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Haysie
10-10-08, 05:57 AM
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DURBAN, Oct 9 (Reuters) - South Africa rugby jerseys may sport a flower instead of a Springbok next year after the country&#39;s Parliamentary Sports Portfolio Committee decided to ditch the iconic emblem.

Committee Chairman Butana Komphela told a radio station that delegates supported the call to have a uniform national sporting emblem and for the Springbok to be replaced by South Africa&#39;s national flower, the protea, from next year.

"All the other national teams no longer use the Springbok and the last time the national rugby team runs out with the Bok on their chests will be on the end-of-year tour to the UK," Komphela told Metro FM radio.

"The decision has been made and there will be no negotiation and I know that SA Rugby will say that it will result in a huge loss in revenue, but our investigations have actually indicated that the opposite will happen."

The CEO of SA Rugby, Johan Prinsloo, told the same radio station that they had not taken part in discussions because the subject had not been on the agenda.

"We do have our own opinion as SA Rugby and the Springbok is a huge brand, so it would have drastic consequences for rugby if it were to go, but we will discuss the matter at the President&#39;s Council to determine what to do." (Reporting by Dali Ndebele in Johannesburg; Editing by Peter Rutherford)[/b]

Ridiculous. I hate it! I can&#39;t believe there would not be public outcry against changing such an iconic logo as the spingbok after all the team and logo has been through.
An utterly ridiculous decision, considering there are surely more pressing issues in the Republic at the moment rather than this.

Boggle
10-10-08, 06:29 AM
We&#39;ve been discussing this on another forum since yesterday.

I f***ing well hope the players boycot this decision, maybe even players from other national teams, like to see how they plan to play rugby with no team or opponents.

candybum
10-10-08, 07:16 AM
It just doesn&#39;t sound right to me aye. How does a name change come into topic? especially a team that&#39;s is well known and successful

Jer1cho
10-10-08, 07:25 AM
Like i said before. It has nothing to do with rugby, or sport. It has to do with race. It&#39;s always about f***ing race. This is the same reason that all our cities are changing their names and street names. " so so and so is a symbol of apartheid" is always the excuse for everything. Who gives a f*** if it is or not? It is part of our history, our heritage. Good or bad, history is history. Fact is, i hate this retarded regime, and these idiots need to just die. You think any one of our players will run out onto that field with tears in their eyes if they know that they are playing as the "Proteas" and not the legendary Springboks?

God dammit i hate this country.

Boggle
10-10-08, 07:31 AM
I&#39;m starting to hate the people that run the country more and more -by the day- now.

I used to be a really relaxed guy about things in SA, but there are some things you just don&#39;t f*** with.

Like I said, there had better be some boycott, and if this goes through there had better be some splinter group like they had in the 80s except this time not for black players wanting to be Springboks, but f***ing everyone wanting to be Springboks.

and if I had my way every single rugby playing nation on earth would deny the "proteas" the satisfaction of a game, or even being acknowledged, and keep on playing against the boks.

Haysie
10-10-08, 08:19 AM
I&#39;m in agreement with all of you, it&#39;s just bull****. The RSA cricket side is already the Proteas, surely you don&#39;t have the same name for two national teams from different sports? Bloody hell...

bates
10-10-08, 09:18 AM
Are they serious I mean the Boks are the Boks and the the Protea&#39;s <_<

An Tarbh
10-10-08, 11:05 AM
Doesn&#39;t make any sense to me, you can&#39;t just erase over a century of history and for a feckin flower as well.

Jer1cho
10-10-08, 11:49 AM
Just a quick update

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/...2407778,00.html (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2407778,00.html)

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Johannesburg - The ANC came out strongly in support of the Springbok emblem on Friday, saying it did not want to see it replaced.

"The ANC would like to state categorically that it would not like to see any replacement or change of the Springbok emblem until sufficient debate and consultation of all stakeholders, including rugby supporters, has taken place," said African National Congress spokesperson Jessie Duarte.

"We would also like to encourage our world-acclaimed sportsmen to continue winning more world cups for South Africa and not be detracted by debates on the future of the Springbok emblem."

She was responding to discussions at the National Sports Indaba in Durban where sports portfolio committee chairman Butana Komphela told delegates on Thursday that the Springbok emblem divided the country.

"Minister, I want you to observe the arrogance of white people on the Springbok emblem," he said.

Komphela said that there could be "no negotiation" on replacing the Springbok emblem.

- SAPA[/b]

Notice what this piece of **** says at the end.

Boggle
10-10-08, 11:50 AM
You know what the problem is ?

that asshole Komphela who&#39;s behind all this is the biggest racist f*** I can think of.


Even the ANC is behind the emblem for f***s sake.

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Johannesburg - The ANC came out strongly in support of the Springbok emblem on Friday, saying it did not want to see it replaced.

"The ANC would like to state categorically that it would not like to see any replacement or change of the Springbok emblem until sufficient debate and consultation of all stakeholders, including rugby supporters, has taken place," said African National Congress spokesperson Jessie Duarte.

