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drico
16-07-05, 08:33 AM
2-4 September:
Llanelli Scarlets v Edinburgh Gunners
Ospreys v Leinster
Glasgow Warriors v Newport Gwent Dragons
Connacht v Cardiff Blues
Munster v Border Reivers
Free: Ulster

9-11 September:
Cardiff Blues v Ulster
Munster v Ospreys
Border Reivers v Llanelli Scarlets
Edinburgh Gunners v Connacht
Leinster v Glasgow Warriors
Free: Newport Gwent Dragons

13-14 September:
Ospreys v Newport Gwent Dragons
Cardiff Blues v Llanelli Scarlets

16-18 September:
Leinster v Newport Gwent Dragons
Llanelli Scarlets v Connacht
Glasgow Warriors v Munster
Border Reivers v Ospreys
Ulster v Edinburgh Gunners
Free: Cardiff Blues

23-25 September:
Munster v Llanelli Scarlets
Newport Gwent Dragons v Ulster
Edinburgh Gunners v Ospreys
Glasgow Warriors v Cardiff Blues
Connacht v Border Reivers
Free: Leinster

30 September - 1 October:
Connacht v Munster
Leinster v Ulster
Edinburgh Gunners v Glasgow Warriors
Free: Border Reivers

7-9 October:
Ulster v Connacht
Munster v Leinster
Border Reivers v Edinburgh Gunners
Free: Glasgow Warriors

14-16 October:
Ospreys v Connacht
Leinster v Cardiff Blues
Border Reivers v Ulster
Llanelli Scarlets v Glasgow Warriors
Edinburgh Gunners v Newport Gwent Dragons
Free: Munster

4-6 November:
Ulster v Ospreys
Glasgow Warriors v Connacht
Newport Gwent Dragons v Border Reivers
Leinster v Edinburgh Gunners
Cardiff Blues v Munster
Free: Llanelli Scarlets

2-4 December:
Connacht v Leinster
Munster v Ulster
Glasgow Warriors v Edinburgh Gunners
Free: Border Reivers

22-24 December:
Ospreys v Cardiff Blues
Munster v Connacht
Newport Gwent Dragons v Llanelli Scarlets
Edinburgh Gunners v Border Reivers
Ulster v Leinster
Free: Glasgow Warriors

27-28 December:
Cardiff Blues v Newport Gwent Dragons
Llanelli Scarlets v Ospreys

31 December - 2 January:
Leinster v Munster
Newport Gwent v Dragons Ospreys
Llanelli Scarlets v Cardiff Blues
Border Reivers v Glasgow Warriors
Connacht v Ulster
Free: Edinburgh Gunners

6-8 January:
Newport Gwent Dragons v Connacht
Llanelli Scarlets v Leinster
Border Reivers v Cardiff Blues
Edinburgh Gunners v Munster
Ulster v Glasgow Warriors
Free: Ospreys

27-29 January:
Cardiff Blues v Edinburgh Gunners
Glasgow Warriors v Ospreys
Leinster v Border Reivers
Munster v Newport Gwent Dragons
Ulster v Llanelli Scarlets
Free: Connacht

17-19 February:
Newport Gwent Dragons v Leinster
Ospreys v Border Reivers
Edinburgh Gunners v Ulster
Connacht v Llanelli Scarlets
Munster v Glasgow Warriors
Free: Cardiff Blues

3-5 March:
Cardiff Blues v Ospreys
Llanelli Scarlets v Newport Gwent Dragons
Glasgow Warriors v Border Reivers
Leinster v Connacht
Ulster v Munster
Free: Edinburgh Gunners

24-26 March:
Cardiff Blues v Glasgow Warriors
Ospreys v Edinburgh Gunners
Llanelli Scarlets v Munster
Border Reivers v Connacht
Ulster v Newport Gwent Dragons
Free: Leinster

7-9 April:
Newport Gwent Dragons v Munster
Ospreys v Glasgow Warriors
Llanelli Scarlets v Ulster
Border Reivers v Leinster
Edinburgh Gunners v Cardiff Blues
Free: Connacht

14-16 April:
Cardiff Blues v Border Reivers
Glasgow Warriors v Ulster
Connacht Newport v Gwent Dragons
Leinster v Llanelli Scarlets
Free: Ospreys

17-18 April:
Newport Gwent Dragons v Cardiff Blues
Ospreys v Llanelli Scarlets

28-30 April:
Cardiff Blues v Connacht
Newport Gwent Dragons v Glasgow Warriors
Border Reivers v Munster
Edinburgh Gunners v Llanelli Scarlets
Leinster v Ospreys
Free: Ulster

5-7 May:
Ospreys v Munster
Llanelli Scarlets v Border Reivers
Glasgow Warriors v Leinster
Connacht v Edinburgh Gunners
Ulster v Cardiff Blues
Free: Newport Gwent Dragons

12-14 May:
Cardiff Blues v Leinster
Newport Gwent Dragons v Edinburgh Gunners
Glasgow Warriors v Llanelli Scarlets
Connacht v Ospreys
Ulster v Border Reivers
Free: Munster

26-28 May:
Ospreys v Ulster
Border Reivers v Newport Gwent Dragons
Edinburgh Gunners v Leinster
Connacht v Glasgow Warriors
Munster v Cardiff Blues
Free: Llanelli Scarlets


Look forward to Munster's clashes against Ospreys on the secoond week-end, and Leinster

An Tarbh
19-07-05, 09:53 PM
Bit of a relief to finally have a fixture list after all that nonsense with the Welsh regions. With new coaching teams at Munster and Leinster I'd fancy both coaches will want to put down a serious marker ahead of the HEC. Leinster may have lost plenty of players but if we can find a decent replacement for Cullen than we might have a decent chance of putting up a serious challenge. Would be a massive surprise if Jackman can consistently hit decent form.

Obviously O'Driscoll will be a loss but in the Celtic League it's manageable, might hit us when we need a bit of magic in the games against Bath and Bourgoin, if they turn up this time around.

Some of the fixtures might need revising, looks like Ulster are down to play Leinster on Christmas Day, can't see many people making that game. New Years Eve for Leinster Munster isn't a bad way to start off the evening.

el_tk
20-07-05, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Jul 19 2005, 08:53 PM
if we can find a decent replacement for Cullen than we might have a decent chance of putting up a serious challenge. Would be a massive surprise if Jackman can consistently hit decent form.
They have one, his name is Ben Gissing, Cullen was a donkey who didn't deserve to be in the team.

An Tarbh
20-07-05, 05:59 PM
Right so we&#39;ll go into the season with 2 locks, one of whom is still injured from the Lions tour. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

el_tk
20-07-05, 06:11 PM
The Blackrock captain (Gannon I think), and the guy with the funny name- Knu or Kok or somesuch, God forbid Leinster should have to blood new players

An Tarbh
20-07-05, 10:59 PM
You&#39;re proving my point, we&#39;re not exactly spoilt for choice, therefore it wasn&#39;t the best decision to let Leo go. He&#39;s hardly pushing up the daisies. Bad enough that Kidney let so many other players go before fecking off back to Munster.

el_tk
23-07-05, 08:36 PM
I forgot to mention the Australian second row, Adam Brynes. According to Cheika O&#39;Kelly will be fit for the new season after a hernia operation.

An Tarbh
23-07-05, 08:54 PM
That&#39;s grand then, hadn&#39;t heard anything about him signing, good to have some cover though.

An Tarbh
06-08-05, 07:01 PM
Gordon D&#39;Arcy has undergone keyhole surgery on his injured shoulder which ruled him out of the 3rd Lions test and not the fatigue as was reported by Woodward and Campbell. He should be back though for the start of the season.

ALLBLACKS
14-08-05, 06:52 PM
What happened to Christian Cullen??

An Tarbh
14-08-05, 08:46 PM
He had shoulder surgery in March after tearing ligaments, missed the knockout stages in the Heineken Cup, don&#39;t know whether he&#39;ll be back for the start of the Celtic League. He was supposed to be out for anything between 4 and 6 months. Don&#39;t know if he&#39;s back in pre-season training.

ALLBLACKS
15-08-05, 02:31 AM
I feel sorry for the guy,should have grabbed the record for most tries in test,but has had alot of injury set backs,and hes had too many surgery&#39;s now.

An Tarbh
17-08-05, 08:33 AM
and the news just keeps getting worse for Cullen, due to complications with his shoulder surgery he&#39;ll now be out of action until February.

el_tk
31-08-05, 03:27 PM
Leinster squad for match against the Ospreys, to be finalised later in the week.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Forwards from (17)

Bernard Jackman, David Blaney, Brian Blaney, John Lyne, Johnny Wickham, Emmett Byrne, Ronan McCormack, Will Green, Adam Byrnes, Ben Gissing, Des Dillon, Ciaran Potts, Jamie Heaslip, Keith Gleeson, Simon Crawford, Niall Ronan, Eric Miller

Backs from (12)

Guy Easterby, Brian O&#39;Meara, Felipe Contepomi (Captain), Christian Warner, David McAllister, Eoghan Hickey, Gary Brown, Brendan Burke, James Norton, Girvan Dempsey, Kieran Lewis, Rob Kearney[/b]

Munster squad for the Borders

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
MUNSTER Squad: Shaun Payne, Jeremy Manning, John Kelly, Rob Henderson, Mossy Lawlor, Trevor Halstead, Barry Murphy, Paul Burke, Frank Murphy, Peter Stringer, Donnacha Ryan, Anthony Foley (Capt), David Wallace, Denis Leamy, Federico Pucciariello, Jerry Flannery, Marcus Horan, Alan Quinlan, Frank Roche, Frank Sheahan, John O&#39;Sullivan, Mick O&#39;Driscoll, Stephen Keogh, Trevor Hogan.[/b]

Connacht are at full strenght for their match against Cardiff except for Mark McHugh.

Ulster have no game this week.

An Tarbh
02-09-05, 06:39 AM
and O&#39;Driscoll has been named captain after Reggie&#39;s retirement but Contepomi will captain the team in his absence, although Easterby, Hickie, O&#39;Kelly, Gleeson and who knows who else will be part of a leadership team. Could cause more trouble than it&#39;s worth especially with all the crap that goes on at Leinster.

