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06-05-09, 05:37 PM
I don't know much about it but it seems a 'British and Irish Cup' will be beginning next year and be held during the International period.

Seems an odd commitment for the Irish Provincial A teams. More game time and expereince for those players at a higher level but these are the players that are usually called upon during the 6 Nations anyway, which might suggest that we'll being get Provincial A A teams (kinda like a B team....except it's an A team with an extra A...perhaps an A- would make more sense).

http://msn.planetrugby.com/Story/0,18259,3...5288678,00.html (http://msn.planetrugby.com/Story/0,18259,3551_5288678,00.html)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunio...-Irish-Cup.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/5284999/Home-unions-devise-British-and-Irish-Cup.html)


What does thw world think? Good development? Bad developmen? A wait and we'll see development?

06-05-09, 06:55 PM
IMO we'll have to wait and see if this is going to be good or bad. It might actually aid the "weaker" clubs, eg. Ulster and Glasgow.

06-05-09, 07:54 PM
Another blow to the AIL, top teams losing their best players to be involved in a meaningless competition which will only be of a slightly better standard and will most likely be a finincal burden on clubs.

06-05-09, 08:28 PM
why didn't they include the AIL in this???

06-05-09, 09:44 PM
I was thinking the same as Noidsay and Canadian Rugger. Considering the type of teams being sent by Wales and Scotland, I don't see why AIL teams couldn't play. Most likely because it wouldn't fit into the timetable I suspect.

06-05-09, 11:22 PM
Yeah, kinda bizarre that it's the semi-pro teams from Scotland and Wales, yet pro (albeit probably academy) ones from Ireland...doesn't make much sense really.

From a Scottish perspective, should be quite good. Premier one and two tend to play some decent rugby to watch, be interesting to see how our lads fare against the boys from Wales and England.

08-05-09, 08:08 AM
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Yeah, kinda bizarre that it&#39;s the semi-pro teams from Scotland and Wales, yet pro (albeit probably academy) ones from Ireland...doesn&#39;t make much sense really.

From a Scottish perspective, should be quite good. Premier one and two tend to play some decent rugby to watch, be interesting to see how our lads fare against the boys from Wales and England.[/b]

That&#39;s the thing. Considering the time of year it&#39;s on, I suspect many of those academy players and back-up players will be in the normal squad seeing as the first-teamers are fairly nackered from internationals.

So I won&#39;t be entirely surprised to see payers being drawn from the club sides like happened in the recent Munster A for Russian Select match.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
08-05-09, 09:52 AM
From an Irish perspective, it&#39;s a step in the right direction. The A teams will still play as many games as last year so cost shouldn&#39;t be any more of an issue than it is now. Formalising some of these games in a competition is more likely to bring in a sponsor (and thus additional revenue) than the present situation. For example, would sponsors be more interested in a friendly between Ulster A and Cornish Pirates or a game between the same teams with a trophy at stake?

There&#39;s the added benefit for players that this competition is a shop window to showcase their talent. Not all players in the Welsh, Scottish and Irish teams are going to make it to Magners League level (and above) so playing against English pro teams in a competitive environment could increase their chances of being picked up by another team.

I&#39;m guessing the RFU are subsidizing the English participants. It&#39;s also worth mentioning that with the new Guinness Championship decreasing in size by 4 teams, that&#39;s 8 less league games which each team will play. The B&I Cup will help make up that shortfall.

Connacht being left out is worrying. They make no money, get no crowds and their results are poor. With the IRFU looking to cut costs and with the Magners League increasing in size by two teams next year, Connacht could easily be deemed expendable. It would be a short term solution to financial woes but would do untold damage to the game in the west.

Perhaps the AIL is being left behind but to be honest, the standard of that competition is falling - Brian Walsh the head coach of Cork Con (who finished top of the table) has said it himself. Next years creation of a Top 8 (by splitting Divison 1 in half) should help boost standards though. Having said that, the lack of any Ulster or Connacht representatives in the top tier doesn&#39;t bode well for either of those provinces. I think we&#39;ll soon see an AIL Top 10 (possibly ringfenced) with 4 Munster, 3 Leinster, 2 Ulster and 1 Connacht based team develop out of the current format.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
19-11-09, 10:55 AM
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The Leinster team to face Plymouth Albion in the opening round of the British & Irish Cup on Saturday in Brickfields Recreation Grounds, Plymouth (KO: 4.30pm) has been named...Paul O&#39;Donohoe captains an exciting looking team for the trip to Plymouth and he partners Ian McKinley in a backline which includes youth - in the shape of David Kearney, Michael Keating Brendan Macken and Niall Morris - and experience in Shaun Berne who starts at inside centre.

John Fogarty starts at hooker in a pack which includes the Ruddock brothers, Ciaran and Rhys, as well as Ireland international Trevor Hogan and Stephen Keogh who starts at number eight.