"We would also like to encourage our world-acclaimed sportsmen to continue winning more world cups for South Africa and not be detracted by debates on the future of the Springbok emblem."

She was responding to discussions at the National Sports Indaba in Durban where sports portfolio committee chairman Butana Komphela told delegates on Thursday that the Springbok emblem divided the country.

"Minister, I want you to observe the arrogance of white people on the Springbok emblem," he said.

Komphela said that there could be "no negotiation" on replacing the Springbok emblem.[/b]


You !, out of the genepool now !

Jer1cho
10-10-08, 11:54 AM
Here is some more idiocy from the retard:

http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Rugby/264..._emblem_must_go (http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Rugby/264/e4212d045d2740208829dcaccf1225ef//Springbok_emblem_must_go)

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Durban - Rugby&#39;s corporate sponsors and its hallowed symbol the Springbok came under fire from delegates on the first day of a two-day National Sports Indaba held in Durban on Thursday.

Sports Portfolio Committee chair Butana Komphela told delegates: "The Springbok divides us. We have a responsibility to unite our country on one national emblem.

"Minister, I want you to observe the arrogance of white people on the Springbok emblem," he said.

Komphela said that there could be "no negotiation" on the Springbok emblem.

When the floor was opened to the delegates, many speakers called for a resolution removing the Springbok emblem to be passed as soon as possible.

However, Sports Minister Makhenkesi Stofile said: "My view is that emblems are not matters of life and death."

He said there should be one national emblem which all sporting codes would endorse.

Rampant racism

Komphela added that the Sharks rugby franchise&#39;s failure to wear "Say no to racism" on their jerseys was nothing but "rampant racism" on the part of manufacturer Mr Price.

"Dealing with the legacy of apartheid cannot be dealt with by market forces," he said.

SA Rugby Union (Saru) chief executive Johan Prinsloo said he could not participate in the debate on the emblem as he had not been authorised to do so and the Springbok emblem had not originally been on the agenda of the Indaba.

According to the sports ministry the main purpose of the indaba, among others, is to develop an integrated national strategy in order to accelerate the implementation of the national sports development agenda.

The indaba will focus on the number of critical topics such as "Politics, sport, transformation and excellence, and access to resources".

Earlier in the day SA Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee (Sascoc) president Moss Mashishi said the country&#39;s poor Beijing Olympic results need to be examined without "stones being thrown at each other".

He said the "painful lessons of this experience need to be examined soberly rather than be used an opportunity to throw stones at each other".

South Africa&#39;s able-bodied athletes only managed one silver medal --their worst result since being readmitted to the international sporting fold.

In contrast the country&#39;s paralympians a month later enjoyed their best Paralympics to date, raking in 30 medals, including 21 golds, to finish sixth on the medals table.

Mashishi said that "now that we have given the big powers such as the Russians a fright we should put more resources into the team".

Referring to the sports funding from the national lottery, Mashishi questioned why the control of those funds were not within the sporting fraternity.

An area that needed to be cleared up was the relationship between federations and school sport.

"It&#39;s an area that is grey and hazy," he said.[/b]

I hope he gets hit by a truck.

Haysie
10-10-08, 12:15 PM
They should look at any other nation, having one cross-the-board emblem is ridiculous.
Rugby doesn&#39;t stand for anything racially suspect, nor should it be used as a tool to feed the masses when the chips are down and the new government are trying to take a &#39;hard-line&#39; stance.
I would have thought it is the one really pure sport in many countries, whereby everyone just has fun.

I know that this cannot always happen, but of course it is what everyone wants. Changing an emblem to appease a minority of nay-sayers just seems ridiculous.

Wallabies - All Blacks - Proteas? That&#39;s ****.

Bullitt
10-10-08, 12:32 PM
I had hoped this went away and was forgotten over a year ago. Oh dear.


Here&#39;s a thought though; The Boks are the most successful team to come out of SA... Why not have everyone conform to them?

Haysie
10-10-08, 12:49 PM
The Proteas are a very successful side in their own right, though. Just no WC trophies to show for it.

Prestwick
10-10-08, 02:02 PM
Or wins over Australia which to be honest is the real yardstick in world Cricket...

...and to say that revenue for what is one of world rugby&#39;s most recognisable brands will somehow blossom overnight if the plastic Protea was adopted is lunacy. Its madness of the highest order and it seems that all the hard work that Nelson Mandela went through to foster reconciliation between white and black has been for naught..

Bullitt
10-10-08, 02:12 PM
Well, every ideal breeds an extreme...

Prestwick
10-10-08, 02:15 PM
...and in Africa the extreme tends to be XTREME and highly popular...with the liberal luvvies anyway.

RC
10-10-08, 05:15 PM
I quite like the sound of the name personally.
Proteas...sounds kinda like a car you could pick up on the cheap.

It&#39;s a cheerie name. I know it&#39;ll bring a smile to my face when i hear Wales are against the Proteas come Autumn/Summer Internationals for years to come.

