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ollybarkley
12-08-08, 09:52 AM
So.. who do you all like

Jones v Hook?

I am a big supporter of Jones, but that could be because I am like him in playing style, stiff, rigid, cool, composed, and all about consistency and level-headed decision-making. I also think his kicking game is better and his defence.

Caledfwlch
12-08-08, 09:56 AM
Jones looks like he is bow-legged to me. Personally, I'd still stick with Jones. Hook was such a promising young talent when he burst onto the scene. Comparing him to Carter, and saying that he could surpass Carter.

But the past season, he's been lukewarm.

chingnow
22-08-08, 03:17 AM
i prefer hook but he can also play in the centres right?

ollybarkley
22-08-08, 07:21 PM
i prefer hook but he can also play in the centres right?
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Yes, he can, which they have used in the past. Both have actually played 12 before, although it's a much better option to have Hook there, as he is more of a running threat.

But the problem with that arrangement is there is a guy named Henson or something that people really like who also plays 12... but I'd be happy to see him play 13 to allow Jones and Hook to both start the match. Not a huge Shanklin fan myself.

Sir Speedy
22-08-08, 07:26 PM
Not a huge Shanklin fan myself.
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Me neither... but Hook is a waste of space at 12... The sooner Lee Thomas gets in the Welsh team the better....

ollybarkley
22-08-08, 07:44 PM
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Not a huge Shanklin fan myself.
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Me neither... but Hook is a waste of space at 12... The sooner Lee Thomas gets in the Welsh team the better....
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Wait a minute... are you allowed to write that, being Welsh and all. I thought all Welsh people loved both Henson and Hook equally, and it was only Jones that could be ridiculed in public.

Sir Speedy
22-08-08, 07:48 PM
Wait a minute... are you allowed to write that, being Welsh and all. I thought all Welsh people loved both Henson and Hook equally, and it was only Jones that could be ridiculed in public.
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Have you been reading the Western Mail? <_< According to them, Hook is the next Barry John and Henson is a descendant of Jesus Christ Himself; performing miracles and all that.

ollybarkley
22-08-08, 07:56 PM
Must be where I read it....;-)

And Stephen Jones is a direct descendent of doubting Thomas.

Don&#39;t rate Shanklin at all, think he&#39;s a bald Tindall; slow, no ball skills, just there to plug up holes defensively and run hard and straight.

Think a midfield of Jones/Hook/Henson would really light people up.

gjohn85
22-08-08, 08:53 PM
At the moment Jones is the safer option at 10. Hook is great if we are struggling or want to go attacking.

Hook has done well at 12 but he needs to be at 10. I think in a few years Hook will be first choice at 10, but Jones is more well rounded player. Jones can read the game far better & he commands the game at 10. Currently Hook is far too quiet, he needs to start commanding the game.

ollybarkley
22-08-08, 09:06 PM
At the moment Jones is the safer option at 10. Hook is great if we are struggling or want to go attacking.

Hook has done well at 12 but he needs to be at 10. I think in a few years Hook will be first choice at 10, but Jones is more well rounded player. Jones can read the game far better & he commands the game at 10. Currently Hook is far too quiet, he needs to start commanding the game.
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That&#39;s pretty much my idea too. Hook is the future, but I still think Jones is the present... and the teacher for Hook. He has truly learned how to maximize the talent he has, and if he could impart that to Hook, then Hook will become a true rival to Dan Carter as a world class 10.

RC
08-10-08, 01:10 PM
Nah, Stephen Jones no longer poses a threat at international lever, IMO.
The guy&#39;s not got the speed, he hasn&#39;t got as good a boot as Hook and his running game isn&#39;t as effective.
However, Hook does let the team down slightly when there&#39;s no commanding scrum half beside him. He lacks the judgement and game control that Stephen Jones excells in - but game control alone will mean Jones will be heavily exploited by the quality SH teams.
Hook is the present and future.
Jones is the past.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Aug 22 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=343239')</div>
Have you been reading the Western Mail? <_< According to them, Hook is the next Barry John and Henson is a descendant of Jesus Christ Himself; performing miracles and all that.[/b]

I ask you to prove the Western Mail wrong, if you please!

Sir Speedy
08-10-08, 02:55 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RC @ Oct 8 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=352039')</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Aug 22 2008, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=343239')
Have you been reading the Western Mail? <_< According to them, Hook is the next Barry John and Henson is a descendant of Jesus Christ Himself; performing miracles and all that.[/b]

I ask you to prove the Western Mail wrong, if you please!
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Henson:
http://www.rbs6nations.com/images/news/Gavin-Henson-Ospreys.jpg

Jesus:
http://www.blup.fr/wp-content/uploads/2006_03_27_jesus_loves_you.jpg

Goddamnit, I do see a resemblance! D:

Prestwick
08-10-08, 03:12 PM
I heard that Charlie Hodgeson has a Welsh uncle somewhere...

