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Wally
28-11-05, 08:40 AM
Now the tour is over we can all look forward to the start of the Super 14.

In all serious I think the Tahs will win it. While the Crusaders and Blues will both have great sides, so will the boys down south. I think it would be great not only for the game here but also for the Super 14 if the grand final were to be played infront of 80, 000 people in Sydney. I'm sure everyone is sick of it being played in crappy bogan stadiums across the ditch.

I know everyone down plays the Reds. Hell, even Wally was starting to give up hope on them of having a good season next year but I've recently had a think about it and I think it is possible for them to do okay. They've got a new establishment with experienced high performance advisers and all the rest. We've also got one of the world's premiere scrum doctors in Alec Evans on board.

Take a look at the Queensland Reds of 2006...

1. Greg Holmes
2. Stephen Moore
3. Rodney Blake

Australia's best young front row with plenty of potential. Alec Evans' magic will be put to good use here.

4. Hugh McMeninman
5. Mark Connors

A present Wallaby and Australia's best up and coming lock. Mark Connors is a former established Wallaby over flowing with experience now that he's back from the northern hemisphere.

6. Tom McVerry / James Sua
7. David Croft
8. John Roe

A solid backrow without being outstanding. Croft is Australia's best ball pincher after Smith and Waugh. Sua is a faster version of Jerry Collins who can score tries from anywhere.

9. Sam Cordingley
10. Elton Flatley

Australia's most experienced halves combo after Gregan and Larkham whom will make sure this young Reds team doesn't crumble under the pressure they will receive next season both on and off the field. They're both former Wallabies and Cordingley was Gregan's under study before Whittaker.

11. Ben Tune
12. Berrick Barnes
13. Lloyd Johansson
14. Drew Mitchell
15. Chris Latham

That's a great backline whichever way you look at it. No Sailor this year but hopefully a fit Ben Tune will fill his shoes and more. We all know what Mitchell, Johansson and Latham can do. For those of you who don't know, Barnes was a fringe player with the Brisbane Broncos this year (he'll be 20 or 21 next year).

There is hope yet for us Queenslanders. As long as we beat New South Wales in the first round and Sailor gets embarrassed all will be sweet. **** that game will be massive! Now I want bacon. Bye.

The TRUTH
28-11-05, 10:18 AM
If that backline stays fit(which is very unlikely with guys like Tune and Flatley in it) they should suprise alot of ppl

dont know about this barnes guy maybe there better off with huxley in the starting team.

umosay
28-11-05, 11:15 AM
Well i'm expecting a good season from the chiefs this year, a few nice recruits. Although i'm not expecting them to deliver.

Preferred option first:

1. Davison/Toleafoa
2. Lutui/Willis
3. Castle/Manu

Not the best front row in the world, but good none the less.

4. Gibbes/Upton
5. Honneck

Not bad options here, but not world class

6. Lauaki/Messam
7. Holah/Latu
8. Bates

Now thats a pretty good loose trio - Damaging runners + Marty in their to poach

9. Kelleher/Nutbrown
10. Donald

Solid, Doland has to produce though

11. Sivivatu/Tahana
12. Tuitupou/Hill
13. Ta'auso/Ranby
14. Anesi/Masaga
15. Mils/Chichton

Thats a hell of a backline if i may say so... If on form we will be a top runner for sure. So much potentiol and more AB's will be real good for the team.

Wally
28-11-05, 11:59 AM
The Chiefs backrow should be awesome and their backline will have a lot of fire power. Why did Mils leave Auckland?

umosay
28-11-05, 12:11 PM
Something to do with his girlfriend and Auckland management

BigTen
28-11-05, 12:36 PM
Hi Wally,

But what happens when some of your first XV players get injured? Who do you have to cover for them when they get injured? Anyone? Someone? No-one?

No depth.

samb√£d5
28-11-05, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by umosay@Nov 29 2005, 01:15 AM
Not bad options here, but not world class
heh, that sums up waikato pritty well http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

blues:
1) woodcock
2) mealamu
3) mr T / afoa

very very good frount row.

4) rawlenson/flavel/haui/macdonald
5) a williams

lots of quallity depth in the locking depo.

6) kaino/flavel
7) flavel/braid
8) n williams/kaino/macdonald

also alot of up and comming talent here - along with some experiance with flavel and braid.