Prestwick
10-10-08, 06:32 PM
It is a nice name but it is the circumstances of it being foisted upon an unwilling Rugby world thanks to a political machine with an axe to grind which makes the change so shameful.

Steve-o
12-10-08, 09:46 PM
Argh not these people again. They talk about uniting the nation and all that but they&#39;re just trying to satisfy their own agendas.
These are the same people saying there must be at least 8 black players in the Boks from Feb next year to represent the proper "demographics" of SA. In that case we should have a few gay and indian players in the team as well... But of course they won&#39;t push that because it&#39;s not part of their personal vendettas.
The Springbok emblem was in use WAY before the Apartheid regime started, it was in use before there was even a proper SA. I mean, c&#39;mon, it&#39;s just a small buck that&#39;s indigenous to SA, it&#39;s not like its some political symbol or something.
Makes me sick.

getofmeland
12-10-08, 11:20 PM
This is a joke, to be perfectly honest I have no idea who the Protea&#39;s are, and I don&#39;t care...

All I know is the Springbok&#39;s, the boks are one of the best nations in World Rugby, they have been known as the boks for decades, and why should this change now, for a political nightmare...

This will cost the South African Rugby Team Millions in Revenue and also a lot of the fan base around the world, if anything from what I understand, NZ - (The All Blacks) is the biggest brand in International Rugby, I would say South Africa are easily the 2nd biggest brand in International Rugby

Steve-o
13-10-08, 07:10 AM
This whole Protea for all national teams is stupid. Our national soccer teams&#39; name is Bafana Bafana (in English: Boys Boys) which doesn&#39;t relate to anything significant in SA. But so far nor their name nor their symbol has come under attack. Again you can see how selective these things are, it&#39;s all about personal agenda.
Plus nobody actually cares about Bafana which are ranked 85th in the world. HOWEVER everybody wants a piece of the World Champion and 2nd ranked team in the world.

gingergenius
13-10-08, 04:53 PM
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Like i said before. It has nothing to do with rugby, or sport. It has to do with race. It&#39;s always about f***ing race. This is the same reason that all our cities are changing their names and street names. " so so and so is a symbol of apartheid" is always the excuse for everything. Who gives a f*** if it is or not? It is part of our history, our heritage. Good or bad, history is history. Fact is, i hate this retarded regime, and these idiots need to just die. You think any one of our players will run out onto that field with tears in their eyes if they know that they are playing as the "Proteas" and not the legendary Springboks?

God dammit i hate this country.[/b]

I thought saffas used different names depending what their 1st language was...?

Anyway, this is f***ing stupid. A Springbok is an animal native to africa. It&#39;s not like it&#39;s a tulip or a clogg or some other imported dutch symbol, which i could understand them wanting to change...

Plus, Mandela was able to wear that shirt, surely the country should move on from sport front and start worrying about the serious issues left over from apartheid... I&#39;ve said before I can see why they&#39;re meddling in sport with quotas and stuff but it&#39;s just petty and stupid to be bothering with something so small.

QKXV
13-10-08, 06:53 PM
Ag not again. We;ve been here so many times.

Go look through the archive forums and you will find so many topics on this matter, Bokmagic hit the nail on the head when he said that there was one reason why this will not ever happen - Money.

The bok emblem and the integrity of that emblem is what makes it such a great brand, you don&#39;t need to be a prof in consumerist studies to know that global brands are not easy to come by - the Bok makes too much money. Simple. Apart from that the bok has done and is still doing alot to take the sport into disadvantaged areas.

In the history of SA no other emblem has done more to unite a nation see WC 95, 07. Only a few with their own personal hidden agendas still seek to expose the Bok emblem as the last bastion of apartheid.



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This is from Rugby365.com

http://www.rugby365.com/news/1227500.htm

United Democratic Movement leader Bantu Holomisa says he was unsurprised by the timing of Butana Komphela’s latest attack on the Springbok emblem.

Speaking through a statement on Monday Holomisa said the party noted with interest the statements made by the Chairperson of the Portfolio Committee of Sport, but that they had not been surprised to see them coming to the fore.

"We should not be surprised by this publicity stunt because certain African National Congress members want to ingratiate themselves with the new ANC leadership, and ensure that they are high on the list for 2009&#39;s election."

He said in the process they were embarrassing the ANC, whose official position was for the retention of the emblem.

Komphela&#39;s call was not a reflection of what the committee had discussed and was also not the formal position of the committee or the political parties who served on it.

"The Springboks must prepare for their upcoming tour and not concern themselves with this opportunistic noise by the honourable Mr Komphela."

He said the UDM had full confidence in the current leadership of SA rugby. It was this leadership - under coach Pieter de Villiers - that had given the country a team where transformation and class were not mutually exclusive objectives.

Holomisa said instead of making a noise, Komphela and Sport Minister Makhenkesi Stofile should lobby for more funding from the minister of finance to enhance and expand development of players and facilities at grassroot level.

