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Saint N Sinner
28-11-05, 09:59 AM
Here it comes again. The next stage is Semi-finals and it will be interesting to see who will progress.

My money is on Northampton of course. They have a tricky fixture down at Welford RD though.

Should be a good game, on BBC aswell so. Wish I could go but I will be nice and tucked up on the nice warm sofa with a nice cool beer.

Flamingo
28-11-05, 04:35 PM
Henson makes his comeback game sunday against Bristol

harrison2468
28-11-05, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by Flamingo@Nov 28 2005, 04:35 PM
Henson makes his comeback game sunday against Bristol
It is a shame, because Lima will probably be rested.

He would have torn that **** a new asshole if he lined up against him.

Bullitt
28-11-05, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468+Nov 28 2005, 05:34 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (harrison2468 @ Nov 28 2005, 05:34 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Flamingo@Nov 28 2005, 04:35 PM
Henson makes his comeback game sunday against Bristol
It is a shame, because Lima will probably be rested.

He would have torn that **** a new asshole if he lined up against him. [/b]
I would pay to see that; shame there&#39;s not a return leg... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

loratadine
28-11-05, 06:55 PM
henson - playing - are you sure?

harrison2468
28-11-05, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Nov 28 2005, 06:55 PM
henson - playing - are you sure?
He is, I remember reading it somewhere.

loratadine
28-11-05, 08:42 PM
it seems a pointless game to bring him back for though.

harrison2468
28-11-05, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Nov 28 2005, 08:42 PM
it seems a pointless game to bring him back for though.
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Either that is a terrible attempt at fishing or someone is confused with rugby, and match fitness.

Or both. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif

Saint N Sinner
28-11-05, 10:17 PM
Ummm....Okay.


Who do you think will make the semi&#39;s? I am going for...

Northampton...at least... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

harrison2468
28-11-05, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Air Ben@Nov 28 2005, 10:17 PM
Ummm....Okay.


Who do you think will make the semi&#39;s? I am going for...

Northampton...at least... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif
I would have backed Northampton after the last round of cup games, but now I&#39;m not so sure if they have the belief in them to beat Leicester after their recent form.

loratadine
28-11-05, 10:39 PM
well the ospreys cant qualify, so is there point in risking him in a pointless game, surely he should be rested for the hec, and where is the evidence hes playing, ive seen nothing about it.

loratadine
29-11-05, 11:09 AM
again please could someone find me some evidence of this.

robbinho
29-11-05, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Nov 29 2005, 11:09 PM
again please could someone find me some evidence of this.
Well looky what we have here..... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/4481408.stm)

loratadine
29-11-05, 03:39 PM
thank rob.

Saint N Sinner
29-11-05, 08:07 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I would have backed Northampton after the last round of cup games, but now I&#39;m not so sure if they have the belief in them to beat Leicester after their recent form.[/b]

Believe it or not Harry, but we have played really well, its just the results don&#39;t show us any justice.

Wasps for example, we played all the rugby, pulled off some really good moves, the tactics and the game plan worked really well but small errors here and there cancelled us the points.

And Wuss at the weekend. We played all the rugby once again, but some strange officiating cost us the all important win. Which really does get your goat up.

Of course the form doesn&#39;t do us any favours but, we can do it. Its just whether or not we actually show that we can.

SaintsFan_Webby
29-11-05, 08:13 PM
If Leicester play a proper team, our forwards are going to get dicked.

And then it will be left to our backs to try and win the game on the back-foot. Again.

A backline of...

9. Robinson
10. Spencer
11. Cohen
12. Quinlan
13. Clarke
14. Lamont
15. Reihana

...just doesn&#39;t deserve the **** service they&#39;ve been getting.

Missed Thomo and Smith in the pack, need to sort it out otherwise we&#39;ll continually get turned over.

Saint N Sinner
29-11-05, 08:15 PM
Don&#39;t forget Moddy and Tuilagi won&#39;t be playing, not saying it will mean we will automatically win but, its better odd&#39;s in my view.

harrison2468
29-11-05, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Nov 28 2005, 10:39 PM
well the ospreys cant qualify, so is there point in risking him in a pointless game, surely he should be rested for the hec, and where is the evidence hes playing, ive seen nothing about it.
Give him match fitness, so he doesn&#39;t go into a HEC game having not played for 2-3 months.

el_tk
29-11-05, 08:27 PM
According to the Irish Times, fitness permitting, Lomu could make his Cardiff debut this weekend.

loratadine
29-11-05, 08:42 PM
i know could be good
lomu will own london irish

harrison2468
29-11-05, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Nov 29 2005, 08:42 PM
i know could be good
lomu will own london irish
Lima will own Henson if he plays.

In fact, Cox, Higgit, Denney and Pritchard will own Henson!

el_tk
29-11-05, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468+Nov 29 2005, 09:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (harrison2468 @ Nov 29 2005, 09:47 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@Nov 29 2005, 08:42 PM
i know could be good
lomu will own london irish
Lima will own Henson if he plays.

In fact, Cox, Higgit, Denney and Pritchard will own Henson! [/b]
Why tell lies?

Have you ever actually seen anyone own Henson? Let alone whatever bunch of second-rate three-quarters your precious Bristol can throw at him?

loratadine
29-11-05, 09:21 PM
ha ha ha nice one, henson is world class, he may be overhyped somewhat due to his celeb lifestyle but hes is a top quality player.

Flamingo
29-11-05, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Nov 30 2005, 09:15 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Nov 30 2005, 09:15 AM)</div>

Originally posted by harrison2468@Nov 29 2005, 09:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@Nov 29 2005, 08:42 PM
i know could be good
lomu will own london irish
Lima will own Henson if he plays.

In fact, Cox, Higgit, Denney and Pritchard will own Henson!
Why tell lies?

Have you ever actually seen anyone own Henson? Let alone whatever bunch of second-rate three-quarters your precious Bristol can throw at him? [/b]
I love u el tk i honestly do!

oh yeh good point about that henson thing i have actually never seen henson be owned!!

Oh and by the way his book is supprisingly awesome and the media made a mountain over a mole hill with that dispute with the foreign welsh players it was nothing.

harrison2468
29-11-05, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Nov 29 2005, 09:15 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Nov 29 2005, 09:15 PM)</div>

Originally posted by harrison2468@Nov 29 2005, 09:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@Nov 29 2005, 08:42 PM
i know could be good
lomu will own london irish
Lima will own Henson if he plays.

In fact, Cox, Higgit, Denney and Pritchard will own Henson!
Why tell lies?

Have you ever actually seen anyone own Henson? Let alone whatever bunch of second-rate three-quarters your precious Bristol can throw at him? [/b]
Carter owned him in the second test, just for one moment, where Henson tried to smack him, got bounced off a treat, and the ABs first try.

On second rate three quarters, don;t tell lies, What the hell do you know. It is basic fact that GP>>>Celtic League, and we are doing well in the GP, so a poor three quarters I seriously doubt.

As for precious, one of your best players was brought up here, from Argentina, so you should be grateful. He&#39;ll soon come back to play at a competitive level, when he has finished studying.

And as for Lima as second-rate, http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif. Nice one with the welsh support though!

Flamingo
29-11-05, 09:35 PM
Henson and carter played in dofferent positions so how could carter have owned him

thats like saying Duncan jones Owned drew mitchell

harrison2468
29-11-05, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Flamingo@Nov 29 2005, 09:35 PM
Henson and carter played in dofferent positions so how could carter have owned him

thats like saying Duncan jones Owned drew mitchell
Henson started his career in fly-half...

Don&#39;t have to be in direct competition, Carter owned him at that tackle. Henson tried to do one of his illegal shoulder tackles, and it back fired, Lions conceded a crucial try.

10 and 12 are very much interchangeable in the pro game anyway.

Saint N Sinner
29-11-05, 10:04 PM
He is a good player but, his lifestyle and his skills have blinded him into making him think he is something he isn&#39;t.

loratadine
29-11-05, 10:28 PM
henson will be a better player this season im sure of it, he has so much potential and is by no means the finnished article.

Saint N Sinner
30-11-05, 11:37 AM
We will just have to wait and see, sure will be interesting though.

Boy
30-11-05, 12:11 PM
Turns out that the Bath V Gloucester game, a West country derby that sees the winner advance to the Semi Finals, is being shown exclusively live on the Welsh speaking S4C[ode], so English fans can only watch it if, a)they have Sky, or http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif live near enough Wales.

What&#39;s the point? I&#39;m lucky in that I can pick it up, but if the facilities are going to be in place to broadcast live, why only have it broadcast to a minority audience who probably won&#39;t really care? The BBC has full rights to the Cup, and has BBC3 and BBC4 doing nothing at 5:30 on Saturday. Instead we&#39;ll have to put up with &#39;yacky-dar, yacky-dar, Duncan Bell. LLLLLLLLLLLL...Isaac Feaunati...&#39;

Saint N Sinner
30-11-05, 01:24 PM
Indeed. Better than nothing though...

el_tk
30-11-05, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468+Nov 29 2005, 10:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (harrison2468 @ Nov 29 2005, 10:32 PM)</div>

Originally posted by el_tk@Nov 29 2005, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by harrison2468@Nov 29 2005, 09:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@Nov 29 2005, 08:42 PM
i know could be good
lomu will own london irish
Lima will own Henson if he plays.

In fact, Cox, Higgit, Denney and Pritchard will own Henson!
Why tell lies?

Have you ever actually seen anyone own Henson? Let alone whatever bunch of second-rate three-quarters your precious Bristol can throw at him?
Carter owned him in the second test, just for one moment, where Henson tried to smack him, got bounced off a treat, and the ABs first try.

On second rate three quarters, don;t tell lies, What the hell do you know. It is basic fact that GP>>>Celtic League, and we are doing well in the GP, so a poor three quarters I seriously doubt.

As for precious, one of your best players was brought up here, from Argentina, so you should be grateful. He&#39;ll soon come back to play at a competitive level, when he has finished studying.

And as for Lima as second-rate, http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif. Nice one with the welsh support though! [/b]
If you want to make a direct threequarter comparison between Leinster and Bristol I&#39;d fancy any two from BOD, D&#39;Arce and Shaggy to take all four of your threequarters and Lima without much hassle. This &#39;best player&#39; you go on about couldn&#39;t get into the team for his first two years and is only there now because Holwell has gone back to NZ. You can&#39;t judge Irish teams on the Celtic League because they literally never have a full strength team out. We could compare Heineken cup but...wait..oh yeah... Bristol aren&#39;t even in that.

If you say someone is owned by someone else when they miss a tackle then pretty much every rugby player ever is owned.