Richardt Strauss is named amongst a strong looking replacements bench.

Click HERE for an interview with Leinster captain PAUL O&#39;DONOHOE ahead of the trip to the southwest coast of England.


15: Niall Morris
14: Michael Keating
13: Brendan Macken
12: Shaun Berne
11: David Kearney
10: Ian McKinley
9: Paul O&#39;Donohoe CAPTAIN

1: Ronan McCormack
2: John Fogarty
3: Jack McGrath
4: Trevor Hogan
5: Ciaran Ruddock
6: Rhys Ruddock
7: Dominic Ryan
8: Stephen Keogh


16: Richardt Strauss
17: Stewart Maguire
18: Mark Flanagan
19: Paul Ryan
20: Simon Keogh
21: Eoin O&#39;Malley
22: Andrew Conway[/b]
That&#39;s a very exciting team. Th back three is potentially explosive. The centre partnership mixes experience in the shape of Shaun Berne with a ridiculously talented kid in Brendan Macken. Ian McKinley and Paul O&#39;Donohoe have played for the full Leinster team and can hopefully control things at halfback. McCormack, Fogarty, Hogan and Keogh add needed experience to guide McGrath, the Ruddocks and Ryan through the game. Very happy with the side since I expected Berne to start at 10 and Keogh to start on the wing.

21-11-09, 06:07 PM
well seeing Newport beat Exeter yesterday was a bit of a suprise

but are Newport allowed to field Crosskeys players???
considering one of the players who came off the bench is a Crosskeys player and one who was originally going to start is also a Crosskeys player but they both play for Dragons Academy

is that allowed?

snoopy snoopy dog dog
22-11-09, 02:58 PM
A late penalty from Shaun Berne helped Leinster seal a gritty 16-13 victory over Plymouth Albion in the opening round of the British & Irish Cup in Brickfields Recreation Grounds, Plymouth on Saturday evening...

Eleven points from the boot of Shaun Berne, alongside a first half Michael Keating try, helped the province seal a narrow but deserved win against the Championship side in front of a vocal 2,208 crowd.

The visitors began strongly and were awarded a penalty in the first minute when a Plymouth forward was offside at a ruck, though Shaun Berne&#39;s initial effort fell inches wide of the upright he made amends six minutes later to give Leinster a 3-0 lead.

With Niall Morris and Michael Keating threatening at pace from deep at regular intervals, Leinster looked dangerous, but it was Plymouth out-half Alex Davies who had a chance score their first points with a penalty five metres inside the Leinster half, but it fell short of the posts.

Unperturbed, Davies then opted to kick an ambitious penalty from inside Albion&#39;s half in the 13th minute which also lacked distance. It was a case of third time lucky though for Davies when he slotted home a straight forward penalty two minutes later to level the scores, 3-3.

With wintry conditions in the southwest of England making conditions heavy under foot, neither side managed to sustain any real tempo, but a clever kick through from Davies in the 23rd minute almost found the onrushing wing Ben Mercer, but skipper Paul O&#39;Donohoe expertly slid inside the dead ball line to deny the try.

But Albion were not to be denied and a minute later wing Liam Gibson gathered an up-and-under to race in and score, which Davies converted, to give the hosts a 10-3 lead.

Credit to Leinster who responded immediately with some forceful play into the wind from Trevor Hogan and the impressive Jack McGrath and it was a break from the tight-head prop in the 34th minute which led to Leinster being awarded another penalty, which Berne again calmly slotted home, to reduce the deficit to four points.

Dominic Ryan came close to scoring Leinster&#39;s first try of the evening, but his attempt to score was denied by the Albion rearguard. Stephen Keogh then came close as Leinster enjoyed a spell of good pressure, but a strong break from Ronan McCormack led to a move which Paul O&#39;Donohoe started and he found Berne who skipped an accurate pass to the rushing Keating who raced into the corner on the stroke of half-time.

Berne kicked the difficult conversion to give Leinster a deserved 13-10 interval lead.

John Fogarty was replaced by debutant Richardt Strauss in the 44th minute and the former Cheetahs hooker made an early impression, continuing the good work of the pack. However Davies kicked a 48th minute penalty to level the scores once more.

Albion, who featured former Old Belvedere and Leinster &#39;A&#39; scrum-half Ruairi Cushion in their ranks, couldn&#39;t convert their territorial advantage into points and Ian McKinley and Berne eased the pressure with some effective long range kicks.

Leinster upped the ante with a string of forceful breaks instigated by replacement scrum-half Simon Keogh, out-half Ian McKinley as well as the impressive Berne.

A cynical body check on Berne by Tonga centre Sione Tuipulotu in the 75th minute led to the match winning penalty which the former Australia &#39;A&#39; man slotted home to seal the win for the visitors.

*Leinster face the Cornish Pirates next Friday, November 27th in Donnybrook (KO: 4pm) in the second pool game of the British & Irish Cup.