"In other words, actually focus on building something, as opposed to mouthing off and breaking down," said Holomisa.

He said if the Springbok was a symbol of oppression, then the ANC should be asked why it was applying selective amnesia regarding apartheid era symbols.

"How else can we explain the decision for the new democratic parliament to use the apartheid era&#39;s parliamentary premises?

"Or for that matter the three ANC-appointed presidents of the country installing themselves in the Union Buildings - the ultimate symbol of Apartheid&#39;s power and oppression?" said Holomisa.

He said this demonstrated that South Africans should and could take ownership of symbols.

"The Springbok belongs to all of us - as was clearly demonstrated by the widespread support during and after 2007&#39;s Rugby World Cup victory."

-Sapa[/b]

Boggle
13-10-08, 07:14 PM
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Holomisa said instead of making a noise, Komphela and Sport Minister Makhenkesi Stofile should lobby for more funding from the minister of finance to enhance and expand development of players and facilities at grassroot level.[/b]

Because that would like you know, actually make a f***ing difference, and help with the core grassroots transformation of Rugby in SA (where it&#39;s supposed to be happening).
Of course that would be a taboo here in SA, who ever heard of a sane South African minister, apart from Trevor Manuel ?


So obviously they go for an emblem that&#39;s done more for the reconsiliation and transformation of this country than any of -them- ever have.
I&#39;d like to present them with Tuks FM&#39;s Drive show "dunce of the day" award, but then they&#39;re all idiots all of the time, so it would be rather redundant.

Steve-o
13-10-08, 10:02 PM
Yep you&#39;re right QKXV, it&#39;s "that time of the year" where everybody has conferences and kicks up a big stink. I think people in SA are so upset this time because it&#39;s come at the worst possible time.

The fake PdV sex tape and then he says he might as well "give rugby back to the whites"..
This sports Indaba where Kompela said white people are arrogant when it comes to the Springbok emblem..
And now Puke Watson saying SARU is rotten to the core and is controlled by dutchmen..

It&#39;s just too much! You might not be exposed to it too much in England but there are very high tensions here in SA. To add to that SARU launched a "No To Racism" campaign in the CC after a very suspicious allegation of a racist attack during half time at Ellis Park when SA played Oz. The women that was so called attacked, while people just supposedly walked by, didn&#39;t want to press charges and couldn&#39;t give a description of the attackers...
Recently "transformation" has featured on Special Assignment and Interface on TV with Kompela spewing his hate speeches on both, while having his "facts" hopelessly wrong.
People are really getting tired of this constant saga in rugby.

DonBilly
21-10-08, 02:36 PM
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Argh not these people again. They talk about uniting the nation and all that but they&#39;re just trying to satisfy their own agendas.
These are the same people saying there must be at least 8 black players in the Boks from Feb next year to represent the proper "demographics" of SA. In that case we should have a few gay and indian players in the team as well... But of course they won&#39;t push that because it&#39;s not part of their personal vendettas.
The Springbok emblem was in use WAY before the Apartheid regime started, it was in use before there was even a proper SA. I mean, c&#39;mon, it&#39;s just a small buck that&#39;s indigenous to SA, it&#39;s not like its some political symbol or something.
Makes me sick.[/b]

Well I guess the segregation started long time before being formalised with the Apartheid, wasn&#39;t it? Was there any coloured people wearing the Springbock jerzey before formal Apartheid started?

I agree with you that envisioning the replacement Springbock may not be the better way to get peaceful relationships among the different communities nevertheless symbols are often changed when there&#39;s a change of regime, the faucile and hammer symbol have dissapeared from all the Russian jerzeys for example although it was under USSR that the best sporting results and performances were achieved. Rugby has been in SA for so many years the sport of the dominating white community, especially the afrikaners, that the Springbock may have been associated to the segregation.

Prestwick
21-10-08, 06:36 PM
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Rugby has been in SA for so many years the sport of the dominating white community, especially the afrikaners, that the Springbock may have been associated to the segregation.[/b]

In the same way that many North African French see traditional French symbols and being associated to the white majority there? Or how many British Asians and West Indians cannot distinguish between a police uniform and racism?

Just playing devils advocate...

Macsen
21-10-08, 08:45 PM
Well they call the Welsh team &#39;the dragons&#39; and the Argentine team &#39;the pumas&#39; despite the lack of either creature adorning their shirt, so I&#39;m sure the Boks will still be known as such.

sirmorne
21-10-08, 09:18 PM
im a bok suporter not a freaken flower eater. i will become a all black supporter if the springbok aint the springbok anymore

nam97
21-10-08, 11:11 PM
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Well they call the Welsh team &#39;the dragons&#39; and the Argentine team &#39;the pumas&#39; despite the lack of either creature adorning their shirt, so I&#39;m sure the Boks will still be known as such.[/b]

Just for future reference, isn&#39;t this the logo Argentina have on their shirt?

http://www.dndzone.com/patch/Rugby/Argentina%20Rugby.jpg

DonBilly
22-10-08, 06:46 AM
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Well they call the Welsh team &#39;the dragons&#39; and the Argentine team &#39;the pumas&#39; despite the lack of either creature adorning their shirt, so I&#39;m sure the Boks will still be known as such.[/b]

Just for future reference, isn&#39;t this the logo Argentina have on their shirt?

http://www.dndzone.com/patch/Rugby/Argentina%20Rugby.jpg
[/b][/quote]

That&#39;s a Jaguar not a Puma.

nam97
22-10-08, 07:14 AM
:ph34r:

This is a prime example of what sleep deprivation does to ones thought process kiddies. Made a right mess of that one didn&#39;t I now?