Tough start away to the Ospreys as well

el_tk
02-09-05, 04:53 PM
Here&#39;s the full team. Warner at out-half http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif Nice to see Brendan Burke back in action.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Leinster:
15: Girvan Dempsey
14: Brendan Burke
13: Kieran Lewis
12: Felipe Contepomi (Captain)
11: Robert Kearney
10: Christian Warner
9: Brian O&#39;Meara
1: Ronan McCormack
2: Bernard Jackman
3: Will Green
4: Des Dillon
5: Ben Gissing
6: Ciaran Potts
7: Keith Gleeson
8: Eric Miller

Replacements:
16: Emmett Byrne
17: David Blaney
18: Simon Crawford
19: Jamie Heaslip
20: Guy Easterby
21: Eoghan Hickey
22: Gary Brown[/b]

Munster are playing David Wallace on the wing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
MUNSTER:
15 Shaun Payne, 14 David Wallace, 13 Trevor Halstead, 12 Rob Henderson, 11 John Kelly, 10 Paul Burke, 9 Peter Stringer, 1 Marcus Horan, 2 Jeremy Flannery, 3 Federico Pucciariello, 4 Trevor Hogan, 5 Mick O&#39;Driscoll , 6 Stephen Keogh, 7 Denis Leamy, 8 Anthony Foley Š. Replacements:16 Frank Roche 17 Frank Sheahan 18 John O&#39;Sullivan 19 Alan Quinlan 20 Frank Murphy 21 Jeremy Manning* 22 Barry Murphy[/b]

Connach have lost to Cardiff in their last 4 matches

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
CONNACHT:
15. David Slemen, 14. Conor McPhillips, 13. Darren Yapp, 12. Keith Matthews, 11. Matt Mostyn, 10. Paul Warwick, 9. Chris Keane; 1. Ray Hogan, 2. John Fogarty, 3. Stpehen Knoop, 4. Christian Short, 5. Andrew Farley, 6.John Muldoon, 7. Matt Lacey, 8. Colm Rigney.
Replacements: 16. Chris Venter, 17. Dan McFarland, 18. Ronan Loughney, 19. Michael Swift, 20. Brendan OšConnor, 21. Conor OšLoughlin, 22. Daniel Riordan.[/b]

An Tarbh
02-09-05, 09:56 PM
Thought Heaslip would get a start, also thought Kearney was a full back, at least he&#39;s a kicking option.

loratadine
02-09-05, 09:58 PM
scarlets were crap, dragons ok, but munster were lucky.

el_tk
03-09-05, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Sep 2 2005, 08:58 PM
scarlets were crap, dragons ok, but munster were lucky.
Scarlets were alright, Regan King looked good but Hercus just kicked the ball any time they had a chance.

cavan
03-09-05, 11:19 PM
connacht picked up the win in a scrappy game. Warwick was good, first half was poor from both sides. Hopefully when Mitchell comes over he will steady their scrum abit.

An Tarbh
04-09-05, 11:18 AM
welcome back mate, good holiday?

2 scrappy Irish wins hopefully another this evening in Swansea.

An Tarbh
04-09-05, 10:11 PM
probably too much to ask for, start was certainly dissappointing with Kearney&#39;s kick being charged down, did some decent things in the game though, finished off Swervin&#39; Girvan&#39;s move well for his try.

Was always going to be tough to get anything at the Ospreys, even with both teams missing their Lions. At least we got a bonus point, improvement on last year.

cavan
05-09-05, 01:35 AM
Cheers man it was a great holiday, we did Vegas, Tijuana, San Fran, San Diego, LA and Santa Barbara. Unforgettable!

Disappointing for Leinster to loose but I&#39;m delighted the likes of Kearney, Heaslip and Burke are in the fold. Chieka sounds like a decent guy, he&#39;s keen to develop young players which should pay off in the long run. You could not have asked for a tougher first game so we can&#39;t really be too disheartened. They&#39;ll bounce back.

el_tk
08-09-05, 07:41 PM
Here&#39;s the Leinster team for Glasgow on Saturday

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Leinster:

15: Girvan Dempsey
14: Gary Brown
13: Kieran Lewis
12: Felipe Contepomi (Captain)
11: Robert Kearney
10: Christian Warner
9: Guy Easterby

1: John Lyne
2: Bernard Jackman
3: Will Green
4: Adam Byrnes
5: Ben Gissing
6: Ciaran Potts
7: Keith Gleeson
8: Jamie Heaslip

Replacements:

16: Emmett Byrne
17: David Blaney
18: Simon Crawford
19: Niall Ronan
20: Brian O&#39;Meara
21: Eoghan Hickey
22: Brendan Burke[/b]

Stupid Warner, I was only able to watch one minute of the Ospereys match but it was enough to see him miss a tackle.

Bullitt
08-09-05, 08:47 PM
Henson faces six months sidelined

http://www.planet-rugby.com/mediastore/images/editorial/Wales/henson_g_vSA04.jpg

Wales & Charlotte Church could be without Gavin Henson for half the season
Gavin Henson could miss Wales&#39; autumn internationals and the Six Nations because of a groin injury suffered after his reunion with Miss Church, after the unsuccessful Lions series.
BBC Wales understands that the Wales and Lions centre has flown to Munich in Germany to see another woman about the small-standing problem.

If it is decided that Henson needs an operation it is likely to put him out of Church for around six months.

Henson has been struggling in bed since last season, but he had been playing with pain

It seems that the 23-year-old has decided to get the problem sorted out one way or the other in consulation with one of the top sexual specialists in Europe.

The news will also come as a blow to Miss Church & Henson&#39;s Ospreys regional side, as an operation will rule him out of much of their bedroom & Heineken Cup campaign and household domestic season.

Both the Ospreys and the Wales management were keen to keep treating Henson in this country, which probably would have involved more sheep & sexual improvement courses if he was to return to action with Miss Church next month.

But Henson is impatient to get the problem resolved and that is why he has gone to Germany to see Mrs Hans Muller-Wolfgang, a leading specialist on groin problems who has seen to top athletes such as Colin Jackson.

el_tk
10-09-05, 09:17 PM
Yay, Leinster win!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Leinster edge home against Glasgow


Leinster´s first outing at Donnybrook for six months ended in a nervy 26-21 Celtic League win as stand-in skipper Felipe Contepomi rescued his side with his right boot.

The Argentinian international kicked four penalties and converted Leinster´s two tries from Rob Kearney and Kieran Lewis early in the second half to hold on for a scrappy first win of the season.

Four times David Cheika´s home side coughed up restarts, allowing the Scots to recover and reel them back in.

A classier effort from the Warriors could have seen them bag a surprise victory but the momentum of a Rory Lamont try on the hour was never built on.

Dan Parks, taking over captaincy duties from the injured Jon Petrie, controlled matters in the first half as Hugh Campbell´s men led 13-9 at the break.

Scotland lock Craig Hamilton lurched his 6ft 8ins frame over and under the Leinster posts in the ninth minute after a quick turnover, allowing Parks to convert and tally up a 7-0 lead.

Ireland Under-19 captain Kearney missed a 30-metre penalty for a quick reply but with Leinster enduring the same lineout problems which dogged them in Swansea on Sunday, Contepomi steadied the Irishmen with a 22nd-minute penalty.

Contepomi sandwiched a 34th-minute penalty from Parks with two of his own, but the 27-year-old fly-half Parks managed to extend Glasgow´s lead to four points in injury-time with a neatly struck drop goal.

With ball in hand, Leinster always looked the more potent and two tries inside the first quarter-hour of the second half pushed them 23-13 in front.

Contepomi and Lewis combined to set teenager Kearney free on 44 minutes and he gathered his own kick ahead, with Glasgow full-back Colin Shaw dithering, to score.

Contepomi converted and added the extras to Ireland centre Lewis´ effort - a well-taken sprint round to the posts after Guy Easterby had stolen possession.

The visitors never gave up hope and Leinster´s failure to shut out the game led to replacement scrum-half Graeme Beveridge setting up Lamont´s try.

His long cut-out pass freed hooker Scott Lawson into the Leinster 22 and Lamont galloped up on his shoulder to score.

Parks converted and swapped a further penalty with Contepomi but Cheika´s side held on.[/b]

And Henson is out for 4 to 8 weeks.

loratadine
12-09-05, 09:52 AM
bloody munster.

el_tk
13-09-05, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Sep 12 2005, 08:52 AM
bloody munster.
Yeah that was great, it was like

"We&#39;re the Ospereys, we&#39;re Welsh and we&#39;re real good- but wait, AHHH, these shirts are too tight! We&#39;re choking! Choking!" Then Munster got a few dodgy/good tries and all the Ospereys fans began to regret the Powergen Cup thing.

An Tarbh
15-09-05, 11:29 AM
Never rains but it pours for Munster, if it&#39;s not injury problems it&#39;s vandals digging holes in the pitch at Thomond park. At least something is going right on the pitch.


Originally posted by munsterrugby.ie
Thomond Park Pitch Vandalised

The surface area of the Thomond Park pitch was vandalised yesterday evening when intruders dug several hundred holes the length and breadth of the pitch.

As a result the Under 19 and Under 21 Interprovincial matches between Munster and Leinster, due to be played there on Friday night have to be moved to an alternative venue.

The damage was done between the hours of 5 and 6.30pm and was discovered when Munster officials arrived for the launch of the ODM Munster Senior Challenge Cup.

It is understood that the pitch will be out of conmmission for at least four days

Christ do people not have better things to do than go around digging holes in a pitch, and at such a sacred venue as well, sacrelige.

An Tarbh
15-09-05, 02:40 PM
I thought Reggie had retired after last season, yet there he is back in the team for Leinster tomorow against the Dragons. Hickie and Horgan are back on the bench so some strength to call on if we get into troube tomorow evening.

Leinster:

15: Girvan Dempsey
14: Gary Brown
13: Kieran Lewis
12: Felipe Contepomi (Captain)
11: Robert Kearney
10: Christian Warner
9: Guy Easterby

1: Reggie Corrigan
2: Bernard Jackman
3: Will Green
4: Adam Byrnes
5: Ben Gissing
6: Ciaran Potts
7: Keith Gleeson
8: Jamie Heaslip

Replacements:

16: Ronan McCormack
17: David Blaney
18: Simon Crawford
19: Niall Ronan
20: Brian O&#39;Meara
21: Shane Horgan
22: Denis Hickie

cavan
16-09-05, 12:24 PM
isn&#39;t it about time Felipe starts wearing the number 10 shirt? the HEC games aren&#39;t far off and he has yet to play there.

el_tk
16-09-05, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by cavan@Sep 16 2005, 11:24 AM
isn&#39;t it about time Felipe starts wearing the number 10 shirt? the HEC games aren&#39;t far off and he has yet to play there.
He ended up playing there a bit tonight. Kearney&#39;s try was nothing short of senstational

An Tarbh
17-09-05, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by cavan@Sep 16 2005, 12:24 PM
isn&#39;t it about time Felipe starts wearing the number 10 shirt? the HEC games aren&#39;t far off and he has yet to play there.
he might end up playing the first few games there with D&#39;Arcy or Horgan while O&#39;Driscoll is still out.

el_tk
17-09-05, 08:40 PM
Munster are crap- 25-3 down to Glasgow at half time.

An Tarbh
18-09-05, 08:31 PM
Pretty dire from Munster alright, would have thought that they&#39;d have pushed on after their performance against the Ospreys but not to be. Kidney won&#39;t have anywhere to run at this rate but off the coast of Cork.

edinburgh_gunner
30-09-05, 03:58 PM
It&#39;s looking to me as if this could be between Edinburgh and Ulster. We&#39;re still after revenge for the Celtic Cup deafet a couple years back. I hope we get a bonus point win over the jakey&#39;s from the west tonight!

cavan
30-09-05, 05:57 PM
If Ulster come away with another road win tonight then I think they&#39;ll be serious challengers. Harrison and McCoullugh are dominant, McMillan and Neil Best on the way back up and then you probably got Ireland&#39;s most promising young backs in Trimble and Bowe doing well and Isaac Boss to come in. I can&#39;t see Ulster getting beat this year in Ravenhill, be it HEC or CL.

edinburgh_gunner
30-09-05, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by cavan@Sep 30 2005, 05:57 PM
If Ulster come away with another road win tonight then I think they&#39;ll be serious challengers. Harrison and McCoullugh are dominant, McMillan and Neil Best on the way back up and then you probably got Ireland&#39;s most promising young backs in Trimble and Bowe doing well and Isaac Boss to come in. I can&#39;t see Ulster getting beat this year in Ravenhill, be it HEC or CL.
You really only won againsy us at Ravenhill due to our lack of discipline. We gave away too many penalties and David Humphrey made us pay the price. Still, at this early stage the main contender are the Gunners, Ulster and Cardiff but it&#39;s early days yet.

