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Steve-o
05-08-08, 05:17 PM
http://www.sarugby.com/news/News/article/sid=9717.html




SPRINGBOK XV:



15. Conrad Jantjes

14. JP Pietersen

13. Adrian Jacobs

12. Jean de Villiers

11. Jongi Nokwe

10. Butch James

9. Enrico Januarie

8. Pierre Spies

7. Juan Smith

6. Luke Watson

5. Victor Matfield (captain)

4. Bakkies Botha

3. CJ van der Linde

2. Bismarck du Plessis

1. Tendai Mtawarira


RESERVES:

16. Adriaan Strauss

17. Brian Mujati

18. Andries Bekker

19. Joe van Niekerk

20. Fourie du Preez

21. Jaque Fourie

22. Percy Montgomery



DEBUT FOR NOKWE:



Vodacom Free State Cheetahs wing Jongi Nokwe will make his debut for the Springboks on Saturday against Argentina in the Mandela Challenge match at Coca-Cola Park in Johannesburg.

The Cheetahs speedster was today named in the Springbok starting line-up for the much anticipated clash against the Pumas. Centre Jaque Fourie and scrumhalf Fourie du Preez were included as replacements for the rematch of October’s Rugby World Cup semi-final. Both joined the Springbok squad again after lengthy lay-offs due to injury.

Also included on the bench are the number eight Joe van Niekerk and veteran fullback Percy Montgomery. Van Niekerk will earn his 50th Test cap if used as a substitute while Montgomery will feature in his 99th Test for South Africa should he also enter the action from the bench.

Bryan Habana and Schalk Burger - who have been under an injury cloud since Perth - are both omitted from the squad. Luke Watson will start on the flank in place of Burger. [/b]



Nokwe was in extended 46 man squad in the beginning of the SH International season, but was excluded when it got cut down to 30. He really has used that motivation to carry his S14 form into the CC and get a deserved Bok call up imo. He is also definitely one of quickest players and best finishers in SA, no doubt. HOWEVER (isn't there always one of those) his defence is pretty suspect, although I think it's better than Chavhanga's defence, just. His got a big boot on him and has a physical presence about him (183cm & 85kg). I'm pretty excited to see him get a run at International level, our winger stocks are not looking good (as always) so I think giving more wingers like Nokwe a chance is well worth it. He was the top SA try scorer in the S14 this year so he has shown he's got what it takes at a high level.

Also great to see Du Preez & Fourie back in the fold!



Post all news concerning both teams here..

Jer1cho
06-08-08, 11:08 AM
Hey, Mr. former terrorist/President/Savior/Hero/Pensioner what would you like for your 90th? (The new 21) Oh gee, i dunno, um, how about an honorary rugby match between South Africa and someone else? <_<

Politics aside, we should win pretty comfortably, and i hope Nokwe does well. Seeing as Chavhanga is always hurt or ignored, we need another solid winger. :angry:

Boggle
06-08-08, 12:23 PM
Nokwe is definitely a better call up then JP or Ndungane at this point, some people fold under the pressure of test match rugby though, but would like to see him go out there and perform.



I would have used this time to maybe test Chavanga out again, but I&#39;m not sure if he&#39;s still injured or not.



Surely we should win this one though, we&#39;re basically giving all our top players a rest (either because they need it or because they&#39;re all bloody injured) but even so I think we should take it. I notice the Argies are sending a very strong side with about 9 or so players from the world cup left, which is impressive.

Prestwick
06-08-08, 02:54 PM
Considering Argentina have had trouble putting away Scotland and Italy of all sides, my money would be on the World Champs to notch up another win against Los Pumas.

B team or no B team.

