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stranger
24-10-05, 04:54 AM
It's unbelievable to leave this guy out. Then henry has the audacity to say that masoe is an experiment and if it doesnt work out, ah well we've always got holah to fall back on.
If I was Holah I'd say EFF-U and put on a beret, south of france here i come.

..::ERIC::..
24-10-05, 05:24 AM
To be fair, Holah missing out wasn't out of the blue. They used So'oialo as a back up 7 during the Lions / 3N as Holah wasn't in the squad, and when he went on tour last year the only game he played was against the Baa Baas. They have been pretty consistent about not picking him.

Hypnotised
24-10-05, 06:08 AM
They have been consistent in not picking him, and I feel, consistently wrong. He is the only backup to the McCaw style of flanker that we have. Masoe is a better back-up for Collins, perhaps even Number 8. He is a power player, and won't win the same amount of ball that McCaw or Holah can.

kaftka
24-10-05, 06:15 AM
I really feel sorry for Holah. Almost any other country in the world, he would start in the no. 7 jersey in most games. It really must suck to not get picked at all. Worse than the Marshall/Kelleher thing.

stranger
24-10-05, 08:42 AM
kaftka, that pic of gregan in your sig is killing me, hahahahaha

back to holah, this AB team may pay for mis-treating their ONLY world-class number 7 besides McCAW. mccaw is injured often, this decision may come back to bite Henry in the ass.

kaftka
24-10-05, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by stranger@Oct 24 2005, 07:42 PM
kaftka, that pic of gregan in your sig is killing me, hahahahaha
I prefer the Larkham one....He didn't need editing.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
24-10-05, 10:00 AM
neither did the flatley one....

yeh its stupid really...what happened to earning your jersey..its getten cheapened by the year
i thought thats why we have super12s and npcs to develop these players into top class football players....

esoj
24-10-05, 11:46 PM
yes chrio but how do you know if they are good enough at international level unless you pick them on tours. there are no mid week games anymore for when the abs tour or when teams come to nz. there is only one way to find out if player is good enough at international level and that is to pick them on the end of year tour or in the easy tests before the tri nations. holah is very unlucky and would start for most other teams.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
25-10-05, 12:10 AM
well u look at the young guns who have proven there worth ill give a list of those who are considered to be an allblack

nick williams,josh blackie,craig newby,anthony tuitevake,brent ward

when u pick a guy like toeava and say.."well he has potential..and we THINK he will be around that world cup time and he can do this and that.."

what does that say to these players ive mentioned...they dont have potential...and there unlucky?..no such thing as luck

when u pick on form you will build the confidence of those players who have been performing..but they are just throwing yung bucks out there who they THINK can perform when they have sat there all season and watched and KNOW the guys who CAN perform...

im happy with the squad and im happy that they have intrusted in majority of guys who beat the lions..its great they have settled on a team instead of mix matching week in week out...

heres a form team and the squad from lions tourof 35
somerville,haymen,tamoepeau,afoa,woodcock
oliver.mealamu,hore
donelly,williams,jack,ryan
lauaki,mccaw,holah,kaino,masoe,collins,blackie
kelleher,weepu,cowen
mccalister,carter
nonu,mauger,umaga,smith,tuitevake
rokocoko,howlett,sivivatu,gear
ward,mcdonald,muliaina

stranger
25-10-05, 12:23 AM
sup with changing the thread title, nazis http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

..::ERIC::..
25-10-05, 03:24 AM
Its a wrong title, Holah wasn&#39;t dropped as he wasn&#39;t in the previous squads anyway.

umosay
25-10-05, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by stranger@Oct 25 2005, 12:23 PM
sup with changing the thread title, nazis http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif
Nazi? Are all moderators Nazi&#39;s for doing their job?

I didn&#39;t change it, but he wasn&#39;t dropped and he wasn&#39;t raped so what was he?

Excluded i suppose.

stranger
25-10-05, 09:38 AM
um, obviously he wasn&#39;t literally raped http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif sheez, you guys

umosay
25-10-05, 10:13 AM
So he was figuretively raped then?

Ok back on topic...

Holah was alright in the NPC but unless Richie gets injured no one else will get a chance...

stranger
25-10-05, 07:59 PM
yea and richie is frequently injured. it&#39;s a mistake to dump holah. it&#39;s like dumping waugh because smith is going alright. sooner or later you&#39;re gonna need both of them.

Gay-Guy
25-10-05, 10:21 PM
The day my opinion of Holah changed was the game he played against the P.Is last year. I think the selectors noticed that game as well. Hence why they are looking elsewhere.

No7&#39;s are crucial to any teams success.............Waikato and the Cheifs haven&#39;t won anything for ages. The selectors if they choose an older experienced No7 won&#39;t choose someone that is unlike McCaw (titles), Smith (titles), Waugh (Finalist). MacDonald and Collins are title winners (though I don&#39;t like them) and still fairly young. Masoe stood out in an average team. Holah was just his usual self...............didn&#39;t shake up the field at all.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
25-10-05, 11:14 PM
masoe carved up in the wellington super12 team...all his undercover work wasnt seeen becoz jerry collins and rodneys running aroun opening up gaps on the fringes and making bighits..whre masoe was supplying them with the opportunity to do so...

with the naki he has been able to express himself fully and he ran amuck on the lions...and got the approval of lord clive woodward

this year he stepped it up and terrorised EVERYTEAM HE PLAYED AGAINST...he played no.8 and basically covered 6 and 7 while doin so...

one thing he did alot of in da past was infringe to the point of a whistle blowing ref..and he has worked on his stealing technique and hasnt been pinged alot as he use to..im happy hes there in tha abz

..however him goin to wellingtons npc team(well if he ain considered for the trinations next season) is only gonna dent his international career coz he will be with collins and rodney again

..::ERIC::..
26-10-05, 12:12 AM
So&#39;oialo would be the back up 7. Against the Lions when he played there we went from getting 56% of possesion in the 2nd game to 44% in the 3rd game without McCaw.

