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DonBilly
30-05-05, 12:24 PM
Here are the clubs that qualified for the 2006 H-cup:

England : London Wasps, Leicester, Sale, Bath, Saracens, Leeds
France : Biarritz, Bourgoin, Stade Français, Stade Toulousain, Castres, Clermont Auvergne, Perpignan
Ireland : Munster, Leinster, Ulster
Italy : Calvisano, Trévise
Scotland : Glasgow, Edimbourg
Wales : Neath-Swansea Ospreys, Newport Gwent Dragons, Llanelli, Cardiff.

SmokeyMonkey
14-06-05, 09:02 PM
And here are the groups:

1. Munster, Castres Olympique, Sale Sharks, Newport Gwent Dragons

2. Calvisano, Perpignan, Leeds Tykes, Cardiff Blues

3. Ospreys, Stade Francais, Leicester Tigers, Clermont Auvergne

4. Biarritz Olympique, Saracens, Ulster, Benetton Treviso

5. Glasgow, Bourgoin, Bath, Leinster

6. London Wasps, Toulouse, Llanelli Scarlets, Edinburgh

el_tk
14-06-05, 09:58 PM
Group 2 is a joke- Who came up with the seedings?

loratadine
14-06-05, 10:04 PM
i know, i think cardiff blues could have chance, they can beat calvisano and leeds, and could on there day beat perpignan.
group 1 munster
group 2 blues
group 3 really is too close to call, but i think the ospreys will suprise a few people.
group 4 biarritz
group 5 leinster
group 6 tolouse

best runners up scarlets, and whoever finnishes second in group 3

SaintsFan_Webby
15-06-05, 07:56 AM
Cardiff couldn't beat an egg, Leeds or Perpingan will take group 2, although it is a very poor draw. Pools 3 and 6 should, in theory, produce the best games, with lots of Anglo-French confrontations.

loratadine
15-06-05, 09:31 AM
cardiff are improving and they have signed rush from auckland and promising scrum half mike phillips from the scarlets.

SaintsFan_Webby
15-06-05, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jun 15 2005, 10:31 AM
cardiff are improving and they have signed rush from auckland and promising scrum half mike phillips from the scarlets.
They were lucky to get into the competition at all, I don't see them doing anything special.

Symclaw
15-06-05, 11:54 AM
Scarlets, runner up? My heart says yes, but how good are wasps.

SaintsFan_Webby
15-06-05, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Symclaw@Jun 15 2005, 12:54 PM
Scarlets, runner up? My heart says yes, but how good are wasps.
Certainly better than Llanelli. We beat them home and away in last season&#39;s competition, and look where we finished in the league. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Symclaw
15-06-05, 02:48 PM
I god damn well know you did, you son of a pig. A lot of new signings for next season though. Hope they "gel".

SaintsFan_Webby
15-06-05, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Symclaw@Jun 15 2005, 03:48 PM
A lot of new signings for next season though. Hope they "gel".
For who, Scarlets or Saints? Or both for that matter?

harrison2468
15-06-05, 03:18 PM
Scherbrina(spelling?) has gone 2 Cardiff from Saints because of overseas players

sarries fan
15-06-05, 04:30 PM
not too bad draw for saracens and some good away trips so couldnt wish for much more, hopefully we can beat trevisso and ulster and maybe just maybe if we put a good enough performance in beat biarritz in the home leg http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif !!

Symclaw
15-06-05, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@Jun 16 2005, 03:00 AM
For who, Scarlets or Saints? Or both for that matter?
yea, both. But i am a scarlets fan, when did Northampton turn into Real Madrid?

SaintsFan_Webby
15-06-05, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Symclaw+Jun 15 2005, 06:12 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Symclaw @ Jun 15 2005, 06:12 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-SaintsFan_Webby@Jun 16 2005, 03:00 AM
For who, Scarlets or Saints? Or both for that matter?
yea, both. But i am a scarlets fan, when did Northampton turn into Real Madrid? [/b]
Never been to Franklins Bernabeau? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

We haven&#39;t go that many big name players really. Reihana, Spencer and Thompson are the only world renouned names in our squad.

Bullitt
15-06-05, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby+Jun 16 2005, 06:30 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Webby @ Jun 16 2005, 06:30 AM)</div>

Originally posted by Symclaw@Jun 15 2005, 06:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SaintsFan_Webby@Jun 16 2005, 03:00 AM
For who, Scarlets or Saints? Or both for that matter?
yea, both. But i am a scarlets fan, when did Northampton turn into Real Madrid?
Never been to Franklins Bernabeau? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

We haven&#39;t go that many big name players really. Reihana, Spencer and Thompson are the only world renouned names in our squad. [/b]
Cohen... Tom Smith...

SaintsFan_Webby
15-06-05, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by Teh Mite+Jun 15 2005, 07:54 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jun 15 2005, 07:54 PM)</div>

Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@Jun 16 2005, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Symclaw@Jun 15 2005, 06:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-SaintsFan_Webby@Jun 16 2005, 03:00 AM
For who, Scarlets or Saints? Or both for that matter?
yea, both. But i am a scarlets fan, when did Northampton turn into Real Madrid?
Never been to Franklins Bernabeau? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

We haven&#39;t go that many big name players really. Reihana, Spencer and Thompson are the only world renouned names in our squad.
Cohen... Tom Smith... [/b]
Cohen&#39;s on **** form, and Smith is coming towards the end of his career. Those are the three really big names currently at their peak.

Symclaw
16-06-05, 09:46 AM
Ok then real madrid, maybe a bit of an over statement. But that&#39;s all i&#39;m hearin is, Saints sign, blah blah blah.


Blah blah blah, hell of a player!

An Tarbh
16-06-05, 01:38 PM
Certainly a sense of déjà vu, bit of a dissappointment not to get a different draw but we should still qualify even if we do get more of a test from Bourgoin.

SaintsFan_Webby
16-06-05, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Symclaw@Jun 16 2005, 10:46 AM
But that&#39;s all i&#39;m hearin is, Saints sign, blah blah blah.
Being fair, we are losing about half of our squad. If we didn&#39;t make new signings we&#39;d be more screwed than we were last season. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Symclaw
16-06-05, 10:34 PM
oh ok then. Bit like the scarlets then. There&#39;s been one hell of a spring clean at stradey park

keltsrugby
17-06-05, 12:52 PM
Sym; I think you will be really happy with Mike Hercus. He didn&#39;t get that much time at Sale but he&#39;s a really smart player. Guy that I played with that met him at the Eagles camp said he&#39;s a cocky ******* though. Still think he will improve your side.

Symclaw
17-06-05, 04:02 PM
Oh thanks for that. I did hear something from a friend of a friend about him lookin the bussiness in training. Though that may be bull.

An Tarbh
21-09-05, 08:47 PM
Leinster confirmed today that they will play their pool games at the RDS instead of Lansdowne Rd this season. The capacity for the ground will be 13500 which is a decent support, should get a decent enough atmosphere for the games, more like Donnybrook used to be and better than an empty Lansdowne. Looks like the Leinster branch have to pay for the installation of floodlights though. They&#39;ll play a Celtic League match against Cardiff on October 15 to get the players and fans used to the venue ahead of the European games.

An Tarbh
23-09-05, 07:16 AM
With 70000 tickets sold for their match against Stade Toulousain, Stade Français have a headache ahead of their HEC match with Leicester, where do they play the match, Stade Jean Bouin is too small, PSG don&#39;t seem keen on letting the Parc des Princes be used and another 4 stadiums have put their name forward, Stade Felix Bollaert in Lens, King Baudoin in Brussels, Stade Veledrome in Marseilles and the Stade Saint-Symphorien in Metz. Only problem with them 4 is the access for the home fans. Maybe if they could get somewhere like Charlety which is 20000 that might solve the problem.

harrison2468
19-10-05, 04:56 PM
The fixtures this week-end and predictions.

21 October 2005
Sale v Munster, 19:30
Ulster v Treviso, 19:30
Bourgoin v Glasgow, 19:30
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22 October 2005
Castres v Newport-Gwent D&#39;gons, 17:15
Calvisano v Perpignan, 13:00
Cardiff v Leeds, 13:00
Leicester v Clermont Auvergne, 14:45
Leinster v Bath, 17:15
Toulouse v Llanelli Scarlets, 15:00
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23 October 2005
Ospreys v Stade Francais, 15:00
Saracens vBiarritz, 15:00
Edinburgh v Wasps, 13:00

An Tarbh
19-10-05, 05:28 PM
Injuries are certainly mounting up for Leinster ahead of the visit of Bath to the RDS, Hickie, Miller and Warner are all out, whether Rob Kearney starts is an interesting question, I&#39;d start him given his form so far. Think it&#39;ll be a close one, don&#39;t know how to call it at this stage.

Munster going to Sale is a good one to start the competition off with, given their Celtic league form they&#39;ll go to Edgley Park with plenty of confidence. Peter Stringer has been included in the squad despite his recent injury problems. O&#39;Connell will be a big loss but it should be a hum dinger given Sales win over Wasps, so confidence won&#39;t be a problem for either team.

sarries fan
19-10-05, 06:52 PM
I think sarries vs Biarritz will be a game to watch as there is no doubt on our day we could give them a good game, we could do with tevita vaikona and richard haughton bak , and if castaignede performs we culd b in with a shout


fingers crossd

el_tk
19-10-05, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by sarries fan@Oct 19 2005, 06:52 PM
richard haughton
That guy is incredible, he should be playing for England, along with Ugo Monye.

sarries fan
19-10-05, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Oct 20 2005, 07:12 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Oct 20 2005, 07:12 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-sarries fan@Oct 19 2005, 06:52 PM
richard haughton
That guy is incredible, he should be playing for England, along with Ugo Monye. [/b]
agreed at one time his defense was poor but now he is one of the best tacklers we have and from what he has done so far this season he seems to be bak on form,

saracens "possible" backline (including farrell with no injuries)

9, Kyran bracken/mosese rauluni/alan dickens
10, Glen Jackson,
11, Richard Haughton,
12, Andy Farrell,
13, Thomas castaignede
14, Tevita Vaikona,
15, Dan Scarbrough

An Tarbh
20-10-05, 08:40 AM
it&#39;s not a bad thing to be catching Biarritz on the opening weekend, the last 2 seasons against Leinster and Wasps they&#39;ve been distinctly mediocre so there&#39;s certainly hope for Saracens.

robbinho
20-10-05, 02:08 PM
Biarritz at home for the first game is a good draw, they were awful against Wasps last season in the first. But you do need to balance that with their perofrmance at Welford Road where they blew the Tigers away.

Don&#39;t want to jinx Bath, but Leinster don&#39;t look as strong as they did last year - no DOB, Holwell or Hickie - should be a good game if we can keep up the levels of commitment we showed agsint Gloucester.

All these games on TV are reigniting my interest in Sky+.....

el_tk
20-10-05, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by robbinho@Oct 20 2005, 02:08 PM
Biarritz at home for the first game is a good draw, they were awful against Wasps last season in the first. But you do need to balance that with their perofrmance at Welford Road where they blew the Tigers away.

