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punkbrain
15-09-08, 11:58 AM
Doug Howlett is considering making it back to the All Blacks 4 the 2011 world cup!

I personally think he's a great winger but going to Europe has really messed him up and he wont be able to outshine others like H.Gear,J.Rokocoko,L.Masaga etc... by the time he gets back in NZ.......lets just hope DC (Dan Carter) doesn't lose his CLASS after 6 months in France

Do U think he has a chance??

dangandan
15-09-08, 12:29 PM
and why would either of them lose their class by going to europe?

toup
15-09-08, 12:53 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dangan @ Sep 15 2008, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348053')</div>
and why would either of them lose their class by going to europe?[/b]

Because Europe has never produced players of any ability and/or flair, silly! [/ridiculous sweeping statements]

The Carter issue aside (and it really is an aside, as I think anyone who has even a basic grip of world rugby will appreciate that there are far worse places to play rugby than France), I think Howlett could be pushing his luck - he&#39;ll be about 33, and with the strength of NZ wingers being as it is, I think he will really struggle to live with younger players.

That said, nobody can deny his class, and the experience of playing in Europe might actually help - to win a WORLD cup, Southern hemisphere players need to know how to beat northern hemisphere teams, so a brief spell in Europe for a few players may be no bad thing.

I think it&#39;s a long shot, but if anyone could do it, he&#39;d have to be on your list of candidates...

shazbooger
15-09-08, 03:38 PM
Good point. Its not as if winning the premier world club competition in his first season could possibly have done him any good. :rolleyes:

Thingimubob
15-09-08, 05:51 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (punkbrain @ Sep 15 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348049')</div>
Doug Howlett is considering making it back to the All Blacks 4 the 2011 world cup!

I personally think he&#39;s a great winger but going to Europe has really messed him up and he wont be able to outshine others like H.Gear,J.Rokocoko,L.Masaga etc... by the time he gets back in NZ.......lets just hope DC (Dan Carter) doesn&#39;t lose his CLASS after 6 months in France

Do U think he has a chance??[/b]

he could well make it back into the All Blacks, he was superb against the Dragons yesterday (his defense especially)
but wtf mate? how would moving to Europe make any difference whatsoever on a players ability? and Euopean players have no flair - James Hook, Shane Williams, Vincent Clerc, Eoin Reddan, Danny Cipriani, Luke Fitzgerald are all part of a massive crop of players who have stacks of flair!

Sir Speedy
15-09-08, 06:03 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thingimubob @ Sep 15 2008, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348100')</div>
but wtf mate? how would moving to Europe make any difference whatsoever on a players ability? and Euopean players have no flair - James Hook, Shane Williams, Vincent Clerc, Eoin Reddan, Danny Cipriani, Luke Fitzgerald are all part of a massive crop of players who have stacks of flair![/b]
:rolleyes: Don&#39;t be silly. We all know Howlett, Mauger, McAlister et al have been terrible since they&#39;ve moved here. Y&#39;know:

McAlister - Sale&#39;s best player and best centre in the Premiership.
Howlett - Key factor in taking Munster to H-Cup glory last year.
Mauger - Recently appointed Leicester&#39;s captain.

Carl Hayman and Chris Jack haven&#39;t been good, but if I&#39;m not mistaken, Jack has been injured for a while and Hayman is at Newcastle. &#39;nuff said. <_<
You could then name:

Regan King (Would be Wales&#39; 13 if eligable)
Paul Tito (Was the best lock in Magners League last year)
Filo Tiatia (Superb impact sub)
Holah (Was excellent at times for teh H&#39;s last year.)
Xavier Rush (Best captain in the Magners League - superb all round player.)

Who are 5 of the best players in the Magners League without a doubt.

But then again, when the NH breeds players such as Skrela, Balshaw and Dan Parks (Australian, isn&#39;t he? Lol irony..), you can&#39;t blame some SH guy for taking a cheap bash at us... <_<

SaintsFan_Schweinsteiger_Webby
15-09-08, 06:31 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Sep 15 2008, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348101')</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Thingimubob @ Sep 15 2008, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348100')
but wtf mate? how would moving to Europe make any difference whatsoever on a players ability? and Euopean players have no flair - James Hook, Shane Williams, Vincent Clerc, Eoin Reddan, Danny Cipriani, Luke Fitzgerald are all part of a massive crop of players who have stacks of flair![/b]
:rolleyes: Don&#39;t be silly. We all know Howlett, Mauger, McAlister et al have been terrible since they&#39;ve moved here. Y&#39;know:

McAlister - Sale&#39;s best player and best centre in the Premiership.
Howlett - Key factor in taking Munster to H-Cup glory last year.
Mauger - Recently appointed Leicester&#39;s captain.