If there is any serious injury to McCaw that means he will miss a crucial game Holah will get called up, we saw this when he was under an injury cloud in the 3N.

McCaw never gets subbed, there is more logic of having a bruiser on the bench such as Masoe or Lauaki (should be Kaino) on the bench to make an impact at 8 or 6 later in the match.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
30-10-05, 02:02 AM
Holah out in the cold

30.10.05
By Gregor Paul


Betrayed would probably come closest to describing how Marty Holah is feeling right now.

The Waikato flanker has gone to ground at his house in Mount Maunganui to reflect on how it was the New Zealand Rugby Union put an astonishing offer in front of him a few weeks ago, only for the All Black selectors to once again tell him he was no longer wanted.

It&#39;s easy to see why Holah is feeling the way he is. He was off contract at the end of the year and had attracted the attention of a number of European clubs.

According to friends, the 29-year-old knew his opportunities at test level would be limited as long as the imperious Richie McCaw continued to draw breath.

Given his age, Holah also knew that it was now or never in terms of going overseas. European clubs would pay top dollar for a 29-year-old current All Black. The price would drop significantly if they were buying a 31-year-old former All Black.

But Holah didn&#39;t want to fully explore his options elsewhere until he had tried to nut out a deal with the NZRU.

His agent made contact and said Holah was keen to stay, would the NZRU like to tender an offer?

The reply was an emphatic "yes" and a generous contract was put in front of Holah. He had no hesitation signing, believing he was still very much in the test frame.

He knew there was no guarantee he&#39;d be taken away to the UK. But he&#39;d been recalled to the squad before the end of the Lions series and was retained for the Tri Nations.

The experiment of using Rodney So&#39;oialo as a back-up openside had been shelved. It seemed the selectors had concluded that specialist cover was in fact necessary after all.

That change of heart and a few positive noises were enough to persuade Holah he was doing the right thing putting pen to paper.

And then last week his phone rang. It was the same dreaded "Look Marty, we&#39;ve got some bad news," call he had received before the squad for the Lions series was announced.

It had been a tight call but Chris Masoe, not Holah, would be going to the UK. If it had been a straightforward case of hearing how Masoe was the number two openside behind McCaw, it would have made life easier for Holah. He could swallow that, live with the fact his income would be reduced by a third as a consequence, and move on. That wasn&#39;t the message, though. There was no suggestion he was doing anything wrong and no directive to improve specific aspects of his game.

They just wanted to try something else and had Holah&#39;s number in case they changed their minds.

Holah is now sensing that he is a rainy day All Black - a reliable and trusted performer who can be called in at short notice if the preferred alternatives somehow fall down.

It&#39;s maybe taking him for granted. The thinking seems to be that because Holah has committed to New Zealand for another two years and wants to honour that contract, if a few more test caps come his way, he&#39;ll take them for sure.

But the question is - and it is a question Holah didn&#39;t want to answer this week - how long before he tires of a yo-yo All Black existence and starts thinking a move overseas wouldn&#39;t be so bad after all?

Maybe that day will never come. Maybe it will come after the Super 14 next season or the NPC. One thing is for sure, though - if Holah does seek an early release, it won&#39;t be to a chorus of dismay.

- HERALD ON SUNDAY

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poor dude

kaftka
30-10-05, 02:29 AM
Yeah, you can&#39;t help but feel sorry for the bloke.

stranger
30-10-05, 02:34 AM
holah is a mug if he stays, tell henry to get fkd and go to europe, make some cash playing for a team that actually wants you there while you&#39;re still young, son.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
30-10-05, 02:40 AM
he DESERVES to be in this team...i hate how the test waters these wayz nowadayz

when michael jones was playing..josh kronfield WAS ALWAYS THERE and it kept mike on his toes!!!

this sucks..poor holah henry or the nzrfu need to apologise to him..

stranger
30-10-05, 03:53 AM
nah, just vote with ya feet holah... he ain&#39;t the first AB to be fkd over (ask Cribb) and he wont be the last

BigTen
31-10-05, 03:12 AM
Aw come on - as good as Marty Holah is the simple truth is that there is at least one flanker better than him in NZ. And that means that he will always play second fiddle. Maybe he would have been better suited to develope himself as a number eight.

I have always thought that you can&#39;t blame the selectors if there was someone better and they didn&#39;t pick you.

And as for Holah going overseas - that is fine if he wants to leave NZ rugby to play somewhere else where he will get more money then that is his decision and only he can make it. He should, however remember that it was NZ rugby that gave him all of his opportunity and at the end of the day has been pretty good to him. Is he really struggling to put food on his table for his family? I&#39;d doubt it. Is he getting other opportunities commercially or after-rugby? I would imagine that that would be up to him and if he wanted them he would be able to get it.

Surely money isn&#39;t that much of a concern.

I think that he should stay and fight for that black jersey.