Gavin
06-08-08, 04:36 PM
South Africa should win easily but I&#39;d like to see Argentina put up a good fight. Wonder how many Puma&#39;s players are going to be realised from pre-season training, or want to play if they are on holiday.

feicarsinn
07-08-08, 01:49 AM
Argentina team for SA:
Team: 15-Bernardo Stortoni, 14-Jose Maria Nunez Piossek, 13-Federico Martin Aramburu, 12-Miguel Avramovic, 11-Horacio Agulla, 10-Felipe Contepomi (captain), 9-Nicolas Vergallo, 8-Juan Manuel Leguizamon, 7-Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe, 6-Martin Durand, 5-Patricio Albacete, 4-Rimas Alvarez, 3-Pedro Ledesma, 2-Mario Ledesma, 1-Rodrigo Roncero

Replacements: 16-Alberto Vernet Basualdo, 17-Marcos Ayerza, 18-Esteban Lozada, 19-Alvaro Galindo, 20-Alfredo Lalanne, 21-Benjamin Urdapilleta, 22-Rafael Carballo.

fairly strong team all things considered will be interested to see how vergallo does at 9 as pichots replacement. it should be very tight in the pack any if contepomi sparks it could go either way..you never know

SA by 12

Steve-o
07-08-08, 09:44 AM
With that front row I&#39;m sure Argentina will give us good game. Don&#39;t know much about the backline though, after Contepomi of course. Is there anybody we should keep our eye on?

feicarsinn
07-08-08, 03:22 PM
well Stortoni is glasgow&#39;s fullback nothing special really
Piossek is argentina&#39;s leading try scorer, but nine of those were against paraguay ..hah
Avramovic is at mountbaton in the T14
Aramburu is with Perpignan atm but used to play for biarritz
and agulla has just turned pro signing with US Dax
so they can play anyways they wont be as good as hernandez or corleto but they will be formidable

Incredible Schalk
09-08-08, 01:29 PM
Stortoni is a pretty useful player i&#39;d say, flawless under the high ball and makes quite a few breaks. A very attacking minded player whilst playing for Glasgow anyway.

Sir Speedy
09-08-08, 01:56 PM
A game to show just how far away Argentina are from the side that won the 3rd place play-off in Paris...

Incredible Schalk
09-08-08, 02:29 PM
Well they have a kick to go 9-0 in front, Botha acting like a thug as usual and to many 50-50 passes. The Pumas are playing very well..

Whats the picture quality like of those who are watching it in Britain? mines is shocking..jumpy :(

Sir Speedy
09-08-08, 02:34 PM
I haven&#39;t really been watching it, but the picture is perfect right now...

SA 0 - 9 ARG...well, they&#39;re certainly proving me wrong! Go go Los Pumas! :cheers:

Incredible Schalk
09-08-08, 02:53 PM
14-9 at half time, two superb tries. One individual effort by Nokwe and a superb Jean De Villiers break set up Jacobs for his second test try. That was more like it in the final 10 minutes. The Boks are absoloutely owning the scrum, they are wheeling the Pumas virtually every scrum and edging forward on their own.

Sir Speedy
09-08-08, 03:17 PM
28 - 9 now. I guess I was right about them....sadly.
Uh, as I post that, Fourie Du Preez scores.. 35 - 9.

munross
09-08-08, 03:43 PM
Van Niekerk scores his second try and du Plessis scores one now aswell that brings up the Boks 50.
Score is now 56 - 9

crispy
09-08-08, 03:58 PM
Shame the Pumas collapsed after that first SA try, we had a decent game for 30 mins.

Incredible Schalk
09-08-08, 04:01 PM
Sadly i think thats the end of the Pumas chances of getting into the tri nations for the moment. Its so competitive so there isnt much point in bringing in whipping boys.

Some absoloutely beutiful moves by the Boks, first time i can really say they attacked like the All Blacks. I think PDV should keep Bekker instead of Botha, he was superb when he came on.

munross
09-08-08, 04:11 PM
Nokwe had a really nice debut scoring a "flashy" try,sad to see Jaque Fourie leaving the field with a fractured cheek bone.

The Boks played well(but only after 30min!),they are really going to have to lift their game for next week&#39;s test against the All Blacks.