You&#39;re a jealous idiot because Bristol (and indeed England) don&#39;t have who can do what Henson does for The Ospereys and Wales (or BOD for Leinster and Ireland).

harrison2468
30-11-05, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Nov 30 2005, 02:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Nov 30 2005, 02:48 PM)</div>

Originally posted by harrison2468@Nov 29 2005, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by el_tk@Nov 29 2005, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by harrison2468@Nov 29 2005, 09:47 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@Nov 29 2005, 08:42 PM
i know could be good
lomu will own london irish
Lima will own Henson if he plays.

In fact, Cox, Higgit, Denney and Pritchard will own Henson!
Why tell lies?

Have you ever actually seen anyone own Henson? Let alone whatever bunch of second-rate three-quarters your precious Bristol can throw at him?
Carter owned him in the second test, just for one moment, where Henson tried to smack him, got bounced off a treat, and the ABs first try.

On second rate three quarters, don;t tell lies, What the hell do you know. It is basic fact that GP>>>Celtic League, and we are doing well in the GP, so a poor three quarters I seriously doubt.

As for precious, one of your best players was brought up here, from Argentina, so you should be grateful. He&#39;ll soon come back to play at a competitive level, when he has finished studying.

And as for Lima as second-rate, http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif. Nice one with the welsh support though!
If you want to make a direct threequarter comparison between Leinster and Bristol I&#39;d fancy any two from BOD, D&#39;Arce and Shaggy to take all four of your threequarters and Lima without much hassle. This &#39;best player&#39; you go on about couldn&#39;t get into the team for his first two years and is only there now because Holwell has gone back to NZ. You can&#39;t judge Irish teams on the Celtic League because they literally never have a full strength team out. We could compare Heineken cup but...wait..oh yeah... Bristol aren&#39;t even in that.

If you say someone is owned by someone else when they miss a tackle then pretty much every rugby player ever is owned.

You&#39;re a jealous idiot because Bristol (and indeed England) don&#39;t have who can do what Henson does for The Ospereys and Wales (or BOD for Leinster and Ireland). [/b]
I&#39;m jealous of Henson and BOD? I&#39;d rather not have a such a unprofessional player playing for the teams I support, one who slags off fellow team mates in his novels! As for BOD, yeah he is quality, he&#39;ll be good for Biaritz next season. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

As for your assumptions about your three-quarters, you are the ignorant idiot there mate. I know something about both sets of players, while you don&#39;t, so you can&#39;t really comment. Yes, they are better, but then our front row would destroy yours, and I am very certain on that. It works in circles really.

England have Abbott, who is just as good a distributor of the ball as Henson. They have Noon who is miles better a tackler. And they have Smith, who is miles better all round. Face it, you just either fancy him, or are too absorbed by the media hype. Shanklin is twice the player he is.

Bristol aren&#39;t in the HC...man, that&#39;s weak. You expect a team coming up from ND1 to just be put in the HEC?

Flamingo
30-11-05, 05:58 PM
Actually Henson started his career on the wing http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

harrison2468
30-11-05, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Flamingo@Nov 30 2005, 05:58 PM
Actually Henson started his career on the wing http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif I read that the other day actually.

Good on him, defying the unwritten rule about wingers needing pace.

loratadine
30-11-05, 06:36 PM
nice one - henson is a good player, hes by no means the finnished article.

harrison2468
30-11-05, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Nov 30 2005, 06:36 PM
nice one - henson is a good player, hes by no means the finnished article.
Nice one, I would hope he wasn&#39;t for his, Osprey&#39;s and Wales&#39;s sake.

el_tk
30-11-05, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Nov 30 2005, 06:46 PM
I&#39;m jealous of Henson and BOD? I&#39;d rather not have a such a unprofessional player playing for the teams I support, one who slags off fellow team mates in his novels! As for BOD, yeah he is quality, he&#39;ll be good for Biaritz next season. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

As for your assumptions about your three-quarters, you are the ignorant idiot there mate. I know something about both sets of players, while you don&#39;t, so you can&#39;t really comment. Yes, they are better, but then our front row would destroy yours, and I am very certain on that. It works in circles really.

England have Abbott, who is just as good a distributor of the ball as Henson. They have Noon who is miles better a tackler. And they have Smith, who is miles better all round. Face it, you just either fancy him, or are too absorbed by the media hype. Shanklin is twice the player he is.

Bristol aren&#39;t in the HC...man, that&#39;s weak. You expect a team coming up from ND1 to just be put in the HEC?
As Flamingo said, that whole book thing was blown out of proportion by the media, like BOD&#39;s diary.

Moi, Ignorant Idiot? I should strike you down with my pimp hand for you foolishness.

I am aware of the existence of Denney although the fact that none of the threequarters you mention have played internationally recently suggests a lot to me concerning their calibre as players.

Abbott is South African and really shouldn&#39;t be playing for England, as like Mike Catt, he couldn&#39;t cope physically in South Africa.

Noon is awful, I can&#39;t believe he ever played for England.

Smith is decent but nowhere near BOD or Henson.

If all these players are so much better than Henson why can&#39;t they get into the England team? (which I might remind you a Henson-featuring Wales defeated).

Leinster don&#39;t need a front row because they can win a match with 10% to 15% of the posession.

Perhaps you didn&#39;t understand the subtlety of my HEC cup point. How was a side with such supposedly brilliant threequarters get relegated?

harrison2468
30-11-05, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Nov 30 2005, 09:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Nov 30 2005, 09:18 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Nov 30 2005, 06:46 PM
I&#39;m jealous of Henson and BOD?* I&#39;d rather not have a such a unprofessional player playing for the teams I support, one who slags off fellow team mates in his novels!* As for BOD, yeah he is quality, he&#39;ll be good for Biaritz next season. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

As for your assumptions about your three-quarters, you are the ignorant idiot there mate.* I know something about both sets of players, while you don&#39;t, so you can&#39;t really comment.* Yes, they are better, but then our front row would destroy yours, and I am very certain on that.* It works in circles really.*

England have Abbott, who is just as good a distributor of the ball as Henson.* They have Noon who is miles better a tackler.* And they have Smith, who is miles better all round.* Face it, you just either fancy him, or are too absorbed by the media hype.* Shanklin is twice the player he is.*

Bristol aren&#39;t in the HC...man, that&#39;s weak.* You expect a team coming up from ND1 to just be put in the HEC?
As Flamingo said, that whole book thing was blown out of proportion by the media, like BOD&#39;s diary.

Moi, Ignorant Idiot? I should strike you down with my pimp hand for you foolishness.

I am aware of the existence of Denney although the fact that none of the threequarters you mention have played internationally recently suggests a lot to me concerning their calibre as players.

Abbott is South African and really shouldn&#39;t be playing for England, as like Mike Catt, he couldn&#39;t cope physically in South Africa.

Noon is awful, I can&#39;t believe he ever played for England.

Smith is decent but nowhere near BOD or Henson.

If all these players are so much better than Henson why can&#39;t they get into the England team? (which I might remind you a Henson-featuring Wales defeated).

Leinster don&#39;t need a front row because they can win a match with 10% to 15% of the posession.

Perhaps you didn&#39;t understand the subtlety of my HEC cup point. How was a side with such supposedly brilliant threequarters get relegated? [/b]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Perhaps you didn&#39;t understand the subtlety of my HEC cup point. How was a side with such supposedly brilliant threequarters get relegated?[/b]

http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif There is the ignorance - none of them played when we were relegated. Sheridan, Contepomi, Pichot, Lipman, Best... were playing for us when we got relegated.

As for Abbott, everyone poaches - http://www.therugbyforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4083.

Noon is actually a great centre, he just isn&#39;t getting the service from an inside side. Tindall isn&#39;t a great passer. On the Churchill cup a few years ago, he was one of the best performers, and had a great game versus the NZ Maori in that tournament.

Smith is better than Henson. Simple as.

All 3 aren&#39;t &#39;much better&#39; than Henson, just better, and it is simple really; Wales have Ruddock, England have Robinson. Swap them around, and the 6N would had looked very different last year. It is not my fault that AR picks Tindall over Smith.

You are a fool if you think that international caps equals a good player, which is obviously the case as you beliive Henson is. He was the worst nack for Wales last year, just made to look better by media hype.

Boy
30-11-05, 09:50 PM
Originally posted by el_tk@Dec 1 2005, 09:18 AM
Abbott is South African and really shouldn&#39;t be playing for England, as like Mike Catt, he couldn&#39;t cope physically in South Africa.

Leinster don&#39;t need a front row because they can win a match with 10% to 15% of the posession.
First thing, Catt didn&#39;t start playing first grade rugby until he came to the UK. You can&#39;t say he couldn&#39;t cope with SA physicality when he didn&#39;t concentrate on his rugby until he left. It was 1992/3, the game was still amateur, and he was barely 20.

With all due respect, every team needs a front row. If Australia had one, they wouldn&#39;t be in the trouble they are right now. Leinster&#39;s got turned inside out by Bath in the HC at the RDS a couple of months ago. They had far more than 10-15% possession (more like 50-55%), and couldn&#39;t win at home against a, let&#39;s face it, average Premiership team.

Saint N Sinner
30-11-05, 10:18 PM
Totally agree.

The front row is the main issue today in sport. It need&#39;s to be perfect to stand any chance of winning.

Injury&#39;s don&#39;t help either.

loratadine
30-11-05, 10:44 PM
i disagree, how much celtic league games do you watch, henson is a fantastic player and is in the top 4 centres in britain. Granted he aint there quite yet, but hes still an abosolute fantastic player and in my opinion is streets ahead of anyone england have got to offer, ive seen ollie smith and dont really rate him as good as henson, is passing - like most england centres is shocking.

robbinho
01-12-05, 02:38 PM
It matters not.... the tw@t is beadled again. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/4481408.stm)

cavan
01-12-05, 02:45 PM
lol, Wilkinson-esque tendancies. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

loratadine
01-12-05, 03:41 PM
its only a week
they prob dont want to rush him back.

robbinho
01-12-05, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by cavan@Dec 2 2005, 02:45 AM
lol, Wilkinson-esque tendancies. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
Except Johnny isn&#39;t an over-rated fop with a hugely exaggerated sense of his own self worth. And isn&#39;t banging a fat charver.

loratadine
01-12-05, 04:07 PM
no youre right - hes not banging anyone.