9) devine/moa/that harbor one which i cant recall

not so good in scrum half, not bad either

10) lavea/mcallister
12) mcallister/tupoki
13) tupoki © / tuitavaki

good inside backs - all linebreakers, with mcallister playing outside of lavea, this will mean that lavea wont have to kick, so hopefully he can improve even further on the 2nd half of his npc, which i thought wasnt half bad.

11) rokococo
14) howlett
15) ward

and then on the bench you have all the players who have been /&#39;ed and also collins and toeava

its just the captancy that will change my team around. i think that tupoki did a awesome job captaining harbor, and i dont really rate colins that highly. it all depends on what they do with lavea. mcallister should be at 2nd 5/8, but for the best lineup, he needs to be at 1st. ideally it should be 10) mcallister 12) tupoki and 13) tuitavaki - but for some reason, auckland tries to stick with lavea


oh and blues to be in the top 2. along with canturbury, brumbies and tahs. 1) blues 2) canturbury 3) tahs 4) brumbies, and then a blues tahs final.

Wally
28-11-05, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by BigTen@Nov 29 2005, 01:36 AM
Hi Wally,

But what happens when some of your first XV players get injured?* Who do you have to cover for them when they get injured?* Anyone?* Someone?* No-one?

No depth.
We&#39;d be f@#ked if there were injuries in key positions - except for maybe halfback, flyhalf, centre or wing. Valentine, Huxley, Kefu and Hynes / Veratau would all do a solid job. We basically have no depth in the forwards though, they&#39;re all young blokes.

..::ERIC::..
28-11-05, 10:20 PM
Toleafoa isn&#39;t in the Chiefs is he Umo?

umosay
29-11-05, 12:00 AM
Woops, just assumed he was.

Also Moa isn&#39;t in the Blues sambad, its Gibson. Must admit that blues team will be bloody hard to stop.

sambad, may i remind you about the last 2 chiefs blues encounters? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Ripper
29-11-05, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by umosay@Nov 29 2005, 02:00 PM
Woops, just assumed he was.

Also Moa isn&#39;t in the Blues sambad, its Gibson. Must admit that blues team will be bloody hard to stop.

sambad, may i remind you about the last 2 chiefs blues encounters? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
no you may not.

Mr. Laxative
29-11-05, 05:39 AM
1. Bill Young
2. Jeremy Paul
3. Nic Henderson

This is a strong front row with enough experience. I doubt we&#39;ll have much trouble against others in this area.

4. Al Campbell
5. Mark Chisholm

Both have played for wallabies and are good with ball in hand. Should give other teams problems in the lineout as well.

6. Dan Heenan
7. George Smith
8. Jone Tawake

Smithy can do all sorts of things and will again be dangerous, Heenan&#39;s another lineout option and Jone Tawake is big and robust but can also handle the ball briliantly.

9. Luke Burgess
10. Stephen Larkham

I think it is time we give Geogre a break and bring in a talented young gun - Burgess has a similar style of play to Hennners which should be effective in this new comp, while Larkham can direct the backs expertly if at full strength. Should Bernie get injured we only have a few options though.

12. Matt Giteau
13. Stirling Mortlock ©

Arguably one of the greatest centre pairings in the S14 - it is a pity they couldn&#39;t play together on tour. Giteau will excel, while Mortlock will continually find opportunities to impress and he is definately a shot at Wallabies captaincy next year.

11. Mark Gerrard
14. Clyde Rathbone
15. Adam Ashley-Cooper

This is a great back three. Both fast and strong and they come with some kicking talent as well. Should blow a lot of teams away.

Sheperdson
Palavi
Wallace-Harrison
Samo
Gregan
Owens
Gene Fairbanks

Some young players and some with experience. Most will make an impact and I expect Peter Owens to become the next Mitch Hardy - A great Wallaby super-sub.

A team that can achieve next year, but will certainly have to improve dramatically on last season to stick it with the great kiwi teams again.

I feel another title coming on.

..::ERIC::..
29-11-05, 05:58 AM
1. McDonell
2. Hore
3. Tialata
All three have test experience. Tialata showed great scrumaging skill vs Wales.

