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rc_souljah
11-09-05, 11:54 AM
Does anyone actually rate this guy? I think he's waaaaaay overrated. Just like Scotty Ham and caleb

umosay
11-09-05, 12:33 PM
How so?

I think hes an awesome player... can take the line on, got a good (but slightly awkward looking punt) has a mean left foot step. Hes scored some good tries this year too. Also you say that Hamilton and Ralph are overrated, don't you mean over hated? They seem to do their jobs alright and Hamilton can defenitely score a try and hes safe. (3 tries in the s12 semi)

Ralph is the 3rd top try scorer of all time in the S12 so he musn't be totally and utterly useless. Hes a better mdifielder than a winger now though

sambãd5
12-09-05, 12:44 AM
i think hes a excellent player. i still wouldnt have him in all black contention though. 1- carter, 2-mcallister, 3-evans, 4-donald would be my lines of ab 5/8s. hes got a simmilar game style to jackson from what ive seen of him and will be playing for a long time in waikato.


as for hamilton and ralph, hamilton is a good player. ralph is over rated. the reason he scores trys is because of the canturbury system. in the year that shall not me mentioned because a gay team won every match, i can remember watching their trys, and every one of them (well almost) was due to support play. a centre made a beak, and then make a draw and pass to ralph, or another winger, and a easy try was scored. not taking anything away from the teams or players, but when your system works like that - with a draw and pass to the winger, they will always be scoring lots of trys. - i just remember someone posting only a week or so ago "macdonald scored a try, mcallister didnt. fullstop" http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

rc_souljah
12-09-05, 01:20 AM
Donald is not close to All Black caliber. He doesn&#39;t do anything better than any other 1st 5 does.
Ralph and Hamilton are mediocre. Ralph and Hamilton just put the ball over the line and IMO ralph is not better in the midfield. At least on the wing he is away from the action and can&#39;t stuff things up.

sambãd5
12-09-05, 04:10 AM
as a individual, i would agree with you. but as a team member, i would have to dissagree. he controlls the backline excellently, hes a good disrubitor of the ball, and sets up alot of tries.

theres 3 types of 5/8s
1)safety - the mertz, who are good tacklers, pass the ball and can kick the **** out of it
2)runners - mcallisters/carters - break the line often, bombs and grubbers used often, but average disrubitors
3)distrubitors - donald/jackson - not individually great, can punt it good, but main weapon is their ability to set up tries and distrubute the ball quckly.

rc_souljah
12-09-05, 05:12 AM
Are you seriously saying that Carter and McAlister aren&#39;t good distributors of the ball? They&#39;re the two best 1st 5&#39;s in the country and Carters probably the best all-rounder in the world (not necessarily the best).

Hypnotised
12-09-05, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by sambad5@Sep 12 2005, 03:10 PM
theres 3 types of 5/8s
1)safety - the mertz, who are good tacklers, pass the ball and can kick the **** out of it
Mehrtens a good tackler? I rate Mehrtens very highly but his tackling was never something I felt he was particularly good at.

As for Donald, I do feel he is over-rated. To me he is patchy and his passing isn&#39;t as good as people make out. Admittedly he has a good running game, and has great moments every now and then, but isn&#39;t a consistent performer like Dan Carter.

I rate him alongside Gopperth,

1 Carter
2 McCalister
3 Mehrtens still
4 Gopperth/Donlad

sambãd5
12-09-05, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by rc_souljah@Sep 12 2005, 04:12 PM
Are you seriously saying that Carter and McAlister aren&#39;t good distributors of the ball? They&#39;re the two best 1st 5&#39;s in the country and Carters probably the best all-rounder in the world (not necessarily the best).
no, im saying there not specialists. during training, they would be praticing breaking the lines, more than disrubiting. not that they dont though...


as for mertz being a tackler, i dont think he let through that many, but hes no collins

Southern man
12-09-05, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Hypnotised+Sep 12 2005, 06:21 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hypnotised @ Sep 12 2005, 06:21 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-sambad5@Sep 12 2005, 03:10 PM
theres 3 types of 5/8s
1)safety - the mertz, who are good tacklers, pass the ball and can kick the **** out of it
Mehrtens a good tackler? I rate Mehrtens very highly but his tackling was never something I felt he was particularly good at.

As for Donald, I do feel he is over-rated. To me he is patchy and his passing isn&#39;t as good as people make out. Admittedly he has a good running game, and has great moments every now and then, but isn&#39;t a consistent performer like Dan Carter.