Flamingo
01-12-05, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by robbinho+Dec 2 2005, 04:01 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (robbinho @ Dec 2 2005, 04:01 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-cavan@Dec 2 2005, 02:45 AM
lol, Wilkinson-esque tendancies.* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif
Except Johnny isn&#39;t an over-rated fop with a hugely exaggerated sense of his own self worth. And isn&#39;t banging a fat charver. [/b]
Nor is Gav http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif

SaintsFan_Webby
01-12-05, 07:08 PM
Saints have announced their line-up for the match against Leicester:

15 BRUCE REIHANA (capt)
14 SEAN LAMONT
13 Jon Clarke
12 Rhodri Davies
11 BEN COHEN
10 CARLOS SPENCER
9 MARK ROBINSON
1 Chris Budgen
2 STEVE THOMPSON
3 Pat Barnard
4 Damien Browne
5 Matt Lord
6 Ben Lewitt
7 SAM HARDING
8 Daniel Browne

16 Dylan Hartley
17 Colin Noon
18 DAVID GERARD
19 Darren Fox
20 Johnny Howard
21 Luke Myring
22 John Rudd

robbinho
02-12-05, 10:50 AM
Jon Clarke was 3 years below me at school.

Boy
02-12-05, 12:16 PM
Think I probably played with him half a dozen or so times at Frome RFC before he went off to Bath (then Bristol, now Saints). Used to play 10 those days, and was always trying petulent little tricks. Funny to see him use pretty much the same tricks playing in the centres for Saints at Sarriers. I didn&#39;t fall for them, of course...

el_tk
02-12-05, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Boy+Nov 30 2005, 10:50 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Boy @ Nov 30 2005, 10:50 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-el_tk@Dec 1 2005, 09:18 AM
Abbott is South African and really shouldn&#39;t be playing for England, as like Mike Catt, he couldn&#39;t cope physically in South Africa.

Leinster don&#39;t need a front row because they can win a match with 10% to 15% of the posession.


With all due respect, every team needs a front row. If Australia had one, they wouldn&#39;t be in the trouble they are right now. Leinster&#39;s got turned inside out by Bath in the HC at the RDS a couple of months ago. They had far more than 10-15% possession (more like 50-55%), and couldn&#39;t win at home against a, let&#39;s face it, average Premiership team. [/b]
They lost by 3 points because Contepomi played out-half for 20 minutes and scored a full house. Then he invented this new position between 2nd centre and wing and f***ed off and played the rest of the match there.

If the ref had penalised blatant deliberate knock-ons and played advantage consistently your 14 man pack with Olly Barkley would have lost.

el_tk
02-12-05, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Nov 30 2005, 10:38 PM
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif There is the ignorance - none of them played when we were relegated. Sheridan, Contepomi, Pichot, Lipman, Best... were playing for us when we got relegated.

As for Abbott, everyone poaches - http://www.therugbyforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4083.

Noon is actually a great centre, he just isn&#39;t getting the service from an inside side. Tindall isn&#39;t a great passer. On the Churchill cup a few years ago, he was one of the best performers, and had a great game versus the NZ Maori in that tournament.

Smith is better than Henson. Simple as.

All 3 aren&#39;t &#39;much better&#39; than Henson, just better, and it is simple really; Wales have Ruddock, England have Robinson. Swap them around, and the 6N would had looked very different last year. It is not my fault that AR picks Tindall over Smith.

You are a fool if you think that international caps equals a good player, which is obviously the case as you beliive Henson is. He was the worst nack for Wales last year, just made to look better by media hype.
So this fantastic bunch of threequarters were only signed when all your good players left?

The Churchill cup is an absolute joke. Wow, out of England A, The US, Canada, and the NZ Maori, England A had the best centre. There&#39;s an achievement, what with there being no pro-league in the US and none tha I&#39;m aware of in Canada.

Smith and Henson are different kinds of players. Smith is a traditional centre while Henson is used more in the 2nd playmaker role akin to Mauger and Giteau.

I didn&#39;t say an international cap equals a good player but I think we&#39;d all agree that international players aren&#39;t picked out of a hat, or in some kind of lottery but because the international coaching team percieves them to offer more in certain areas than others.

Henson was not Wales&#39; worst player last year. As I said before, you&#39;re just jealous because he doesn&#39;t play for Bristol/England.

Flamingo
02-12-05, 03:48 PM
Here Here el tk, Here Here

Boy
02-12-05, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Dec 3 2005, 03:04 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Dec 3 2005, 03:04 AM)</div>

Originally posted by Boy@Nov 30 2005, 10:50 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-el_tk@Dec 1 2005, 09:18 AM
Abbott is South African and really shouldn&#39;t be playing for England, as like Mike Catt, he couldn&#39;t cope physically in South Africa.

Leinster don&#39;t need a front row because they can win a match with 10% to 15% of the posession.


With all due respect, every team needs a front row. If Australia had one, they wouldn&#39;t be in the trouble they are right now. Leinster&#39;s got turned inside out by Bath in the HC at the RDS a couple of months ago. They had far more than 10-15% possession (more like 50-55%), and couldn&#39;t win at home against a, let&#39;s face it, average Premiership team.
They lost by 3 points because Contepomi played out-half for 20 minutes and scored a full house. Then he invented this new position between 2nd centre and wing and f***ed off and played the rest of the match there.

If the ref had penalised blatant deliberate knock-ons and played advantage consistently your 14 man pack with Olly Barkley would have lost. [/b]
You said Leinster could win with 10-15% possession. If your players aren&#39;t disciplined enough even to play in their right position, your statement is clearly false.

If the ref had properly penalised the scrum, your prop Byrne would have been whistled all day. He wouldn&#39;t have been able to hear it, of course, what with his head being shoved up his arse by David Barnes and Matt Stevens.

el_tk
02-12-05, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Boy@Dec 2 2005, 06:04 PM
You said Leinster could win with 10-15% possession. If your players aren&#39;t disciplined enough even to play in their right position, your statement is clearly false.

If the ref had properly penalised the scrum, your prop Byrne would have been whistled all day. He wouldn&#39;t have been able to hear it, of course, what with his head being shoved up his arse by David Barnes and Matt Stevens.
Leinster can generally win with 10-15% of posession because their back play compensates for the forward failings, due to the fact that they usually have an outhalf in the traditional position.

If the ref had played advantage properly and brought back Shane Horgan&#39;s kick-through Leinster would have gained at least another 3 points in the 1st half, if he had penalised the 3 blatant deliberate knock-ons Leinster would have got another 6-9 points in the 2nd half.

This is all more or less irrelevant anyway as my original point was about jealousy of Henson and Catt was merely a convienent example for something 2 pages back.

I&#39;d say deep down you&#39;re still hurting from last season when Leinster beat you once and then got away with daylight robbery in a match where their line-out (and probably scrum) got murdered. What happened then? BOD popped up and scored one try and played a large part in another for O&#39;Kelly.

Boy
02-12-05, 05:23 PM
Your point was that Leinster didn&#39;t need a front row. I don&#39;t believe that to be true. Leinster&#39;s backs are, on their day, extremely impressive, but until they build up the front five, they aren&#39;t going to make any impression on the Heineken Cup. Likewise, the same goes for Bath&#39;s backline.

You mentioned Catt, and as I know about him, I clarified the reference you made.

I&#39;d like to think that my life is full enough not to still be hurting about two games of rugby last season, neither of which Bath deserved to win.

harrison2468
02-12-05, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Dec 2 2005, 03:11 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Dec 2 2005, 03:11 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Nov 30 2005, 10:38 PM
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif There is the ignorance - none of them played when we were relegated.* Sheridan, Contepomi, Pichot, Lipman, Best... were playing for us when we got relegated.

As for Abbott, everyone poaches - http://www.therugbyforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4083.

Noon is actually a great centre, he just isn&#39;t getting the service from an inside side.* Tindall isn&#39;t a great passer.* On the Churchill cup a few years ago, he was one of the best performers, and had a great game versus the NZ Maori in that tournament.

Smith is better than Henson.* Simple as.

All 3 aren&#39;t &#39;much better&#39; than Henson, just better, and it is simple really; Wales have Ruddock, England have Robinson.* Swap them around, and the 6N would had looked very different last year.* It is not my fault that AR picks Tindall over Smith.

You are a fool if you think that international caps equals a good player, which is obviously the case as you beliive Henson is.* He was the worst nack for Wales last year, just made to look better by media hype.
So this fantastic bunch of threequarters were only signed when all your good players left?

The Churchill cup is an absolute joke. Wow, out of England A, The US, Canada, and the NZ Maori, England A had the best centre. There&#39;s an achievement, what with there being no pro-league in the US and none tha I&#39;m aware of in Canada.

Smith and Henson are different kinds of players. Smith is a traditional centre while Henson is used more in the 2nd playmaker role akin to Mauger and Giteau.

I didn&#39;t say an international cap equals a good player but I think we&#39;d all agree that international players aren&#39;t picked out of a hat, or in some kind of lottery but because the international coaching team percieves them to offer more in certain areas than others.

Henson was not Wales&#39; worst player last year. As I said before, you&#39;re just jealous because he doesn&#39;t play for Bristol/England. [/b]
You still don&#39;t what your talking about when it comes to the players though, making you ignorant. They are doing a very good job, but you wouldn&#39;t know about that, being ignorant and all. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Henson is a centre. Smith is a centre. Smith is better, simple as.

Regardless of quality, which he really doesn&#39;t have much of, I would never want such an unproffessional player in a team I support. Slagging off your own players is just out of order. He isn&#39;t as good as you think him, it&#39;s just that you are engulfed by the media for him too much. You can only make up your mind through reading articles, rather than watching the player himself.


Jealous of Henson? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif What, because I slag him off for being a knob, a crap one at that. Get over it, you just love his legs in reality.

Bullitt
02-12-05, 06:13 PM
^^^

Not to be too akward, but Henson is an inside centre while Smith is an outside centre.

However, Ollie Barkley > Henson. And that&#39;s a hell of a comment!!!! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

harrison2468
02-12-05, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Teh Mite@Dec 2 2005, 06:13 PM
^^^

Not to be too akward, but Henson is an inside centre while Smith is an outside centre.