4. Tito / Andrews / Kennedy
5. Eaton
Eaton is fantastic, other locks are a bit poor but good enough to secure us ball.

6. Collins
7. Masoe
8. So&#39;oialo
The AB trio used vs England. Best trio in the S14 by a mile

9. Weepu
10. Gopperth
Weepu is coming along great, Gopperth has all the skills to guide us and handle pressure

12. Umaga
13. Smith
Proven centre combination

11. Nonu
14. Fa&#39;atau
15. Toeava
Internationals, all class. Toeava not so good but should be ok. Paku to replace him if he can&#39;t hack it.

esoj
29-11-05, 07:57 PM
and sambad kaino is gone from the super 14 hes out injured with a shoulder injury. also moa didn&#39;t make the blues gibson did. I think the blues should go well especially with mcAlister likely to be the 12.

samb√£d5
29-11-05, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by umosay@Nov 29 2005, 02:00 PM
Woops, just assumed he was.

Also Moa isn&#39;t in the Blues sambad, its Gibson. Must admit that blues team will be bloody hard to stop.

sambad, may i remind you about the last 2 chiefs blues encounters? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
only if you tell me who has won it more times, who does better almost every year, and has the most all blacks in it.


aah why did gibson get in and moa not? moa had awesome season.

and kaino - i guess he isnt that much of a loss in the scheme of the season. we still have about 8 other quallity loosies

Wally
29-11-05, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by Jacko@Nov 29 2005, 06:39 PM
4. Al Campbell
5. Mark Chisholm.
Surely Radike Samo will be back next year. He&#39;s too good to not play Super 14.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
12. Matt Giteau
13. Stirling Mortlock ©

Arguably one of the greatest centre pairings in the S14 - it is a pity they couldn&#39;t play together on tour. Giteau will excel, while Mortlock will continually find opportunities to impress and he is definately a shot at Wallabies captaincy next year.[/b]
In order to gain captaincy I thought you actually had to be in the team. Old Morty won&#39;t maked it passed the squad next year I&#39;m afraid - why would he when we have young guns like Rathbone and Tuqiri.

Wally
29-11-05, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by sambad5@Nov 30 2005, 10:01 AM
we still have about 8 other quallity loosies
Bull****.

samb√£d5
29-11-05, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Wally+Nov 30 2005, 11:35 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Nov 30 2005, 11:35 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-sambad5@Nov 30 2005, 10:01 AM
we still have about 8 other quallity loosies
Bull****. [/b]
lol i didnt actually mean we had eight other good as loosies, but weve got alot.

williams, braid, macdonald, flavel, collins

umosay
29-11-05, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by ..::ERIC::..@Nov 29 2005, 07:58 PM
11. Nonu
14. Fa&#39;atau
15. Toeava
Internationals, all class. Toeava not so good but should be ok. Paku to replace him if he can&#39;t hack it.
I really think your being tough on Toeava after his 1 AB game. He wasn&#39;t under 19 player of the year for nothing - this guy will be a star, also his favoured position is 12.

He put in some nice touches in the weekend but S14 will be his game.

samb√£d5
29-11-05, 11:30 PM
one person who i do want to keep a eye on though is Isa Nacewa. hes not eligable for the all blacks, but hes fijis answer to toeava. he can play everywhere in the backline, 10-15. when lavea got injured in the final was it? - he filled in at five eight, and didnt play too badly at all.

kaftka
30-11-05, 12:10 AM
Plus, he looks like Doug Howlett. Which aint a bad thing.

Right girls? Riiight? C&#39;mon, you lot like the **** don&#39;t ya?



...Sorry.

esoj
30-11-05, 12:43 AM
look like you&#39;re on your own their kafta. the blues have amazing depth at loosie and most positions. boric is another that can be aded to the list. naceaw did play at first five in the npc final and did a reasonable job. he is a good player he can cover any position like toeave can. blues should go well top 4 at least.

Mr. Laxative
01-12-05, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by Wally@Nov 30 2005, 10:32 AM
Surely Radike Samo will be back next year. He&#39;s too good to not play Super 14.
I&#39;ve got him on the bench, so he can play back row or second row if needed.


And in light of a drastic situation... wing.

Wally
01-12-05, 04:20 AM
Hopefully big Dike gets a starting position at either lock or blindside flanker. Don&#39;t worry about Daniel &#39;The Hitman&#39; Heenan, he&#39;ll be injured before the season even starts.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
01-12-05, 06:35 AM
AUCKLAND!!!