Maybe with Habana and Burger returning they be up to it to beat New Zealand

Boggle
09-08-08, 04:11 PM
Sadly i think thats the end of the Pumas chances of getting into the tri nations for the moment. Its so competitive so there isnt much point in bringing in whipping boys. [/b]

I certainly don&#39;t think so.

Sure we thumped them by the largest scoreline ever against an Argentine team, but they are rebuilding at the moment, this was also their first ELV game. It&#39;s not that long ago that the Springboks lost to Australia 49-0, we&#39;ve gone on to win the world cup after that.

Anyway, on to the game.

The first 30 minutes I was absolutely confused as to why we were playing so loose, a lot of weird kicks and silly mistakes all over the park, but after that first try they started getting it all together and finally had a game with the sort of running rugby De Villiers was talking about for so long now.

I still can&#39;t believe we won 63 - 9 after not even being on the scoreboard 30 minutes in.

Oh yes I have one more thing to add.

WHY JAQUE FOURIE ?

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !?

:(

Prestwick
09-08-08, 04:45 PM
<div class='quotemain'> Sadly i think thats the end of the Pumas chances of getting into the tri nations for the moment. Its so competitive so there isnt much point in bringing in whipping boys. [/b]

I certainly don&#39;t think so.

Sure we thumped them by the largest scoreline ever against an Argentine team, but they are rebuilding at the moment, this was also their first ELV game. It&#39;s not that long ago that the Springboks lost to Australia 49-0, we&#39;ve gone on to win the world cup after that. [/b][/quote]

I agree, keep in mind that this is the end of what has been an exhausting and bruising season for Argentina. To acheive so much with such little downtime is absolutely incredible for these guys. Any inclusion in the Tri-Nations must go hand in hand with a deal with the French & English clubs.

Incredible Schalk
09-08-08, 04:58 PM
Yes but Argentina have now lost 3 games in a row, two at home to Scotland and Italy. Of course the more competitive rugby they get the better but if they join the tri nations they will just be imbarassed like today. Best join the 6 nations if possible.

Sir Speedy
09-08-08, 05:00 PM
Yes but Argentina have now lost 3 games in a row, two at home to Scotland and Italy. Of course the more competitive rugby they get the better but if they join the tri nations they will just be imbarassed like today. Best join the 6 nations if possible.
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They lost to both Scotland and Italy at home. In their current state, what makes you think they&#39;ll beat them if they had an adopted home ground in, Spain say?

Incredible Schalk
09-08-08, 05:08 PM
I never said they did, although with their best players back they should be about midtable in the 6 nations i feel.

Steve-o
09-08-08, 05:11 PM
FARK!!! I wrote this long review of the game and Eskom started its crap again. *sigh*



Anyway quick review. Players that impressed: Watson, James, Du Preez (his passing is miles better than Januaries), Jacobs and Nokwe.



In the 1st 30 mins we played the EXACT same game plan we used against NZ in the 1st Test and the 1st Oz Test. Only commiting 2 players to the ruck, we ran out of our 22 more than we kicked it and when we kick it we don&#39;t kick it out (it almost seems on purpose). It&#39;s obvious to me PdV is trying (but failing) to push this expansive game plan every game or so, but it always becomes this mush of 50-50 passes and poor support play.

In the 1st 30 mins I was sitting there wondering WTF is our game plan. Luckily somebody gave them a &#39;snotklap&#39; whilst 0-9 down and they started playing structured rugby, and they put 63 unanswered points against the Argies (surprise surprise). PLEASE PdV give this helter skelter gameplan a rest, if it ain&#39;t gonna work against an average Argentina, it&#39;ll never work. It was nice seeing some quick hands BUT there really has to be a balance between structured play and running rugby



Nokwe was having a good debut before he got taken off (why I don&#39;t know, I can&#39;t predict PdV at all), his running is really slick, it&#39;s nice to have him in the setup.



I agree with Incredible Schalk about the Argies in the TN. Whilst most of their players play in Europe and there is no international season, it&#39;s a definite no go. The Boks could of put 80 points on them today.