However, Ollie Barkley > Henson. And that&#39;s a hell of a comment!!!! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Meh, I know, but I&#39;m a simple guy, a centre is a centre to me. None of this inside, outside crap. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

In your 12, you want a reliable tackler in all positions, and with Barkley, you at least you get that. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

SaintsFan_Webby
02-12-05, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Boy@Dec 2 2005, 01:16 PM
Think I probably played with him half a dozen or so times at Frome RFC before he went off to Bath (then Bristol, now Saints). Used to play 10 those days, and was always trying petulent little tricks. Funny to see him use pretty much the same tricks playing in the centres for Saints at Sarriers. I didn&#39;t fall for them, of course...
He&#39;d burn you now. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Wasn&#39;t convinced by him last season, but this year he&#39;s come on leaps and bounds. Tipped by Carlos Spencer as a future England player, and if he continues to improve at the rate he has then I wouldn&#39;t bet against it.

harrison2468
02-12-05, 09:28 PM
Scarlets beat the Sale 3rds by a point, to see them through to the s-f.

loratadine
02-12-05, 09:31 PM
it doesnt matter, there still to the SEMI FINALS - not the quarters - you dont know what youre talking about - that makes you ignorant

rugby is all about opinions - and youre opinion is that smith is better than henson

whereas i think henson is alot better than smith.

harrison2468
02-12-05, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 2 2005, 09:31 PM
it doesnt matter, there still to the SEMI FINALS - not the quarters - you dont know what youre talking about - that makes you ignorant

rugby is all about opinions - and youre opinion is that smith is better than henson

whereas i think henson is alot better than smith.
What are you talking about? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I predicted they would make it anyway, and the only Welsh team to make it. You said at least 2 would, and 1 would win it. How wrong you are and will be.

Thanks for respecting my views, considering they are right on this one. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

loratadine
02-12-05, 10:41 PM
yeah... right... nice one

henson would own smith

and well see that next week.

harrison2468
02-12-05, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 2 2005, 10:41 PM
henson would own smith
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
rugby is all about opinions - and youre opinion is that smith is better than henson[/b]

http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Complete idiot. Can&#39;t remember what you typed a few posts ago. Nice one!

It won&#39;t be fair to rush Gav back versus such a big team. He will lack match fitness, and won&#39;t be up to pace with Smith, Murphy and Varndell.

loratadine
02-12-05, 11:45 PM
yeah - brilliant mate - nice face - henson would own smith - and he&#39;ll own him next week.

harrison2468
02-12-05, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 2 2005, 11:45 PM
yeah - brilliant mate - nice face - henson would own smith - and he&#39;ll own him next week.
&#39;Yeah - brilliant mate&#39; - pfft is that the best you can do in an arguement? Pathetic.

Can&#39;t you construct an arguement to make some valid points about why you are right and I am wrong, rather than just being a sarcastic dumbarse?

Smith - Runs straight lines, with pace and strength. With cut in on Henson, leaving Henson in his vulnerable tacking position.

- Will have more match fitness than Henson

- More experienced than Henson.

- Plays in a better team, will have more possesion to work with.

- His distrubution skills are just as good as Henson, who only really has an advantage in the kicking game.

You try!

loratadine
02-12-05, 11:59 PM
henson is a proving try scorer at both club and internatioal level - smith isnt.
i think people are a little harsh to criticise henson for his tackling, i remember hims missing one big one and that was against carter, and if it wasnt for "old timer" greenwood dropping the ball he wouldnt have had to defend. Most of the games ive seen him in his tackling is quite good - granted hes not as good as he thinks he is at tackling and have got to stop trying to make the perfect big hit.

henson have got a tremendous step, a deceptively good step, i doubt you&#39;d know as you prob dont watch many osprey games, but henson has good feet and can cut back inside well,

he is stronger than smith - thats in no doubt

hes a better passer of the ball in my opinion - and his hands are terrific, remember that pick up against the bop in the lions tour - quality,

hes a good reader of a game and can see space well

he has a massive boot, one of the biggest in the nh, this offers and extra kicking option both for the fly-half and covering with the fullback

hes faster than he looks, i distinctl remember henson outpacing mathew tait in cardiff, and it was only due to jason robinson that he didnt score

leicster are a good team - im in no doubt, but we have a tremendous team to - and im hopefully that if we get some solidity at the breakdown we can match and even beat leicster, as ive said - youre entitled to youre opinion - as am i - and i think henson would own smith. and is a better player.

harrison2468
03-12-05, 12:10 AM
Thank you.

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henson is a proving try scorer at both club and internatioal level - smith isnt.[/b]

Stats please. Smith has scored more tries than Henson at club level, I bet you. Not at international, but that is because he hasn&#39;t had the chance yet.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
i think people are a little harsh to criticise henson for his tackling, i remember hims missing one big one and that was against carter, and if it wasnt for "old timer" greenwood dropping the ball he wouldnt have had to defend. Most of the games ive seen him in his tackling is quite good - granted hes not as good as he thinks he is at tackling and have got to stop trying to make the perfect big hit.[/b]

True, but insert &#39;Greenwood&#39; for &#39;Thomas.&#39; Head on tackles, he dtops people, but doesn&#39;t use his arms (therefore illegal) and he can&#39;t tackle on angles.

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he is stronger than smith - thats in no doubt[/b]

Smith is faster, and more mobile.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
hes a better passer of the ball in my opinion - and his hands are terrific, remember that pick up against the bop in the lions tour - quality,[/b]

About equal with Smith. 1 pick-up doesn&#39;t make his hands amazing. Smith is capable of finding openings better than Henson, but he probably has a longer pass.

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hes a good reader of a game and can see space well[/b]

And Smith.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
he has a massive boot, one of the biggest in the nh, this offers and extra kicking option both for the fly-half and covering with the fullback[/b]

Granted, but Leicester have other kicking options. Plus Smith is outside, meaning he is very unlikely to be in first receivor to kick the ball.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
hes faster than he looks, i distinctl remember henson outpacing mathew tait in cardiff, and it was only due to jason robinson that he didnt score[/b]

No, Henson himself, when asked about Tait, said he tracked him down at a time where he probably would have scored a try. Smith is also faster.

My opinion is though that you think he is a better player because of your nationality, where as I am seeing it through different eyes. I&#39;m happy to admit that Shanklin is a better player than Smith. But not Henson.

loratadine
03-12-05, 12:19 AM
my nationality has got nothing to do with it, i just think englands centres are crap.

Bullitt
03-12-05, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 3 2005, 12:19 AM
my nationality has got nothing to do with it, i just think englands centres are crap.
That&#39;s a bit of a genralisation and unfair isn&#39;t it? Just because Andy Robinson doesn&#39;t know what the right choices are doesn&#39;t mean there aren&#39;t fantastic English centres;

Smith
Abbott
Lewsey
Barkley
Tait (given time)
Jon Clarke (Englands future outside centre)
Sinbad (even though I don&#39;t rate him, someone is bound to &#39;correct&#39; me and mention him)

Plus there are some excelent sevens players like Appleford and Vilk who could get into the squad if needed.

sarries fan
03-12-05, 11:15 AM
you&#39;ve also got ben johnston at saracens who at one time was in the england set up, and even kevin sorrell for that matter

robbinho
03-12-05, 11:34 AM
Oh don&#39;t lower the tone!

el_tk
03-12-05, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 2 2005, 06:59 PM
You still don&#39;t what your talking about when it comes to the players though, making you ignorant. They are doing a very good job, but you wouldn&#39;t know about that, being ignorant and all. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

Henson is a centre. Smith is a centre. Smith is better, simple as.

Regardless of quality, which he really doesn&#39;t have much of, I would never want such an unproffessional player in a team I support. Slagging off your own players is just out of order. He isn&#39;t as good as you think him, it&#39;s just that you are engulfed by the media for him too much. You can only make up your mind through reading articles, rather than watching the player himself.


Jealous of Henson? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif What, because I slag him off for being a knob, a crap one at that. Get over it, you just love his legs in reality
YOU don&#39;t know what you&#39;re talking about because you can&#39;t see the difference between 1st and 2nd centre.

Twice now you&#39;ve said Smith is better than Henson, without bothering to tell us why.

Once again I say the whole &#39;slagging off teamates&#39; thing was blown out of proportion, it hasn&#39;t affected Wales or the Ospereys.

The first time I saw Henson play was a few years back when he was playing for Swansea against Leinster in the HEC, I think it was 4 years ago. Swansea were awful and lost heavily but Henson was brilliant, he scored all Swansea&#39;s points in a full house. So don&#39;t give me bull**** about only reading about him.

I say you&#39;re jealous because Bristol&#39;s centres lack star quality. The petty nature of your insults about him only confirms my perception.

And yes, Gavin has lovely legs.

harrison2468
03-12-05, 11:52 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Twice now you&#39;ve said Smith is better than Henson, without bothering to tell us why.[/b]

Um, look back a page.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Once again I say the whole &#39;slagging off teamates&#39; thing was blown out of proportion, it hasn&#39;t affected Wales or the Ospereys.[/b]

Do you have a crystal ball? Don&#39;t make assumptions, he hasn&#39;t represented either since writting the book. He will make Wales fall apart.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I say you&#39;re jealous because Bristol&#39;s centres lack star quality. The petty nature of your insults about him only confirms my perception.[/b]

Um, Lima is not a star right? Pfft, a legend in Samoa and the game, four WCs FFS. Cox is playing amazing at the moment for us at the moment, and I&#39;m perfectly happy with where we are in the table, well above the expections.

Petty insults? Your the one who keeps involving Bristol in this conversation. I originally said he would get owned where he plays, mainly because it is the first time. 9 out of 10 will want to smack Henson for his actions. He isn&#39;t playing now so it deosn&#39;t matter now really does it? Petty is involving my team every post.

loratadine
03-12-05, 11:55 AM
henson could still make it on the bench, there not making a decision till tomorrow

harrison2468
03-12-05, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 3 2005, 11:55 AM
henson could still make it on the bench, there not making a decision till tomorrow
I doubt he will play tbh.

loratadine
03-12-05, 12:17 PM
prob not hes prob to scared of what bristol got to offer.

Bullitt
03-12-05, 12:18 PM
Shame really, I&#39;d love to see Lima give him a lesson in how to tackle someone that&#39;s not running straight at him.

harrison2468
03-12-05, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Teh Mite@Dec 3 2005, 12:18 PM
Shame really, I&#39;d love to see Lima give him a lesson in how to tackle someone that&#39;s not running straight at him.
We are playing our 2nds, therefore no Lima.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
prob not hes prob to scared of what bristol got to offer.[/b]

Nice one. Um, not.

el_tk
03-12-05, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 3 2005, 12:52 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
Twice now you&#39;ve said Smith is better than Henson, without bothering to tell us why.

Um, look back a page.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Once again I say the whole &#39;slagging off teamates&#39; thing was blown out of proportion, it hasn&#39;t affected Wales or the Ospereys.[/b]

Do you have a crystal ball? Don&#39;t make assumptions, he hasn&#39;t represented either since writting the book. He will make Wales fall apart.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I say you&#39;re jealous because Bristol&#39;s centres lack star quality. The petty nature of your insults about him only confirms my perception.[/b]

Um, Lima is not a star right? Pfft, a legend in Samoa and the game, four WCs FFS. Cox is playing amazing at the moment for us at the moment, and I&#39;m perfectly happy with where we are in the table, well above the expections.