Carl Hayman and Chris Jack haven&#39;t been good, but if I&#39;m not mistaken, Jack has been injured for a while and Hayman is at Newcastle. &#39;nuff said. <_<
[/b][/quote]

Have to pull you up over a number of those points.

McAlister has been playing well at Sale, but to say he is their best player and the top centre in the Premiership is highly contencious. Mauger on the other hand has been downright awful ever since he joined Leicester. No idea why he was chosen captain, as if he continues on the form he showed last season then he&#39;d struggle to even make the Tigger&#39;s A-League side.

Jack has had a few injuries and was played out of position at 6 to start this season. That&#39;s simply a combination of bad luck and bad coaching. As an individual he has shown his worth. And it&#39;s unfair to say that Hayman hasn&#39;t been good - there isn&#39;t a lot a prop can do on his own when he&#39;s playing in a poor side.

Sir Speedy
15-09-08, 07:19 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Schweinsteiger_Webby @ Sep 15 2008, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348104')</div>
Have to pull you up over a number of those points.

1. McAlister has been playing well at Sale, but to say he is their best player and the top centre in the Premiership is highly contencious.

2. Mauger on the other hand has been downright awful ever since he joined Leicester. No idea why he was chosen captain, as if he continues on the form he showed last season then he&#39;d struggle to even make the Tigger&#39;s A-League side.

3.Jack has had a few injuries and was played out of position at 6 to start this season. That&#39;s simply a combination of bad luck and bad coaching. As an individual he has shown his worth.

4.And it&#39;s unfair to say that Hayman hasn&#39;t been good - there isn&#39;t a lot a prop can do on his own when he&#39;s playing in a poor side.[/b]
1. Reading the rugbynetwork forum and some posts on 606, many agree that he&#39;s Sale&#39;s best player. Yeh, it&#39;s a pretty big call that latter bit - I stand by it though. ;)

2. I agree, he&#39;s been below average since joining. Meyer has faith in him though...

3. I thought so.

4. My point exactly.

Incredible Schalk
15-09-08, 09:57 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Sep 15 2008, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348084')</div>
Good point. Its not as if winning the premier world club competition in his first season could possibly have done him any good. :rolleyes:[/b]


A matter of opinion. The way Musnter play Doug barely touches the ball, i certainly dont think hes getting any better up here. Although thats more down to age to be honest.

jawmalawm24
16-09-08, 01:22 AM
Dunno about Dougie getting in the All Blacks RWC 2011 but he could probably get in now if he were to come back but he&#39;ll have alot to contend with like specialist wingers such as J.Rokocoko, S.Sivivatu, H.Gear, L.Masaga than there&#39;s the likes of A.Tuitavake,R.Kahui and Rudi Wulf. So there&#39;s a very long list in the waiting and they&#39;ve all had international experience except for L.Masaga.

Ripper
16-09-08, 01:52 AM
Don&#39;t forget Guildford, he&#39;s a Doug Howlett clone with more gas and a howitzer for a kicking boot.

The only players overseas at the moment of a realistic chance of coming back and making the 2011 World Cup are McAlister and possibly Haymen.

shazbooger
16-09-08, 12:49 PM
I dont think any of us would debate the fact that he&#39;ll struggle to get back in the team. Especially if hes the wrong side of 30. Other players will have 3 years to bed themselves into the squad in his place. I think the objections are due to the assumption that moving to the NH somehow makes them lesser players.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Sep 15 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=348126')</div>
A matter of opinion. The way Munster play Doug barely touches the ball, i certainly dont think hes getting any better up here. Although thats more down to age to be honest.[/b]

You didnt see Munster play on Sunday then? Seven tries scored, passing the ball about with abandon. In fact Dougie scored 2 of those tries didnt he? Dont confuse Munster 4 years ago with the Munster of today. Two different animals.

DonBilly
17-09-08, 02:08 AM
Competition would be tough for him if he decided to return to NZ to wear the black jerzey in 2011 ... He&#39;s no more a rookie...

candybum
17-09-08, 10:16 AM
But he was brilliant in his final few games for NZ wasn&#39;t he.

Callum
19-09-08, 11:10 PM
no, NZ has many good wingers now and there fast and strong, Hewlett was really just fast but he was good

alexrugby
19-09-08, 11:12 PM
Anyway good news I think

shtove
19-09-08, 11:53 PM
Howlett will never return to NZ. Why would he put up with the wind and the rain and all that Kiwi moaning, when Ireland gives him just the wind and rain - plus some cars to crush?

He is excellent, and a second HEC will do nicely.