1.woodcock > best loosehead prop in the world
2.mealamu > best hooker in the world ©
3.afoa > allblack

and mr tamoepeau on the as impact

well ya cant go wrong with that front row and graham henry has done auckland a very big favour hahaha...

i have a feelin that flavell will be playing lock

4.ali williams
5.flavell

rawlinson,haui and the 6 who got picked from nth harbour stands an impressive 6&#39;7

ahhhhhh the loosies

6.mcdonald
7.braid
8.nick williams <> awesome year next year,he is a monster with ball in hand...when he runs he turns into a 1 man maul

theres a reason why lauaki and tuialii left auckland..it was nick williams..make way for the future!!!

9.devine (vc)

oh and gibson,moa

10.lavea
12.mccalister
13.tipoki

as much as i dispise lavea..he has had a great season and deserves his chance at the blues...

if however i come across him and accidently hit him with my hammer than iyou would see that midfield combo like this

mccalister
tipoki
tuitevake

back 3....

11.rokocoko >best winger in the world
14.howlett > former ^
15.ward...<>ok dude i suppose

we got a little rupeni on the bench calld waqueseduadua...exciting talent

GO AUCKLAND...
we have an awesome forward to build from,and the talent in the midfield are all line breakers and the outside are the best finishers in the world barring ward

just the management to get them to stick together and to have a good gameplan,and the support from the fans...we should be set for a very promising run for the championship

Ripper
01-12-05, 07:13 AM
Why the f*** would you make Mealamu captain you stupid stoner, Tipoki is the Maori captain isnt he? I know he&#39;s the Harbour captain so why not use him nutsack?

kaftka
01-12-05, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@Dec 1 2005, 08:13 PM
Why the f*** would you make Mealamu captain you stupid stoner, Tipoki is the Maori captain isnt he? I know he&#39;s the Harbour captain so why not use him nutsack?
I thought it was obvious. According to chiro, he&#39;s the best hooker in the world. Now that&#39;s saying something, he&#39;s squandered a helluva lot of money on them in his time.

...And I should know.

umosay
01-12-05, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Dec 1 2005, 08:35 PM
AUCKLAND!!!

1.woodcock > best loosehead prop in the world
2.mealamu > best hooker in the world ©
3.afoa > allblack

and mr tamoepeau on the as impact

well ya cant go wrong with that front row and graham henry has done auckland a very big favour hahaha...

i have a feelin that flavell will be playing lock

4.ali williams
5.flavell

rawlinson,haui and the 6 who got picked from nth harbour stands an impressive 6&#39;7

ahhhhhh the loosies

6.mcdonald
7.braid
8.nick williams <> awesome year next year,he is a monster with ball in hand...when he runs he turns into a 1 man maul

theres a reason why lauaki and tuialii left auckland..it was nick williams..make way for the future!!!

9.devine (vc)

oh and gibson,moa

10.lavea
12.mccalister
13.tipoki

as much as i dispise lavea..he has had a great season and deserves his chance at the blues...

if however i come across him and accidently hit him with my hammer than iyou would see that midfield combo like this

mccalister
tipoki
tuitevake

back 3....

11.rokocoko >best winger in the world
14.howlett > former ^
15.ward...<>ok dude i suppose

we got a little rupeni on the bench calld waqueseduadua...exciting talent

GO AUCKLAND...
we have an awesome forward to build from,and the talent in the midfield are all line breakers and the outside are the best finishers in the world barring ward

just the management to get them to stick together and to have a good gameplan,and the support from the fans...we should be set for a very promising run for the championship
Too many riches, not enough rags. Some of those players should have headed elsewhere so they could start. Last 2 years they&#39;ve been pretty cack.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
01-12-05, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@Dec 1 2005, 08:13 PM
Why the f*** would you make Mealamu captain you stupid stoner, Tipoki is the Maori captain isnt he? I know he&#39;s the Harbour captain so why not use him nutsack?
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

use him nut sack..is this ya moronic half ass bay slang

why do u even care?....ur not from auckland


there have been suggestions in the papers a while back since the teams were merged that nucifora was lookin for a captain who leads by example..and not entirely with his mouth


mealamu has been one the most consistant new zealand rugby players interms of his inspiration play and hes good form in the past 2-3 years

whats tipoki done? other than being banned from playing rugby twice for very long side line stints for fights and ill discipline...how much of a inspiration is he?...
tipoki is an awesome player..he is leader by not a captain in todays standard

and look at north harbour..he is proberly the oldest there when the majority are 25yrs younger and thats why he was captain...coz of his experience

mealamu is also very experienced

mealamu has been the saviour to the allblacks on more then one occasion...scoring tries,try saving tackles,line breaking....he rarely speaks he knows his position...and he does his job..give him captaincy and he will do that job too

westauckland > half ass bay

Ripper
01-12-05, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Wally@Nov 29 2005, 01:59 AM
The Chiefs backrow should be awesome and their backline will have a lot of fire power. Why did Mils leave Auckland?
His bitch was caught commiting fraud against the ARU, but the ARU didnt take it to the police, being nice people and all... so Mils go signs with Waikato. IMO we should listien to Apu and "Put that bitch on ice."