Petty insults? Your the one who keeps involving Bristol in this conversation. I originally said he would get owned where he plays, mainly because it is the first time. 9 out of 10 will want to smack Henson for his actions. He isn&#39;t playing now so it deosn&#39;t matter now really does it? Petty is involving my team every post. [/b][/quote]
So you tell me not to make predictions and then predict that Wales &#39;will fall apart&#39;, bit of pot calling the aslyum seeker black there.

Lima doesn&#39;t have as much going for him, as many people as Henson willing to make him a star, Lima&#39;s more a legend of the game whereas Henson is a modern star, blame for that who you will.

Involving your team isn&#39;t petty because it began with you saying various bristol players (who I have deduced are not as good as Henson) will own him. I dopn&#39;t really know your threequarters, maybe 9 out of 10 Hensons will want to smack them.

So I guess we won&#39;t find out if Henson will get owned by your Tesco Value threequarters until tomorrow, if he even plays. I wish I could say I&#39;m waiting with baited breath.

harrison2468
03-12-05, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Dec 3 2005, 01:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Dec 3 2005, 01:23 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Dec 3 2005, 12:52 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
Twice now you&#39;ve said Smith is better than Henson, without bothering to tell us why.

Um, look back a page.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
Once again I say the whole &#39;slagging off teamates&#39; thing was blown out of proportion, it hasn&#39;t affected Wales or the Ospereys.[/b]

Do you have a crystal ball? Don&#39;t make assumptions, he hasn&#39;t represented either since writting the book. He will make Wales fall apart.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I say you&#39;re jealous because Bristol&#39;s centres lack star quality. The petty nature of your insults about him only confirms my perception.[/b]

Um, Lima is not a star right? Pfft, a legend in Samoa and the game, four WCs FFS. Cox is playing amazing at the moment for us at the moment, and I&#39;m perfectly happy with where we are in the table, well above the expections.

Petty insults? Your the one who keeps involving Bristol in this conversation. I originally said he would get owned where he plays, mainly because it is the first time. 9 out of 10 will want to smack Henson for his actions. He isn&#39;t playing now so it deosn&#39;t matter now really does it? Petty is involving my team every post. [/b]
So you tell me not to make predictions and then predict that Wales &#39;will fall apart&#39;, bit of pot calling the aslyum seeker black there.

Lima doesn&#39;t have as much going for him, as many people as Henson willing to make him a star, Lima&#39;s more a legend of the game whereas Henson is a modern star, blame for that who you will.

Involving your team isn&#39;t petty because it began with you saying various bristol players (who I have deduced are not as good as Henson) will own him. I dopn&#39;t really know your threequarters, maybe 9 out of 10 Hensons will want to smack them.

So I guess we won&#39;t find out if Henson will get owned by your Tesco Value threequarters until tomorrow, if he even plays. I wish I could say I&#39;m waiting with baited breath. [/b][/quote]
My prediction will be correct, you made a statement that is false, since he hasn&#39;t played yet. Are you telling me that what he said about Charvis won&#39;t disrupt morale in the Wales team?

Lima is still a class act. When was the last time you saw him play?

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who I have deduced are not as good as Henson[/b]

Yep, through ignorance and saying so. Well done.

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Tesco Value threequarters[/b]

Petty insults! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Like I said, I&#39;m happy with the way my team is going. We are making unfair comparisions here, since you have provinces in Ireland, we have clubs across the pond mate. Wouldn&#39;t it be better to compare with Blackrock College or Young Munster?
Nothing wrong with Tescos either.

SaintsFan_Webby
03-12-05, 04:36 PM
If Chris White is the best ref in England, I&#39;d hate to see the worst.

Apparently your allowed to kill the ball, handle it on the floor, hold on when isolated, not throw the ball into lineouts straight, stand still in a maul for 30 seconds.

Apparently this is all ok, as long as your playing for Leicester.

He also missed all the off the ball stuff for both sides. Clearly having yor eyes open at all times isn&#39;t in the job description.

Usually I&#39;m at the match shouting at the ref, when obviously I only get one look at any incident from some distance.

Today I was actually screaming at my television as White somehow managed to miss the Leicester player reaching into the middle of the ruck and picking the ball up.

Tigers scored some good tries, take nothing away from them there, but they certainly duped Mr White today.

Bring back Spreadbury. He&#39;s an idiot, but at least he&#39;s consistent.

harrison2468
03-12-05, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@Dec 3 2005, 04:36 PM
If Chris White is the best ref in England, I&#39;d hate to see the worst.

Apparently your allowed to kill the ball, handle it on the floor, hold on when isolated, not throw the ball into lineouts straight, stand still in a maul for 30 seconds.

Apparently this is all ok, as long as your playing for Leicester.

He also missed all the off the ball stuff for both sides. Clearly having yor eyes open at all times isn&#39;t in the job description.

Usually I&#39;m at the match shouting at the ref, when obviously I only get one look at any incident from some distance.

Today I was actually screaming at my television as White somehow managed to miss the Leicester player reaching into the middle of the ruck and picking the ball up.

Tigers scored some good tries, take nothing away from them there, but they certainly duped Mr White today.

Bring back Spreadbury. He&#39;s an idiot, but at least he&#39;s consistent.
Nah, don&#39;t agree. Tigers were the better team by a country mile today in the second half, if a little bit boring at times.

White missed things for both sides, don&#39;t think he favoured Leicester at all. Both teams were handling, and neither were really being penalised. Holding on was frequently penalised as well.

Spencer is not a Winter boy is he. Amazing at times, dreadful in others.

Boy
03-12-05, 04:52 PM
Spencer had a very, very average game, which was pretty much summed up when he tried to kick the ball dead to end the first half and missed. Lamont looked good though. He&#39;s really coming into his own. Just a shame that the only real time he got the ball was when Leicester kicked it to him.

I just wonder how, when Bath pick and drive for 15/20 phases, it&#39;s called unimaginative and boring, but when Leicester do it it&#39;s &#39;great play.&#39;

Didn&#39;t really think White did that much wrong, apart from his choice of shirt (how did they not think that gold with black would clash with gold with black and green?). It was a very niggly game, especially in the scrum, but that was mainly because Budgen just refused to bind unless White was stood right next to him.

SaintsFan_Webby
03-12-05, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 3 2005, 05:49 PM
White missed things for both sides, don&#39;t think he favoured Leicester at all. Both teams were handling, and neither were really being penalised. Holding on was frequently penalised as well.
I&#39;m not going to deny he missed things on both sides, Davies should have had a penalty against him for the check on Murphy for a start.

You say handling on the ground and holding on were both picked up. True. He picked it up every time Northampton did it, and once when no one touched it and it came out perfectly cleanly.

Lecester got pinged twice for handling, and once for holding on. In the entire game! There is no way you can tell me they weren&#39;t doing it the entire game.

Two of the tries were gifts, and we have no one but ourselves to blame.

However, White was so inconsistent it hurt.

Luckily I recorded the game, and intend to watch it again once I&#39;ve calmed down. I might even resort to making notes on exactly how many things he did wrong, and report back.

The standard of refereeing in the GP is appalling, and I don&#39;t mean anything about it being against my team. For a professional sport, it&#39;s generally awful.

Boy
03-12-05, 07:26 PM
Bath through to the semis after beating Glaws 21-12 thanks to neatly taken tries from Barkley and Joe Maddock. Second half fizzled out a bit after Barkley went off. When he was on, the backline were taking the ball flat and at pace, but then Malone reverted to type.

Draw for the semis is on Monday morning, with Wasps favourites to join the Scarlets, Tiggers and Bath. Could be an interesting day at the Millenium Stadium on 3rd March (as long as the pitch holds out).

harrison2468
03-12-05, 07:51 PM
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Lecester got pinged twice for handling, and once for holding on. In the entire game! There is no way you can tell me they weren&#39;t doing it the entire game.[/b]

Oh God no! Both teams would have been cheating, it is just who does it better.

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Luckily I recorded the game, and intend to watch it again once I&#39;ve calmed down. I might even resort to making notes on exactly how many things he did wrong, and report back.[/b]

That would be good actually, I was just watching it casually. Watching a game through twice also gives you a much better view I find of how things pan out.

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The standard of refereeing in the GP is appalling, and I don&#39;t mean anything about it being against my team. For a professional sport, it&#39;s generally awful.[/b]

Definitely. It seems a ref has a good game every 1 of 6 or 7 games. What can be done is what I want to know.

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Bath through to the semis after beating Glaws 21-12 thanks to neatly taken tries from Barkley and Joe Maddock. Second half fizzled out a bit after Barkley went off. When he was on, the backline were taking the ball flat and at pace, but then Malone reverted to type.[/b]

Gloucester&#39;s Bath hoodoo continues then...

Saint N Sinner
03-12-05, 08:05 PM
Some good phases from bith sides, must say that White did favour Leicester...not as badly as Stuart Barnse mind you, but enough.

We played well at times, Sharky strung some good phases together, and created some nice chances..shame it had to be Leicester taking the points.

At least it gives us more concentration on the ECC and the GP.

el_tk
03-12-05, 08:53 PM
Once again I say the whole &#39;slagging off teamates&#39; thing was blown out of proportion, it hasn&#39;t affected Wales or the Ospereys.

Do you have a crystal ball? Don&#39;t make assumptions, he hasn&#39;t represented either since writting the book. He will make Wales fall apart.


I say you&#39;re jealous because Bristol&#39;s centres lack star quality. The petty nature of your insults about him only confirms my perception.

Um, Lima is not a star right? Pfft, a legend in Samoa and the game, four WCs FFS. Cox is playing amazing at the moment for us at the moment, and I&#39;m perfectly happy with where we are in the table, well above the expections.

Petty insults? Your the one who keeps involving Bristol in this conversation. I originally said he would get owned where he plays, mainly because it is the first time. 9 out of 10 will want to smack Henson for his actions. He isn&#39;t playing now so it deosn&#39;t matter now really does it? Petty is involving my team every post.
So you tell me not to make predictions and then predict that Wales &#39;will fall apart&#39;, bit of pot calling the aslyum seeker black there.

Lima doesn&#39;t have as much going for him, as many people as Henson willing to make him a star, Lima&#39;s more a legend of the game whereas Henson is a modern star, blame for that who you will.

Involving your team isn&#39;t petty because it began with you saying various bristol players (who I have deduced are not as good as Henson) will own him. I dopn&#39;t really know your threequarters, maybe 9 out of 10 Hensons will want to smack them.