HOWEVER, I could get away with this as I never said it was a Puma did I? I just said it was their logo.......... f*** it, I fail.

QLD
22-10-08, 11:17 AM
Disgraceful. I think my South African mate would switch to the Wallabies permanently if this happened.

DonBilly
24-10-08, 06:11 PM
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Disgraceful. I think my South African mate would switch to the Wallabies permanently if this happened.[/b]

And so what?

Prestwick
25-10-08, 06:33 AM
I think the point he is trying to make is that this decision will cause more division and more separation within South African society.

Again, look to France. You can easily argue that what Nicholas Sarkozy has done in his years in political office has done more to fracture and divide French society in recent years than other major French political figures.

Either way, we should all be worried.

Steve-o
25-10-08, 06:47 AM
http://www.keo.co.za/2008/10/22/legal-firm...ent-bok-emblem/ (http://www.keo.co.za/2008/10/22/legal-firm-denies-goverment-bok-emblem/)

Our "side" is winning!

KZNSharksFan
25-10-08, 07:10 AM
This is Exactly the type of politically motivated, misinformed bull**** that is driving hordes of educated South Africans out of their beloved country every year.

The sick thing is, tribalism (the most vicious form of racism) is still rampant throughout Africa and it really is tearing the continent apart. People will vote according to tribal affiliations and do whatever their tribal big wigs in government tell them to. In South Africa, it&#39;s not the content of your character that counts, but rather the colour of your skin and the tribe you&#39;re born into.

As a result, the most ruthless get to the top (Jacob Zuma, Mugabe, Idi Amin etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam). As a result, we have idiots who have no appreciation, love or passion for their position of power - enter komphela.

Oh well, I suppose its all apartheid and colonialism&#39;s fault, that argument seems to have done Mugabe and Zimbabwe wonders in the past 20 years :rolleyes:

QLD
19-11-08, 07:52 AM
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Springboks &#39;no more&#39; in South Africa

From staff reporters
November 19, 2008

SOUTH African rugby is to drop the century-old emblem of the national side, replacing the Springbok with the king protea, the Republic&#39;s national flower.
South Africa&#39;s sports minister, Makhenkesi Stofile, said the Springboks symbol would not be axed completely, in response to incoming legislation that requires national teams to wear the king protea emblem on the left side of the jersey, but he said that its size and position on the jersey had not been finalised.

"The minister also advised us that the commercial emblem of national sporting federations - in rugby&#39;s case, the Springbok - can be utilised as federations deem fit, so long as that use does not compromise the national emblem," South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins said in a statement.

Hoskins will convene a special meeting on December 1 to determine the details on the new emblem, which is already used in other sports.[/b]

This cant be true surely?

Gay-Guy
19-11-08, 08:26 AM
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Springboks &#39;no more&#39; in South Africa

From staff reporters
November 19, 2008

SOUTH African rugby is to drop the century-old emblem of the national side, replacing the Springbok with the king protea, the Republic&#39;s national flower.
South Africa&#39;s sports minister, Makhenkesi Stofile, said the Springboks symbol would not be axed completely, in response to incoming legislation that requires national teams to wear the king protea emblem on the left side of the jersey, but he said that its size and position on the jersey had not been finalised.

"The minister also advised us that the commercial emblem of national sporting federations - in rugby&#39;s case, the Springbok - can be utilised as federations deem fit, so long as that use does not compromise the national emblem," South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins said in a statement.

Hoskins will convene a special meeting on December 1 to determine the details on the new emblem, which is already used in other sports.[/b]

This cant be true surely?
[/b][/quote]
If this happens it will be the greatest rugby tragedy of the 21st century.

The greatest rugby tragedy of the 20th century was Wales losing its status as an equal with S.A and NZ.....the big three.

I am not S.A but I would feel like the soul of rugby has been compromised if the Springbok emblem is lost. *There are some things that MUST never be lost. *Once they are lost things are never the same again. *In football (soccer) the South American super powers are recognised as Argentina and Brazil. *Yet once upon a time Paraguay was the super power of the early world cups and used to laugh at Brazil and Argentina. *Now they are lost in the football wilderness forever and what a loss tothe world it has been.**The Springbok emblem is*not just a part of South African rugby history.**It is a*part of NZ rugby history.**It is a part of world rugby history.**It is a*part of rugby history.**For fecks*sake it IS rugby history!**

The All Blacks NEED the Springbok emblem..as much as it needs the Welsh Dragon, the English Rose, the French Rooster, the Flower of Scotland, etc....