An Tarbh
03-10-05, 09:23 AM
Table says Munster and Leinster are in contention as well.

So were Leinster impressive in their win against Ulster, were there any positives ahead of the Heineken Cup games?

edinburgh_gunner
03-10-05, 06:16 PM
Yeah sorry I missed them out, apologies. Edinburgh could maybe go all season unbeaten at home, though it&#39;ll probably not happen.

loratadine
14-10-05, 01:20 PM
shane williams is the squad for the connacht game tonight and should play some part, as is adrian cashmore.

cavan
14-10-05, 01:58 PM
connacht have been woeful as of late. Ospreys as bad as they are, should win.

An Tarbh
14-10-05, 07:04 PM
jesus cavan what&#39;s the story with the minging new crest at UCD, much prefer the old one.

And getting back on topic, good to see O&#39;Kelly making a comeback to the Leinster squad for the game against Cardiff, don&#39;t know if there&#39;s enough time for him to regain full fitness ahead of the Autumn games.

loratadine
14-10-05, 07:05 PM
super shane will carve up connacht

theres a saying in wales

"when shanes on fire, the ospreys soar"

edinburgh_gunner
15-10-05, 01:25 PM
Edinburgh struggled to beat a very average Dragons side last night. Poor hands from Edinburgh in key moments (2 or 3 passes that would have made the try were dropped). Missed tackles aswell but the worst part of the evening for Edinburgh had to have been the ref. Hardly any decisions went our way...so many times the dragons held the ball on the deck, used there hands, knocked on and the ref didn&#39;t pick up on the vast majority. He pinged Edinburgh for...well f*** knows why some times. Not an overly impressive performance. We&#39;re really going to have to up it if we&#39;re going to beat London Waps a week tomorrow. Can&#39;t wait for that game though...great crowd expected.

loratadine
15-10-05, 02:05 PM
i cant see edinburgh beating london wasps, but you never know, if they have a good crowd there it could spur them on, i hope they win.

edinburgh_gunner
15-10-05, 05:08 PM
Well our squad&#39;s good enough to win at Murrayfield. I don&#39;t believe in crowds making a difference though....I know your obsessed with you &#39;Millenium Stadium Factor&#39; but in my opinion when it comes down to it, it&#39; s 15 on 15 on a Rugby pitch. Certainly doesn&#39;t affect me when I play, most players are so concentrated on the game they don&#39;t take notice.

loratadine
15-10-05, 05:18 PM
yeah but mate theres a big diff between playing in front of 30 parents at a park than 75,000 at the national stadium, saying that a crowd doesnt lift or even intimidate players is silly.

harrison2468
15-10-05, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 16 2005, 01:05 AM
i cant see edinburgh beating london wasps, but you never know, if they have a good crowd there it could spur them on, i hope they win.
But you could see the Blues win AWAY at them...

Good omen for the Gunners?

loratadine
15-10-05, 07:41 PM
maybe it is - i hope so anyways.

cavan
17-10-05, 11:33 AM
tarbh i hate it too, it&#39;s a shambles. We all go to University College Dublin Dublin now don&#39;t ya know!!

edinburgh_gunner
17-10-05, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Oct 15 2005, 05:18 PM
yeah but mate theres a big diff between playing in front of 30 parents at a park than 75,000 at the national stadium, saying that a crowd doesnt lift or even intimidate players is silly.
Good players block out everything and so they only concentrate on the game. You can be intimidated by the opposition but as i&#39;ve said, when it comes down to it your just playing on a rugby pitch. England won the World Cup infront of Australias fans, are New Zealand a good team cause of their crowd or cause of their abillity and skill? Scotland normally play in front of 50,000 plus (thats the mininum when we play a diddy team...like wales http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif ) but we&#39;re playing like a bunch of tools just now!

edinburgh_gunner
17-10-05, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468+Oct 15 2005, 07:26 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (harrison2468 @ Oct 15 2005, 07:26 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@Oct 16 2005, 01:05 AM
i cant see edinburgh beating london wasps, but you never know, if they have a good crowd there it could spur them on, i hope they win.
But you could see the Blues win AWAY at them...

Good omen for the Gunners? [/b]
He thinks the Blues can beat Wasps in london? hahahahhahaha, Edinburgh are 4 places above them in the Celtic league! Sure they&#39;ve got Lomu now but he&#39;s only there on a temporary basis and it&#39;s not like he&#39;ll turn them into world beaters!

An Tarbh
20-10-05, 10:18 PM
right then will be interesting to see how the teams who are going well in the Celtic league get on in the HEC this weekend.

This time last year it was the Ospreys heading the way yet they were hockeyed in France at the hands of Castres, will Munster succumb to the same fate at Edgley Park tomorow night.

Ulster shouldn&#39;t have too many problems at home to Treviso, despite their massive improvements last season. Ulster have made some shrewd signings and their younger players are certainly coming on well.

As for Leinster and Edinburgh, who have also made reasonable starts to the league tougher tasks await them this weekend, Leinster home to Bath is a 50/50 call, while Edinburgh&#39;s task is slightly more daunting despite having home advantage against the 2004 champions Wasps, to have any chance of matching their quarter final performance of 2 years ago it&#39;s a must win game but a massive ask methinks.

I&#39;d say 2 out of 4 wins for these sides, Ulster being the banker and only 1 from 3 out of the rest. I know I&#39;m sitting on the fence but whatever way I look at them I just keep coming out with different conclusions.

edinburgh_gunner
21-10-05, 01:30 PM
Edinburgh have been delt a blow as Rob Dewey is ruled out for a while because of a shoulder injury which also requires surgery. Yes we&#39;ve got a chance at beating them - we beat Toulouse two years ago - but your right An....it&#39;s a massive task. To be honest I would rather see us concentrate on the Celtic League cause we&#39;ve got to be in with a shout in that.

edinburgh_gunner
19-11-05, 07:45 PM
Forgot to post, another fantastic performance away from home. A bonus point win over Leinster. Can&#39;t wait untill we play Munster, that&#39;ll be a top of the table decider.

An Tarbh
02-12-05, 04:17 PM
Back to action for the Scots and Irish after the Autumn Internationals, two all Irish clashes to look forward to this weekend, Leinster taking on Connacht in Galway while Ulster travel to Cork to take on Munster, while Glasgow take on Edinburgh to complete the trio of derby clashes this weekend.

Was wondering, as I haven&#39;t heard anything, but what&#39;s the story with O&#39;Kelly&#39;s injury and how long will he be out for?

el_tk
03-12-05, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 2 2005, 05:17 PM
Was wondering, as I haven&#39;t heard anything, but what&#39;s the story with O&#39;Kelly&#39;s injury and how long will he be out for?
They&#39;re hoping to have him back for Bourgoin next week.

Leinster were dodgy at times today but they eventually won 21-9. The scrum was worringly crap though.

An Tarbh
03-12-05, 11:47 PM
Well that&#39;s alright then, first match is in the RDS right? What were conditions like today, playing Connacht away at the start of December doesn&#39;t exactly fill you with the idea of great conditions for running rugby.

edinburgh_gunner
04-12-05, 06:35 PM
A rather crap Edinburgh performance today, loosing 46-6 to Glasgow. Possibly due to the fact that we have alot more national players, most of them either on the bench or not playing today. Excuses aside, very poor indeed.

el_tk
26-12-05, 11:18 PM
Leinster beat Ulster today 24-19 in Ravenhill although I didn&#39;t see it because Setanta bizzarely didn&#39;t show it after advertising it. BOD made his comeback as well.

edinburgh_gunner
27-12-05, 12:38 AM
Good result for Edinburgh. We just need to keep up winning at home, it&#39;s really now fortress murayfield. We&#39;ve only lost twice there in 2005.

An Tarbh
27-12-05, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by el_tk@Dec 26 2005, 11:18 PM
Leinster beat Ulster today 24-19 in Ravenhill although I didn&#39;t see it because Setanta bizzarely didn&#39;t show it after advertising it. BOD made his comeback as well.
Crazy stuff from Setanta, surely to Christ Ulster Leinster is bigger than Munster Connacht yet they&#39;ll show that match today. **** sake they were showing a rerun of the quarter final from Italia 90 when they could actually have shown a pretty decent game of rugby.

Flamingo
27-12-05, 08:51 PM
Great win for the Blues today! stuffed the Dragons

Blues are turning into a good side! celtic league record attendance broken

and Lomu scored his first try!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

edinburgh_gunner
27-12-05, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh+Dec 27 2005, 02:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Dec 27 2005, 02:30 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-el_tk@Dec 26 2005, 11:18 PM
Leinster beat Ulster today 24-19 in Ravenhill although I didn&#39;t see it because Setanta bizzarely didn&#39;t show it after advertising it. BOD made his comeback as well.
Crazy stuff from Setanta, surely to Christ Ulster Leinster is bigger than Munster Connacht yet they&#39;ll show that match today. **** sake they were showing a rerun of the quarter final from Italia 90 when they could actually have shown a pretty decent game of rugby. [/b]
It&#39;s all about the rights/demand and all that. There may be more people wanting to see Munster play than Ulster or it could be as simple as some stupid clause in the contract. Setanta are pretty poor anyway, I never watch games on it.

gjohn85
27-12-05, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Flamingo@Dec 28 2005, 08:51 AM
Great win for the Blues today! stuffed the Dragons

Blues are turning into a good side! celtic league record attendance broken

and Lomu scored his first try!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
Yeah, it was a good win for the Blues. WTF has happened to the Dragons, they played awful.

I can&#39;t believe that they gave Jonah man of the match, OK he had a good game but it should of gone to either Rush or Powell.

I hope that Powell gets called up for the Welsh team. He the perfect substitute for Ryan Jones, he big strong fast & more importantly a ball carrier.

An Tarbh
27-12-05, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by edinburgh_gunner+Dec 27 2005, 10:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (edinburgh_gunner @ Dec 27 2005, 10:03 PM)</div>

Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 27 2005, 02:30 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-el_tk@Dec 26 2005, 11:18 PM
Leinster beat Ulster today 24-19 in Ravenhill although I didn&#39;t see it because Setanta bizzarely didn&#39;t show it after advertising it. BOD made his comeback as well.
Crazy stuff from Setanta, surely to Christ Ulster Leinster is bigger than Munster Connacht yet they&#39;ll show that match today. **** sake they were showing a rerun of the quarter final from Italia 90 when they could actually have shown a pretty decent game of rugby.
It&#39;s all about the rights/demand and all that. There may be more people wanting to see Munster play than Ulster or it could be as simple as some stupid clause in the contract. Setanta are pretty poor anyway, I never watch games on it. [/b]
Well they have the rights so they should have shown the game. It&#39;s pretty much a given that there would be more interest in Ireland in the Ulster Leinster game than the Munster Connacht match.

Decent enough win for Munster tonight, actually able to get the bonus point this time, unlike the 2 HEC games with the Dragons.

Saturday should be a pretty decent game at the RDS with both sides resting players ahead of the game, obvious where the focus lies, decent match in the buildup to the final 2 pool games for the HEC.

edinburgh_gunner
28-12-05, 01:01 AM
Yeah I agree it should have been, what was on paper, a more interesting match. The point I was making was that it might be a clause, the can&#39;t always show Leinster/Ulster games or something stupid like that. Or it could be something as silly as Munster are top of the league and so generate most interest (so income). Brains aren&#39;t Setanta&#39;s strong point really.