So I guess we won&#39;t find out if Henson will get owned by your Tesco Value threequarters until tomorrow, if he even plays. I wish I could say I&#39;m waiting with baited breath. [/QUOTE]
My prediction will be correct, you made a statement that is false, since he hasn&#39;t played yet. Are you telling me that what he said about Charvis won&#39;t disrupt morale in the Wales team?

Lima is still a class act. When was the last time you saw him play?


who I have deduced are not as good as Henson

Yep, through ignorance and saying so. Well done.


Tesco Value threequarters

Petty insults! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif Like I said, I&#39;m happy with the way my team is going. We are making unfair comparisions here, since you have provinces in Ireland, we have clubs across the pond mate. Wouldn&#39;t it be better to compare with Blackrock College or Young Munster?
Nothing wrong with Tescos either. [/quote]
Wales have played, they had this thing called the autumn internationals?

You saying he will make Wales fall apart is a much worse assumption than mine, they must really have been harsh words for a grand-slam winning team to be destroyed by them.

Lima? Never seen him play live? So what, I never said he was bad, just not the same kind of star as Henson, once again you can&#39;t make an exact comparison because they&#39;re different kinds of players.

Their is a difference between our clubs, provinces, and your clubs. Our clubs are semi-pro or amateur, there&#39;s a tiered system between clubs, provinces, and the national side.

Nothing wrong with Tescos. I said Tesco Value products, which are inferior goods i.e. ones which are purchased less as real income rises, other things remaining the same. I am comparing your centres to inferior goods, in rugby terms

This is in contrast to BOD, D&#39;Arce, Henson, Umaga, even Smith, these players would be; firstly: normal goods i.e. more is purchased as real income rises and secondly: Luxury goods.

It&#39;s fair to say that if Bristol had the fianance and other factors available they would have attempted to sign BOD, Smith or any of the others ahead of Cox and the like.

harrison2468
03-12-05, 09:52 PM
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Wales have played, they had this thing called the autumn internationals?

You saying he will make Wales fall apart is a much worse assumption than mine, they must really have been harsh words for a grand-slam winning team to be destroyed by them[/b]

Yeah, they had this guy called Henson at 12 during the 4 week-ends didn&#39;t they.
Just imagine when Henson trains with them again, and they have a run through match. Henson has slagged off Charvis, and he runs into him. You think Charvis will back down. He will tackle him as hard as he can. Henson won&#39;t like this. Friction. Team breaks down.

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Lima? Never seen him play live? So what, I never said he was bad, just not the same kind of star as Henson, once again you can&#39;t make an exact comparison because they&#39;re different kinds of players.[/b]

You said he was past it. I meant when was the last time you watched him in any form. He has been solid so far this season. Also, I wasn&#39;t making comparisions but just said he hardly was crap or not a star as you suggested. He is a rugby start, where as Henson is a commercial star.

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Nothing wrong with Tescos. I said Tesco Value products, which are inferior goods i.e. ones which are purchased less as real income rises, other things remaining the same. I am comparing your centres to inferior goods, in rugby terms

This is in contrast to BOD, D&#39;Arce, Henson, Umaga, even Smith, these players would be; firstly: normal goods i.e. more is purchased as real income rises and secondly: Luxury goods.

It&#39;s fair to say that if Bristol had the fianance and other factors available they would have attempted to sign BOD, Smith or any of the others ahead of Cox and the like[/b]

You talk sense here, and are subtly praising Bristol. Bristol have done very well within their finance structure of not going crazy on spending on one player with high wages - your BODs and Hensons. Lima is our centre, and as I say again, a legend. Denney is a centre, and he has one more Heinenken Cup than BOD and Henson. Cox has been a stand-out player for us, and I would back him to play for Scotland if he keeps up his form. You can have your opinions about our centres, I will take Premiership survival thank you. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

el_tk
03-12-05, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 3 2005, 10:52 PM
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Wales have played, they had this thing called the autumn internationals?

You saying he will make Wales fall apart is a much worse assumption than mine, they must really have been harsh words for a grand-slam winning team to be destroyed by them

Yeah, they had this guy called Henson at 12 during the 4 week-ends didn&#39;t they.
Just imagine when Henson trains with them again, and they have a run through match. Henson has slagged off Charvis, and he runs into him. You think Charvis will back down. He will tackle him as hard as he can. Henson won&#39;t like this. Friction. Team breaks down.

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Lima? Never seen him play live? So what, I never said he was bad, just not the same kind of star as Henson, once again you can&#39;t make an exact comparison because they&#39;re different kinds of players.[/b]

You said he was past it. I meant when was the last time you watched him in any form. He has been solid so far this season. Also, I wasn&#39;t making comparisions but just said he hardly was crap or not a star as you suggested. He is a rugby start, where as Henson is a commercial star.

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Nothing wrong with Tescos. I said Tesco Value products, which are inferior goods i.e. ones which are purchased less as real income rises, other things remaining the same. I am comparing your centres to inferior goods, in rugby terms

This is in contrast to BOD, D&#39;Arce, Henson, Umaga, even Smith, these players would be; firstly: normal goods i.e. more is purchased as real income rises and secondly: Luxury goods.

It&#39;s fair to say that if Bristol had the fianance and other factors available they would have attempted to sign BOD, Smith or any of the others ahead of Cox and the like[/b]

You talk sense here, and are subtly praising Bristol. Bristol have done very well within their finance structure of not going crazy on spending on one player with high wages - your BODs and Hensons. Lima is our centre, and as I say again, a legend. Denney is a centre, and he has one more Heinenken Cup than BOD and Henson. Cox has been a stand-out player for us, and I would back him to play for Scotland if he keeps up his form. You can have your opinions about our centres, I will take Premiership survival thank you. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif [/b][/quote]
Here&#39;s the thing, you don&#39;t know Henson or Charvis, they could be best friends, worst enemies, members of the KKK, closet Bristol supporters etc.

You don&#39;t know them therefore you don&#39;t know how they will react to any given situation, therefore your prediction is invalid.

I never said Lima was past it.

I was merely saying he was a different kind of star, a legend of the game if you will.

I am not subtly praising Bristol, I am pointing out that, due to a set of circumstances, Bristol lack world class centres, and by extension, if a club came into huge amounts of money and were looking to sign centres they would, being rational consumers (of sorts) look to to BODs, Hensons, Smiths of this world before the Coxs and whatnot.

Saying so and so has a Heineken Cup is irrelevant as they may have done nothing to get it or deserve it- I point to Liverpool, notably Harry Kewell and Djimi Traore.

Wow, you think one of your centres could play for Scotland, he must be savage if he&#39;s not in the team now!

harrison2468
04-12-05, 10:11 AM
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Here&#39;s the thing, you don&#39;t know Henson or Charvis, they could be best friends, worst enemies, members of the KKK, closet Bristol supporters etc.

You don&#39;t know them therefore you don&#39;t know how they will react to any given situation, therefore your prediction is invalid.[/b]

I highly doubt someone would slag off their best friend, in a book for the public.

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I am not subtly praising Bristol, I am pointing out that, due to a set of circumstances, Bristol lack world class centres, and by extension, if a club came into huge amounts of money and were looking to sign centres they would, being rational consumers (of sorts) look to to BODs, Hensons, Smiths of this world before the Coxs and whatnot.[/b]

How many world-class centres in the world from the NH? BOD, Jauzion... There aren&#39;t that many tbh, so not having a world-class centre hardly becomes that much of a disappointment. Not all clubs think like that, some look for players who suit their gameplan, recruitment policy etc.

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Saying so and so has a Heineken Cup is irrelevant as they may have done nothing to get it or deserve it- I point to Liverpool, notably Harry Kewell and Djimi Traore.

Wow, you think one of your centres could play for Scotland, he must be savage if he&#39;s not in the team now![/b]

A HC medal at least promotes someone from Value goods to a higher brand surely! He played in games, so he derserved it.

As for insulting Scotland, Scotland>Ireland in Autumm and likely to be this 6N. It doesn&#39;t make you a bad player not getting picked for your national side, an assumption you have made earlier that only international players have quality.

el_tk
04-12-05, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 4 2005, 11:11 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
Here&#39;s the thing, you don&#39;t know Henson or Charvis, they could be best friends, worst enemies, members of the KKK, closet Bristol supporters etc.

You don&#39;t know them therefore you don&#39;t know how they will react to any given situation, therefore your prediction is invalid.

I highly doubt someone would slag off their best friend, in a book for the public.

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I am not subtly praising Bristol, I am pointing out that, due to a set of circumstances, Bristol lack world class centres, and by extension, if a club came into huge amounts of money and were looking to sign centres they would, being rational consumers (of sorts) look to to BODs, Hensons, Smiths of this world before the Coxs and whatnot.[/b]

How many world-class centres in the world from the NH? BOD, Jauzion... There aren&#39;t that many tbh, so not having a world-class centre hardly becomes that much of a disappointment. Not all clubs think like that, some look for players who suit their gameplan, recruitment policy etc.

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Saying so and so has a Heineken Cup is irrelevant as they may have done nothing to get it or deserve it- I point to Liverpool, notably Harry Kewell and Djimi Traore.

Wow, you think one of your centres could play for Scotland, he must be savage if he&#39;s not in the team now![/b]

A HC medal at least promotes someone from Value goods to a higher brand surely! He played in games, so he derserved it.

As for insulting Scotland, Scotland>Ireland in Autumm and likely to be this 6N. It doesn&#39;t make you a bad player not getting picked for your national side, an assumption you have made earlier that only international players have quality. [/b][/quote]
1) You never know, as I said you don&#39;t know these people and how they react to given situatuations.

2) There is middle ground between being best friends and deadly enemies.

World class centres from NH? BOD, Jauzion, Henson, Traille, D&#39;Arcy

You&#39;re missing my point here, I&#39;m saying that if money etc. was no object to a club they would look to sign one of the above centres before Cox et al.

Inferior goods cannot be &#39;promoted&#39; to normal goods, it makes no sense.

You claim that there aren&#39;t that many NH world class centres, I can&#39;t think of any Scottish ones certainly. I&#39;m just saying if this Cox guy was half-decent as you suggest he is he would have at least been involved in an extended Scotland squad at some stage.

harrison2468
04-12-05, 12:31 PM
Henson and D&#39;Arcy certainly haven&#39;t done enough to be called world-class yet.

Scotland don&#39;t select many foreign players, only their really good ones. Cox was playing ND1 last year, so very unlikely to get a look in then. Now though he is doing well in the Premiership, so maybe, with word of mouth, he might get a look in with Scotland. He has international caps at u-21 with England as well I think.

I&#39;m not saying he is world-class, or anything like that, but he is performing well. I can say that, you can&#39;t really as you never have seen him play.

