by the Toulousains at the start of the action which was concluded by Médard&#39;s try.
[/b]Nope, must have missed that - although I did see the knock-on before Médard&#39;s try. To be fair though, Clermont had two very good oppurtunities to score tries but they messed them up by knock-ons (Benoit Baby did this, I can&#39;t remember when though.)
I&#39;d say Toulouse were the better team on the day, and are better in general. This is proved by the fact they won the game, quite convincingly, while missing Vincent Clerc and Clermont Poitreneau (although Médard would be first choice for me now - ahead of Poitreneau.) I&#39;m afraid if Clermont can&#39;t perform when it really, really matters, then they deserve little sympathy from any fan. They have been dominant all season - just like Gloucester were in the Guinness Premiership, but the pressure of winning the Brennus for the first time was simply too much for them.
That&#39;s two finals in a row that they&#39;ve lost, but I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll come back next year much more determined to win it; and I certainly wouldn&#39;t bet against them being in the final for a third straight year!

DonBilly
30-06-08, 08:21 AM
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Did you notice that Rougerie was off-side at the beginning of the move which led to his try. Similarly there was a knock-on by the Toulousains at the start of the action which was concluded by Médard&#39;s try.
[/b]Nope, must have missed that - although I did see the knock-on before Médard&#39;s try. To be fair though, Clermont had two very good oppurtunities to score tries but they messed them up by knock-ons (Benoit Baby did this, I can&#39;t remember when though.)
I&#39;d say Toulouse were the better team on the day, and are better in general. This is proved by the fact they won the game, quite convincingly, while missing Vincent Clerc and Clermont Poitreneau (although Médard would be first choice for me now - ahead of Poitreneau.) I&#39;m afraid if Clermont can&#39;t perform when it really, really matters, then they deserve little sympathy from any fan. They have been dominant all season - just like Gloucester were in the Guinness Premiership, but the pressure of winning the Brennus for the first time was simply too much for them.
That&#39;s two finals in a row that they&#39;ve lost, but I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll come back next year much more determined to win it; and I certainly wouldn&#39;t bet against them being in the final for a third straight year! [/b][/quote]

This was their ninth final and their ninth defeat. Only the Stade Français had lost so many times the final so far but at least they have won the Brennus shield 13th times.

Gavin
30-06-08, 08:12 PM
Watched the highlights on Eurosport. Toulouse did to Clermont what Munster did to Toulouse in the Heineken Cup Final. Wonder if Ellisade will be complaining again after the pick-and-go tatic they used during the last 10 minutes.

Sir Speedy
30-06-08, 09:44 PM
Watched the highlights on Eurosport. Toulouse did to Clermont what Munster did to Toulouse in the Heineken Cup Final. Wonder if Ellisade will be complaining again after the pick-and-go tatic they used during the last 10 minutes.
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Yep, 75 minutes of absolutely breathtaking rugby was spoilt by a small lull where Toulouse tried to close the game out...in fact, it was even shorter than a 5 minute period. The difference between Munster and Toulouse is that Munster seem intent on playing negative rugby for their gain. I haven&#39;t got a problem with that, because if it works then ok. But you have no right to criticise Toulouse for killing the game over a period that was a fraction of the length that Munster did it in the Heineken Cup Final - it&#39;s really petty and senseless.

Gavin
30-06-08, 09:59 PM
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Watched the highlights on Eurosport. Toulouse did to Clermont what Munster did to Toulouse in the Heineken Cup Final. Wonder if Ellisade will be complaining again after the pick-and-go tatic they used during the last 10 minutes.
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Yep, 75 minutes of absolutely breathtaking rugby was spoilt by a small lull where Toulouse tried to close the game out...in fact, it was even shorter than a 5 minute period. The difference between Munster and Toulouse is that Munster seem intent on playing negative rugby for their gain. I haven&#39;t got a problem with that, because if it works then ok. But you have no right to criticise Toulouse for killing the game over a period that was a fraction of the length that Munster did it in the Heineken Cup Final - it&#39;s really petty and senseless. [/b][/quote]

I wasn&#39;t criticising Toulouse for playing that sort of rugby because that is how you win close matches in the dying minutes.

MunsterMan
30-06-08, 10:34 PM
Servat&#39;s try came after a period of Toulsose pick and go&#39;s aswell.There was definately more than five minutes.

Sir Speedy
30-06-08, 10:41 PM
Servat&#39;s try came after a period of Toulsose pick and go&#39;s aswell.There was definately more than five minutes.
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If you bring those cases into the equation, then you could argue all teams play boring rugby, since all teams have a period where they pick up and go. We&#39;re talking about the &#39;pick up and go&#39; play where the teams sole intention is to close the game out. Toulouse did this for about two minutes...let alone five.

DonBilly
01-07-08, 02:43 AM
Servat&#39;s try came after a period of Toulsose pick and go&#39;s aswell.There was definately more than five minutes. [/b]

There&#39;s a difference in my view when pick and go is performed when attacking a very well defended try line compared to pick and go performed at the centre of the pitch in front of a sparse defence and just intended to win time.

peppers07
01-07-08, 09:13 PM
I didnt see this match so cant comment in that but teams shouldnt be criticed for the way they plat the game you do what it takes to win. Im, sure you wouldnt be complaining if your team won the Heineken cup or top 14 after killing the game at the end

I didnt see this match so cant comment on that but teams shouldnt be criticed for the way they plat the game you do what it takes to win. Im, sure you wouldnt be complaining if your team won the Heineken cup or top 14 after killing the game at the end.

DonBilly
01-07-08, 10:20 PM
I didnt see this match so cant comment in that but teams shouldnt be criticed for the way they plat the game you do what it takes to win. Im, sure you wouldnt be complaining if your team won the Heineken cup or top 14 after killing the game at the end

I didnt see this match so cant comment on that but teams shouldnt be criticed for the way they plat the game you do what it takes to win. Im, sure you wouldnt be complaining if your team won the Heineken cup or top 14 after killing the game at the end. [/b]

Toulouse is not my team and I have always been unfriendly with the way Stade Français used to play at Nick Mallet era when it was very defensive and relying a lot on the boot of their FH, Domingo Dominguez at that time. Galthié has improved a lot the way the Stade Français plays.

Mr.cyclopede
05-07-08, 01:10 PM
Watched the highlights on Eurosport. Toulouse did to Clermont what Munster did to Toulouse in the Heineken Cup Final. Wonder if Ellisade will be complaining again after the pick-and-go tatic they used during the last 10 minutes.
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Just forgot 3 little differences beetween these 2 finals:

- TLS played these pick and go during the 4/5 last minutes (from the 77th to the 81th min), not the 20...
- They were leading at this moment by 10 pts, not 3.
- They were not only keeping the ball, but were also superior and going forward on rucks and mauls, wich allowed them to score the 78th min penalty.

Try to watch the full game, not only the "highlights"...

alexrugby
31-07-08, 05:16 PM
This is something like a black karma over the Clermont
Move to Final and lose it
what&#39;s the problem
As Zirakashvili scored try I was happy BECAUSE HE IS GEORGIAN :cheers:
I feel sorry for Clermont :blink:


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