Don&#39;t want to jinx Bath, but Leinster don&#39;t look as strong as they did last year - no DOB, Holwell or Hickie - should be a good game if we can keep up the levels of commitment we showed agsint Gloucester.

All these games on TV are reigniting my interest in Sky+.....
Leinster are also now without the handicap of Guy Easterby and Christian Warner and D&#39;Arcy and Horgan looked sharp last week. The line-out will probably improve with the return of O&#39;Kelly

loratadine
20-10-05, 09:23 PM
i cant wait for this heineken cup,

i hope for some shocks along the way.

An Tarbh
20-10-05, 09:34 PM
Was reading somewhere about the possibility of no English teams qualifying for the quarter finals.

Makes interesting reading alright, but to be honest I can&#39;t see it happening.

It&#39;s not beyond the realm of possibility that Munster, Perpignan, Stade Français, Biarritz, Leinster and Stade Toulousain could all top their groups while anyone of Castres, Ulster or Bourgoin could pick up the runner-up spots.

In reality methinks that Wasps, Sale and Leeds have more than realistic chances of qualifying so I doubt there&#39;ll be no English representation in the knockout stages.

Could be the end of an era for the Irish clubs, as there is the distinct possibility that all 3 provinces could fall at the first hurdle. Maybe I&#39;m being a bit pessimistic though.

An Tarbh
21-10-05, 11:19 PM
Mixed fortunes for the Irish sides tonight, Munster going down in Sale while Ulster saw off the challenge of Treviso, elsewhere Bourgoin managaed to beat Glasgow and get their campaign off to a positive start, after last years fiasco. I thought Bourgoin might pick up a bonus point in that one but at least they have a win and it&#39;s good for Leinster and Bath that they failed to do so.

SaintsFan_Webby
22-10-05, 09:05 AM
Great start for Sale. Nice to see Bourgoin actually taking the competition seriously this year as well.

Sale and Wasps, Leicester if they step up, are the leading English contenders to qualify. Leeds have no chance the way they are playing at the moment, they are dire.

An Tarbh
22-10-05, 09:31 AM
but they have got the easiest pool which boosts their chances.

Saint N Sinner
22-10-05, 09:41 AM
Yeah, but have you seen there stats in the GP?? They haven&#39;t won a single game yet, only gaining a losing bonus point. And with Justin Marshall in their side I&#39;m suprised.

Il go with SFW&#39;s prediction, but its only just hot me how harsh it is not to be included in the HC for the first time in 6 years http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

An Tarbh
22-10-05, 09:48 AM
but they proved last season that league form doesn&#39;t matter a damn when it comes to the cup competitions.

harrison2468
22-10-05, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Oct 22 2005, 09:48 PM
but they proved last season that league form doesn&#39;t matter a damn when it comes to the cup competitions.
Also Bath in 2002/2003 I think, were awlful in the league but won 6 from 6 in their poo and qualified to the quarters. League form can&#39;t always be used when judging cup games.

An Tarbh
22-10-05, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by saintsfan24_7@Oct 22 2005, 11:41 AM
Yeah, but have you seen there stats in the GP?? They haven&#39;t won a single game yet, only gaining a losing bonus point. And with Justin Marshall in their side I&#39;m suprised.

Il go with SFW&#39;s prediction, but its only just hot me how harsh it is not to be included in the HC for the first time in 6 years http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
OK point taken, certainly looks like a dismal performance today in Wales with Cardiff coming away with a bonus point win, and even better news for the Blues with Perpignan failing to pick up a bonus point in their win over Calvisano.

loratadine
22-10-05, 02:52 PM
well the blues destroyed leeds 40-13

loratadine
22-10-05, 04:00 PM
highly enjoyable game between tolouse and the scarlets

50-28

DonBilly
22-10-05, 04:20 PM
The Toulouse - Llanelli was a bit boring with the uncontested scrums and Llanelli not struggling.

loratadine
22-10-05, 04:25 PM
i thought some of the attacking phases and turn overs by both teams made it a highly entertaining game i really enjoyed the battle between maka and popham.

and mike phillips owned marshall in the blues vs tykes game.

harrison2468
22-10-05, 05:08 PM
Latest in Leinster:

Leinster 13 - 9(13 - 9) Bath L
Tries:
F Contepomi
Pens:
F Contepomi Pens:O Barkley 3
Drops:
F Contepomi
Cons:
F Contepomi

Good old Felipe, full house already. He loves tormenting Bath http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Leicester look serious as do Toulouse, both their pools along with Wasps and Stade will be very interesting. The four strongest teams in just two pools.

An Tarbh
22-10-05, 05:40 PM
Nigel Whitehouse is taking the f***ing **** in this game, he doesn&#39;t even know the f***ing laws, since when was a deliberate knock on only penalised with a scrum, since when do closeline tackles not get a yellow card, since when does the attacking team with advanatge losing posession mean advantage over. f***wit, trying to compete with Spreadbury for his incompetence.

An Tarbh
22-10-05, 05:43 PM
Barkley takes more than the customary few feet in moving the penalty forward, yet this prick Whitehouse lets him away with it.

SmokeyMonkey
22-10-05, 05:47 PM
Latest Castres 29-24 Dragons Come on!

SmokeyMonkey
22-10-05, 05:53 PM
Yes! From 29-10 down we get a bonus point!

loratadine
22-10-05, 05:53 PM
UNLUCKY DRAGONS - PLAYED VERY GOOD,LOOSING BONUS POINT THOUGH

An Tarbh
22-10-05, 06:05 PM
Thank you very much Nigel ****ehouse.

Definite work to be done for Leinster, they should have put Bath away tonight but I hope that Welsh prick gets food poisoning in the post match meal.

Too many mistakes in the lineout, work has to be done there. Bring back Shane Byrne, can&#39;t always blame the hooker.

harrison2468
22-10-05, 06:27 PM
Oh man Leinster lost http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Refing this season seems to be extremely ****.

loratadine
23-10-05, 03:49 PM
yes wasps loosing and ospreys winning against stade.

edinburgh_gunner
23-10-05, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 23 2005, 04:49 PM
yes wasps loosing and ospreys winning against stade.
Let me tell you how happy everyone was at Murrayfield tonight, felt great winding up the wasps fans.

loratadine
23-10-05, 04:18 PM
good win for the gunners and equally good for the ospreys

el_tk
23-10-05, 04:44 PM
Fair play to Edinburgh, I thought they&#39;d get stuffed. Strange to see the Ospereys going from needing a dodgy penalty to beat Connacht to beating Stade Francais.

edinburgh_gunner
23-10-05, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by el_tk@Oct 23 2005, 05:44 PM
Fair play to Edinburgh, I thought they&#39;d get stuffed. Strange to see the Ospereys going from needing a dodgy penalty to beat Connacht to beating Stade Francais.
I think some of the players thought they were in for a doing aswell cause we were slow to start but once it was 13-13 they got some belief in them that they could do something and that was the turning point. My throat is very hoarse from yelling at the game though.

harrison2468
23-10-05, 05:11 PM
Well done all the home teams today, showing the worth of away victories.

Toulouse and Leicester will definitely go into the away games versus Ospreys and Gunners more determined now.

sarries fan
23-10-05, 05:32 PM
saracens won today against Biarritz

22-10

loratadine
23-10-05, 05:55 PM
good opening weekend for the welsh clubs winning two from four.

Muse_Cubed
23-10-05, 06:26 PM
Hugh Vyvyan? 40-yard droppy? What&#39;s going on? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

sarries fan
23-10-05, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Muse_Cubed@Oct 24 2005, 06:26 AM
Hugh Vyvyan? 40-yard droppy? What&#39;s going on? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif
yeah we were brilliant today it was one of those matches where he would have got it from our own try line http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

our defense was awesome
9/10 were dump tackles

sarries fan
23-10-05, 07:58 PM
quite alot of upsets this week then with stade francais, biarritz and wasps losing

getofmeland
23-10-05, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Oct 22 2005, 07:27 PM
Oh man Leinster lost http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Refing this season seems to be extremely ****.
At the end of the day winning is winning.....

There seems to be some passion in the way Bath are playing at the moment, just got back from Leinster game, absolutly hanging, far too much guinness, was meant to be flying this morning but got refused on the plane home, so called to drunk to fly.... so they put me on a later flight... I have also just realised I have left my mobile somewhere and i cant find it..... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

edinburgh_gunner
23-10-05, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Oct 22 2005, 07:27 PM
Oh man Leinster lost http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Refing this season seems to be extremely ****.
I agree, the standard of some of the refing in the Celtic League has been worringly poor.

harrison2468
24-10-05, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by getofmeland+Oct 24 2005, 10:27 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (getofmeland @ Oct 24 2005, 10:27 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Oct 22 2005, 07:27 PM
Oh man Leinster lost http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

Refing this season seems to be extremely ****.
At the end of the day winning is winning.....

There seems to be some passion in the way Bath are playing at the moment, just got back from Leinster game, absolutly hanging, far too much guinness, was meant to be flying this morning but got refused on the plane home, so called to drunk to fly.... so they put me on a later flight... I have also just realised I have left my mobile somewhere and i cant find it..... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif [/b]
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif I would be disappointed with you if you went to Ireland for the week-end and weren&#39;t left hanging!

Congrats to Bath, an away win is very precious for them, but I was obviously hoping for a Leinster win, with Felipe playing for them, and you are Bath.

SaintsFan_Webby
24-10-05, 08:09 AM
Some huge upsets, particularly Edinburgh&#39;s last gasp victory over Wasps (ex-Saint scored the winning try http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif )

Toulouse still look ominously good though, it&#39;s going to take one hell of a performance for someone to stop them the way they are going.

DonBilly
24-10-05, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by sarries fan@Oct 24 2005, 07:58 AM
quite alot of upsets this week then with stade francais, biarritz and wasps losing
Yes indeed, but the worst of these three was Biarritz. They don&#39;t manage to get a bonus point.

edinburgh_gunner
24-10-05, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@Oct 24 2005, 09:09 AM
Some huge upsets, particularly Edinburgh&#39;s last gasp victory over Wasps (ex-Saint scored the winning try http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif )

Toulouse still look ominously good though, it&#39;s going to take one hell of a performance for someone to stop them the way they are going.
Simon Webster is also registered as Currie player so that means he is a legend. Well....all players from Currie are aren&#39;t they? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

robbinho
24-10-05, 03:00 PM
Um.... we&#39;ll have to take your word for that pal!

edinburgh_gunner
24-10-05, 03:42 PM
ahh, I play for Currie aswell, just at under 18 level, despite only being 15 and the youngest player in the League.