I didn&#39;t say that Charvis and Henson were deadly enimies, but it is quite obvious they don&#39;t share a room in the Wales camp. I wouldn&#39;t think that if Henson was getting decked on the floor in a match, like O&#39;Gara, that Charvis would step in with any real intent, like Moody.

As I said before, you can&#39;t really make assumptions about Bristol&#39;s centres being inferior, just because you haven&#39;t heard of them. There are plaenty of solid performers who could cut it at a higher level that you never would of heard of over there, and vice versa, but it doesn&#39;t make them crap.

loratadine
04-12-05, 06:46 PM
well a 2nd string ospreys side owned a second string bristol team

a very good game by all accounts

harrison2468
04-12-05, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 4 2005, 06:46 PM
well a 2nd string ospreys side owned a second string bristol team

a very good game by all accounts
Agreed, very good game. Well done Ospreys. Quite close until the end, where you guys took it.

No Henson though.

Saint N Sinner
04-12-05, 08:42 PM
What was the final score?

loratadine
04-12-05, 11:08 PM
43 - 28

robbinho
05-12-05, 10:42 AM
It&#39;s Wasps v Leicester and Bath v Scarlets in the semis.

loratadine
05-12-05, 11:23 AM
ahhhh - i think itll be a scarlets vs tigers final

Boy
05-12-05, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 5 2005, 11:23 PM
ahhhh - i think itll be a scarlets vs tigers final
Who&#39;da thunk it?

Bath will be a totally different prospect come March. Ashton will have had two months to get the backs properly moving, and they already showed positive signs in the first half of the Gloucester game.

Should be a good day.

loratadine
05-12-05, 12:36 PM
yes it should - for the scarlets that is - are you and robbinho coming down to the stadium to watch it.

robbinho
05-12-05, 01:01 PM
I doubt I&#39;ll be there, (although the prospect of bitch slapping you in person is appealing) as I&#39;ve got a league match that day, and it&#39;s a bit of a drive from Newcastle.

Wonder whether it was engineered to give Scarlets a semi with the &#39;lesser&#39; English team in order to try to produce an English-Welsh final?

Although, as Boy says, Bath will be a different prospect when Ashton returns, and even still, I&#39;d fancy our pack to brutalize Llanelli&#39;s anyway.

loratadine
05-12-05, 03:46 PM
itll be a great game

but well have too much flair for your pack.

SaintsFan_Webby
05-12-05, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Dec 5 2005, 04:46 PM
but well have too much flair for your pack.
I thought you were an Ospreys supporter? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif


Flair is all very well, but it means nothing if a team sticks it up their jumper for 80 minutes and doesn&#39;t give you a sniff of posession. As Northampton&#39;s backs have found out this season...

loratadine
05-12-05, 06:25 PM
yeah i am an ospreys fan, but i like all the welsh regions. there all there for the greater good - which is wales

el_tk
05-12-05, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 4 2005, 01:31 PM
Henson and D&#39;Arcy certainly haven&#39;t done enough to be called world-class yet.

Scotland don&#39;t select many foreign players, only their really good ones. Cox was playing ND1 last year, so very unlikely to get a look in then. Now though he is doing well in the Premiership, so maybe, with word of mouth, he might get a look in with Scotland. He has international caps at u-21 with England as well I think.

I&#39;m not saying he is world-class, or anything like that, but he is performing well. I can say that, you can&#39;t really as you never have seen him play.

I didn&#39;t say that Charvis and Henson were deadly enimies, but it is quite obvious they don&#39;t share a room in the Wales camp. I wouldn&#39;t think that if Henson was getting decked on the floor in a match, like O&#39;Gara, that Charvis would step in with any real intent, like Moody.

As I said before, you can&#39;t really make assumptions about Bristol&#39;s centres being inferior, just because you haven&#39;t heard of them. There are plaenty of solid performers who could cut it at a higher level that you never would of heard of over there, and vice versa, but it doesn&#39;t make them crap.
You have no idea if Henson and Charvis share a room or not, that statement is just so rampantly idiotic.

You don&#39;t know if Charvis would step in with intent or not. I know certrtainly even if I was playing with someone I severely disliked and the got hopped on I&#39;d get in and help them cos thy&#39;re on my team, regardless.

harrison2468
05-12-05, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Dec 5 2005, 08:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Dec 5 2005, 08:38 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Dec 4 2005, 01:31 PM
Henson and D&#39;Arcy certainly haven&#39;t done enough to be called world-class yet.*

Scotland don&#39;t select many foreign players, only their really good ones.* Cox was playing ND1 last year, so very unlikely to get a look in then.* Now though he is doing well in the Premiership, so maybe, with word of mouth, he might get a look in with Scotland.* He has international caps at u-21 with England as well I think.

I&#39;m not saying he is world-class, or anything like that, but he is performing well.* I can say that, you can&#39;t really as you never have seen him play.*

I didn&#39;t say that Charvis and Henson were deadly enimies, but it is quite obvious they don&#39;t share a room in the Wales camp.* I wouldn&#39;t think that if Henson was getting decked on the floor in a match, like O&#39;Gara, that Charvis would step in with any real intent, like Moody.

As I said before, you can&#39;t really make assumptions about Bristol&#39;s centres being inferior, just because you haven&#39;t heard of them.* There are plaenty of solid performers who could cut it at a higher level that you never would of heard of over there, and vice versa, but it doesn&#39;t make them crap.
You have no idea if Henson and Charvis share a room or not, that statement is just so rampantly idiotic.

You don&#39;t know if Charvis would step in with intent or not. I know certrtainly even if I was playing with someone I severely disliked and the got hopped on I&#39;d get in and help them cos thy&#39;re on my team, regardless. [/b]
Drying up a bit?

No, I don&#39;t know, but hence the words &#39;think&#39; and yes, the room statement is an assumption, but one based on fact, that he slagged him off in the book. I don&#39;t know what goes on, but guess what, you don&#39;t either. My assumption is based on fact, where as you are just saying, &#39;you definitely don&#39;t know it, so the statements you make are rampantly idiotic.&#39; I don&#39;t know for certain, granted, but I can make a guess that is well founded to make it seem possible. How about you give some facts that make my statement seem more unlikely than it does, rather than weakly dismissing it?

Stopped targeting players who you have never laid eyes on now then!

Saint N Sinner
05-12-05, 10:10 PM
Did you know:

"Northampton and Leicester teamed up to be the only English teams to beat the Springboks tour in 1905..." Was it ?

Thats what I heard on the BBC commentary.

loratadine
05-12-05, 10:41 PM
1905 - are you sure?

Boy
06-12-05, 04:02 PM
Thought they said 1935 and it was the All Blacks. Might be wrong. Wasn&#39;t really paying much attention.

The English sides could be without their England players, as the games are in a Six Nations rest period and they might not be released. Bath have said that, as far as they&#39;re concerned, the players are available for selection.

harrison2468
06-12-05, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Boy@Dec 6 2005, 04:02 PM
The English sides could be without their England players, as the games are in a Six Nations rest period and they might not be released. Bath have said that, as far as they&#39;re concerned, the players are available for selection.
Round of appaluse for organisers. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

In semis, rugby fans want top quality players on show, and no way I can see any player not wanting to play. I highly doubt the players won&#39;t play, but how dumb can you get!

SaintsFan_Webby
06-12-05, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 6 2005, 06:27 PM
how dumb can you get!
RFU.

Their stupidity knows no bounds.

Saint N Sinner
06-12-05, 08:43 PM
Now, now...your giving the RFU, WAY too much credit... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

el_tk
06-12-05, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 5 2005, 10:18 PM
Drying up a bit?

No, I don&#39;t know, but hence the words &#39;think&#39; and yes, the room statement is an assumption, but one based on fact, that he slagged him off in the book. I don&#39;t know what goes on, but guess what, you don&#39;t either. My assumption is based on fact, where as you are just saying, &#39;you definitely don&#39;t know it, so the statements you make are rampantly idiotic.&#39; I don&#39;t know for certain, granted, but I can make a guess that is well founded to make it seem possible. How about you give some facts that make my statement seem more unlikely than it does, rather than weakly dismissing it?

Stopped targeting players who you have never laid eyes on now then!


Your assumption is based on one fact, meaning any conclusions drawn are tenous at best, have you read the book?

Your guess is not well founded, you know one piece of information and have constructed a flawed argument around it. Your guess is no more likely than mine, in fact yours is less likely to happen as it promotes specific instances (Charvis not helping Henson in a fight) whereas mine is more generalised.

You cannot honestly state beyond all reasonable doubt that the relationship Henson and Charvis had has been badly damaged as you lack sufficent information. Maybe you should work for some kind of scandal rag, your style of writing and argument would suit adults who read at the level of 7-year olds.

My facts are as follows: Wales have played since the publication of the book, includind Charvis (Man of the Match against Australia), without any obvious adverse effects as have the Ospereys.

Really couldn&#39;t be arsed explaining my economics arguement again (you simply don&#39;t understand it). I&#39;ve been sick for the last 4 days and I don&#39;t want to hear anymore of your &#39;this centre&#39;s no-one&#39;s ever heard of, he&#39;s savage, he&#39;s gonna play for Scotland&#39;

harrison2468
06-12-05, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Dec 6 2005, 08:51 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Dec 6 2005, 08:51 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Dec 5 2005, 10:18 PM
Drying up a bit?

No, I don&#39;t know, but hence the words &#39;think&#39; and yes, the room statement is an assumption, but one based on fact, that he slagged him off in the book.* I don&#39;t know what goes on, but guess what, you don&#39;t either.* My assumption is based on fact, where as you are just saying, &#39;you definitely don&#39;t know it, so the statements you make are rampantly idiotic.&#39;* I don&#39;t know for certain, granted, but I can make a guess that is well founded to make it seem possible.* How about you give some facts that make my statement seem more unlikely than it does, rather than weakly dismissing it?*

Stopped targeting players who you have never laid eyes on now then!


Your assumption is based on one fact, meaning any conclusions drawn are tenous at best, have you read the book?

Your guess is not well founded, you know one piece of information and have constructed a flawed argument around it. Your guess is no more likely than mine, in fact yours is less likely to happen as it promotes specific instances (Charvis not helping Henson in a fight) whereas mine is more generalised.

You cannot honestly state beyond all reasonable doubt that the relationship Henson and Charvis had has been badly damaged as you lack sufficent information. Maybe you should work for some kind of scandal rag, your style of writing and argument would suit adults who read at the level of 7-year olds.

My facts are as follows: Wales have played since the publication of the book, includind Charvis (Man of the Match against Australia), without any obvious adverse effects as have the Ospereys.