Good result for Munster, bad for Edinburgh. Still, that game in a few weeks is looking tasty!

An Tarbh
28-12-05, 02:12 PM
Yeah there could be that alright.

You&#39;ll certainly be hoping for a Leinster win on Saturday to improve your chances. Think it&#39;ll be a close one alright, certainly hope it&#39;s not as bad as our last game against Munster.

An Tarbh
28-12-05, 02:34 PM
Scarlets v Ospreys is off, something to do with the pitch. Seems like the Scarlets wanted to play the match but the Ospreys don&#39;t seem to have been up for it. Ref has decided that there&#39;s patches of the pitch unplayable.

Interesting though that Shane Williams would have played at scrum half.

loratadine
28-12-05, 02:50 PM
shane williams, is a good scrum half IMO, but also IMO he is better on the wing.

edinburgh_gunner
28-12-05, 02:50 PM
Aye I&#39;ll be supporting Leinster this weekend but it&#39;s all fine and well Munster loosing but we need to keep up winning with bonus points.

An Tarbh
28-12-05, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 28 2005, 02:50 PM
shane williams, is a good scrum half IMO, but also IMO he is better on the wing.
Has he played much there in the past?

cavan
28-12-05, 06:32 PM
yeah he was always originally a scrum half. they only threw him on the wing pre RWC 2003. Am i right about this?

DC
30-12-05, 04:09 PM
i believe so, the mans only 5 foot 8 inches, not to tall for a winger, thats about the average scrum half height..

loratadine
30-12-05, 05:48 PM
yeah shane williams was a scrum half pre 2003, but was nothing specail there, he rarely found the space to cause danger, and shane is at his best where this space to attack.

anyways back to the celtic league - at the new year stage my thoughts and feelings are - cardiff blues and the scarlets are well and truly back, and the foremost - the blues will be there or there abouts at the end of the season

my top 5 prediction is

cardiff blues 70
munster 69
gunners 68
scarlets 67
ulster 64

loratadine
30-12-05, 09:22 PM
shane williams will start at sh against the dragons on sunday - NEW YEARS DAY

An Tarbh
30-12-05, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 30 2005, 05:48 PM
yeah shane williams was a scrum half pre 2003, but was nothing specail there, he rarely found the space to cause danger, and shane is at his best where this space to attack.

anyways back to the celtic league - at the new year stage my thoughts and feelings are - cardiff blues and the scarlets are well and truly back, and the foremost - the blues will be there or there abouts at the end of the season

my top 5 prediction is

cardiff blues 70
munster 69
gunners 68
scarlets 67
ulster 64
Are you taking the ****?

loratadine
30-12-05, 09:43 PM
no - the cardiff blues are more than a match for anyone at the moment

munster are the mirror of the national side, one dimensional, and teams are starting to clokc onto them - hence the reason they aint as dominant as they once were.

An Tarbh
30-12-05, 09:54 PM
They&#39;ll still top the table and most likely win the Celtic Cup as well.

You do seem to have forgotten about Leinster as well.

loratadine
30-12-05, 10:10 PM
leinster are shocking IMO
and the blues would rag them at the moment

the celtic cup was scrapped i believe.

SmokeyMonkey
30-12-05, 11:31 PM
Jeez lora the Blouse might be improving but just because they beat a poor and underperforming Dragons team at home with a few faulty tries dosen&#39;t mean they&#39;ll demolish the rest of the league.

edinburgh_gunner
30-12-05, 11:52 PM
The Celtic Cup was replaced with the Rainbow cup.

Lora, your inabillity to predict amuses me. Musnter are too strong just now (though I expect them to loose at Murrayfield in a couple weeks http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif) and Edinburgh have won everygame at Murrayfield in the Celtic League so far. I appreciate your patriotic, and I am too with Scotland, but it blinds you to see past the fact that Wales aren&#39;t all that great. I expect you to use your usual petty comback, &#39;nya nyah Scotland are pish, nyah nyah&#39;. Your predictions are rubbish.

Too tight to call just now (I know Munster are ahead by 5 points but I&#39;m hoping that defecit can be reduced on the 7th) but I think the top 3 will be Edinburgh, Munster and Ulster (doesn&#39;t mean that&#39;s what I think it&#39;ll be - purely alphabetical) and only seperated by a few points, 4 at most.

loratadine
31-12-05, 12:07 AM
my predictions aint that patriotic - i am an ospreys fan through and through and i expect them to finnish mid table, i think the blues will finnish top as they have a beasty pack - the best prop in the world, a mobile and robust backrow, argruably the second best sh in the cl and they have an exciting back line.

and by the way the rainbow cup hasnt been given the go ahead yet, and even if it had it would start till september/october

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 12:23 AM
There&#39;s no Celtic Cup this year cause the Rainbow Cup will probably replace it. Plus this stupid Anglo-Welsh Cup that the WRU insisted on doing. IMO Wales should&#39;ve been kicked out for it, let them go run to England as they so often do when it suits them (not just Rugby).

Cardiff have had this suposed brilliant back all season but they&#39;re still languishing mid-table. The pack isn&#39;t even that great and I presume that the &#39;best prop in the world&#39; is Welsh? Yes, I thought so. Face it Lora, Welsh rugby&#39;s off the pace this season.

loratadine
31-12-05, 12:32 AM
no i beg to differ - we had a slow start granted - but its not really any different to last year.

ok we have no on et present challenging in the cl - but our regions have games in hand and if the blues or the scralets pick up wins it would thrust them right into the fray - last year the welsh regions were complete an utter ****e in the hec - this year apart from the dragons they have been ok, with each one pulling of some good performances and the blues looking a dead cert for the qf.

the autum series last year wales lost to both of the big teams they played, this year we started of slow and got better as time went on - the fiji game was shocking but there was signs during the sa game that we were finding our feet and the aus game it showed, where we played some scintilating rugby.This aint the case of being biased its just my logic - last year pur regions were crap - i dont rlly count the cl as a proper competition if im honest and it really should be scrapped - this idea that its a nh s12/14 is farsical. i think that the national team will still be very competitive this year and i do think that they will win at least 3 games in the 6 nations with eng and fra being very close.

gethin jenkins IMO is the best prop in the world, its got nothing to do with the fact hes welsh its just my opinion. what youre saying is that i only think hes the best prop in the world because hes welsh - well i dont think stephen jones is the best fly half in the world just because hes welsh - so youre arguement there is slightly flawed.

i am patriotic i wont deny that or hide away from it - i always try to be positive and always believe we will win - what the point thinking that where going to loose. Rugby is our national game and is steeped with rich tradition and history - and i love that history - in my opinion though a team that beats australlia is not going through a rough patch - compared to what wales have been used to in the 90&#39;s if thats a rough patch im sure we&#39;ll take it.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 08:24 AM
How the hell can you say a welsh team will win the CL? It&#39;s all fine and well them winning their games in hand but do you think that Munster, Edinburgh and Ulster are going to start loosing? No, we&#39;re not. Why? Cause we&#39;re better than all of the welsh teams. Edinburgh have only lost once to a welsh team this year (though I&#39;ll grant you we&#39;ve only played Llanelli twice and the Dragons once) and that was only because they were lucky enough to have a fourth official who can&#39;t add right. I&#39;ll put money on a Welsh team NOT finnishing inside the top 3.

Don&#39;t want to turn this into a Jenkins debate but he&#39;s not the best prop in the world, not even the NH. Hayman and Sheridan are the best props I think. Don&#39;t get me wrong, he&#39;s good but he&#39;s not anything special.

loratadine
31-12-05, 11:57 AM
thats youre opinion it depends what type of game youre side is going to play, sheridan would not be welcome in the welsh team we prefer a more all rounded prop - not a f***ing one trick pony

harrison2468
31-12-05, 12:33 PM
thats youre opinion it depends what type of game youre side is going to play, sheridan would not be welcome in the welsh team we prefer a more all rounded prop - not a f***ing one trick pony
LMAO! Sheridan is a better ball carrier than Horsman, but you guys were so desperate to have him. Seriously though, you don&#39;t have to BS your feelings behind being patriot. England would love a SH like Peel and a centre like Shanklin. I suppose none of the English players would be wanted by Wales though...

[/QUOTE]argruably the second best sh in the cl[quote]

Well that is debeatable. I&#39;m not pretending to know a lot about the CL but I&#39;m pretty sure that the list starts

Cuister
Peel
Blair

than maybe Phillips. He is no way better than Cuister or Peel.

SmokeyMonkey
31-12-05, 01:13 PM
Just thought you guys might wanna take a look at this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_unio...ble/default.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/celtic_lge_table/default.stm)

Look at matches played and points. Win = possible 5 points


Originally posted by harrison2468 Posted on Dec 31 2005@ 12:33 PM
Well that is debeatable. I&#39;m not pretending to know a lot about the CL but I&#39;m pretty sure that the list starts

Cuister
Peel
Blair

But not in that order.

loratadine
31-12-05, 01:50 PM
percisely the gunners are only 7 pts above the blues and they have two games in hand

and cussiter is not a better player than peel - no way.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 01:57 PM
Dunno, When Cusiter is on form he&#39;s good. Bit inexperienced though so if I had to choose between the two of them I&#39;d take Peel.

Cardiff only have one game in hand, Edinburgh don&#39;t play this weekend and have the 4 points for the &#39;free weekend&#39;. So Cardiff aren&#39;t anywhere near us just now. Silly boy/girl whatever you are.

harrison2468
31-12-05, 02:07 PM
IMO Cuister has performed well behind a poor pack. Peel is an excellent player as well but I would take Cuister over Peel, although I expect more would prefer Peel.

However, this is irrelevant in the arguement, since Lora said Phillips is the second best in the league. Anyone else agree?

Also,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
and cussiter is not a better player than peel - no way.[/b]

can&#39;t you put some sort of arguement across WHY he is, rather than just stating it so.

loratadine
31-12-05, 02:42 PM
cusiter is a predictable run of the mill sh - where as i prefer a more enigmatic sh - peel is always alert - cusiter aint as fast as peel

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 02:42 PM
Leinster currently 28-23 up on Munster.

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 02:44 PM
and Contepomi&#39;s just sealed the bonus for us.

**** sake though we don&#39;t have the best record against Munster but the way Robson was going on you&#39;d swear we hadn&#39;t beaten Munster in years. We&#39;ve lost our last 3 to Munster, that&#39;s hardly a slump.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 02:49 PM
Hopefully you&#39;ll win. Also means Munster would be comming to Murrayfield on the back of a defeat and we&#39;d be rested so hopefully that would work for us.

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 02:52 PM
Not necessarily, Munster are never the team you want to face after a defeat, will only focus them more for the task in hand, plus they won&#39;t want to be going to Castres with back to back defeats. They seem to have that freakish ability of bouncing back from bad defeats.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 02:57 PM
Yeah, though it&#39;s at Murrayfield so I&#39;m confident we can win though not with the bonus I think. I&#39;d hoped Leinster wouldn&#39;t get the bonus today but it&#39;s no biggy.