NZL Fan
01-12-05, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101+Dec 2 2005, 12:24 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE CHIROPRACTOR101 @ Dec 2 2005, 12:24 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Dec 1 2005, 08:13 PM
Why the f*** would you make Mealamu captain you stupid stoner, Tipoki is the Maori captain isnt he? I know he&#39;s the Harbour captain so why not use him nutsack?
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

use him nut sack..is this ya moronic half ass bay slang

why do u even care?....ur not from auckland


there have been suggestions in the papers a while back since the teams were merged that nucifora was lookin for a captain who leads by example..and not entirely with his mouth


mealamu has been one the most consistant new zealand rugby players interms of his inspiration play and hes good form in the past 2-3 years

whats tipoki done? other than being banned from playing rugby twice for very long side line stints for fights and ill discipline...how much of a inspiration is he?...
tipoki is an awesome player..he is leader by not a captain in todays standard

and look at north harbour..he is proberly the oldest there when the majority are 25yrs younger and thats why he was captain...coz of his experience

mealamu is also very experienced

mealamu has been the saviour to the allblacks on more then one occasion...scoring tries,try saving tackles,line breaking....he rarely speaks he knows his position...and he does his job..give him captaincy and he will do that job too

westauckland > half ass bay [/b]
Tipoki wasn&#39;t even wanted by the Blues (they were practically TOLD to pick him as one of their protected players) - so unlikely for him to be captain (he&#39;d be lucky to make the starting lineup).

Captain is a real problem for the Blues - the only one for me that stands out as a possibility is Angus McDonald.

Ripper
01-12-05, 09:10 PM
Angus MacDonald could probably fill the role, he might be able to start at 6, but will have to fight off Troy Flavell (A. Williams and Rawlison probably have the locking roles shored up, and Kaino being injured probably helps his cause). As long as it&#39;s not Justin Collins ill be happy.

I still reckon Tipoki should be it, he&#39;s been in the form of his life lately.

samb√£d5
01-12-05, 09:15 PM
yeah i want tupoki - hes been in awesome form and nosforatu is a fool for not wanting him. hes a inspiration to harbor, and is not only the real standout when it comes to captancy - but does a bloody good job at it aswell, when compared to other captains around the country. collins is a ****. if nos&#39;ie gets him to captain the blues, this will mean 3 things
1)we will have to find a place for him in the loosies, degrading our quallity that we have at the moment
2)we will have a **** captain
3)tupoki wont be in the starting 15 - or in the team at all. if collins is captain, then the blues are most likely to have a inside back combo of lavea, mcallister and tuituvaki - and possibly necwa in there somewhere too.

..::ERIC::..
01-12-05, 09:27 PM
Mealamu is not a bad option for captain. He is a seasoned All Black and must have a lot of respect from his team mates. With Whitcombe out of the S14 he is assured of a starting spot and will probably play 80min games unlike last year where Whitecombe got 15 - 20mins regually.

Collins did a fine job captaining Auckland and there would be nothing wrong with a loose trio of Collins - MacDonald - Braid.

rc_souljah
01-12-05, 09:35 PM
1.McDonnel/Schwalger
2.Hore/Luke Mahoney
3.Tialata/Fairbrother

Pretty solid front row. I don&#39;t really rate Hore, he only scores tries off taranki&#39;s great mauls, anywhere else apart from perhaps Cantabs he&#39;d be average. Schwalger looks very promising and had a good npc.

4.Kennedy/Tito/Andrews
5.Eaton

Eaton will have benefited a lot from the AB&#39;s and will be a definite starter.I&#39;d pick Ross Kennedy for the other starting spot, he&#39;s a former juniour AB and looks promising. Tito and Andrews are adequate aswel.

6.Collins
7.Masoe/Ben Herring
8.So&#39;oialo/Waldrom

Probably the best trio in the 14. Will be the most confrontational in the comp especially at the breakdown.