Good men played hard and left all they had on the field for these emblems....good men gave their all...playing one of the*last*sports of gentlemen.**Men who*respected each other and who to this day despite the rivalry have a mutual*respect for each other.

As an All Black supporter the AB brand will grow stronger financially with the elimination of the Springbok emblem but....WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN! *Rugby without rivalries and its history becomes meaningless and therefore is in danger of going down that football road of "friendlies".

If Komphella wants to truly get rid of the old regime then he and the ANC should dynamite everything associated to anything white and go back to their days of living in straw huts holding spears. *He himself should get in shape and go hunt a buffalo. *The road he drove home on tonight was created by white masters...the whole country is a reminder of white aparthied...so he should blow the lot up if he hates the old regime so much!


Get over it Kompheller.....he should be more concerned about how the blacks are killing innocent people every chance they get just for a few dollars.

BLR
19-11-08, 09:08 AM
Just do what Australia do, have the Protea over one breast and the Springbok over the other. They said that they can still have the Springbok but have to put the Protea on there....sorted

Steve-o
19-11-08, 09:21 PM
http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Rugby/264...ums_next_target (http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Rugby/264/e4bc33bd0b1f4e90bd0a10c66c07e112//Rugby_stadiums_next_target)
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Cape Town – ANC MPs Butana Komphela and Cedrick Frolick have set their sights on rugby stadiums as a next target.

“We are on our way to taking away all stadiums from rugby…nothing will stop us,” Komphela said when Frolick asked eThekwini Metro municipal manager, Dr. Mike Sutcliffe, about the ownership of the Absa Stadium in Durban.

At least two rugby unions came under attack on Wednesday during a meeting of the parliamentary portfolio committee on sport with the local organising committee of the 2010 Soccer World Cup and host cities.

They did not attempt to disguise their negative sentiment towards rugby.

This follows news on Tuesday that the minister of sport, Reverend Makhenkesi Stofile, told the South African Rugby Union (Saru) to shift the Springbok-emblem to the right-hand side of the jersey to accommodate the King Protea.

According to Frolick racist attacks on black people after the Currie Cup final at the Absa Stadium (home ground of the Sharks) made him realise that the notion that certain stadiums are reserved for rugby and other ones for different sports should change.

Sutcliffe explained to the committee that the metro council own the ground on which the Absa Stadium stands and that there is a 55-year lease agreement in place with the KwaZulu Natal Rugby Union (KZNRU).

The council would like the KZNRU to move from the Absa Stadium to the new Moses Mabhida Stadium, which is being built for 2010.

At present the rugby union is not entertaining the thought, but Sutcliffe believes they will ultimately be forced to move.

“Moses Mabhida is a better stadium and hopefully we can use legislation to force them,” he said.

Komphela said something else than a rugby stadium should be built on the ground the Absa Stadium currently stands on “so that it can be for all the people of KwaZulu Natal”.

The Free State Rugby Union also came under attack because it is claiming R20m for loss of income from the Mangaung Municipality.

“I want to know what has to be done to get rugby out of that lease agreement,” Komphela told Mangaung city manager Thabo Manyoni.

Manyoni said they were opposing the claim. “We believe it’s an investment in the stadium, while the union say they did not ask for it and that we are wasting their time,” said Manyoni.

Komphela wants to meet with the Free State Rugby Union (FSRU) next week.

Harold Verster, president of the FSRU, said his union would exercise its rights.

Frolick, who called rugby “racist” and a "sport for criminals”, welcomed Stofile’s instruction to Saru about the Protea emblem.

“It is encouraging that rugby has also come into line. We look forward to seeing the newly developed Protea emblem, as well as the blazers and ties,” he said.

Frolick also took a swipe at the Afrikaans newspapers for concentrating “only on rugby”.

“The Springboks are not all powerful! The Soccer World Cup is! That is how we will express ourselves as a nation. The Springbok is a side issue. We are now in the post-Springbok period,” he said.[/b]

Racist attacks at the Shark Tank after the CC final? What rubbish bull****. Why are lying tyrants like these 2 even in charge of anything to with SA sport when they obviously have no interest in sport but rather fulfilling their personal vendettas.
I&#39;m really sick of this crap.

DonBilly
20-11-08, 11:53 AM
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Springboks &#39;no more&#39; in South Africa

From staff reporters
November 19, 2008

SOUTH African rugby is to drop the century-old emblem of the national side, replacing the Springbok with the king protea, the Republic&#39;s national flower.
South Africa&#39;s sports minister, Makhenkesi Stofile, said the Springboks symbol would not be axed completely, in response to incoming legislation that requires national teams to wear the king protea emblem on the left side of the jersey, but he said that its size and position on the jersey had not been finalised.