SaintsFan_Webby
24-10-05, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by edinburgh_gunner+Oct 24 2005, 01:45 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (edinburgh_gunner @ Oct 24 2005, 01:45 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-SaintsFan_Webby@Oct 24 2005, 09:09 AM
Some huge upsets, particularly Edinburgh&#39;s last gasp victory over Wasps (ex-Saint scored the winning try* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif )

Toulouse still look ominously good though, it&#39;s going to take one hell of a performance for someone to stop them the way they are going.
Simon Webster is also registered as Currie player so that means he is a legend. Well....all players from Currie are aren&#39;t they? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif [/b]
No idea who Currie are, but I&#39;ll take you&#39;re word that it&#39;s a good thing. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

loratadine
27-10-05, 10:09 PM
whos currie

An Tarbh
27-10-05, 10:14 PM
Scottish club

loratadine
28-10-05, 10:12 PM
bad night for welsh regions, although most teams struggle against perpignan away, i think theyll still progress as best runners up.

harrison2468
28-10-05, 10:17 PM
What Cardiff! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

What about the Dragons, so much for the Tigers being serious. Sale BLEW them away! Sale could really do some damage this season in both the GP and HEC, I reckon a semi for them.

Leeds nearly got stung by Calvisano, but grouped at the end to win with a bonus point.

edinburgh_gunner
29-10-05, 08:41 AM
Edinburgh should beat Llanelli tonight, hopefully with a bonus point. But then again, we could mess it up.

loratadine
29-10-05, 10:50 AM
edingborough wiont beat llanelli by a bonus point thats just silly, llanelli if they play like they can play - they will beat the gunners by about 10 points at least.

sarries fan
29-10-05, 11:05 AM
saracens against treviso today should get a 5 point win hopefuly and its out of order that we are only on t.v 1 time in the group stage

SaintsFan_Webby
29-10-05, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 29 2005, 11:50 AM
edingborough wiont beat llanelli by a bonus point thats just silly, llanelli if they play like they can play - they will beat the gunners by about 10 points at least.
The Gunners beat Wasps, I don&#39;t see any reason why they shouldn&#39;t beat the Scarlets convincingly if they play well.

SmokeyMonkey
29-10-05, 04:16 PM
Well they didn&#39;t: Scarlets 15 - 13 Edinburgh http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

edinburgh_gunner
29-10-05, 06:13 PM
We must have played bad tonight, Cause we&#39;re better than Llanelli - look at the Celtic League mate! We beat Wasps...will you? Naw probably not. Still, it&#39;s a bonus point and we&#39;re still ahead on points. We need something now from the Tolouse match at Murrayfield and then we just bum Llanelli at Murrayfield. We&#39;ll still finnish above you though.

edinburgh_gunner
29-10-05, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 29 2005, 11:50 AM
edingborough wiont beat llanelli by a bonus point thats just silly, llanelli if they play like they can play - they will beat the gunners by about 10 points at least.
Quite possibly, the worst spelling of Edinburgh I&#39;ve ever seen. Surley you should know how to spell Edinburgh, it&#39;s a capital city....tut tut. Did you opt out of school?

loratadine
29-10-05, 06:49 PM
nah - im taking an a level in english - you cannot say the gunners are better than the scarlets because they are above them in the cl, the welsh regions aint really taking the cl seriously, we want out of the celtic league, we only went back there until we find something better.

harrison2468
29-10-05, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 30 2005, 06:49 AM
nah - im taking an a level in english - you cannot say the gunners are better than the scarlets because they are above them in the cl, the welsh regions aint really taking the cl seriously, we want out of the celtic league, we only went back there until we find something better.
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Garbage. The Celtic League was the quality of the GP when Ospreys won it last year, but now the Welsh regions are doing crap, it is nothing to them. You say that the English clubs not taking the PC seriously shows a lack of passion, where is your Celtic passion eh?

League standings don&#39;t matter Lora, true. Wales were above England in the 6N last year, but aren&#39;t a better team. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Also, what does taking an A-Level in English actually prove?

sarries fan
29-10-05, 08:07 PM
how the grouos currently stand;

Heineken Cup : Pool 1 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Sale 2 2 0 0 65 24 1 9
2 Munster 2 1 0 1 55 43 1 5
3 Castres 2 1 0 1 45 66 1 5
4 Newport-Gwent D&#39;gons 2 0 0 2 35 67 1 1

Heineken Cup : Pool 2 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Perpignan 2 2 0 0 62 20 1 9
2 Cardiff 2 1 0 1 54 50 1 5
3 Leeds 2 1 0 1 46 56 1 5
4 Calvisano 2 0 0 2 22 58 0 0

Heineken Cup : Pool 3 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Leicester 2 1 0 1 63 35 2 6
2 Stade Francais 2 1 0 1 20 19 1 5
3 Ospreys 1 1 0 0 13 8 0 4
4 Clermont Auvergne 1 0 0 1 23 57 0 0

Heineken Cup : Pool 4 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Saracens 2 2 0 0 52 27 0 8
2 Biarritz 2 1 0 1 43 41 1 5
3 Ulster 2 1 0 1 46 33 1 5
4 Treviso 2 0 0 2 17 57 0 0

Heineken Cup : Pool 5 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Bath 2 2 0 0 61 31 1 9
2 Bourgoin 2 1 0 1 28 42 0 4
3 Leinster 1 0 0 1 19 22 1 1
4 Glasgow 1 0 0 1 3 16 0 0

Heineken Cup : Pool 6 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Toulouse 1 1 0 0 50 28 1 5
2 Edinburgh 2 1 0 1 45 46 1 5
3 Llanelli Scarlets 2 1 0 1 43 63 0 4
4 Wasps 1 0 0 1 31 32 1 1

edinburgh_gunner
29-10-05, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 29 2005, 07:49 PM
nah - im taking an a level in english - you cannot say the gunners are better than the scarlets because they are above them in the cl, the welsh regions aint really taking the cl seriously, we want out of the celtic league, we only went back there until we find something better.
Actually, I can. League position are a measure of a teams progress over a year. So you mean to say that Connacht are just as good as Ulster? Jeeesh, admit Wales are pish at something.

loratadine
29-10-05, 11:02 PM
ok i will as long as you admit scotland are awful all the time, even england are better than them, and england are scraping the barrow,

england will be lucky to beat samoa next month.

SaintsFan_Webby
30-10-05, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 30 2005, 12:02 AM
england will be lucky to beat samoa next month.
No they won&#39;t. Why do you insist of talking rubbish all the time? Samoa will fight hard, but they aren&#39;t going to turn over England at Twickenham.

edinburgh_gunner
30-10-05, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 30 2005, 12:02 AM
ok i will as long as you admit scotland are awful all the time, even england are better than them, and england are scraping the barrow,

england will be lucky to beat samoa next month.
Jesus Christ you are the most aarogant prick I&#39;ve ever heard off. Yes Scotland are playing poorly just now - but if we&#39;re pish all the time how come you&#39;ve hardly beaten us at Murrayfield? The welsh club are in the middle of the Celtic League, meaning they are not exactly setting the heather on fire. I&#39;m not exactly pro-english but I have no problem in recognising a better Rugby team and England are that. You only beat them by what...3 points? England will give Samoa a doing and Scotland should beat them aswell. If your going to talk piash, do it elsewhere.

SaintsFan_Webby
30-10-05, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by edinburgh_gunner@Oct 30 2005, 12:15 PM
You only beat them by what...3 points? England will give Samoa a doing and Scotland should beat them aswell.
2 actually.

One eyed idiocy seems to be the norm in relation to some international rugby at the moment.

edinburgh_gunner
30-10-05, 11:59 AM
Ahh I thought it was 3, any...2 points is nothing, it&#39;s just a missed kick. I agree with saints fan, Loratadine please grow up. You&#39;ll get more respect if you admit that Wales aren&#39;t absolutley amazing.

loratadine
30-10-05, 01:38 PM
2 points is something mate its the difference between winning and loosing, the fact remains - wales deserved to win the six nations as they played the best and most attractive brand of rugby, thats not being big headed its fact,

and i think people need to show samoa some respect they are a volcano waiting to erupt, they have so much talent that one of these days they are going to scalp someone, and it might be england

SaintsFan_Webby
30-10-05, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 30 2005, 03:38 PM
2 points is something mate its the difference between winning and loosing, the fact remains - wales deserved to win the six nations as they played the best and most attractive brand of rugby, thats not being big headed its fact,

and i think people need to show samoa some respect they are a volcano waiting to erupt, they have so much talent that one of these days they are going to scalp someone, and it might be england
Nobody is disputing the fact that Wales deserved to win the 6N in the end, just trying to make you realise that they are far from the best side in international rugby.

As for Samoa scalping a team, I seem to remember that they have done just that to Wales. Twice if memory serves me correctly.

harrison2468
30-10-05, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@Oct 31 2005, 02:41 AM
As for Samoa scalping a team, I seem to remember that they have done just that to Wales. Twice if memory serves me correctly.
Wasn&#39;t it at a World Cup aswell? Samoa are a good team, but just don&#39;t have the resources to beat bigger teams often any more. They have outstanding individuals, Lima is three times the centre Henson is, and Sitti is better than Owen. However, their players are spread out across the world, they don&#39;t have the financial resources of other nations, etc. so it will be a long time before they are up with the big guys, where they deserve to be.

Twickenham this year won&#39;t happen, and if it did, Samoa would be a better team than Wales, since Wales aren&#39;t going to win in London this year. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

harrison2468
30-10-05, 02:41 PM
Anyway, back on topic,

Wasps 6 - Toulouse 7 at the mo.

Looks like Noves was bluffing when he put Jauzion and Pelous on the bench in the team line-up. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

loratadine
30-10-05, 02:50 PM
what a game, clerment 20 - ospreys 11 half time

stephen jones is having a corker, back to his best which is good for wales, not so good for the ospreys, nice to see shane williams pick up a try, im hoping we can pick up an away bp here.

sarries fan
30-10-05, 03:55 PM
London wasps 15-15 Tolouse

inspired come back from wasps but to be honest they shuld hav gon for the try at the end instead of the 3 points, this will probably spell the end of their heineken cup campaign

loratadine
30-10-05, 05:53 PM
i thin in wasps and stades group the table is wide open. with sides taking points of each other.

the ospreys were out muslced today by a classy clerment outfit, they look a different side with stephen pulling the strings.

sarries fan
30-10-05, 08:09 PM
how the groups now stand

Heineken Cup : Pool 1 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Sale 2 2 0 0 65 24 1 9
2 Munster 2 1 0 1 55 43 1 5
3 Castres 2 1 0 1 45 66 1 5
4 Newport-Gwent D&#39;gons 2 0 0 2 35 67 1 1

Heineken Cup : Pool 2 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Perpignan 2 2 0 0 62 20 1 9
2 Cardiff 2 1 0 1 54 50 1 5
3 Leeds 2 1 0 1 46 56 1 5
4 Calvisano 2 0 0 2 22 58 0 0

Heineken Cup : Pool 3 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Leicester 2 1 0 1 63 35 2 6
2 Clermont Auvergne 2 1 0 1 57 71 1 5
3 Stade Francais 2 1 0 1 20 19 1 5
4 Ospreys 2 1 0 1 27 42 0 4

Heineken Cup : Pool 4 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Saracens 2 2 0 0 52 27 0 8
2 Biarritz 2 1 0 1 43 41 1 5
3 Ulster 2 1 0 1 46 33 1 5
4 Treviso 2 0 0 2 17 57 0 0

Heineken Cup : Pool 5 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Bath 2 2 0 0 61 31 1 9
2 Leinster 2 1 0 1 52 42 2 6
3 Bourgoin 2 1 0 1 28 42 0 4
4 Glasgow 2 0 0 2 23 49 0 0

Heineken Cup : Pool 6 Table
Team P W D L F A BP PTS
1 Toulouse 2 1 1 0 65 43 1 7
2 Edinburgh 2 1 0 1 45 46 1 5
3 Llanelli Scarlets 2 1 0 1 43 63 0 4
4 Wasps 2 0 1 1 46 47 1 3

edinburgh_gunner
30-10-05, 08:31 PM
That draw does Edinburgh&#39;s chances wonders. We were really unluck yesterday, 10 minutes of injury time...where the hell did it come from? But cause we didn&#39;t take our chances.... Well it&#39;s unlikley both Llanelli and Edinburgh would go through but it would be great. I think it depends on how Edinburgh fare against Toulouse in december and if we can get bonus points. I don&#39;t think we&#39;ll win in France or England but we might get bonus points there. First time in a while it&#39;s been great to be an Edinburgh fan!!

loratadine
30-10-05, 08:48 PM
good for the gunners, its about time they had something to cheer about.

edinburgh_gunner
30-10-05, 09:03 PM
First sensible thing I&#39;ve heard you say! It would make my chistmas if we beat Toulouse in December. Murrayfield it&#39;s becomming a tough place to play now, we&#39;ve only lost once in 2005 there (I think, but certainly only once in the celtic league)

loratadine
30-10-05, 09:05 PM
i think its only good for euro club rugby if the scottish clubs become competitve, i would certainly like to see a scottish club challenge for the celtic league come the end of the season.