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 03:02 PM
Was dissappointed with Munster today, they were dominant up front for large periods, particularly in the first half yet they couldn&#39;t take their chances, credit to the Leinster defence but the Munster pack should have come away with more scores, if they can be a bit more clinical next week then they&#39;ll probably come away with the win.

haven&#39;t seen a huge amount of Edinburgh since this year so I don&#39;t know where they&#39;ll pose problems for Munster, although credit to Edinburgh for their home record this season, methinks this&#39;ll be a close one.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 03:10 PM
Our forwards have been really good this season, line outs (bar the Borders game) have been top notch I think. I&#39;m lucky to have a season ticket at Edinburgh so I get to see the best of them. I think we&#39;re just as good as Munster so we can win...it&#39;ll be tough but there&#39;s no reason as to why we can&#39;t. It&#39;ll probably be a draw though... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 03:11 PM
Draw sounds great, let&#39;s Leinster take advantage.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 03:19 PM
I&#39;m glad Edinburgh won in Leinster already, cause they way your picking up results now makes it sound tough.

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 03:21 PM
Yeah was dissappointed with that one, being an international weekend we should have done better considering all the Edinburgh players who would have been off with the Scottish setup, doesn&#39;t say much for our strength in depth.

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 03:43 PM
Dissappointing loss for Ulster at the Sportsground. Really should have been 4 points for Ulster on paper. Doesn&#39;t count for much though quite often, Connacht are always a tricky team to play against, they may be limited but can certainly be effective with their gameplan. Should be looking to get off the bottom and even push for that playoff spot, although would take a huge effort from now till the end of the season.

harrison2468
31-12-05, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 31 2005, 02:44 PM
and Contepomi&#39;s just sealed the bonus for us.
An Tarbh, how did Felipe play today, and how has he been going this season for Leinster?

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 04:27 PM
He&#39;s a legend, had a decent game, got binned in the second half, made some great breaks, really gets the backs ticking, and of course finished it off with a try in the corner to get the bonus. Class act. Needs to improve his discipline a little, that&#39;s 2 yellows in 3 games.

el_tk
31-12-05, 04:47 PM
Leinster were class today, Contepomi&#39;s two tries were brilliant.

Twice the ref let ROG put the ball back on the tee after it fell for a conversion and didn&#39;t let Leinster charge.

I have to find my friend&#39;s dad (fanatical Munster fan) and ask him which hurt more: Hearing the final whistle or watching his pack get pushed over their own line.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 05:01 PM
Leinster now enter the fray for the Celtic League title. 4 teams can win, Munster, Edinburgh, Leinster and Ulster are all sepeated by only a few points.

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 05:02 PM
Don&#39;t forget Cardiff http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

harrison2468
31-12-05, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 31 2005, 04:27 PM
He&#39;s a legend, had a decent game, got binned in the second half, made some great breaks, really gets the backs ticking, and of course finished it off with a try in the corner to get the bonus. Class act. Needs to improve his discipline a little, that&#39;s 2 yellows in 3 games.
Cheers An Tarbh, good to hear he is doing so well. Always been a flair player.

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Dec 31 2005, 06:02 PM
Don&#39;t forget Cardiff http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Oh yes Cardiff! I&#39;m running down to put a bet on them! Lora said so!

harrison2468
31-12-05, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by edinburgh_gunner+Dec 31 2005, 05:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (edinburgh_gunner @ Dec 31 2005, 05:32 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-An Tarbh@Dec 31 2005, 06:02 PM
Don&#39;t forget Cardiff* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Oh yes Cardiff! I&#39;m running down to put a bet on them! Lora said so! [/b]
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif Don&#39;t do that! I saw his prediction for Irish-Wasps today, and went down, put 100 quid on irish, and they lost!

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 30 2005, 10:10 PM
leinster are shocking IMO
and the blues would rag them at the moment
care to elaborate?

loratadine
31-12-05, 06:59 PM
yes - the blues are a better team than them IMO

An Tarbh
31-12-05, 07:19 PM
Seriously your indepth answers blow me away at times

edinburgh_gunner
31-12-05, 08:26 PM
Lora, let&#39;s take a look at your track record -

PREDICTION
Wales to beat NZ - NZ wiped the floor with Wales
Wales to beat South Africa - SA comfortable winners
Wales to beat Australia - Holly crap you got this one right! Have a biscuit
NZ to hump Scotland - NZ won but it was far from comfortable
Irish to beat Wasps - Wrong


So if my maths is any good out of the predictions I can remember you&#39;ve only got 1 right. Not that great is it?

loratadine
01-01-06, 11:54 AM
well i didnt think wales would win the gs last season and they did.

so maybe youre right.

loratadine
01-01-06, 06:21 PM
disgusting by the ospreys today - there looking one dimensional and are severely lacking confidence

the big game now in my eyes in terms of the regions prospects comes tommorow

the blues vs scarlets

daffyd james is given the job of marking lomu - and im sorry to say - well actually as a welshmen im not - but i think in present circumstances james will eat him alive.

edinburgh_gunner
01-01-06, 09:57 PM
I dunno if he&#39;ll &#39;eat him alive&#39; but Jonah&#39;s one big muthaf***a and I could still trample defenders. But I think I know where your comming from. Lomu&#39;s been injured for a long, long time so he won&#39;t be all that brilliant. That said - he&#39;ll still do some damage.

loratadine
01-01-06, 10:15 PM
lomu has of yet havent really faced a big high quality winger since returning - i would be impressed if he gets the better of james - who is IMO a great winger.

edinburgh_gunner
01-01-06, 10:43 PM
Aye but if he wasn&#39;t Welsh you wouldn&#39;t say that http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

loratadine
01-01-06, 11:14 PM
thats just crap aye - i think lamont is a great winger. and hes scotish

edinburgh_gunner
02-01-06, 12:11 PM
You only say that cause you know that you were to say otherwise I&#39;d take the train down to Wales and kick you in the nads!

loratadine
02-01-06, 06:38 PM
cardiff blues 13
scarlets 32

scarlets picked up bonus point today - which leaves them on 28 pts after playing 9 games

they have two games in hand on all the teams above them, if they won those two games they would be on 36 pts - one pt below munster - if they would win them two with bonus points they would leapfrog munster.

so much for people laughing that a welsh region would be challenging this year, i still think the blues will finnish strongly and in the top 5. but after this fanatstic performance against the blues i fancy them to battle it out at the top.

edinburgh_gunner
02-01-06, 06:46 PM
Too little too late at this stage of the season I&#39;m affraid. They&#39;ll finnish above where they are know but it&#39;ll be and irish or scottish team winning the league this year.

An Tarbh
02-01-06, 07:37 PM
We&#39;ll see if the Scarlets are title challengers this Saturday when they play Leinster, despite your affirmations that Leinster are shocking.

loratadine
02-01-06, 07:54 PM
where is this match home or away.
if its home i would expect the scarlets to win - away may prove a bridge to far againt leinster

An Tarbh
02-01-06, 07:58 PM
Jeez we may as well not show up with the match being in Llanelli.

Flamingo
02-01-06, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Jan 3 2006, 07:58 AM
Jeez we may as well not show up with the match being in Llanelli.
Over-reaction? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif

An Tarbh
02-01-06, 08:03 PM
Sorry thought the sarcasm was a given.

Despite Loratadine&#39;s claim that Leinster are shocking he clearly hasn&#39;t watched any of our recent matches, we&#39;re showing decent form, nothing amazing but not many teams beat Ulster in Ravenhill and back it up with a win over Munster, it&#39;ll definitely be an interesting match on Saturday, more magic from the best 10 in the league and we&#39;ll be alright.

loratadine
02-01-06, 08:34 PM
thats is until stephen jones returns http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

el_tk
02-01-06, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Jan 2 2006, 09:03 PM
, more magic from the best 10 in the league and we&#39;ll be alright.
Not to mention the form centre pairing of the world and Dempsey swerving up the pitch like a thinly-haired machete, and Rob Kearney back so Dempsey never has to place kick again.

And of course Will Green, who after 78 minutes of play can still make a supporting run halfway up the pitch, stay with the pace, then take an offload.

loratadine
02-01-06, 08:40 PM
i cant see leinster beating the scarlets at stradey - i can see it now becoming somewhat of a fortress

martin madden is a collosus and will own the opposing prop,

with dwayne peel - the best sh in the world
and the centre partneship of king and m.jwatkins
and of course the power and pace of both daffyd james and mark jones - who once again scored a mesmerising try today - quite simply the best potential winger in the world.

An Tarbh
02-01-06, 08:41 PM
I think there&#39;s enough threat throughout the Leinster team to pose the Scarlets one or two problems, can&#39;t really judge whether Stradey is a fortress when they&#39;ve only played 4 league games

loratadine
02-01-06, 08:44 PM
i did actually say that i think it will now become a fortress - the fans are really getting behind the team and there playing a combination of a forward driven game and a fast fluid game - they look damm good at stradey

im going for

scarlet 26
leinster 15

el_tk
02-01-06, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 2 2006, 09:40 PM
i cant see leinster beating the scarlets at stradey - i can see it now becoming somewhat of a fortress
and pace of both daffyd james
Daffyd James? Pace? The man is a defensive winger. If Kearney lines up opposite him he won&#39;t have a hope.

Regan King and Watkins over BOD and Flash Gordon?

It doesn&#39;t matter if Madden (who is class BTW) owns the opposing prop because Leinster can win with a small percentage of posession. Then with about 15 minutes to go Cheika will throw on two Lions to finish the job. And the Scarlets will have been bested.

loratadine
02-01-06, 11:03 PM
nah they will loose.

scarlets will win this won - itll be a good game but the scarlets backline is phenomenal

An Tarbh
02-01-06, 11:03 PM
as opposed to Leinster&#39;s which is mediocre http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

loratadine
02-01-06, 11:06 PM
leinsters backline is good, but i just cant see them winning down at stradey with the scarlets now playing with confidence and panache

edinburgh_gunner
03-01-06, 08:04 AM
My money&#39;s on Leinster.

Lora - you&#39;ve changed your tune! From &#39;Oh Cardiff are amazing! Oh how good they are&#39; to &#39;Oh Llanelli are amazing!&#39;. You&#39;ve changed your mind more times than I&#39;ve changed my socks! (slight hyperbole but hey....I&#39;m amazing http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif )

I look at the league table last night, and while Llanelli do have 2 games in hand, they have to win those games. Plus they have to beat Edinburgh at Murrayfield and only Toulouse have managed that this year (and that was a pretty close run thing I might add) aswell as beating Munster, Ulster and Leinster. Plus we all have to start loosing games.


Right, now on to the big game this weekend! Top of the table clash, Edinburgh v. Munster. I think Edinburgh can win...and they might. Equally...it could be Munster who end our 9 month unbeaten run in the CL at Murrayfield (I love mentioning that - not very often you get to brag being Scottish) so the I think the jury&#39;s very much out on this one. Either way, it&#39;s going to be grand and I always enjoy the Munster supporters banter when they come across so I look forward to that!

An Tarbh
04-01-06, 07:06 PM
2 possible injury worries for Munster include O&#39;Gara and David Wallace. Jeremy Manning or Paul Burke could come in and replace O&#39;Gara who picked up an eye injury in the New Year&#39;s clash at the RDS. Wallace has a back injury.

Denis Hickie and Rob Kearney have been included in a squad of 28 for the Llanelli match this Saturday. Michael Cheika has hinted that he won&#39;t make much changes from the Munster match saying he&#39;ll play close to a full strength team in the run up to the final 2 HEC pool games.