9.Piri Weepu/Haami
10.Gopperth/Ellison

Weepu&#39;s coming along very nicely and is arguably the best halfback in the country. Jimmy&#39;s a pointscoring machine and could be destined for higher honours.

12.Umaga/Ellison/Toeava
13.Smith/Nonu

Umaga and Smith and Umaga with Nonu are both proven combo&#39;s and all have ab&#39;s experience. Ellison may get a run against maybe the southern spears to see what he can do at this level.

11.Gear/Toeava/Nonu
14.Fa&#39;atau

Nonu is devastating on the wing and can beat anyone in the world one on one. Fa&#39;atau&#39;s gas adds a bit of contrast on the opposite wing and is one of the quickest in NZ rugby.

15.Paku/Toeava

I think Paku will get the start for most of the season unless Aussie McLean does something about it. I think Paku is probably the 3rd best fullback in the NZ and is a rock on defense.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
02-12-05, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by sambad5@Dec 2 2005, 10:15 AM
yeah i want tupoki - hes been in awesome form and nosforatu is a fool for not wanting him. hes a inspiration to harbor
mealamu is an inspiration to new zealand....

with the competition thats goin midfield...i doubt he will get a full season on the starting team

you got benny atiga,nacewa,mccalister,tipoki and tuitevake and george pisi

ya need a player who can put a stamp on his position and mealamu can do just that...a tireless worker who is always first to the grunt work...

ya need dat type of captain especially in aucklands team becoz of all the flair and running talent ya got..ya need da guy who can settle the team

anyways...up to nucifora...and its highly unlikely he will be captain even if nuc didnt want him to start with

187
03-12-05, 10:59 AM
hell yea i&#39;m real excited about our hurricanes team this year, we&#39;ve got like 11 all blacks, so hopefully they play like their all blacks.
knowing our luck tho, we always get shat on.. remember that awesome back line we had with Jonah, cullen, alatini, fa&#39;atau, umaga.. man that had to be the best backline in world rugby at the time but we couldn&#39;t even win a friggin S12!!!

samb√£d5
03-12-05, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by 187@Dec 4 2005, 12:59 AM
hell yea i&#39;m real excited about our hurricanes team this year, we&#39;ve got like 11 all blacks, so hopefully they play like their all blacks.
knowing our luck tho, we always get shat on.. remember that awesome back line we had with Jonah, cullen, alatini, fa&#39;atau, umaga.. man that had to be the best backline in world rugby at the time but we couldn&#39;t even win a friggin S12!!!
wellington is allergic to winning championships.

NZL Fan
04-12-05, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by ..::ERIC::..@Dec 2 2005, 10:27 AM
Collins did a fine job captaining Auckland and there would be nothing wrong with a loose trio of Collins - MacDonald - Braid.
Yes there would be something wrong with that loose forward trio - there is far superior players than Collins in the Blues squad...........

..::ERIC::..
04-12-05, 03:39 AM
Yes like Boric and Williams http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Ripper
04-12-05, 05:20 AM
or maybe Former All Black Troy Flavell or Current All Black Angus MacDonald.

You really telling me Collins should start ahead of them?

..::ERIC::..
04-12-05, 06:09 AM
Angus MacDonald is good, but do you really think he can play 6 and 8 at the same time?

What the hell Ripper can you read?

And Flavell will play lock.

Anway I&#39;m not saying he will start, I just said there isn&#39;t anything wrong with that combo if Collins is captain.

Mealamu will probably be captain anyway.

ALLBLACKS
04-12-05, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by 187@Dec 3 2005, 11:59 PM
hell yea i&#39;m real excited about our hurricanes team this year, we&#39;ve got like 11 all blacks, so hopefully they play like their all blacks.
knowing our luck tho, we always get shat on.. remember that awesome back line we had with Jonah, cullen, alatini, fa&#39;atau, umaga.. man that had to be the best backline in world rugby at the time but we couldn&#39;t even win a friggin S12!!!
DIfference was your weak foward pack back then. THis yr you have a good backline(nowhere near the Hurricanes of 200 and 2001) and you have great fowards.

8.So&#39;oialo
7.Masoe
6.Collins
5.Kennedy
4.Eaton
3.Tialata
2.Hore
1.McDonell

Ripper
04-12-05, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by ..::ERIC::..@Dec 4 2005, 08:09 PM
Angus MacDonald is good, but do you really think he can play 6 and 8 at the same time?

What the hell Ripper can you read?

And Flavell will play lock.