DonBilly
31-10-05, 08:10 AM
I agree with you it will be good for European Rugby if it becomes more balanced, I&#39;d like to see the Scots back and the Italian playing for the top of their pools.

loratadine
31-10-05, 08:33 AM
i think we have a long wait for the italian teams to be more competitive, they show glimpses of it in some matches, but they lack quality in depth.

robbinho
31-10-05, 10:27 AM
Also many of the french teams, especially Stade Francais, take the top Italian players - the Bergamascos, Parisse etc....

loratadine
31-10-05, 10:34 AM
yes, its hard for quality italian players as the euro elite can afford much biiger wages than the likes of calvisano and treviso.

robbinho
31-10-05, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 31 2005, 11:34 PM
yes, its hard for quality italian players as the euro elite can afford much biiger wages than the likes of calvisano and treviso.
Despite how much they whore themselves out with a myriad different sponsors all over their kits!

SaintsFan_Webby
31-10-05, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 31 2005, 10:33 AM
i think we have a long wait for the italian teams to be more competitive, they show glimpses of it in some matches, but they lack quality in depth.
Judging by Viadana, currently 2nd in the Italian league, it will be a VERY long time. They were abyssmal when Saints played them, had the players put any effort in we would have run up a cricket score with very little in reply.

harrison2468
31-10-05, 07:05 PM
Italy&#39;s domestic comp is far too weak at the moment, when Italian teams play in the HEC, the step up is too much for them. The bottom Italian teams would struggle in ND1, so until this is improved, they won&#39;t be extremely competitive in the HEC, although they are capable of the odd upset.

Boy
01-11-05, 09:40 AM
Just thought I&#39;d share some extracts from Monday&#39;s Independent:

"More importantly, a third myth was exploded during the course of Saturday&#39;s thoroughly convincing four-try ravaging of a side good enough to have won six of their opening nine games in the French domestic championship: the one that paints Bath as a blacker than black, forward-obsessed, route-one bunch of rugger-thugs who possess neither the desire or the expertise to stretch their game beyond the bog-standard disciplines of scrum, line-out, ruck and maul. At the weekend, the 1998 champions produced some terrific stuff, and the fact that all four of their tries were scored by tight forwards did not detract one iota from their sense of adventure."

"The final try fell to Grewcock - a new, space-loving, side-stepping, ball-distributing Grewcock who looked every inch the international player everyone thought he no longer was when he bowed out of the Lions tour of New Zealand with another suspension on his record. This was the second time in a fortnight he had stampeded around the Rec like a world-beater. If there is a better second-row forward in England right now, he is playing behind closed doors."

I know most people won&#39;t care, but it&#39;s not often that we get to feel good about ourselves at The Rec.

DonBilly
01-11-05, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by robbinho@Oct 31 2005, 11:27 PM
Also many of the french teams, especially Stade Francais, take the top Italian players - the Bergamascos, Parisse etc....
Yes indeed, what I would expect first is to see the Azzuri showing a much better Rugby. Maybe next year with their new coach they may win more than one test match during the VI Nations tournament.

loratadine
01-11-05, 08:22 PM
i doubt that will happen next year.

DonBilly
02-11-05, 07:35 AM
I don&#39;t know for sure. By the way which teams are they going to face at home?

An Tarbh
02-11-05, 08:03 AM
Scotland and England, slim chance against the Scots but not really as I think Hadden will do a decent job.

DonBilly
03-11-05, 02:37 AM
Berbizier too, after all he brought the France team to RWC1995 SF and were about to qualify for the Final. They defeated then England for the 3rd position. He had big issues with the then head of the FFR, Mr. Ferasse, but he&#39;s recognized for his coaching skills.

loratadine
06-12-05, 11:55 AM
well the hec is back this weekend

im looking forward to the scarlets vs wasps
and tigers vs the ospreys

and off course jonah lomu.

DonBilly
06-12-05, 12:20 PM
You should add to your list the Clermont - Stade Français match although I don&#39;t know if Stephen Jones will play.

cavan
06-12-05, 01:16 PM
Ulster - Sarries will be a battle. Friday night on sky sports.

An Tarbh
06-12-05, 08:54 PM
Leinster taking on Bourgoin, can&#39;t see a repeat of last years narrow 85 point victory, would certainly take a 5 point victory. Looks like O&#39;Kelly will be back for Leinster, conflicting reports over O&#39;Driscoll, BBC say he&#39;ll be back for the Ulster game on Dec 26 while the Indo say he could be on the bench this week, can&#39;t see that happening but then maybe the return in Bourgoin the following weekend isn&#39;t too much of a pipedream. He certainly proved his worth in that fixture last year.

edinburgh_gunner
06-12-05, 08:56 PM
Right, based on Edinburgh&#39;s performance last Sunday against Glasgow we&#39;re in for a doing but if we can raise the standard we&#39;re capable of being shock troops again though I do doubt it. I think we can look for a good performance and a bonus point defeat or, at best, a very narrow victory. I&#39;d rather see us concentrate on the League.

cavan
07-12-05, 01:08 PM
BOD was running plays with the backups at Leinster training yesterday. He could sub alright, he&#39;s back doing contact training.

sarries fan
09-12-05, 03:17 PM
Ulster vs saracens tonight on sky sports 2 one of the matches of the weekend, if sarries win we have one foot in the quarter finals, and if Ulster lose they can kiss european rugby goodbye

harrison2468
09-12-05, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by sarries fan@Dec 9 2005, 04:17 PM
Ulster vs saracens tonight on sky sports 2 one of the matches of the weekend, if sarries win we have one foot in the quarter finals, and if Ulster lose they can kiss european rugby goodbye
Wishful thinking, hardly any teams upset Ulster at home.

Although it would be nice to see Saracens in the q-f, it will take a huge effort from them.

sarries fan
09-12-05, 08:24 PM
well we lost anyway, but still wear the crown of being the last team in the Heineken cup to beat Ulster at Ravenhill and to beat tolouse in Tolouse for that fact

Boy
09-12-05, 10:22 PM
Ulster V Sarries was a horrible match, not helped by conditions. Jackson missed some absolute sitters. Got more than a little tired of Kieran Broken&#39;s relentless box-kicking.

When did Sarries beat Toulouse away? I know Bath did it around 2000/01.

An Tarbh
09-12-05, 10:33 PM
Munster did it in 2000 as well.

Good win for Ulster, although the home record might just go against Biarritz, they seem to have developed a nack for winning tricky away games recently.

sarries fan
10-12-05, 09:42 AM
they beat Tolouse away in the 2001 season, when we were last in the heineken cup, it was also the time which we beat Ulster away we did the double on both teams aswell only downfall was being beaten by cariff twice which put us out of even best runners up spot by points difference

An Tarbh
10-12-05, 10:37 AM
Serious result for Sale in Castres coming away with a 20-16 victory, all but guarantees them a quarter final place and pretty much puts Munster&#39;s hopes out the window.

Munster will need to dig deep big time and do something they&#39;ve failed to do on the last 2 occasions and win in Castres, then they might have a chance with the runner-up spots provided they beat the Dragons today.

An Tarbh
10-12-05, 03:53 PM
Jesus having listened to the Munster match on live95fm you&#39;d swear Munster had won the feckin European Cup and the commentator&#39;s head was so far up David Wallace&#39;s and Ronan O&#39;Gara&#39;s ass, you could almost hear the drool falling on the mic. I wonder is Eddie O&#39;Sullivan watching this, every time Wally did something decent.

Good win for Munster but the bonus point was there for the taking so it&#39;s a chance missed in that regard.

Boy
10-12-05, 04:14 PM
Bonus point win for Bath puts them 8 points clear of Leinster and 10 clear of Bourgoin before their match tonight. Leinster really need a bonus point win to stay in the group.

Boy
10-12-05, 05:11 PM
Obviously too much to expect Bourgoin to actually put up any form of resistance. 27-0 to Leinster at the half.

harrison2468
10-12-05, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Boy@Dec 10 2005, 06:11 PM
Obviously too much to expect Bourgoin to actually put up any form of resistance. 27-0 to Leinster at the half.
Wasn&#39;t that the team who Leinster absolutely destroyed 92-0, or something like that, last year?

An Tarbh
10-12-05, 06:30 PM
Yeah but they still had a chance of qualifying going into this game, crucial for Leinster to get the bonus point, hopefully now Bourgoin will put out the reserves next week, not many teams win at Bourgoin, just look at their league record. Will still take a massive effort from Leinster to win over there despite their campaign being all but over.

harrison2468
10-12-05, 07:15 PM
Why do Bourgoin not take the HEC that seriously? They surely aren&#39;t that many points worse than Leinster!

An Tarbh
10-12-05, 07:27 PM
They don&#39;t have the money to compete in 2 tournaments although if the coaches words were anything to go by this week it sounded like Bourgoin meant business this time round.

Their priority is the Top 14, qualifying for Europe gives them a big payday, hence why they wouldn&#39;t want to forfeit their place plus they don&#39;t have a sugardaddy backing them unless I&#39;m mistaken.

Coco
10-12-05, 08:20 PM
If Bourgoin meant business today, you wouldn&#39;t have known in! Leinster absolutely destroyed them - they ran in other 50 point!

Coco

An Tarbh
10-12-05, 09:27 PM
I don&#39;t know what the story will be with O&#39;Driscoll for next week, too many conflicting reports over his availability, I say don&#39;t rush it, the Ulster match is plenty time for him to regain his fitness.