PLYMOUTH SCORERS: L. Gibson (1 try), A. Davies (2 penalties, 1 conversion)

LEINSTER SCORERS: M. Keating (1 try), S. Berne (3 penalties, 1 conversion)

PLYMOUTH ALBION: Mark Lee(Gary Kingdom, 78), Ben Mercer, Keni Fisilau, Sione Tu&#39;ipulotu, Liam Gibson, Alex Davies, Ruairi Cushion; Martin Rice, Joe Clark (Graham Dawe, 80), Ryan Hopkins (George Porter, 80), James Waterhouse (Mike Lewis, 75), Tom Skelding, Wayne Sprangle, Rory Watts-Jones, Kyle Marriott CAPTAIN

REPLACEMENTS NOT USED: Keiran Hallett, Matthew Hopper, Darren Clayton

LEINSTER: Niall Morris, Michael Keating, Brendan Macken (Eoin O&#39;Malley, 71), Shaun Berne, David Kearney (Andrew Conway, 75), Ian McKinley, Paul O&#39;Donohoe CAPTAIN (Simon Keogh, 62); Ronan McCormack, John Fogarty (Richardt Strauss, 44), Jack McGrath (Stewart Maguire, 80), Trevor Hogan, Ciaran Ruddock, Rhys Ruddock (Paul Ryan, 62), Dominic Ryan, Stephen Keogh


REFEREE: A. McMenemy (SRU)

snoopy snoopy dog dog
26-11-09, 12:30 PM
Squad to face the Pirates:

LEINSTER: 15: Girvan Dempsey, 14: Michael Keating, 13: Brendan Macken, 12: Shaun Berne, 11: David Kearney, 10: Ian McKinley, 9: Paul O&#39;Donohoe CAPTAIN; 1: Ronan McCormack, 2: Richardt Strauss, 3: Jack McGrath, 4: Trevor Hogan, 5: Devin Toner, 6: Kevin McLaughlin, 7: Paul Ryan, 8: Stephen Keogh

REPLACEMENTS: 16: Jason Harris-Wright, 17: Stewart Maguire, 18: Mark Flanagan, 19: Dominic Ryan, 20: Simon Keogh, 21: Eoin O&#39;Malley, 22: Niall Morris

It&#39;s a much stronger lineup than last week. Dempsey, McLaughlin and Toner are most likely selected with the return to Magners League action next week in mind. Strauss gets his first start. I&#39;m guessing Dominic Ryan is replaced by Paul Ryan because he&#39;s played a lot of rugby recently and is being rested ahead of a debut ML outing next week. For that game I think Heaslip, O&#39;Driscoll and Kearney will be given the week off after three internationals back to back.

27-11-09, 08:25 PM
Munster A Vs Bristol Rugby

Bristol head to Ireland tomorrow for their second fixture of the new British & Irish Cup. The West Country side won their first match of the competition against Neath last Friday, with a young side outscoring the Welsh outfit two tries to one.

In the backs, Lee Robinson makes his return from injury for Bristol after suffering a broken nose in a training session back in October. Try scorer Sam Alford starts at scrum-half while Jack Tovey, Luke Eves, George Watkins and Chris Ashwin remain unchanged from last week.

Sam Giddens and Ben Glynn make their first starts for Bristol Rugby, with Nathan Budgett set to captain the side.

Munster A Vs Bristol Rugby, Friday 27th November, KO 19:30

Bristol XV

Jack Tovey; Lee Robinson, Luke Eves, Sam Giddens, George Watkins, Chris Ashwin, Sam Alford; Mark Irish, Ross Johnston, Mako Vunipola, Ben Glynn, Josh Brown, Nathan Budgett , James Merriman, Darren Barry

16. Ollie Hayes, 17. Wayne Thompson 18. Marko Mama 19. Adam Bellamy 20. Robbie Shaw, 21. Mark Davies, 22. Jack Gadd

Good side that is, Tovey had a good game last week against Neath as did Jack Gadd, who is from my old rugby club Weston Hornets RFC. Vunipola is England youth international and is tipped to be part of the Bristol set-up for a long time.

27-11-09, 08:42 PM
Munster A v Bristol A match tracker - http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/forum_pos...22680&TPN=1 (http://www.munsterfans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22680&TPN=1)

Munster were up 8-3 at half time thanks to a try from prop Dave Kilcoyne, with Danny Barnes adding another after the break to make it 13-3.

27-11-09, 08:45 PM
Cheers mate. Not looking great for the Bris at the moment.

Funny post "Sounds like a good score against a team that was in the GP last season" he obviously didn&#39;t see up in the GP last year :lol:

27-11-09, 08:48 PM
Obviously not, although you looked OK the few times I watched ye, those Arscott twins looked decent players, not playing tonight though.

27-11-09, 09:10 PM
Munster A win 18-6

Oh phooey.