Anway I&#39;m not saying he will start, I just said there isn&#39;t anything wrong with that combo if Collins is captain.

Mealamu will probably be captain anyway.
Nick Williams will play 8, he was nay unstoppable in the short time last year, and if Flavell wants to get into the AB&#39;s again, his best chance will be at 6. As well as that, Greg Rawlison will probably start at lock along side with Ali, Jake White wanted him to be a Springbok so it&#39;s hardly like he is bench material.

NZL Fan
04-12-05, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by Ripper+Dec 5 2005, 06:55 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ripper @ Dec 5 2005, 06:55 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-..::ERIC::..@Dec 4 2005, 08:09 PM
Angus MacDonald is good, but do you really think he can play 6 and 8 at the same time?

What the hell Ripper can you read?

And Flavell will play lock.

Anway I&#39;m not saying he will start, I just said there isn&#39;t anything wrong with that combo if Collins is captain.

Mealamu will probably be captain anyway.
Nick Williams will play 8, he was nay unstoppable in the short time last year, and if Flavell wants to get into the AB&#39;s again, his best chance will be at 6. As well as that, Greg Rawlison will probably start at lock along side with Ali, Jake White wanted him to be a Springbok so it&#39;s hardly like he is bench material. [/b]
Flavell
Ali
McDonald ©
Braid
Nick Williams

and Justin Collins is where??? Collins best years are way behind him...........without the exemption from the draft I&#39;d actually doubt he would have made the squad.

Rawlinson will be on the bench because he plays for North Harbour..... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Wally
04-12-05, 09:45 PM
What about Brad Thorn?

Ripper
04-12-05, 10:00 PM
What are you smoking.

Wally
04-12-05, 10:14 PM
I&#39;m just saying he is one of New Zealand&#39;s best back rowers and the best blind flanker next to Collins. Shouldn&#39;t he be starting for Auckland?

Ripper
04-12-05, 10:54 PM
LAUGH OUT LOUD

loratadine
04-12-05, 10:59 PM
ok you lot need to listen to the only opinio that matters

your sh people are one eyed and biased and know nothing about rugby, take it from a welshmen what will happen

the top four will be

1-crusaders
2-brumbies
3-hurricanes
4-blues

Ripper
04-12-05, 11:00 PM
Just like Wales would beat the All Blacks I suppose.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
05-12-05, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by Wally@Dec 5 2005, 10:45 AM
What about Brad Thorn?
bahahhahahahaha

what a dumbass

esoj
05-12-05, 01:43 AM
he wasn&#39;t man enough to play union and sooked back off to league.

samb√£d5
05-12-05, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 5 2005, 12:59 PM
ok you lot need to listen to the only opinio that matters

your sh people are one eyed and biased and know nothing about rugby, take it from a welshmen what will happen

the top four will be

1-crusaders
2-brumbies
3-hurricanes
4-blues
ok tell me lora - you say "why dont you respect the welsh" "stop thinking im stupid"

when you make comments like that - you arnt doing yourself any favours

loratadine
05-12-05, 09:31 AM
ok sam bad it was meant to be ironic a joke - dont be like the english, i thought the nz had a sense of humour - geese.

rc_souljah
05-12-05, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Wally@Dec 5 2005, 11:14 AM
I&#39;m just saying he is one of New Zealand&#39;s best back rowers and the best blind flanker next to Collins. Shouldn&#39;t he be starting for Auckland?
Are you serious....or just making a joke?

samb√£d5
05-12-05, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 5 2005, 11:31 PM
ok sam bad it was meant to be ironic a joke - dont be like the english, i thought the nz had a sense of humour - geese.
in refrence to your predictions, or what you said before that.

if its what you said before, i take it back. if you belive that its going to be, crusaders, brumbies, canes, blues, your still a FOOL!

esoj
05-12-05, 08:52 PM
yeah blues will finish in top spot http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Wally
06-12-05, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101+Dec 5 2005, 01:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE CHIROPRACTOR101 @ Dec 5 2005, 01:47 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@Dec 5 2005, 10:45 AM
What about Brad Thorn?
bahahhahahahaha

what a dumbass [/b]
http://www.bangalorenet.com/social/actionaid/images/dis-spastic.jpg

kaftka
06-12-05, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 5 2005, 10:31 PM
ok sam bad it was meant to be ironic a joke - dont be like the english, i thought the nz had a sense of humour - geese.
No. No New Zealanders have a sense of humour....Or geese.