Results so far this weekend

Castres 16 - 20 Sale
Ulster 19 - 10 Saracens
Bath 31 - 26 Glasgow
Calvisano 10 - 25 Cardiff Blues
Clermont Auvergne 12 - 16 Stade Francais
Edinburgh 13 - 20 Toulouse
Leinster 53 - 7 Bourgoin
Newport-Gwent D&#39;gons 8 - 24 Munster

No try for Lomu in his comeback match but too much to expect methinks, give him another match at least.

el_tk
10-12-05, 09:48 PM
Ryle on RTE 2 said he was talking to BOD and the man himself reckons Stephen&#39;s Day against Ulster. After today I don&#39;t see the need to rush him back.

A classic Swerve from Girv, Kearney generally being the best thing since the toasted-sandwich maker and so forth.

Brian Blaney looked a lot more solid than Jackman or his brother have so far this season, but both the brothers look better than Jackman.

An Tarbh
10-12-05, 10:29 PM
Jesus if Jackman could sort out his lineout demons we&#39;d be in far better shape alright, good to see Blaney coming on.

Who&#39;s Jowitt who got the last try?

loratadine
10-12-05, 10:41 PM
good player.

An Tarbh
10-12-05, 10:50 PM
got any more info than that?

harrison2468
11-12-05, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 10 2005, 08:27 PM
They don&#39;t have the money to compete in 2 tournaments although if the coaches words were anything to go by this week it sounded like Bourgoin meant business this time round.

Their priority is the Top 14, qualifying for Europe gives them a big payday, hence why they wouldn&#39;t want to forfeit their place plus they don&#39;t have a sugardaddy backing them unless I&#39;m mistaken.
I understand their position, but it devalues the tournament IMO. I feel sorry for their fans tbh. How do they fare at home in the competetion?

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 01:43 PM
beaten 34-0 by Treviso last year, they ran Leinster close after the drubbing last year but O&#39;Driscoll got a classy try and we won by 3 points, and Bath won there as well but both teams were gone at that stage.

This year they&#39;d beaten Glasgow at home so their campaign certainly wasn&#39;t dead coming to the RDS yesterday.

harrison2468
11-12-05, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 11 2005, 02:43 PM
beaten 34-0 by Treviso last year, they ran Leinster close after the drubbing last year but O&#39;Driscoll got a classy try and we won by 3 points, and Bath won there as well but both teams were gone at that stage.

This year they&#39;d beaten Glasgow at home so their campaign certainly wasn&#39;t dead coming to the RDS yesterday.
Treviso 34-0 lost at home! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif

It would be hard to prove, but you may as well ban them, their place would be better given to another Italian team to gain some experience. Nobody likes to see drubbings like that really.

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 01:54 PM
Wasps&#39; chances of qualifying were severly dented today after going down to Llanelli 21-13 at Stradey, not even a losing bonus point to show for their efforts.

They&#39;re surely gone now, can&#39;t see anyone beating Stade Toulousain at home. If Llanelli can complete the double next week there&#39;s no reason why they can&#39;t get one of the best runner-up spots.

edinburgh_gunner
11-12-05, 02:07 PM
Llanelli will have to beat Edinburgh at Murrayfield though, and that&#39;s not likley to happen. I was supposed to go to the game as I&#39;m a season ticket holder but I got concussion during my game and had to spend overnight in Hospital.

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 02:10 PM
you say that now but what confidence they&#39;ll have going into that game if they complete the double over Wasps, plus after yesterday and most likely next week Edinburgh won&#39;t have any interest left in the competition.

edinburgh_gunner
11-12-05, 02:35 PM
But we had points from every game. I don&#39;t know how well we played yersterday but we should&#39;ve beaten Llanalli at Stradey Park, It was just the stupid amount of stopage time playerd that cost us.

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 02:39 PM
Granted but you can&#39;t use the stoppage time as an excuse, it&#39;s not as if the refs make a guess and hope for the best.

I&#39;m not saying Llanelli will march on Edinburgh, show up and take the points easily and **** off back south. They only have to look at your match with Wasps and they have a massive warning already.

loratadine
11-12-05, 02:47 PM
llanelli have the best chance of challening tolouse,

good win today and well deserved - great try from mark jones

half time at welford road

ospreys 12
tigers 6


two pens for the tigers, and two tries for the ospreys, hensons started, and have looked ok, made a good break in the opening minutes, and set up sonney parker for his try.

i expect tigers to blitz us in the second half, and win by at least 15 pts.

el_tk
11-12-05, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 11 2005, 12:29 AM
Who&#39;s Jowitt who got the last try?
Some randomer (NZ I think) who signed for Lansdowne for the AIL season and got picked up by Cheika. That&#39;s as far as I know.

loratadine
11-12-05, 03:46 PM
i was right

tigers, 30
ospreys, 12

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 04:11 PM
thought the Ospreys might put up a better showing than that, no sign of Mr Church showing us his class today then? Oh well maybe next week http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 04:44 PM
Well that&#39;s week 3 done and dusted in the HEC, good weekend for the Irish provinces with all 3 picking up wins, not bad for the English with Bath, Sale Leeds and Leicester picking up decent wins while Wasps and Saracens fell to defeat. 50/50 for the Welsh, although the Dragons should have put in a better performance against Munster. Not so good for the Scots with Edinburgh&#39;s slim chances pretty much gone or the Italians either. Mixed bag for the French as well, with expected wins for the deux Stades, although the Parisiens did well to pick up victory in Clermont but Castres, Perpignan and Bourgoin didn&#39;t enhance their reputation.

Standings after Round 3

Pool 1
Pos Team Played W D L T F A TB LB Pts
1 Sale Sharks 3 3 0 0 9 85 40 1 0 13
2 Munster 3 2 0 1 8 79 51 1 0 9
3 Castres Olympique 3 1 0 2 6 61 86 1 1 6
4 Dragons 3 0 0 3 5 43 91 0 1 1


Pool 2
Pos Team Played W D L T F A TB LB Pts
1 Perpignan 3 2 0 1 10 82 41 1 1 10
2 Cardiff Blues 3 2 0 1 10 79 60 2 0 10
3 Leeds Tykes 3 2 0 1 7 67 76 1 0 9
4 Calvisano 3 0 0 3 2 32 83 0 0 0


Pool 3
Pos Team Played W D L T F A TB LB Pts
1 Leicester Tigers 3 2 0 1 10 93 47 2 1 11
2 Stade Francais 3 2 0 1 2 36 31 0 1 9
3 ASM Clermont Auvergne 3 1 0 2 6 69 87 1 1 6
4 Ospreys 3 1 0 2 4 39 72 0 0 4


Pool 4
Pos Team Played W D L T F A TB LB Pts
1 Biarritz Olympique 3 2 0 1 10 77 48 2 0 10
2 Ulster 3 2 0 1 7 65 43 1 0 9
3 Saracens 3 2 0 1 5 62 46 0 0 8
4 Benetton Treviso 3 0 0 3 3 24 91 0 0 0


Pool 5
Pos Team Played W D L T F A TB LB Pts
1 Bath Rugby 3 3 0 0 9 92 57 2 0 14
2 Leinster 3 2 0 1 12 105 49 2 1 11
3 Bourgoin 3 1 0 2 2 35 95 0 0 4
4 Glasgow Warriors 3 0 0 3 5 49 80 0 1 1


Pool 6
Pos Team Played W D L T F A TB LB Pts
1 Toulouse 3 2 1 0 10 85 56 1 0 11
2 Llanelli Scarlets 3 2 0 1 7 64 76 0 0 8
3 Edinburgh Gunners 3 1 0 2 5 58 66 0 2 6
4 London Wasps 3 0 1 2 4 59 68 0 1 3

gjohn85
11-12-05, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 12 2005, 05:11 AM
no sign of Mr Church showing us his class today then? Oh well maybe next week* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
I don&#39;t think he was gonna go into 100% He has just come back from having surgery on his groin. I thought he had a good game myself.

I was annoyed that the Ospreys couldn&#39;t manage win any lineouts in the second half.

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 04:58 PM
Only taking the **** mate, didn&#39;t see the game so can&#39;t comment on Mr Church just yet, is the return match on Saturday or Sunday, if it&#39;s Sunday I&#39;ll catch it but not Saturday, would be quite the day Charlotte&#39;s beau to shine or wax lyrical, christ these are bad.

loratadine
11-12-05, 05:08 PM
he did alright, his passing always looked dangerous.

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 05:37 PM
I wouldn&#39;t mind seeing the return match, could be another tasty affair. Nice one it is on next Sunday so I&#39;ll get to see it. Good stuff.

loratadine
11-12-05, 05:56 PM
nice one - the ospreys should win that at home, i thought tigers looked very regimented, powerful none the less, but no real flair or imagination behind the pack, the ospreys always looked dangerous on the break and should win at home.

mark jones try was the best of the weekend. fantastic

Symclaw
11-12-05, 08:16 PM
Bloody right! The old Mark Jones is back! Neato Gang!

loratadine
11-12-05, 08:18 PM
yeah mark jones is a great player and im glad he scored this, i think hes defo back, and im hopeing he continues like this in the run up to the 6 nations

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 08:24 PM
Yeah but do you think he&#39;ll make the starting lineup in Twickenham?

loratadine
11-12-05, 08:31 PM
well if he finds his old form, then i think he will, i think on his day hes the best winger in wales, if not britain.

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 08:41 PM
But will Ruddock not stick with the 2 Williams?

loratadine
11-12-05, 08:55 PM
no - i believe ruddock picks on form, and itll depend whos playing better, i cant see rhys williams getting picked on current form

on current form it would have to be shane and daffyd james, but kevin morgan is also a top quality player.

Symclaw
11-12-05, 08:59 PM
if mark jones gets back to his best then he will walk it. And i know im a turk, but this boy was seriously immense. Potentially the best wing i have ever seen at stradey. And im including Ieuan... but maybe not Lomu

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 09:00 PM
When did Lomu play at Stradey?

loratadine
11-12-05, 09:12 PM
i dont know if he has, but seriously mark jones had the potential to be the best winger in the world, its just a pity he got injured, i just hope he still has the potential and manages to obtain it


on a different note, when is tom shanklin expected back from injury.

An Tarbh
11-12-05, 09:14 PM
I read somewhere that he&#39;ll miss the 6 Nations.

loratadine
11-12-05, 09:35 PM
that s pity, but mj watkins is lookind a very impressive player.

Symclaw
11-12-05, 10:17 PM
Lomu, played in Ieuan Evans&#39; testimonial i will have u know. World 15 v Britain. I was there. FACT.

gjohn85
11-12-05, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Symclaw@Dec 12 2005, 11:17 AM
Lomu, played in Ieuan Evans&#39; testimonial i will have u know. World 15 v Britain. I was there. FACT.
Was it a good match?

Symclaw
11-12-05, 11:59 PM
i cant remember. But i think Britain won.

sarries fan
15-12-05, 05:51 PM
Farrell Debut .....maybe..... (http://saracens.com/news/article.php?id=2232), but many rumours are now flying about saying he has suffered a back injury leaving him out till next season

loratadine
15-12-05, 06:07 PM
gaven henson is ****** of theres a good article on bbc.co.uk about it - hes slagging the tigers off for cheating.