I rate him alongside Gopperth,

1 Carter
2 McCalister
3 Mehrtens still
4 Gopperth/Donlad [/b]
You don&#39;t rate Evans at all?

rc_souljah
12-09-05, 11:52 PM
I&#39;d go
1.Carter/Mehrts
2.McAlister
3.Carlos
4.Nick Evans/Gopperth

sambãd5
12-09-05, 11:59 PM
for me:

carter
mcallister
evans
donald
gopperth
young/holwell

Hypnotised
13-09-05, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by Southern man+Sep 13 2005, 09:06 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Southern man @ Sep 13 2005, 09:06 AM)</div>

Originally posted by Hypnotised@Sep 12 2005, 06:21 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-sambad5@Sep 12 2005, 03:10 PM
theres 3 types of 5/8s
1)safety - the mertz, who are good tacklers, pass the ball and can kick the **** out of it
Mehrtens a good tackler? I rate Mehrtens very highly but his tackling was never something I felt he was particularly good at.

As for Donald, I do feel he is over-rated. To me he is patchy and his passing isn&#39;t as good as people make out. Admittedly he has a good running game, and has great moments every now and then, but isn&#39;t a consistent performer like Dan Carter.

I rate him alongside Gopperth,

1 Carter
2 McCalister
3 Mehrtens still
4 Gopperth/Donlad
You don&#39;t rate Evans at all? [/b]
Ah of course, sorry about that, I knew I&#39;d leave someone out. Re-made table:

1. Carter
2. McCalister
3. Mehrtens
4. Evans
5. Gopperth/Donald.

Definately think Evans is a good player.

sambãd5
13-09-05, 04:48 AM
what do we think about him playing fullback? its been forgotten that thats where he debuted. although hes said that he does prefer to play 5/8 (why he went to otago) but still a posibility. i would rate him up there...

rc_souljah
13-09-05, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by sambad5@Sep 13 2005, 10:59 AM
for me:

carter
mcallister
evans
donald
gopperth
young/holwell
Please do not tell me by young you mean Sam Young, please...

umosay
13-09-05, 08:11 AM
Even MakingTyre&#39;s is better than Young

rc_souljah
13-09-05, 09:32 AM
Mate, even Buller&#39;s 1st 5 is better than Sam Young...

sambãd5
13-09-05, 09:47 AM
shh...


na i dont think hes even close to being a quallity player, but i think he uses the tarinaki backs well. but then again, taranaki has only a couple of decent players http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

its just i was watching the game on sunday, and i was like, hmm, not super 12, but hes going to be one of those naki players that is going to be a naki star, but never get anywhere. ala the legend paul tito

tHe_MaC
13-09-05, 09:58 AM
Apanui anyone? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Haha, but seriously, I used to think Donald was way overrated but this NPC he has started to show his potential, and its good.

But for mine,

1. Mehrts (Always)
2. Carter
3. McAllister
4. Donald
5. Evans

rc_souljah
13-09-05, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by sambad5@Sep 13 2005, 08:47 PM
shh...


na i dont think hes even close to being a quallity player, but i think he uses the tarinaki backs well. but then again, taranaki has only a couple of decent players http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

its just i was watching the game on sunday, and i was like, hmm, not super 12, but hes going to be one of those naki players that is going to be a naki star, but never get anywhere. ala the legend paul tito
No way mate I don&#39;t no why he&#39;s starting. He&#39;s lost three games for them this season including the shield match and not to mention probably the most hated man in taranaki lol (got an inside source)

sambãd5
13-09-05, 10:08 AM
ok well see, well see...

if he is their for a while then HA! if he doesnt and fades away, then you wont even remember this thread! so i win either way http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif

Southern man
13-09-05, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by tHe_MaC@Sep 13 2005, 08:58 PM
Apanui anyone? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Haha, but seriously, I used to think Donald was way overrated but this NPC he has started to show his potential, and its good.

But for mine,

1. Mehrts (Always)
2. Carter
3. McAllister
4. Donald
5. Evans
Apanui could be inline for a highlanders contract if we don&#39;t fet Mcintyre back.

Sam Young the great Otaago reject. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
13-09-05, 11:52 PM
donald is the MAN!

i feel sorry for him tho..as luke and carter are taking up the ab spot but he will diffinetly be an allblack oneday

hes got everything to be potentially better then dan and luke..(dont quote on that mutha focker)...but hes been compared too steven larkham and he is very much looking like hes gonna be another larkham

i like gopperth too he is quite outstanding at times