"The minister also advised us that the commercial emblem of national sporting federations - in rugby&#39;s case, the Springbok - can be utilised as federations deem fit, so long as that use does not compromise the national emblem," South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins said in a statement.

Hoskins will convene a special meeting on December 1 to determine the details on the new emblem, which is already used in other sports.[/b]

This cant be true surely?
[/b][/quote]
If this happens it will be the greatest rugby tragedy of the 21st century.

The greatest rugby tragedy of the 20th century was Wales losing its status as an equal with S.A and NZ.....the big three.

I am not S.A but I would feel like the soul of rugby has been compromised if the Springbok emblem is lost. There are some things that MUST never be lost. Once they are lost things are never the same again. In football (soccer) the South American super powers are recognised as Argentina and Brazil. Yet once upon a time Paraguay was the super power of the early world cups and used to laugh at Brazil and Argentina. Now they are lost in the football wilderness forever and what a loss tothe world it has been. The Springbok emblem is not just a part of South African rugby history. It is a part of NZ rugby history. It is a part of world rugby history. It is a part of rugby history. For fecks sake it IS rugby history!

The All Blacks NEED the Springbok emblem..as much as it needs the Welsh Dragon, the English Rose, the French Rooster, the Flower of Scotland, etc....

Good men played hard and left all they had on the field for these emblems....good men gave their all...playing one of the last sports of gentlemen. Men who respected each other and who to this day despite the rivalry have a mutual respect for each other.

As an All Black supporter the AB brand will grow stronger financially with the elimination of the Springbok emblem but....WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN! Rugby without rivalries and its history becomes meaningless and therefore is in danger of going down that football road of "friendlies".

If Komphella wants to truly get rid of the old regime then he and the ANC should dynamite everything associated to anything white and go back to their days of living in straw huts holding spears. He himself should get in shape and go hunt a buffalo. The road he drove home on tonight was created by white masters...the whole country is a reminder of white aparthied...so he should blow the lot up if he hates the old regime so much!


Get over it Kompheller.....he should be more concerned about how the blacks are killing innocent people every chance they get just for a few dollars.
[/b][/quote]

USSR used to be a power house of Ice Hockey and many other sports, their red stars, the CCCP naming and the hammer and sickle were very common. All that have disappeared and very few people are missing it.

I won&#39;t cry if the Springbok symbol disappears, in my view they should just stick to their wonderful flag which is the real symbol of the post-apartheid SA. I consider that the real challenge for SA Rugby is to make of Rugby the number 1 sport in SA, there should be 1 million Rugbymen over there.

ChiefsFan
22-11-08, 07:03 AM
Can someone inform me as to how the Springbok is racist..?

Steve-o
22-11-08, 07:52 AM
You know the Springbok emblem has actually been revamped several times already. From 1906 to
around 1995 the Springbok was jumping to the left, but the ANC that it symbolizes &#39;looking to the past&#39;. So they swapped it around. Ok...
Then the they said that the Springbok over the Protea flower represents dominance over black people (the Protea was the symbol used for the black national rugby team). That was around 1999 I think.
And now we&#39;re at the current emblem with the Protea above the Springbok but they say the Protea has to be bigger than the Springbok.

KZNSharksFan
22-11-08, 09:17 AM
Well, when the leader of your nation states in parliament that a shower can cure aids, you know your country&#39;s fu**ed

Wizard From Oz
22-11-08, 09:47 AM
Is there really a need to standardise symbols? Very few Australian teams playing internationally wear either the Kangaroo or the Wallabies as their team symbol.

How can this not be about racism, if it wasn&#39;t they would be receptive to changing all the other sports teams to the Springboks - But we know that aint gonna happen.

Sure I can see some people wanting to identify the Springboks with some of the troubles that have befallen South Africa. But you know what - Rugby and the Springboks were around long before those events.

And I kinda like watching the Wallabies and the Springboks - makes my day

gingergenius
22-11-08, 10:59 AM
As I keep saying: I completely agree that black South Africans are due some kind of reparation/ and are entitled to wield power. But I think it&#39;s f***ing pathetic they choose to wield it by being anal over minor issues like rugby, as opposed to the wider problems of AIDs, poverty and the rest. It seems they&#39;re too cowardly to tackle the big issues so have to have a go at the minor ones just to make it look like they&#39;re doing something...

steynboi
22-11-08, 07:42 PM
You know if i was in south africa at the time i would have no hesistation to pull the trigger at them even if i did go to jail i think it would make alot of people happy.

Gay-Guy
22-11-08, 09:43 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steve-o @ Nov 22 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=361905')</div>
You know the Springbok emblem has actually been revamped several times already. From 1906 to
around 1995 the Springbok was jumping to the left, but the ANC that it symbolizes &#39;looking to the past&#39;. So they swapped it around. Ok...
Then the they said that the Springbok over the Protea flower represents dominance over black people (the Protea was the symbol used for the black national rugby team). That was around 1999 I think.
And now we&#39;re at the current emblem with the Protea above the Springbok but they say the Protea has to be bigger than the Springbok.[/b]
Lucky for us a silver fern is quite simple. *Yet even though*we*have the silver fern*as*our national sporting emblem our team/s all have different names...from All Blacks/Black Ferns/Silver Ferns/Blacks Caps/Black Socks/Tall Blacks/All Whites/Black Sticks/Black Cocks (yes its*true)/Wheel Blacks/etc...