SaintsFan_Webby
15-12-05, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 15 2005, 08:07 PM
gaven henson is ****** of theres a good article on bbc.co.uk about it - hes slagging the tigers off for cheating.
Henson is such an idiot.

Leicester have been cheating and winning for years, everyone with half a brain knows it, but now Henson seems to be claiming some sort of genius status for saying it.

Congratulations Gavin, the new Captain Obvious ™

http://www.frontiernet.net/~joe14580/captain%20obvious.jpg

gjohn85
15-12-05, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@Dec 16 2005, 07:16 AM
Congratulations Gavin, the new Captain Obvious ™

http://www.frontiernet.net/~joe14580/captain%20obvious.jpg
This is more like Henson...

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6321/captain20obvious1hl.jpg

Boy
15-12-05, 10:19 PM
I&#39;m sure he&#39;d like the colour.

He&#39;s definately thought about it...

loratadine
16-12-05, 09:27 AM
you tell them

credit : bbc.co.uk



The Scarlets have been angered by Wasps&#39; reaction to their 21-13 loss at Stradey Park last week, with Lawrence Dallaglio blasting his team for what he described as a sub-standard performance.

"It was an interesting reaction, they&#39;ve been very hard on themselves and said they didn&#39;t perform," Jenkins told BBC Sport Wales.

"That&#39;s surprising because we&#39;ve got a great track record ourselves in the Heineken Cup and have been very defiant at home over the years.

"We&#39;re mentally strong, and that has only been boosted by last week&#39;s win.

"Maybe Wasps&#39; expectation was too big. We had looked at the game tactically and applied pressure to their weaknesses.

"It&#39;s not just Wasps, maybe it&#39;s an English thing but it never ceases to amaze me.

"There&#39;s always an expectation when an English side come down to play in Wales that they have a divine right to win irrespective of how they play.

"That&#39;s not the case, you have to be a good team to win down here."

edinburgh_gunner
16-12-05, 11:55 AM
Typical Dellaglio reaction there. Did the same after they lost at Murrayfield. He seems to be unable to accept that Llanelli were the better side on the day. While Wasps didn&#39;t play their best, Llanelli lifted their game.

Though purely for Edinburgh I want the Wasps to win tomorrow.

An Tarbh
16-12-05, 02:19 PM
Well Leinster are unchanged for tomorow&#39;s pool 5 match in Bourgoin, will be hoping for more of the same as last week, although we said that last year and only won by 5 points, would certainly take that this time round, could be tricky though. If we score early I&#39;d say their heads will drop and we should win fairly comfortably, otherwise it could be an awkward day for Leinster.

An Tarbh
16-12-05, 09:26 PM
and Bath get the bonus as well, although so did Leinster so hardly a surprise there, just thought that since it was quite close last week wasn&#39;t expecting such a win for Bath.

So pressure very much on Leinster tomorow.

Bonus point for Sale doesn&#39;t do much for Munster, but again like Bath and Leinster no ground lost merely matching each others performance.

Edinburgh&#39;s slim chances are well and truly gone after going down to Toulouse tonight.

edinburgh_gunner
16-12-05, 11:07 PM
Well it depends on the Llanelli v. Wasps result. Yeah I think it&#39;s a tall order but we&#39;ll probably give Llanelli a doing at Murrayfield.

EDIT - Forgot to say that, while we may not qualify for the quarters, it does us a benefit by allowing the team to concentrate on the league which, despite the setback at Firhill, is still on course.

SmokeyMonkey
17-12-05, 04:00 PM
Looks like the Blues won with a bonus point, no try for Lomu though.
I just hope the Dragons can salvage some pride away at Munster

el_tk
17-12-05, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyMonkey@Dec 17 2005, 06:00 PM
I just hope the Dragons can salvage some pride away at Munster
They came damn close, Munster were fairly shocking apart from Wallace and a few others.

robbinho
18-12-05, 11:27 PM
Munster look passed it as a team. At least Leinster have some good young players coming through with Heaslip, Carney etc, but Munster just look over the hill by and large, which is a real shame. Wallace was excellent though - why does he not get a prolonged run at 7 for Ireland?

An Tarbh
19-12-05, 10:24 AM
cause Eddie doesn&#39;t rate him and there&#39;s better opensides around than him. I wouldn&#39;t mind if he started getting a run at no. 8 could definitely create more of an impact from there but again Eddie seems to think that Leamy is the answer, with Foley being pushed out and doesn&#39;t have enough belief in Heaslip despite the proof being right under his nose. Worse still when Leamy is a better blindside as well. Although if Wally continues this form Eddie will have to reconsider.

Talk about pot kettle and black from the Ospreys yesterday, whingeing all week about Leicester being cheating ******** then what do they do yesterday, just a petty performance and childish behaviour all round. I see Adam Jones got torn a new arse several times yesterday.

cavan
19-12-05, 11:38 AM
Wallace dosen&#39;t start for ireland cos he dosen&#39;t get stuck in around the rucks and in the tight. He spends too much time on the wings/ out with the backs looking for passes. If we had a mammoth front five ala France which could take care of all the rough stuff then we might be able to afford him but at present we don&#39;t. Perhaps a good bench option but as Tarbh mentoined, Eddie dosen&#39;t rate him.

An Tarbh
19-12-05, 04:46 PM
Well the Ospreys tactics of trying to rough the Tigers up doesn&#39;t seem to have worked with both Henson and Evans being cited. How much of a hardon did Stuart Barnes have for Henson when defending him for elbowing Moreno in the face.


Originally posted by BBC Sport
Henson cited after Tigers clashes

Wales and Lions centre Gavin Henson has been cited for two alleged incidents of foul play during Sunday&#39;s Heineken Cup match against Leicester Tigers.

Henson has been charged with elbowing Tigers prop Alejandro Moreno, leaving the Italian with a broken nose, and for aiming a kick at his opponent.

Ospreys team-mate Ian Evans has also been reported by citing commissioner Bill Dunlop for kicking Harry Ellis.

The disciplinary hearing will be held on Friday, 23 December.

If found guilty by the European Rugby Cup disciplinary committee, both Henson and Wales squad lock Evans face lengthy bans that could rule them out of the start of the Six Nations.

Evans&#39; kick at Harry Ellis left the England scrum-half with possible cruciate ligament damage.

Neither Tigers coach Pat Howard nor Ospreys coach Lyn Jones would comment on either incidents immediately after the game.

But of the Henson incident, Jones did say: "Last week Gavin had his head stamped on and there was no citing so I don&#39;t foresee repercussions."

The controversial Liberty Stadium encounter followed a full-blooded encounter at Welford Road the previous week and a bitter build-up where the Ospreys accused their opponents of cheating.

Henson, 23, has had just two games back since recovering from his groin injury.

Wales coach Mike Ruddock will be desperate for his star inside centre to be available for the Six Nations opener against England at Twickenham on 4 February.

Evans, 21, was a shock call-up to the Wales squad in the autumn following Brent Cockbain&#39;s injury.

After Luke Charteris also joined the Wales casualty list, Evans sat on the bench for the Tests with South Africa and Australia.



He did not get on, but Ruddock has spoken highly of the youngster.

Evans made his Heineken Cup debut at Welford Road and impressed in the two Leicester encounters, taking ball off the Tigers&#39; feared line-out.

Story from BBC SPORT:

SmokeyMonkey
19-12-05, 05:37 PM
And what news of the Leicester stamper from Welford Road? Yeah, that&#39;s right. They play for an Establishment club so they get f*** all punishment.

ERC.

Establishment Rogering c***s.

An Tarbh
19-12-05, 06:21 PM
They&#39;re just better at getting away with it.

robbinho
20-12-05, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by SmokeyMonkey@Dec 20 2005, 06:37 AM
And what news of the Leicester stamper from Welford Road? Yeah, that&#39;s right. They play for an Establishment club so they get f*** all punishment.

ERC.

Establishment Rogering c***s.
Ah, a Welsh person with Small Nation Syndrome what a pleasant surprise!

Henson got trampled on because he was on the wrong side of the ruck and was in the way, there was no malice in what happened to him, it was an accident. Henson, however, did not accidentally elbow Moreno in the face, and certainly did not accidentally try and kick him as he fell to the floor.

Incidentally, how the hell did Henson managed to miss a kick at an enormous Italian prop, appoximately 6 inches away from him, who to use a bit of Ronglish was gong down in installments?

An Tarbh
20-12-05, 10:44 AM
Probably got a bit of fake tan in his eyes by mistake, put off the focus, would explain the missed kicks, prop and posts, elbow didn&#39;t do as much damage as it should have either.

robbinho
20-12-05, 11:52 AM
Although it did break the dude&#39;s nose!

An Tarbh
20-12-05, 08:50 PM
ah then he&#39;s a wuss

gjohn85
21-12-05, 11:33 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Henson, however, did not accidentally elbow Moreno in the face, and certainly did not accidentally try and kick him as he fell to the floor.*

Incidentally, how the hell did Henson managed to miss a kick at an enormous Italian prop, appoximately 6 inches away from him, who to use a bit of Ronglish was gong down in installments?[/b]

How could u say that Henson did it on purpose? He was getting taken out off the ball & was hit from behind, so how on earth could he elbow him on purpose when he had hid back to him? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif

& for the kick it looked like a bit of red mist, but he seemed to pull out of it.

robbinho
22-12-05, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by gjohn85@Dec 22 2005, 12:33 PM
How could u say that Henson did it on purpose? He was getting taken out off the ball & was hit from behind, so how on earth could he elbow him on purpose when he had hid back to him?
Um, because he threw his pointed elbow out at an angle higher than his shoulder. What the hell else was he trying to do? If he was being hit form behind, as you say, then he would know the guy was behind him, surely?

gjohn85
22-12-05, 04:59 PM
U maybe correct, but it looked like a reaction than doing it on purpose. The reason i say this is because I done something simular when i was younger. I got hit off the ball & I reacted & smacked this guy on nut. I didn&#39;t mean it, it was one of those instant reaction things where it happens without meaning it.

As for me booting the guy in the head, he was an ugly fooker & he deserved it. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Bullitt
22-12-05, 05:14 PM
So how would you lot be reacting if the fat Leicesterite **** elbowed Henson in the face?

Oh, it&#39;s be uproar and comment&#39;s like "Ban him for life..."

Flamingo
22-12-05, 05:32 PM
Did we say that when leicster stamped on Henson&#39;s face the week before?

no

An Tarbh
22-12-05, 05:42 PM
Bit of a difference between rucking and stamping

Flamingo
22-12-05, 05:53 PM
yeh, but with the &#39;Henson&#39; kick that fat guy was holding onto his foot and wat do you do when someone is holding on to your foot just give them a little kick, same as O&#39;Driscoll on Cockbain in the 6 nations!