An Tarbh
05-01-06, 06:37 PM
Scarlets have named their team for Saturday evening&#39;s clash with Leinster at Stradey. Daffyd James has been rested while Mike Hercus starts at 10 partnering Dwayne Peel in a puzzling decision.

Scarlets: Barry Davies; Mark Jones, Matthew Watkins, Regan King, Leigh Burn; Mike Hercus, Dwayne Peel; Craig Dunlea, Matthew Rees, Martyn Madden, Hottie Louw, Adam Jones, Dafydd Jones, Simon Easterby (capt), Alix Popham.
Replacements: John Davies, Craig Hawkins, Vernon Cooper, Gavin Thomas, Clive Stuart-Smith, Gareth Bowen, Garan Evans

edinburgh_gunner
05-01-06, 11:45 PM
A couple good games this weekend, the top one is definatley the Edinburgh Munster game.

Edinburgh have made some changes to their team that bet the Borders on Boxing Day. Leonelli is in for Webster who&#39;s injured and Dave Hewitt returns to the starting XV in place of Jacobson who is also carrying a knock.

Edinburgh&#39;s squad:
15 - H Southwell
14 - C Paterson (capt)
13 - M Di Rollo
12 - P Jorgensen
11 - F Leonelli
10 - P Godman
9 - M Blair
1 - D Hewett
2 - D Hall
3 - C Smith
4 - A Kellock
5 - S Murray
6 - A Hogg,
8 - S Taylor
7 - S Cross.

Substitutes A Kelly, A Dickinson, A Strokosch, A MacDonald, R Lawson, M Dey, M Pyke.

An Tarbh
06-01-06, 01:33 PM
Leinster team has pretty much been named with a couple of either/ors in the pack. Rob Kearney misses out with a back strain, that&#39;d better be the reason, if they&#39;re dropping him in favour of Lewis and Horgan, who&#39;s been cack all season, then serious questions need answering. O&#39;Kelly/Williams and Miller/Jowitt are the either/ors.

harrison2468
06-01-06, 02:52 PM
How good is this Kearney? International standard?

An Tarbh
06-01-06, 03:03 PM
Definitely, practically won the Senior Cup for Clongowes on his own a few years back. Has pace, hell of a boot and can place kick as well. People have been questioning his defence but it&#39;s come on in leaps and bounds. It&#39;s a pity that Eddie doesn&#39;t have the balls to pick him with Bowe on the wing for the Italy match.

Looks likely that as well as missing this weekend&#39;s match he won&#39;t make the Glasgow clash but should be back for the Bath game and should start considering Horgan&#39;s recent poor form.

cavan
06-01-06, 07:45 PM
if the fans picked the team then Kearney would be an international by now but he&#39;s only a young player and there&#39;s no need to rush him in just yet.

I played against him last year under 20&#39;s and yeah he was well ahead of the rest.

el_tk
06-01-06, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Jan 6 2006, 04:03 PM
considering Horgan&#39;s recent poor form.
He did alright against Munster, even if it was only Anthony Horgan he burned on the outside.

An Tarbh
06-01-06, 08:01 PM
Horgan&#39;s recent form has been nothing short of appaling, can&#39;t make a break to save his life, skinning Anthony Horgan doesn&#39;t count for much, he was ****e for the rest of the match, was crap in the games against Bourgoin, good thing he missed the Ulster game as well.

Kearney needs to be picked for Ireland, know he&#39;s young but he can&#39;t just be thrown in when the RWC comes around, there&#39;s not a better Irish winger around at the moment, he needs to get international gametime.

el_tk
06-01-06, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Jan 6 2006, 09:01 PM
Horgan&#39;s recent form has been nothing short of appaling, can&#39;t make a break to save his life, skinning Anthony Horgan doesn&#39;t count for much, he was ****e for the rest of the match, was crap in the games against Bourgoin, good thing he missed the Ulster game as well.

Kearney needs to be picked for Ireland, know he&#39;s young but he can&#39;t just be thrown in when the RWC comes around, there&#39;s not a better Irish winger around at the moment, he needs to get international gametime.
I thought him and D&#39;Arce played well in the home Bourgoin match. He&#39;s no winger at international level granted but I can see him starting in the 6N.

An Tarbh
06-01-06, 10:45 PM
He&#39;s just making too many mistakes, too many silly knockons getting turned over in the atckle way too much, even in that game there were too many mistakes.

I agree with you, he&#39;ll start the 6N but realistically there are better options, Hickie (admiteddly has to prove himself since his injury), Bowe, Murphy and Kearney are all international class wingers who should be ahead of Horgan in the pecking order, while BOD, D&#39;Arse and Trimble are ahead of him in the centre.

Symclaw
07-01-06, 02:53 PM
whats the BODmeister been like so far?

el_tk
07-01-06, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Symclaw@Jan 7 2006, 03:53 PM
whats the BODmeister been like so far?
Getting back to his best. I&#39;ll expect to see him coming closer to a full recovery at about 5.30 today.

el_tk
07-01-06, 05:38 PM
4 minutes in and Flash Gordon waltzes through the Scarlets&#39; defence for the opening try. Your boys are in for a long night Lora.

edinburgh_gunner
07-01-06, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by el_tk@Jan 7 2006, 06:38 PM
4 minutes in and Flash Gordon waltzes through the Scarlets&#39; defence for the opening try. Your boys are in for a long night Lora.
Nah...they&#39;ll be 50points down in the last play but Lora&#39;ll believe they can still win!

loratadine
07-01-06, 07:21 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
4 minutes in and Flash Gordon waltzes through the Scarlets&#39; defence for the opening try. Your boys are in for a long night Lora.[/b]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Nah...they&#39;ll be 50points down in the last play but Lora&#39;ll believe they can still win![/b]



really http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif maybe you should watch the whole game before spouting **** like that.

An Tarbh
07-01-06, 07:39 PM
unlucky for Contepomi, would have been harsh on the Scarlets though.

SmokeyMonkey
07-01-06, 07:57 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
4 minutes in and D&#39;arse waltzes through the Scarlets&#39; defence for the opening try. Your boys are in for a long night Lora.[/b]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Nah...they&#39;ll be 50points down in the last play but Lora&#39;ll believe they can still win![/b]

Gone quiet now have we? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

el_tk
07-01-06, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 7 2006, 08:21 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
4 minutes in and Flash Gordon waltzes through the Scarlets&#39; defence for the opening try. Your boys are in for a long night Lora.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Nah...they&#39;ll be 50points down in the last play but Lora&#39;ll believe they can still win![/b]



really http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif maybe you should watch the whole game before spouting **** like that. [/b][/quote]
Got shafted by that ridiculous half-breed ref. And Guy Easterby being a tosser.

loratadine
07-01-06, 09:33 PM
shut up now - the scarlets were the better team and perhaps should have won by a lager scoreline

An Tarbh
07-01-06, 09:43 PM
Not using this as an excuse but it&#39;s beyond me how those terrible twins are allowed to ref Celtic league matches, think they&#39;ve given one of the clowns a HEC match next weekend as well, thankfully we&#39;re playing a Scottish team so that rules him out. When you&#39;ve got refs like this incapable of seeing forward passes or having an awareness of the offside rule then you know you&#39;re in trouble.

edinburgh_gunner
07-01-06, 10:03 PM
Edinburgh lost by one point today.

The ref was diabolical and that&#39;s why Edinburgh lost. Binned Hewitt for nothing and when the munster prop tripped Leonelli on the way to the ball he pretended he didn&#39;t see it untill the touch judge brought it to his attention. Diabolical is the only word. The Munster fans were a laugh though.

edinburgh_gunner
07-01-06, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyMonkey@Jan 7 2006, 08:57 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
4 minutes in and D&#39;arse waltzes through the Scarlets&#39; defence for the opening try. Your boys are in for a long night Lora.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Nah...they&#39;ll be 50points down in the last play but Lora&#39;ll believe they can still win![/b]

Gone quiet now have we? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif [/b][/quote]
No - I was out...having a life. I don&#39;t spend all of my time on these boards. Fud.

loratadine
07-01-06, 10:16 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Edinburgh lost by one point today.

The ref was diabolical and that&#39;s why Edinburgh lost. Binned Hewitt for nothing and when the munster prop tripped Leonelli on the way to the ball he pretended he didn&#39;t see it untill the touch judge brought it to his attention. Diabolical is the only word. The Munster fans were a laugh though.[/b]


its the same for both teams - if a ref is bad it effects both team so therefore offers not tangable advantage - and as ive said the scarlets played quite a bit better

edinburgh_gunner
07-01-06, 10:21 PM
Oh no trust me. There were Munster players handling in the ruck, holding on etc and went completley un-noticed. Munster won on a couple of dodgey penalties and Edinburgh weren&#39;t given advantages when they would&#39;ve resulted in the try.

What they hell&#39;s Llanelli got to do with this?

An Tarbh
07-01-06, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 7 2006, 10:16 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
Edinburgh lost by one point today.

The ref was diabolical and that&#39;s why Edinburgh lost. Binned Hewitt for nothing and when the munster prop tripped Leonelli on the way to the ball he pretended he didn&#39;t see it untill the touch judge brought it to his attention. Diabolical is the only word. The Munster fans were a laugh though.


its the same for both teams - if a ref is bad it effects both team so therefore offers not tangable advantage - and as ive said the scarlets played quite a bit better [/b][/quote]
The most obvious thing with Changeling is how much he&#39;s influenced by the crowd, was quite keen to let forward passes go, then hears the crowd reaction and blows the whistle. His ineptitude just keeps increasing and one of these days he&#39;s going to get a higher profile game and start screwing up more important games.

But you&#39;re right about him today he was as bad for both teams, needs to get the chop though.

edinburgh_gunner
07-01-06, 10:31 PM
He&#39;s a Scots ref yeah? Most of our refs are total guff.

An Tarbh
07-01-06, 10:34 PM
One of the terrible twins, Dickson doesn&#39;t seem to be too bad, although by comparison that&#39;s not saying much, just doesn&#39;t seem to have fecked up as many matches as the twins.

Bad reffing isn&#39;t just confined to the Scots, look at ****ehouse in Wales and that clown who the IRFU let ref the Leinster Munster match last Saturday. Crazy stuff. Now the 6N is coming up some of the SH refs will probably take on some CL games like they did last year, can only be a good thing.

edinburgh_gunner
07-01-06, 11:31 PM
Well in the Scottish Colts leagues I&#39;ve only had one good ref (who actually sin binned me) and it&#39;s the same for 1st XV club sides.

An Tarbh
08-01-06, 12:45 AM
I think it&#39;s something that seriously needs to be looked at, the Celtic League is crying out for decent marketing and a proper sponsor yet when potential backers see reffing standards overly influencing the games it&#39;ll put them off, just look at the English Premiership or the Top14 and you can see how far ahead they are in terms of having decent refs, yes there&#39;s people who&#39;ll whinge about some in the Premiership but I&#39;d gladly have the likes of White, Spreadbury, Pearson, Jutdge, Darričre etc. compared to the twins, ****ehouse, mckay.

edinburgh_gunner
08-01-06, 01:01 AM
I agree one hundred percent with you there. Ironic that the refs are sponsored by specsavers though.

Surley a company like the Bank of Scotland who, are the second biggest Bank in Scotland, has a decent reach in Ireland aswell (don&#39;t know about Wales) would have an interest in such sponsorship? I&#39;m not saying they ARE interested, merely using them as an example.