Sir Speedy
08-10-08, 03:17 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Oct 8 2008, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=352071')</div>
I heard that Charlie Hodgeson has a Welsh uncle somewhere...[/b]
Must be related to Nicky Robinson. That&#39;d explain their excellent distribution skills and cack-all else...
EDIT: AND IT&#39;S &#39;HODGSON&#39;! D:

Prestwick
08-10-08, 03:22 PM
Who cares, the guy won&#39;t even be mentioned when Sale find a decent number ten in their Academy.

Sir Speedy
08-10-08, 03:27 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Oct 8 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=352075')</div>
Who cares, the guy won&#39;t even be mentioned when Sale find a decent number ten in their Academy.[/b]
We could always shift McAlister to 10 and have Thomas and Tait in the centre, Lamont at fullback and Cueto and ??? on the wing.
Now if we just fill that ???, we can stop having to have Thomas or McAlister covering the 10 channel while Hodgson assumes fetus position telling himself it&#39;ll all be over soon 10 metres away from where a decent 10 should be...
I blame him for three of our tries conceded against London Irish.

On topic: Based on Magners form, Hook would need to be the no. 10. It&#39;s just he&#39;s way too unreliable on the international stage. He&#39;s more likely to have a depressingly average game than he is a class showing. :(

RC
08-10-08, 05:41 PM
In my opinion i think Hook is more reliable internationally than he is regionally.
He steps up his game for Wales and he&#39;s cool as a cucumber in the big situations.

cyRil
08-10-08, 06:53 PM
Dan Biggar.

RC
08-10-08, 09:02 PM
Shut up. :P

Lukascd
31-10-08, 10:32 AM
Ospreys fans, is Dan Biggar actually good or did he make it into the Welsh team to fill up some space? (Iv&#39;e never seen him play)

cyRil
31-10-08, 12:29 PM
He should be the starting 10 at the Ospreys at present. He will progress to be a better player than Hook. Fact.

Sir Speedy
31-10-08, 12:46 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Oct 31 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=357146')</div>
He should be the starting 10 at the Ospreys at present. He will progress to be a better player than Hook. Fact.[/b]
That wouldn&#39;t exactly take much, would it? :P

Lukascd
31-10-08, 12:50 PM
Hook is a quality player, not as good as Nick Robinson at the moment I have to admit; but when your in the millenium stadium and hook dives over the tryline in a welsh jersey, you have submit and say hes a good player, lots of flair

cyRil
31-10-08, 01:00 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lukascd @ Oct 31 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=357166')</div>
Hook is a quality player, not as good as Nick Robinson at the moment I have to admit; but when your in the millenium stadium and hook dives over the tryline in a welsh jersey, you have submit and say hes a good player, lots of flair[/b]
Nicky Robinson is playing very well at the moment, no idea why him or his brother have been left out of the Welsh squad for Andrew Bishop(!!!!). But Hook is a class act, he&#39;s just not firing for some reason right now. When both Robinson and Hook are on top form, there is no comparison between the two.
Speedy &#39;Am I a Turk, am I a Manc?&#39;, shut it! ;) :P

dullonien
31-10-08, 02:28 PM
Not sure I&#39;d trust Nicky Robinson with the Welsh 10 at the moment. He&#39;s playing some amazing stuff, but he&#39;s done that before then played like utter crap for Wales, v Fiji a couple of times. As Gatland has said, he needs to prove his consistently, if he can do that from now till the 6 nations, he&#39;ll be there or there abouts and would expect him to get into the squad.

As for his brother Jamie, I&#39;ve no idea why he&#39;s not there ahead of Andrew Bishop. He doesn&#39;t suffer from the cronic inconsistency his brother does. He&#39;s always played well for Wales when given the chance, and this season has shown, when playing outside a quality 12 lke Roberts he&#39;s lethal. No compensation for speed, which he has in spades! Give him the room (would love to see him play outside Henson) and he&#39;ll finish it off, i.e. v France in 06 or 07.

Biggar is a quality prospect with even more talent than Hook imo. He&#39;s a more direct player, who can command the backline with more authority already that Hook. He&#39;s played solidly behind a poor O&#39;s pack so far this season, doing nothing special, but getting on with what needs doing. He&#39;s transitioned into regional rugby with ease and expect the same transition into international. He was another of the stars of the under 20 team, first playing for them at the age of 17! Expect to see him play v Canada, probably from the bench.

Lukascd
31-10-08, 05:43 PM
Robinson hasn&#39;t been kicking for Cardiff anyway so I&#39;m not sure he&#39;ll get the number 10 shirt, if hook played center though...

possibilities. Dont know why jamie wasn&#39;t picked and shanklin was, its bizarre (shanklin runs sideways and gets tackled, sorta like henson at the end of the ospreys last match)

I&#39;m looking forward to Wales v South Africa and Canada (have tickets for both! Woooo!). Once Wales start playing the regions can all go to hell in my opinion (though i would like to see the blues lift the Heineken cup). The six nations will always be the best annual competition. Should be interesting to see how halfpenny, biggar and andy powell fill in; but Wales wouldn&#39;t be the same at the moment without the jones:hook rivalry. We need them both