We even name our sporting machines in a similar vein (Black Magic/Black Beauty).

Then you get the rebel team that wants to do its own thing...the Kiwis with a kiwi as its logo. *However they had no choice as they were the rebels against the rugby establishment and had no choice but to adopt a non fern symbol...though they still gave their allegiance to NZ by wearing a black uniform. *They have duly been forgiven for their sins of 100 years ago with this weekends victory.

ChiefsFan
23-11-08, 06:43 AM
What else would the Kiwis be though... Black Boots?

Imagine if SA&#39;s national team was called the All Whites/Blacks. There would be more problems then...

Gay-Guy
23-11-08, 09:17 AM
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What else would the Kiwis be though... Black Boots?[/b]
Hehe...yeah we need to give them a name.

Radman
23-11-08, 09:26 AM
They don&#39;t need a name, they&#39;ve got the title as World Champion Kiwi Rugby League Team.

How sweet it is to be for the next 5, yes 5 years. :bravo:

shazbooger
02-12-08, 12:25 PM
Three pages of posts from people all around the world and not one person has mentioned the

big elephant in the room

That is kinda scary.

Fantasy King
02-12-08, 01:46 PM
If the Springboks have to change to the Proteas like our cricket team, does that mean also mean that our football team, Bafana Bafana will change to Proteas come the 2010 World Cup?

Jer1cho
02-12-08, 01:56 PM
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If the Springboks have to change to the Proteas like our cricket team, does that mean also mean that our football team, Bafana Bafana will change to Proteas come the 2010 World Cup?[/b]

No. Because the majority of soccer supporters here a black. So the decision would not **** off enough white people to actually warrant the effort.

shazbooger
03-12-08, 01:40 PM
Ahhh f*** it, as no one else has I will (and the topic is fading)

The Elephant: Surely 40 years under an Apartheid regime grants them the right to stick a fecking Hippo on the shirt if they want to (once it represents the majority). Just because 15-20 years have passed doesnt make the past go away. Moving (not removing) the Bok emblem shouldnt cause any kind of reaction like this. Its the other politics that are causing the problem, this is more a symptom of the problem as opposed to the problem itself.

Its clear that the ideals portrayed in 1995 have faded and lines are being drawn again. Add corrupt, seemingly inept and dangerously tribal politics into the mix, and you have an open invitation to get the f*** out of the country. I dont live there, havent been there but from an outsiders point of view it looks as if the country is going to ****. Slowly but surely going to ****.

I sympathise, but at the same time, it is a problem of your own making.

DonBilly
03-12-08, 02:01 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wizard From Oz @ Nov 22 2008, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=361924')</div>
Sure I can see some people wanting to identify the Springboks with some of the troubles that have befallen South Africa. But you know what - Rugby and the Springboks were around long before those events.[/b]

As far as I understood segregation was strong before the apartheid officially started, saffa posters can let us know if this was the case. So apartheid was rather the formalisation of what was already ongoing. I fear that still for most of the very long history of SA Rugby segregation and/or apartheid was the norm.

Prestwick
03-12-08, 03:43 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Dec 3 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=364656')</div>
Ahhh f*** it, as no one else has I will (and the topic is fading)

The Elephant: Surely 40 years under an Apartheid regime grants them the right to stick a fecking Hippo on the shirt if they want to (once it represents the majority). Just because 15-20 years have passed doesnt make the past go away. Moving (not removing) the Bok emblem shouldnt cause any kind of reaction like this. Its the other politics that are causing the problem, this is more a symptom of the problem as opposed to the problem itself.

Its clear that the ideals portrayed in 1995 have faded and lines are being drawn again. Add corrupt, seemingly inept and dangerously tribal politics into the mix, and you have an open invitation to get the f*** out of the country. I dont live there, havent been there but from an outsiders point of view it looks as if the country is going to ****. Slowly but surely going to ****.

I sympathise, but at the same time, it is a problem of your own making.[/b]

This is bang on and is more or less my view as well. The news and reports we get through up here are alarming. Everything, from the high murder rate of white farmers through the chronic and shambolic lack of investment in things such as power and water and (an admittedly hardcore minority) of ANC activists swearing oaths to kill anyone who oppose them or their designated candidate whose theme song is "Bring me my machine gun", everything points to a gradual slide in the wrong direction.

With a South African government more at home with snuggling up to and backing to the hilt suspect and frankly monstrous regimes such as Burma, Sudan and Zimbabwe and so much more, people have a right to be cynical and pessimistic about South Africa&#39;s chances.

Riaan
13-12-08, 01:30 PM
SPRINGBOK will forver live long