Anyway henson didn&#39;t connect with the kick!

gjohn85
22-12-05, 06:21 PM
Its like with Evans catching Elis with his boot, he just had a touch of cramp http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Flamingo
22-12-05, 06:30 PM
yeh someone must have tickled him and it was just a reflex! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

gjohn85
22-12-05, 06:35 PM
or he was doing the &#39;Hokey Cokey&#39;

# U put ur left leg in,
Ur left leg out,
U do the hokey cokey
& u collapse a scrum #

loratadine
22-12-05, 10:40 PM
this is great - nice bit of welsh humour, watch out though - these royalists will lock us in the towe if we aint carefull.

robbinho
23-12-05, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 23 2005, 11:40 AM
welsh humour
Obviosuly a contradiction in terms, boyos.

loratadine
23-12-05, 01:14 AM
yes, that coming from someone whos from bath but goes by the name of robbinho - nice one mate - the most funniest thing from bath is the locals, there like mountain men - there just cross breeds of welsh and english, and cudnt make there mind up. toffs - crossed with sheep sh*ggers - not a good combo.

harrison2468
23-12-05, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 23 2005, 02:14 AM
yes, that coming from someone whos from bath but goes by the name of robbinho - nice one mate - the most funniest thing from bath is the locals, there like mountain men - there just cross breeds of welsh and english, and cudnt make there mind up. toffs - crossed with sheep sh*ggers - not a good combo.
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Brings a smile to me eye. Anyway, any new on the Ospreys pair suspensions, or when we will it be decided? What about the Sarries players that were also cited, along with the Ulster.

Flamingo
23-12-05, 10:29 AM
Last Updated: Friday, 23 December 2005, 07:01 GMT

BBC SPORT

Henson to learn disciplinary fate

Wales, Lions and Ospreys centre Gavin Henson will find out at a disciplinary meeting on Friday whether he will be available for next year&#39;s Six Nations.
Henson has been cited for two alleged incidents of foul play during Sunday&#39;s Heineken Cup match against Leicester.

The 23-year-old has been charged with elbowing Tigers&#39; prop Alejandro Moreno, leaving the Italian with a broken nose, and for aiming a kick at his opponent.

Ospreys team-mate Ian Evans has also been reported for kicking Harry Ellis.

Both players were reported by citing commissioner Bill Dunlop.

If found guilty by the European Rugby Cup disciplinary committee, both Henson and Wales squad lock Evans face lengthy bans that could rule them out of the start of the Six Nations.

Striking an opponent with "a fist or arm, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s)" carries a minimum ban of two weeks.
&#39;Kicking an opponent is minimum of three months&#39;

An Tarbh
23-12-05, 11:31 AM
Well Evans has just been banned until the 19 Feb so there should be news on Henson fairly shortly.

An Tarbh
23-12-05, 01:26 PM
With both Henson and Evans missing for the last 2 HEC games, will certainly make it easier for Clermont and Stade Français to pick up the wins, could all end up backfiring on Leicester ironically.

DonBilly
23-12-05, 01:54 PM
An Tarbh, I think that Stade Français will play the Welsh at home and they are improving. I don&#39;t think that having Henson in the team will prevent the Stade Français to win.

An Tarbh
23-12-05, 01:57 PM
Well my point is that losing 2 important players for the Ospreys makes it far more likely that Clermont and Stade Français will pick up bonus points as well as the wins. Of course Stade Français will win at home to the Ospreys but it just becomes a lot easier now.

DonBilly
23-12-05, 03:08 PM
You&#39;re right. In this pool I think the two crucial matchs are going to be Clermont - Leicester and Stade Français - Leicester. It&#39;s going to be between Leicester and the Stade Français. The Stade Français after a difficult start of the season are getting their big guns back in the squad. Defeating Leicester on their owne turff is anyway a very big chalenge. I found that Toulouse victory although deserved last season had been quite lucky.

harrison2468
23-12-05, 03:30 PM
Henson banned for 10 weeks! God, that celebrity status he longs for has back-fired into his own ass. If it wasn&#39;t Henson, anyone reckon the sentance would have been shorter...

Too bad Wales, need to find yourself a 12, and fast. Preferably one that crabs across the pitch as well. Oh yeah, is Shanklin going to be back for the 6N, or at all in the future, because I know his injury is quite bad, but that is one guy Wales need.

loratadine
23-12-05, 04:53 PM
no he wont - but well prob opt for parker - who has been playing well at 12 and m.j watkins at 13 who is an amazing talent, and a better centre than anyone england has to offer.

SaintsFan_Webby
23-12-05, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 23 2005, 06:53 PM
no he wont - but well prob opt for parker - who has been playing well at 12 and m.j watkins at 13 who is an amazing talent, and a better centre than anyone england has to offer.
Ah, it must be nearing the 6 Nations, England envy starts to come out in force.


On an actual rugby related note, I think Watkins should be in team in front of the likes of Henson, whether he is banned or not. Been very impressed with the performances I have seen from him, he runs some lovely lines. Unlike Gav &#39;the crab&#39; Henson.

harrison2468
23-12-05, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 23 2005, 05:53 PM
and a better centre than anyone england has to offer.
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Angry about the sentances are we? Well, to make you feel better, you can always pick Luke Chartiris in the second row and Ceri Sweeny at inside centre.

edinburgh_gunner
23-12-05, 09:54 PM
10 weeks - perfectly just. Mainly cause he&#39;s a big **** and thinks cause he won the 6 nations he has the right to say and do as he pleases. He was outspoken after the Lions tour cause he didn&#39;t get what he wanted and now I fully expect him to moan and bleat.

loratadine
23-12-05, 10:08 PM
knob - harrison - luke charteris has tremendous potentail - you would not know as you dont see this guy week in week out - england envy pfft - pull the other one you stuped moron - we won the gs, why the hell should we envy youre boring,wooden one dimensional game.

edinburgh_gunner
23-12-05, 10:25 PM
Calm down for god sake....there are far more important things in life than Rugby you moron.

What do Wales have to envy England for? Well, erm lets see shall we? England almost beat NZ - you got absolutley humped. England have won more championships than Wales. I&#39;m not exactly what you&#39;d call pro-english but I recognise a decent rugby team when I want. So get off of your f***ing high-horse you hypercrite and grow up.

loratadine
23-12-05, 10:52 PM
shut up - its not my fault you come from a crap rugby nation - england aint better than us at the moment, they did play well against the all blacks, but rlly played a negative game plan to stifle out the all blacks


they also didnt have 8 lions absent from there side.

edinburgh_gunner
23-12-05, 11:39 PM
Oh PLEASE shut the f*** up.

If Scotland is such a crap rugby nation then why (save for the past 2 years) have we finnished above you in the 6 nations? Then why are Edinburgh, Glasgow and the Borders sitting above all 4 of the welsh clubs?

England are better than Wales, everyone else can see that about from you. Also, stop going on about the 6 lions who barely featured so it&#39;s a weak excuse.


Grow up, yes you won the GS and well done on that, but change the record please.

Merry Christmas

Ripper
23-12-05, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 24 2005, 12:08 PM
knob - harrison - luke charteris has tremendous potentail - you would not know as you dont see this guy week in week out - england envy pfft - pull the other one you stuped moron - we won the gs, why the hell should we envy youre boring,wooden one dimensional game.
Raise your hands if your country scored a try against the All Blacks and/or didnt need a Drop Goal to beat Fiji.

*Raises Hand*

edinburgh_gunner
23-12-05, 11:59 PM
*raises hand*

loratadine
24-12-05, 12:05 AM
raise youre hand if youre team have ever beaten the all blacks and have won more the on gs.

edinburgh_gunner
24-12-05, 12:14 AM
Trust you to take it too far. You, like most of your principallity, rely on past glories. So what, Scotland have never beaten the All Blacks, when was the last time you did?

loratadine
24-12-05, 12:26 AM
1953

edinburgh_gunner
24-12-05, 06:55 AM
Yep, over 50 years ago. So the old, you&#39;ve never beat the all blacks line isn&#39;t REALLY working is it?

Seriously man, chill out, learn to accept criticism of the welsh sides. I&#39;ve done it with Scotland (well, you have to really don&#39;t you). Don&#39;t be so bloody narrow minded and aarogant and people won&#39;t have a problem with you.

SmokeyMonkey
24-12-05, 10:55 AM
Actually in a recent interview on sky sports Andy Robinson said that Wales are currently the best nation in the northern hemishphere.

SaintsFan_Webby
24-12-05, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 24 2005, 12:08 AM
england envy pfft - why the hell should we
I have no idea, but you&#39;re entire existance seems to revolve around trying to get one over England at absolutely anything.

If you don&#39;t have any envy, then why keep comparing everything to what England do?

harrison2468
24-12-05, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+Dec 24 2005, 12:57 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ripper @ Dec 24 2005, 12:57 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@Dec 24 2005, 12:08 PM
knob - harrison - luke charteris has tremendous potentail - you would not know as you dont see this guy week in week out - england envy pfft - pull the other one you stuped moron - we won the gs, why the hell should we envy youre boring,wooden one dimensional game.
Raise your hands if your country scored a try against the All Blacks and/or didnt need a Drop Goal to beat Fiji.

*Raises Hand* [/b]
LOL! Lora owned, yet again.

We&#39;ll see about Chartiris you patriotic prat, the 6N is fast approaching by the way, so better use your pharse, &#39;we won the 6N&#39;, as much as you can, since it will become hard to say after the first game. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif After all, if we have to beat you using our forwards, then so be it, at least we will have more points in the 6N table than you. I can&#39;t relly be bothered to argue with you though, since you are too caught up in jerking off to the fact that Wales finally won something like 9 months ago, that it doesn&#39;t matter.

Oh yeah, quetion time, why does every thread turn into something about Wales - and an insult to England, a ****e one at that? Also, Henson&#39;s ban is not going to change with your whining, hopefully it will help deflate his ego though, and also, if Scotland have the balls to put Goodman at Fh for the 6N, they will suprise you. Then you won&#39;t be able to sprout your crap about them. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

An Tarbh
24-12-05, 04:27 PM
Raises Hand

edinburgh_gunner
24-12-05, 04:57 PM
Ah Loratadine - your a fud.

It&#39;d be grand if we put Godman at FH, better than Parks anyway.

harrison2468
24-12-05, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by edinburgh_gunner@Dec 24 2005, 05:57 PM
It&#39;d be grand if we put Godman at FH, better than Parks anyway.
Definitely, anyone who has the guts to run the ball against NZ at such a young age from Fh deserves his chance. It paid off aswell.

edinburgh_gunner
25-12-05, 12:25 AM
Yep, doesn&#39;t do too badly for Edinburgh either. Nice lad too, met him a few times..he&#39;s registered to my club (though I play at u18 sometimes he&#39;s taken us for training with Allan Jacobson) and definatley has balls.

edinburgh_gunner
26-12-05, 07:52 PM
Edinburgh won what was a very scrappy and poor game tonight. Sheer passion and determination won it tonight. So many knock ons, dropped passes and it was just so, so ugly to watch. Too much turkey for some of the players today I think. Still, at the top of the league - if only for a day untill Munster (probably) hump Connacht.

Here&#39;s the report from the BBC.


Originally posted by BBC@Dec 26 2005, 18:23
Edinburgh got their Celtic League title challenge back on track with a fine win over the Border Reivers at Murrayfield.