The Celtic League sides are seemingly improving every year and the quality of the games has increased dramatically but yes, decent marketing is needed.

An Tarbh
08-01-06, 01:56 AM
I don&#39;t get how the sponsorship hasn&#39;t been sorted by now in all honesty, brutal reffing aside.

I don&#39;t know whether there&#39;d be a conflict of interest with Bank of Scotland what with them sponsoring Leinster, probably would rule them out.

As the ad says on the Celtic League website there&#39;d be massive advertising for the sponsors especially with the coverage being terrestrial in Ireland and Wales, not sure if Setanta Scotland is available on terrestrial, don&#39;t think so.

I seriously thought it would have been sorted 2 seasons ago when Llanelli and Ulster met in the winner takes all clash on the final day. Chance missed there as last season was nowhere near as exciting but this season has much improved on that so the powers that be need to act on it now while the interest is there.

edinburgh_gunner
08-01-06, 02:18 AM
Setanta scotland only shows football. That&#39;s available on freeview but Setanta Ireland (which shows the rugby) isn&#39;t. It&#39;s only available to those with digital TV. It is a farce that it&#39;s not been sorted but I could imagine there is alot of companies that it would appeal to.

cavan
09-01-06, 05:50 PM
you&#39;d think the CL would have multiple sponsors like the UEFA Champions League does if they can&#39;t find a single large sponsor to do it all.

An Tarbh
11-01-06, 12:32 AM
Think the people running the Celtic League need to take a long hard look at themselves, this sponsorship has been left on the back burner for far too long, I mean for **** sake how long has this ad been on the CL Website - Sponsorship (http://www.celticleague.com/2_24.php?PHPSESSID=66f3bc8785df7095dc32fe6e979b717 b)

edinburgh_gunner
27-01-06, 08:12 AM
Cardiff Blues v. Edinburgh at Arms Park this weekend.

I think Edinburgh will win, not comfortably, but we will. Leonelli is lined up opposite Lomu and that does look interesting. 11 changes from the team that lost to the Wasps and Rory Lawson is captain.


15 Nick De Luca

14 Francisco Leonelli
13 Phil Godman
12 Matt Dey
11 Simon Webster

10 Duncan Hodge
9 Rory Lawson CAPTAIN

1 Allan Jacobsen
2 Andrew Kelly
3 Alasdair Dickinson
4 Alasdair Strokosch
5 Dave Duley
6 Matt Mustchin
8 Dave Callam
7 Simon Cross

Substitutes

16 Kyle Traynor
17 Craig Smith
18 Ross Rennie
19 Alan MacDonald
20 Ander Monro
21 Peter Jorgensen
22 Michael Pyke


I look forward to seeing De Luca play, and Duley.

loratadine
27-01-06, 09:55 AM
im going for the blues just to pip this by 3 pts

Symclaw
27-01-06, 12:17 PM
Apparently, Dai Young was all set to quit last week. He&#39;s getting ****** off with the commoitment of his players according to Beeb.

loratadine
27-01-06, 01:44 PM
he should go - they need a fresh manager

An Tarbh
27-01-06, 03:07 PM
Gunners should win tonight, as should Leinster, Eddie&#39;s been kind to Leinster in his selection for the Italian game, pack is untouched with the exception of O&#39;Kelly and with Hickie, Kearney, Contepomi, Lewis and Easterby all still there, we have enough to make up for the inclusion of that muppet Hepworth. Will be interesting to see who Cheika and Knox look to bring in for the Toulouse match.

Leinster team:

15. Hickie, 14. Gary Brown, 13. Kieran Lewis, 12. Johnny Hepworth, 11. Rob Kearney, 10. Felipe Contepomi, 9. Guy Easterby, 1. Reggie Corrigan, 2. Brian Blaney, 3. Will Green, 4. Adam Byrnes, 5. Bryce Williams, 6. Eric Miller, 7. Keith Gleeson, 8. Jamie Heaslip.

An Tarbh
27-01-06, 09:30 PM
Great performance tonight from Leinster winning 62-14, some great running rugby, great performance from Conters and Easterby with Gleeson again showing EOS up as a prick for leaving him out, sqaud picked on form my arse. Hat trick from Gary Browne, even Hepworth managed to look decent at times, but also showed why he&#39;s so crap most of the time.

Edinburgh came away from Cardiff with the points to maintain their title challenge but without a bonus point, Llanelli again showing poor away form at Ulster, despite a decent start, with the White Knights comfortably winning by 30-13, no bp for Ulster though. Ospreys seemed to have given their drive for the European place a shot in the arm with a 22-8 win in Glasgow.

edinburgh_gunner
27-01-06, 11:17 PM
Pleased with that Edinburgh squad given how many of our players were rested.

Lora&#39;s awful quiet tonight though....http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

loratadine
27-01-06, 11:46 PM
the blues are a team low on confidence playing with no commitment it seems. As a rugby player - to wear the famous jersey of cardiff must be an honour and anyone who cannot get motivated for playing for such an historic and famous club where so many greats like gareth edwards have played needs to be shipped out quick

good win for the ospreys - hopefully we can build some momentum now and make a late serge to finnish in the top half.

edinburgh_gunner
27-01-06, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 27 2006, 11:46 PM
the blues are a team low on confidence playing with no commitment it seems. As a rugby player - to wear the famous jersey of cardiff must be an honour and anyone who cannot get motivated for playing for such an historic and famous club where so many greats like gareth edwards have played needs to be shipped out quick

good win for the ospreys - hopefully we can build some momentum now and make a late serge to finnish in the top half.
Got nothing to do with Edinburgh being a better side then?

Did you know Lora, that out of the Welsh sides, Edinburgh have only lost once - to Llanelli and that was a dubious defeat in the Celtic League. I&#39;m interested to see your take on that.

loratadine
28-01-06, 12:02 AM
i wasnt actually on about the gunners - the match was a scrappy afair and they did well to grind out a victory. the state of the regions is bad at the moment - and i think our talent is spread out too far.

we need to disband one of the regions - and make that region as a youth set up.

raziel_eire
28-01-06, 12:05 AM
Lora - what would you say is the national sport of Wales?

edinburgh_gunner
28-01-06, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 28 2006, 12:02 AM
i wasnt actually on about the gunners - the match was a scrappy afair and they did well to grind out a victory. the state of the regions is bad at the moment - and i think our talent is spread out too far.

we need to disband one of the regions - and make that region as a youth set up.
I agree with you on the regions. The WRU made a mess of them in the first place but I think it would be harsh to scrap one of them.

loratadine
28-01-06, 12:07 AM
it would but we just dont have the depth to have it spread out over four

the national sport of wales is rugby

what is the national sport of ireland?

An Tarbh
28-01-06, 12:12 AM
Hurling

raziel_eire
28-01-06, 12:13 AM
Gaelic football...

my question was in relation to you thinking your players are spread too thin as you have 4 regions...

Which region would you be willing to get rid of to setup the 3 better regions?
Llanelli and Cardiff I would presume are too "historic and famous club"s to remove, so that would leave a toss up between the Dragons and Ospreys... which would you pick to dump?

raziel_eire
28-01-06, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Jan 28 2006, 12:12 PM
Hurling

maybe in Munster and parts of Leinster...

loratadine
28-01-06, 12:15 AM
the dragons - the ospreys have a better set up - with a quality youth regime and a new stadium and training complex.

Symclaw
28-01-06, 12:17 AM
Mike Hall wants to use the dragons as a purely development based club.

raziel_eire
28-01-06, 12:18 AM
But what about all the folk in the valleys? Do they not deserve a representative team?

Or would you keep the team going but keep it at arms length (with lesser players etc) like a distant cousin (and not a proper brother, i.e Connacht in Ireland)

loratadine
28-01-06, 12:19 AM
i think that the dragons should be just gwent - and should not compete in the cl - but in the asda league - they should be a breading base for the future talent

raziel_eire
28-01-06, 12:25 AM
Could be a resolution, but how come there isn&#39;t enough good players to sustain 4 regions of good/decent standard?

The reason I ask is, if its the national sport, the game that people like (and play?) the most, then you (read Wales) should have enough players (of a high enough standard) to sustain at least 4 regions at the desirable level...

I mean, if there isn&#39;t the competiton between sports in the country (albeit a small country) is it not easier to get them in at an early age and develop?

loratadine
28-01-06, 12:26 AM
its hard in wales as the youth set up is so poor at the moment and the talent isnt be nurtured - however the signs do bode well for the future - with young guys like james hook coming up - remember that name.

raziel_eire
28-01-06, 12:28 AM
anything to George?

... should be a character if nothing else if he is http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

loratadine
28-01-06, 12:30 AM
not sure to be honest - but he looks a tremendous prospect - hes playing for neath at the moment - and will start at 10 for the u21 against england next friday

An Tarbh
28-01-06, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by raziel_eire+Jan 28 2006, 12:14 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (raziel_eire @ Jan 28 2006, 12:14 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-An Tarbh@Jan 28 2006, 12:12 PM
Hurling

maybe in Munster and parts of Leinster... [/b]
Officially it&#39;s the national sport, obviously gaelic is the bigger sport

Symclaw
28-01-06, 12:31 AM
even tho we suck balls at football, a lot of kids prefer it. There are more footie clubs in llanelli than rugby by a fair amount. it makes no sense, i know.

As for the dragons, keep them in the CL, but put them in the parker pen. The whole of the Asda league prem is for development anyway. Puttina county in a club comp would mess everything up

An Tarbh
28-01-06, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 28 2006, 12:30 AM
not sure to be honest - but he looks a tremendous prospect - hes playing for neath at the moment - and will start at 10 for the u21 against england next friday
don&#39;t worry Lora he&#39;s just a tv and radio pundit over here. lol

loratadine
28-01-06, 12:34 AM
lol - ive never heared of him - so didnt want to put my neck on the line

raziel_eire
28-01-06, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by An Tarbh+Jan 28 2006, 12:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (An Tarbh @ Jan 28 2006, 12:31 PM)</div>

Originally posted by raziel_eire@Jan 28 2006, 12:14 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-An Tarbh@Jan 28 2006, 12:12 PM
Hurling

maybe in Munster and parts of Leinster...
Officially it&#39;s the national sport, obviously gaelic is the bigger sport [/b]

well if your brought up in a Ulster, where your county&#39;s best hurling team have to play their league games in a diff county altogether... your taught football as the national sport thats most played - hurling is just a myth in Fermanagh! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

SmokeyMonkey
28-01-06, 05:09 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Did you know Lora, that out of the Welsh sides, Edinburgh have only lost once[/b]

WTF?! The Dragons beat you twice away last season in the CL and the HC!

edinburgh_gunner
28-01-06, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyMonkey@Jan 28 2006, 05:09 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
Did you know Lora, that out of the Welsh sides, Edinburgh have only lost once

WTF?! The Dragons beat you twice away last season in the CL and the HC! [/b][/quote]
*sighs* I meant this year, I thought that that would have been clear given the post is in the Celtic League 05/06. Silly boy!

SmokeyMonkey
28-01-06, 06:26 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
*sighs* I meant this year, I thought that that would have been clear given the post is in the Celtic League 05/06. Silly boy![/b]


Of course! I forgot I had MIND READING POWERS!!!!! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif

edinburgh_gunner
28-01-06, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyMonkey@Jan 28 2006, 06:26 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
*sighs* I meant this year, I thought that that would have been clear given the post is in the Celtic League 05/06. Silly boy!