Boggle
09-08-08, 07:23 PM
I don&#39;t know about you guys, but today I saw some -brilliant- running rugby, exactly what PdV has been harping on about for ages, I&#39;m sure what Pieter had been trying to do from the start was not take away any structure, but play more of an open attacking game instead of grinding over the line time and again, much like the All blacks do.

Today we didn&#39;t score a single try by bashing people to hell for 15 phases and finally dotting the ball down right on the line whilst being covered by 10 other bodies.

And don&#39;t get me wrong there&#39;s nothing wrong with that, I just think it&#39;s nice that we can score these brilliant team tries as well.

I&#39;d also like to add that whilst I don&#39;t agree that this game showed us that they are not ready to join the Tri Nations, I -do- agree that they absolutely -have- to develop a professional rugby competition in their own country, it would instantly solve just about all of their problems, they&#39;d have the same season as us and they would -finally- be able to play more than 6 tests per year (being part of the tri nations).

Prestwick
09-08-08, 08:39 PM
No, wait, I thought they won their first game against Scotland!

Incredible Schalk
09-08-08, 08:52 PM
yes and lost the second, fairly heavily

smartcooky
09-08-08, 09:47 PM
Argentina were ambushed to some extent, and they were missing a LOT of players from their RWC2007 campaign, through retirement, injury or non-release by their European clubs.

This result was not truly indicative of the releative strengths of the sides, but it does indicate the lack of depth in Argentina rugby once you get beyond the best 25 or so players. Depth comes with time in top level competition, something that Argentina just does not get. Put them into Tri-Nations at the earliest possible time, with guaranteed player availability, and it won&#39;t be long before they are competitive.

A thrashing does not mean that you team doesn&#39;t deserve to be in this competititon;

23.08.1997.... South Africa 61 - Australia 22 - two years later Australia wins RWC
15.06.2006.... Australia 49 - South Africa 0 - one year later South Africa wins RWC

Prestwick
09-08-08, 09:55 PM
Fatigue has more to do with this than non-release. Its now August, the clubs have absolutely no business telling players who they can and cannot play for at this time of the year as there is absolutely no rugby going on.

On the other hand, there is a reason for this: its meant to the the players rest season.

Obviously though, when they only play 12 games a season according to some recent figures I&#39;ve read, they shouldn&#39;t whinge :P

Ripper
10-08-08, 01:59 AM
Good to see Wayne Barnes is continuing his habit of stuffing up seemingly every test he is appointed to.

Shame Paddy hasn&#39;t appointed his love child for a test in New Zealand though.

I Bleed Black
10-08-08, 07:50 AM
Barnes!!

How many penalties were there??? I thought alot of those offences were supposed to be free kicks.

I only watched half of the match, once the contest was lost but it did not look like an ELV&#39;s rugby purely down to the way Barnes refs the game.

You would think none of the players had ever played a game of rugby with the way Barnes talks through the game telling them how to play. Geez you dont even need a commentator when he is reffing.

I know Im a Kiwi, so by birth right I have to hate him, but he is so farkin annoying as well!

Steve-o
10-08-08, 10:00 AM
Barnes!!

How many penalties were there??? I thought alot of those offences were supposed to be free kicks.

I only watched half of the match, once the contest was lost but it did not look like an ELV&#39;s rugby purely down to the way Barnes refs the game.

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The ELVs used in this Test are the Global ELVs that were implemented on the 1 August. The free kick sanction for infringements is not in this set, the NH had the final say and they did not want that ELV.

Shimano
10-08-08, 12:01 PM
The ELVs used in this Test are the Global ELVs that were implemented on the 1 August. The free kick sanction for infringements is not in this set, the NH had the final say and they did not want that ELV.
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Gutless ******s!!!

Zel
10-08-08, 01:13 PM
Result is unfortunate for Arg.. seems like the 6 nations should be where Arg make their mark in the future...