Marcus Di Rollo crossed the line for the home side after 33 minutes but Opeta Palepoi replied immediately.

Ally Hogg and Peter Jorgensen added further tries for Edinburgh before Borders&#39; Charlie Hore benefited from a kindly bounce off the posts.

Ally Kellock spiralled over to secure a bonus point before Chris Cusiter nipped over for a late try for the visitors.

Edinburgh had looked the hungrier outfit during the scrappy opening stages but their promising build-up work was spoiled by carelessness.

Hore edged the visitors in front with a straightforward penalty for offside after a period of sustained pressure from the home side.

The capital men claimed the first try of the contest when Scott Murray and Jorgensen combined in slick fashion to feed Di Rollo on the right wing.

Di Rollo turned on the pace to outstrip his markers and cruised to the line from 30 metres.

It took the Reivers less than three minutes to strike back. An initial penalty came to nothing, but a fluffed clearance by Phil Godman handed them a second chance to power into the danger zone with a rolling maul.

Edinburgh&#39;s pack could not contain the momentum and Samoan lock Palepoi plunged over for the touchdown. C

Chris Paterson and Hore were wide with the respective conversion attempts.

There was a further double setback for the hosts just before the interval when winger Simon Webster and prop Allan Jacobsen hobbled off to be replaced by Francisco Leonelli and Al Dickinson.

Their departure was soon forgotten as the Gunners surged ahead just three minutes after the restart.

Paterson was off the mark with a penalty, however Hore spilled the ball adjacent to his own posts.

And from the scrum, Hogg shrugged off two challenges to plough his way to the line - Paterson finding his range to add the conversion.

Hore repaired some of the damage by slotting his second penalty, but Edinburgh snatched back the momentum with another great touchdown from Jorgensen.

Again Paterson banged over the kick to give his side useful breathing space going into the final stages.

He boosted them further with a straightforward penalty, only to see the Reivers burst back into the picture with a freak score.

Gregor Townsend&#39;s deft chip seemed to be covered by the home defence, but when the ball rebounded from the post they were completely wrong-footed and Hore gleefully scooped it up to put it down and give himself a formality of a conversion.

Paterson eased the jitters at the other end with his second penalty - then Kellock made sure of the all-important bonus point.

However, Reivers refused to buckle and they salvaged a consolation point when Cusiter claimed a last-gasp try, goaled by Hore.

Edinburgh: H Southwell, C Paterson (Capt), M Di Rollo, P Jorgensen, S Webster, P Godman, M Blair, A Jacobsen, D Hall, C Smith, A Kellock, S Murray, A Hogg, S Taylor, S Cross
Replacements: A Kelly, D Hewett, A Strokosch, A MacDonald, R Lawson, M Dey, F Leonelli

Borders: S Moffat, S Danielli, B MacDougall, C Hore, N Walker, G Townsend, C Cusiter, P Thomson (Capt), R Ford, B Douglas, S MacLeod, O Palepoi, K Brown, S Sititi, S Gray.
Replacements: T McGee, S Scott, C Stewart, A Miller, B McKerchar, A Rennick, C MacRae.

An Tarbh
03-01-06, 04:04 PM
The ERC has confirmed that the Ospreys have appealed against the 10 week ban handed out to Gavin Henson.

Meeting is likely to take place on Friday, so we should know by then how successful or unsuccessful the appeal will have been and if it&#39;s the latter whether there could be an extension to the initial sentence.

DonBilly
11-01-06, 11:37 AM
Castaignède views on the big matchs of this weekend:

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Cross-Channel battles put drool factor into European Cup

Thomas Castaignède
Monday January 9, 2006
The Guardian

To feel the true magic of the European Cup you have only to look at this weekend&#39;s three biggest games, the cross-Channel matches featuring top sides from the English Premiership and the French top 14. It&#39;s not only the line-ups - Bath, Leicester, Stade Français, Bourgoin, Toulouse, Wasps - which make your mouth water but the fact that the games will go a long way towards deciding the final shape of the three pools involved.

Bath are well set after a perfect start and if they win in Bourgoin they will qualify, but they know that nothing should be taken for granted after the way that Leinster sneaked past them with two late tries a year ago. And travelling to Bourgoin is not for the faint-hearted. The French club are unbeaten at home in the league since 2002 and it&#39;s one of the coldest bits of France - ski jacket and thermal gloves are recommended.

They are only a small town, and they were a huge disappointment last year in the European Cup, but this year they have already beaten Leinster at home. They have a massive pack of forwards, with internationals such as Pascal Pape at lock, Olivier Milloud in the front row and Julien Bonnaire in the back row, and, though their backs are not household names, Alexandre Péclier is one of the best kickers in France&#39;s Championnat.

As for Leicester against Stade Français, we can expect something better than the scrappy fare these two giants served up when they met in the autumn. Stade have improved in the past few weeks as players have returned from the injury crisis that hit at the start of the season, with key guys such as Juan Hernández and Ignacio Corleto coming back. Their fly-half David Skrela is also back, although it&#39;s not clear whether he or the 36-year-old veteran Alain Penaud will start at Welford Road, but what&#39;s certain is that their pack is massive and, having won there in January 2004 as Dean Richards&#39; reign came to a close, the East Midlands hold no fears for them.

Back then Leicester greats such as Martin Johnson and Neil Back were still playing. The Tigers now have plenty of absentees, such as Daryl Gibson, Lewis Moody and the Tuilagi brothers. Moreover Stade know that, being a point ahead of Leicester, they will have a good chance of qualifying even if they lose, so they will not be much affected by pressure.

I&#39;d still wonder about the chances of a surprise at Toulouse. The form book - and history - says that winning at Stade Ernest Wallon is an astonishing feat, but Wasps have not completely burned their bridges so far as qualifying goes. The High Wycombe team don&#39;t have the strongest front five but if they can get the ball the backs are as good as you will see. The Wasps pack gave Toulouse a difficult time when the sides met in Buckinghamshire in the autumn. It was a game the English side could have won rather than drawn, had they opted not to kick for goal with their last play.

If you are wondering how seriously Toulouse are taking their visitors, bear this in mind: they rested Frédéric Michalak over the weekend to keep him fresh. They have a fair number of injuries - Finau Maka and Jean-Baptiste Elissalde have been the main absentees - but the truly intimidating thing about Toulouse is that the stand-ins are bound to be just as redoubtable.

I&#39;m expecting three French victories out of three this weekend, if the form book is anything to go by. That&#39;s not chauvinism, because I have nothing against these English sides. That&#39;s just my feeling.

It would be silly to see a side like Wasps disappear owing primarily to the fact that they&#39;ve been drawn in a "pool of death", but they probably sealed their own fate by failing to put Toulouse away at home and slipping up in Edinburgh.

At Saracens we will get a flavour of the same magic and the same pressure in 10 days&#39; time when we travel to Biarritz for what should be the decisive game in our pool. It&#39;s all or nothing for us: win and we can probably qualify, but if we lose we will be eliminated for sure. That is what Europe is all about: travel and seize your chance or say au revoir.[/b]

An Tarbh
11-01-06, 06:29 PM
Well I hope he&#39;s right as far as the three French victories are concerned, would certainly give Leinster a fighting chance at the Rec, we should realistically pick up 5 points against Glasgow if not then we don&#39;t deserve to qualify.

Thankfully he didn&#39;t say how the Munster Castres match would go, with Castres completely gone with only 1 win, this game shouldn&#39;t be that much of a priority for them, Munster&#39;s recent record in France is poor so they&#39;ll be looking to put that right come Friday, Horan and Foley are back for Munster after missing the Edinburgh match while Hayes, Flannery and Kelly should all be fit despite nursing injuries.

As for Ulster it&#39;s big ask to beat Biarritz at Ravenhill, the old fortress has been creaky in recent matches, losing to Leinster, unconvincing against Glasgow, they really need a bonus point as well, which is a massive ask.

An Tarbh
13-01-06, 03:29 PM
Leinster have named their team for tomorow&#39;s crucial match with Glasgow, well crucial if Bourgoin can do us a favour tonight.

LEINSTER

15: Girvan Dempsey
14: Shane Horgan
13: Brian O’Driscoll CAPTAIN
12: Gordon D’Arcy
11: Denis Hickie
10: Felipe Contepomi
9: Guy Easterby

1: Reggie Corrigan
2: Brian Blaney
3: Emmett Byrne
4: Bryce Williams
5: Malcolm O’Kelly
6: Cameron Jowitt
7: Keith Gleeson
8: Jamie Heaslip

Replacements:

16: David Blaney
17: Ronan McCormack
18: Adam Byrnes
19: Eric Miller
20: Brian O&#39;Riordan
21: Kieran Lewis
22: Rob Kearney

Don&#39;t see why Kearney, if fit, is on the bench, been in superb form all season, Horgan&#39;s been cack, **** sake lads we need to win this one with a bonus point, not have Horgan spilling ball all feckin&#39; match.

edinburgh_gunner
13-01-06, 07:50 PM
Edinburgh v. Llanelli. Realistically I think this will decide the runner up. If Llanelli win, it&#39;ll be just. Edinburgh could, and should win tomorrow though I don&#39;t expect a bonus point.

An Tarbh
13-01-06, 08:16 PM
Should be an Edinburgh win alright.

Munster going great guns in Castres, albeit they&#39;ve given up, but bonus point already in the bag after 47 mins. Certainly makes next weeks fixture at Thomond a very tasty affair, if Munster win both teams should still go through, providing Sale beat the Dragons, but that should be a given.

Not good news for Leinster with Bath winning in Bourgoin, currently 22-9 in Bourgoin. We&#39;ll need plenty of favours methinks to get a runner up spot.

Ulster struggling at home to Biarritz, last score was 24-8 in favour of Biarritz. Next weeks game with Saracens will be crucial in deciding that group.

Boy
13-01-06, 08:18 PM
Bath become the first club through to the quarter-finals, coming from 6-3 down at haftime to win in Bourgoin 22-9. Bath tries from Walshe, Lipman and Cheeseman in an apparently awesome second half display (judging by the radio).

We can&#39;t score for toffee in the Premiership, but that&#39;s 16 in Europe this season. Didn&#39;t sound like it was a case of the Frenchies throwing up their arms and surrendering either. Ashton&#39;s more attacking selection (Barkley at 10, Welsh and Bory on the wings, Cheeseman at 13) is hopefully a sign of things to come.

Leinster now need to win tomorrow (which they should) and at The Rec next week to get one of the runners up spots. If they do, they could end up back at Bath in the quarters.

An Tarbh
13-01-06, 08:38 PM
Well if we qualify and face Bath again in the quarters that wouldn&#39;t be the end of the world, afterall we would have won the pool match there so it wouldn&#39;t hold too many fears for the players.

If not Bath then one of Toulouse, Munster or Sale, ouch. Munster at home in Europe are unbeatable, I&#39;d be amazed if Munster allowed such a match to be played at Lansdowne, Toulouse at home again is a mamoth task, as would Sale away with the form they&#39;ve shown this season.

Fair play to Bath for getting through, albeit with the help of ****ehouse in the RDS, sorry can&#39;t let that one go.