Of course! I forgot I had MIND READING POWERS!!!!! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif [/b][/quote]
Just as well cause your common sense is cack. Think before you post wonder-boy!

An Tarbh
28-01-06, 10:06 PM
Once again we have reffing complaints, 2 tries disallowed for the Dragons in Musgrave park which most likely would have seen them beat Munster today, however once again Munster fail to get a bp against the weakest Welsh team albeit with 9 first team players.

edinburgh_gunner
28-01-06, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Jan 28 2006, 10:06 PM
Once again we have reffing complaints, 2 tries disallowed for the Dragons in Musgrave park which most likely would have seen them beat Munster today, however once again Munster fail to get a bp against the weakest Welsh team albeit with 9 first team players.
Musnter&#39;s failure to pick up the bonus point benefits Edinburgh and Leinster greatly. The quality of referees in this league leaves alot to be desired though.

cavan
28-01-06, 11:32 PM
how can you say the underage structure in Wales in struggling when they literally DOMINATING at under 21 level. Perhaps its because its the old club teams such as Neath etc which are producing them?

An Tarbh
07-02-06, 04:36 PM
Daft stuff today with the news that Leinster and the Borders will have a 9pm kickoff in their Celtic league match on Friday April 7, in order to avoid a clash with the Melrose 7s which take place the same weekend, the other alternative was a 4:30pm kickoff on the Sunday but Borders insist they will get a bigger crowd at the Friday game than the Sunday kick off. One strange thing is that apparently local transport shuts down about 11pm, doens&#39;t give much time to get out of the ground. Leinster are said to have no problem with the kick off time. Does seem a bit strange but Borders insist the late kickoff is a one off.

edinburgh_gunner
07-02-06, 05:10 PM
Probably less people will go on Friday, IE Families because of the late kick off. Is it in Scotland? Cause if so, Galashiels will be full of drunk folk by the time the game finnishes.

An Tarbh
07-02-06, 05:28 PM
Yeah it&#39;s in Scotland, Borders still think they&#39;ll get a better crowd on the Friday instead of the Sunday plus it&#39;ll probably be a full strength Leinster team which should help, maybe the drunks will head along and we might get a decent atmosphere.

cavan
07-02-06, 06:19 PM
Galashiels is a great town for rugby. I had a great time there. They get decent crowds there now and then but afterall it is Borders and 99% of the time you aint gonna pay money to watch them.

An Tarbh
14-02-06, 09:44 AM
so with an off weekend in the 6N it&#39;s back to Celtic League action, albeit without most of the international players, in the Irish teams that is, not sure about the others yet. Although the Irish players on the bench should get a game as EOS doesn&#39;t seem to be that aware of the concept of subs.

Should see the return of Mr Church for the Ospreys after he got time off for good behaviour in their match against the Borders.

Weekend Fixtures.

Fri 17 Feb 19:10 Ospreys v Border Reivers Liberty Stadium

Fri 17 Feb 19:30 Edinburgh Gunners v Ulster Murrayfield

Sat 18 Feb 14:30 Connacht v Llanelli Scarlets Sportsground

Sat 18 Feb 15:30 Munster v Glasgow Warriors Thomond Park

Sat 18 Feb 17:30 Dragons v Leinster Rodney Parade

*all times local

loratadine
14-02-06, 11:08 AM
will be interesting to see henson back in action

edinburgh_gunner
15-02-06, 06:50 PM
Must win game for Edinburgh at Murrayfield. We blew our chances in Ireland in September and now it&#39;s vengence time. Ulster are putting out a full team, not resting internationals. I don&#39;t know about Edinburgh but Blackadder may be being told to rest key Scottish players such as Paterson, Hogg, Taylor and Di Rollo (who will probably be rested to save his hamstring no doubt). Still, that would give us Lawson (who I think may also be asking for the Scotland 9 jersey in a few years) and Godman as half backs and our front row would be unchanged.

An Tarbh
15-02-06, 08:21 PM
With EOS not picking that many Leinster players in his starting lineup we&#39;re not as badly hit as previous, should be able to put a decent team out against the Dragons, the likes of Dempsey, Hickie, Kearney, Corrigan, Gleeson, Heaslip all available as well as the legend Conters.

edinburgh_gunner
15-02-06, 08:47 PM
Sadly for us, the bulk of our Scottish players play for Scotland so we&#39;re nackered.

el_tk
15-02-06, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by An Tarbh@Feb 15 2006, 09:21 PM
the likes of Dempsey, Hickie, Kearney, Corrigan, Gleeson, Heaslip all available as well as the legend Conters.
The Irish management have been insisting that kearney has been injured, I think he was on the not considered due to injury list for the 30-man sqaud for the Wales match, slightly bizarre.

An Tarbh
15-02-06, 09:10 PM
well what little chance of him getting into the squad was lost when Hickie was picked ahead of him for the Bath game.

loratadine
16-02-06, 01:47 PM
henson will play at fullback

Ospreys: Gavin Henson; Stefan Terblanche, Andrew Bishop, Sonny Parker, Richard Mustoe; Shaun Connor, Jason Spice; Cai Griffiths, Huw Bennett, Andrew Millward, Andrew Newman, Lyndon Bateman, Jonathan Thomas, Richard Pugh, James Bater (capt).
Replacements: Richard Hibbard, Craig Mitchell, Alun-Wyn Jones, Des Dillon, Richard Rees, Adrian Cashmore, Damian Karauna.

harrison2468
16-02-06, 03:43 PM
Any chance Thomas being moved to centre, with Golden Boy at 15 for the Dublin match?

Also, can anyone inform me why Henson missed Wales training to go on holiday to SA?

loratadine
16-02-06, 04:00 PM
the wru gave hims leave - it was there decision

harrison2468
16-02-06, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Feb 16 2006, 04:00 PM
the wru gave hims leave - it was there decision
I&#39;m not attacking him or anything, but why?

loratadine
16-02-06, 04:15 PM
its the wru - there a law to there own - im not fussed on the wru management

it was interesting to see gareth jenkins today saying that he would find it very hard to manage wales with the current members of staff at the wru

edinburgh_gunner
16-02-06, 05:34 PM
Edinburgh&#39;s squad against Ulster:

15 Francisco Leonelli
14 Simon Webster
13 Phil Godman
12 Matt Dey
11 Michael Pyke
10 Duncan Hodge
9 Rory Lawson * CAPTAIN
1 Allan Jacobsen
2 Andrew Kelly *
3 Alasdair Dickinson *
4 Alasdair Strokosch *
5 Dave Duley
6 Matt Mustchin
8 Dave Callam *
7 Simon Cross

Substitutes
16 Dougie Hall
17 Craig Smith
18 Alan MacDonald *
19 Fergus Pringle
20 Ander Monro
21 Peter Jorgensen
22 Nick De Luca *


Simon Webster, Craig Smith and Dougie Hall were all released for this game. We&#39;re missing Paterson, Southwell, Taylor, Kellock and Hogg due to international comitments and Murray is suspended. De Luca is back from 7s duty in America.

loratadine
17-02-06, 09:01 PM
henson scored 14 pts tonight as the ospreys won 22-18

he did ok - but obivously is extremely rusty.

An Tarbh
17-02-06, 09:31 PM
So he&#39;s probably likely to get a place on the bench then next week?

edinburgh_gunner
17-02-06, 09:59 PM
Edinburgh lost to Ulster tonight. Not a great peformance from either teams tonight, but I can&#39;t complain given that was Ulsters first team and we were missing 7 of our regular starters.

Ulster were hell bent on starting fights tonight though, and their number 6 was a dirty sod. I was hoping an Edinburgh player would kick his head in.

No game till the Ospreys in Aprill, and we have to win that.

loratadine
17-02-06, 10:04 PM
i dont know - its a tough call to drop someone.

An Tarbh
17-02-06, 10:05 PM
I panicked a bit when I heard Trimble was playing thinking he might not get a look in next weekend but it makes sense to give him game time considering the amount of time he actually got in the opening 2 matches. How did he look tonight gunner?

edinburgh_gunner
17-02-06, 10:21 PM
He had a quiet game, though he didn&#39;t find it that tough cause he was up against Godman who&#39;s not a good outside centre.

An Tarbh
17-02-06, 10:32 PM
how come he wasn&#39;t playing 10?

edinburgh_gunner
17-02-06, 10:39 PM
Well there was no Di Rollo and so we needed an outside centre. Hodge played at 10.

An Tarbh
17-02-06, 10:43 PM
ouch. If needs must I suppose

edinburgh_gunner
17-02-06, 10:52 PM
Hodge played well I thought, but Godman isn&#39;t strong enough to be a centre. He&#39;s far better at 10.

el_tk
18-02-06, 03:11 PM
I thought Trimble did well. The Setanta commentators said he was at the centre of everything Ulster did.

It was the first time that Boss has impressed me as a player.

edinburgh_gunner
18-02-06, 06:11 PM
The Ulster number 6 was a right dirty bugger though. ****ehouse didn&#39;t notice though, he seemed to be hell bent on having a scrap with Mutschin.


Glagow did us a HUGE favour today beating them in Ireland, so they loss to Ulster isn&#39;t as bad, and we&#39;re still in with a shout.

I&#39;m annoyed at the SRU for not releasing key players in our squad. We needed Hogg and Taylor and Kellock badly in the scrum and we missed Paterson&#39;s running a bit (though Pyke played well) and his kicking (Hodge can still punt it for miles, but he&#39;s not as accurate). It was a really crucial game, and there&#39;s more chance of the Gunners winning the league than there is of Scotland winning the six nations. Though if Scotland beat England a week today I&#39;ll be singing a different tune probably.

loratadine
18-02-06, 06:34 PM
dragons are doing good

23-11

edinburgh_gunner
18-02-06, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Feb 18 2006, 06:34 PM
dragons are doing good

23-11
Who are they playing Lora?

An Tarbh
18-02-06, 06:44 PM
Leinster, we really shouldn&#39;t be losing to the Dragons with the team we&#39;ve put out tonight, I know we&#39;re missing some players but that team is still strong enough to get a win in Newport.

edinburgh_gunner
18-02-06, 06:44 PM
Just seen it&#39;s Leinster.

I hope they win, that way Edinburgh would be tied on points with Leinster with 14 games played each, only two behind Ulster and 5 behind Munster. I think that that isn&#39;t completley out of the question to catch up.

An Tarbh
18-02-06, 06:49 PM
we&#39;ve got a free weekend coming up however, poxy timing though as we&#39;ll need to find a friendly to get a game with the full team before the Toulouse quarter final.

loratadine
18-02-06, 06:57 PM
dragons just scored again - leinster do not deserve nothing out of the game

An Tarbh
18-02-06, 08:41 PM
Hugely frustrating result especially with the chance to go top as well and we don&#39;t even come away with a losing bonus point.

el_tk
18-02-06, 08:51 PM
I have to say Leinster may have been **** but the ref was simply awful; the players spent most of the match ignoring him unless they were trying to influence him somehow.

An Tarbh
01-03-06, 09:47 AM
Edinburgh have a free weekend so the pressure is on the Irish provinces to pick up a win this weekend, Leinster should win at home to Connacht while Munster will be heavily depleated for their trip to Ravenhill to take on Ulster. Elsewhere Glasgow take on Borders and the Blues host the Ospreys.