Really couldn&#39;t be arsed explaining my economics arguement again (you simply don&#39;t understand it). I&#39;ve been sick for the last 4 days and I don&#39;t want to hear anymore of your &#39;this centre&#39;s no-one&#39;s ever heard of, he&#39;s savage, he&#39;s gonna play for Scotland&#39; [/b]
Dear oh dear, not getting very far are we.

&#39;Your assumption is based on one fact, meaning any conclusions drawn are tenous at best, have you read the book?&#39;

Have you read the book? If so, tell me how bad it is. If not, you are making a guess it isn&#39;t. I don&#39;t know, but I have heard from people who have read the book, and they said it slagged Charvis off.

&#39;Your guess is not well founded, you know one piece of information and have constructed a flawed argument around it. Your guess is no more likely than mine, in fact yours is less likely to happen as it promotes specific instances (Charvis not helping Henson in a fight) whereas mine is more generalised&#39;

My guess is at least founded on information, my assumption is that Henson and Charvis don&#39;t get on well. Why else would he slag him off? Answer me please. That specific instance is just a result of what I believe to be this friction between the two. What is your generalised guess by the way?

&#39;You cannot honestly state beyond all reasonable doubt that the relationship Henson and Charvis had has been badly damaged as you lack sufficent information. Maybe you should work for some kind of scandal rag, your style of writing and argument would suit adults who read at the level of 7-year olds.

My facts are as follows: Wales have played since the publication of the book, includind Charvis (Man of the Match against Australia), without any obvious adverse effects as have the Ospereys.&#39;

You obviously have the memory capacity of a 7-year old. You have very good facts there, but neither are really suifficent, as I have pointed out before, HENSON HASN&#39;T PLAYED SINCE THE BOOK. It is less likely that anything will happen if he isn&#39;t involved in the team. When Henson rejoins the squad, he may hurt team morale. Nothing that will be visable to us supporters, but it will affect the team.

&#39;Really couldn&#39;t be arsed explaining my economics arguement again (you simply don&#39;t understand it). I&#39;ve been sick for the last 4 days and I don&#39;t want to hear anymore of your &#39;this centre&#39;s no-one&#39;s ever heard of, he&#39;s savage, he&#39;s gonna play for Scotland&#39;&#39;

Look, I understood it completely, but you have nothing to base it on. You haven&#39;t seen this player, who is performing in the well in the GP. Get your head out your arse, you know nothing about him, and very little about the GP as a whole. Many people have heard of them, just not ignorant idiots like you who have to concentrate on the Celtic League instead. You have been sick, well boo-hoo, but that doesn&#39;t construct much to the arguement as I neither care, nor think that it really matters. Just weaseling out of the fact that you think because you haven&#39;t heard of him, he is crap. Lastily, don&#39;t comment on Scotland, as they have been far better than Ireland this year, so making the Scots out to be a crap team is a little bit foolish, especially with a 6N round the corner.

el_tk
06-12-05, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 6 2005, 10:08 PM
Have you read the book? If so, tell em how bad it is. If not, you are making a guess it isn&#39;t. I don&#39;t know, but I have heard from people who have read the book, and they said it slagged Charvis off.

&#39;Your guess is not well founded, you know one piece of information and have constructed a flawed argument around it. Your guess is no more likely than mine, in fact yours is less likely to happen as it promotes specific instances (Charvis not helping Henson in a fight) whereas mine is more generalised&#39;

My guess is at least founded on information, my assumption is that Henson and Charvis don&#39;t get on well. Why else would he slag him off? Answer me please. That specific instance is just a result of what I believ to be this friction between the two. What is your generalised guess by the way.

&#39;You cannot honestly state beyond all reasonable doubt that the relationship Henson and Charvis had has been badly damaged as you lack sufficent information. Maybe you should work for some kind of scandal rag, your style of writing and argument would suit adults who read at the level of 7-year olds.

My facts are as follows: Wales have played since the publication of the book, includind Charvis (Man of the Match against Australia), without any obvious adverse effects as have the Ospereys.&#39;

You obviously have the memory capacity of a 7-year old. You have very good facts there, but neither are really suifficent, as I have pointed out before, HENSON HASN&#39;T PLAYED SINCE THE BOOK. It is less likely that anything will happen if he isn&#39;t involved in the team. When Henson rejoins the squad, he may hurt team morale. Nothing that will be visable to us supporters, but it will affect the team.

&#39;Really couldn&#39;t be arsed explaining my economics arguement again (you simply don&#39;t understand it). I&#39;ve been sick for the last 4 days and I don&#39;t want to hear anymore of your &#39;this centre&#39;s no-one&#39;s ever heard of, he&#39;s savage, he&#39;s gonna play for Scotland&#39;&#39;

Look, I understood it completely, but you have nothing to base it on. You haven&#39;t seen this player, who is performing in the well in the GP. Get your head out your arse, you know nothing about him, and very little about the GP as a whole. Many people have heard of them, just not ignorant idiots like you who have to concentrate on the Celtic League instead. You have been sick, well boo-hoo, but that doesn&#39;t construct much to the arguement as I neither care, nor think that it really matters. Just weaseling out of the fact that you think because you haven&#39;t heard of him, he is crap. Lastily, don&#39;t comment on Scotland, as they have been far better than Ireland this year, so making the Scots out to be a crap team is a little bit foolish, especially with a 6N round the corner.
I haven&#39;t read the book, hence I don&#39;t make claims about my content. Your &#39;I&#39;ve heard from people&#39; point is like the infamous Fox News line "Some people say..." which is when they start to influence people&#39;s opinions. I&#39;ve heard it was blown out of proportion but I guess neither of us can really say as we haven&#39;t read the book.

You clearly don&#39;t understand my economics arguement, based on economics as a social science. If you understood economics you would have understood my inferior goods versus normal goods and not challenged it. It is a fundemental pillar of economics. This arguement isn&#39;t based on how good Cox actually is, rather how good he is percieved to be relative to BOD or Henson.

FYI, I hate the Celtic League. It doesn&#39;t involve real Irish teams, ever.

I am merely saying, if he is as good as you say he is, he would have come to my attention or the attention of the Scottish selectors.

I didn&#39;t make Scotland out to be a crap team, I said their centres lacked the class of Henson or BOD.

Consider the book, possibly not even written by Henson (ghostwritten). Maybe Henson is a complete idiot and just made up (or had made up for him) some sensationalist dross to sell the book.

My point about Wales surviving is because you were acting the Greek Oracle at Delphi and saying something along the lines of "he will make Wales fall apart". they haven&#39;t fallen apart, Henson has been in contact with them and clarified what he was saying. If it was as disatrous as you say its effect would have been clear to see.

harrison2468
06-12-05, 09:38 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I am merely saying, if he is as good as you say he is, he would have come to my attention or the attention of the Scottish selectors.[/b]

Maybe, but I did say that players playing in Scotland aren&#39;t well tracked, except for ones known after leaving as a capped player. Also, the fact he was playing ND1 rugby last year doesn&#39;t help. However, just because he hasn&#39;t been called up doesn&#39;t mean he isn&#39;t good enough. You should know that, as should I. Look at our national squads - England and Ireland haven&#39;t been calling up the best talent all the time. I for instance, would not of had a clue who your new 8 is before this season. Me calling him inferior to Martin Corry because I have never heard of him would be wrong. In fact, he is a very good player.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
I haven&#39;t read the book, hence I don&#39;t make claims about my content. Your &#39;I&#39;ve heard from people&#39; point is like the infamous Fox News line "Some people say..." which is when they start to influence people&#39;s opinions. I&#39;ve heard it was blown out of proportion but I guess neither of us can really say as we haven&#39;t read the book.[/b]

Ok, agreed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
My point about Wales surviving is because you were acting the Greek Oracle at Delphi and saying something along the lines of "he will make Wales fall apart". they haven&#39;t fallen apart, Henson has been in contact with them and clarified what he was saying. If it was as disatrous as you say its effect would have been clear to see.[/b]

I can&#39;t argue it any further, we will just have to wait and see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
You clearly don&#39;t understand my economics arguement, based on economics as a social science. If you understood economics you would have understood my inferior goods versus normal goods and not challenged it. It is a fundemental pillar of economics. This arguement isn&#39;t based on how good Cox actually is, rather how good he is percieved to be relative to BOD or Henson.[/b]

I understand it. Inferior goods versus normal goods always, or mostly, have a higher price attached to them (in terms of rugby, contract). However, although this is fact, the quality of the goods in comparision can&#39;t be set in stone. This is becasue of opinion, since people have different opinions on what makes a good apple pie (or inside centre). Therefore, althoug most normal goods will be higher in quality than inferior in most people views, it is not clear-cut, and there are some exceptions where inferior goods are of a higher quality in the majority of minds, and also a lower price, although not in this case. So although Cox is a Tesco value good, he is only definitely cheaper than a Henson or BOD, and not definitley in quality.

It has been a good arguement with you el_tk, but I think it is coming to an end soon.

el_tk
06-12-05, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 6 2005, 10:38 PM
Maybe, but I did say that players playing in Scotland aren&#39;t well tracked, except for ones known after leaving as a capped player.* Also, the fact he was playing ND1 rugby last year doesn&#39;t help.* However, just because he hasn&#39;t been called up doesn&#39;t mean he isn&#39;t good enough.* You should know that, as should I.* Look at our national squads - England and Ireland haven&#39;t been calling up the best talent all the time.* I for instance, would not of had a clue who your new 8 is before this season.* Me calling him inferior to Martin Corry because I have never heard of him would be wrong.* In fact, he is a very good player.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
You clearly don&#39;t understand my economics arguement, based on economics as a social science. If you understood economics you would have understood my inferior goods versus normal goods and not challenged it. It is a fundemental pillar of economics. This arguement isn&#39;t based on how good Cox actually is, rather how good he is percieved to be relative to BOD or Henson.

I understand it. Inferior goods versus normal goods always, or mostly, have a higher price attached to them (in terms of rugby, contract). However, although this is fact, the quality of the goods in comparision can&#39;t be set in stone. This is becasue of opinion, since people have different opinions on what makes a good apple pie (or inside centre). Therefore, althoug most normal goods will be higher in quality than inferior in most people views, it is not clear-cut, and there are some exceptions where inferior goods are of a higher quality in the majority of minds, and also a lower price, although not in this case. So although Cox is a Tesco value good, he is only definitely cheaper than a Henson or BOD, and not definitley in quality.

It has been a good arguement with you el_tk, but I think it is coming to an end soon. [/b][/quote]
I would be very suprised if the Scottish management were not aware of Cox, purely because he is qualified and plays in the GP. Most international teams monitor huge amounts of players before picking a select few. They picked Hinshelwood when he was playing ND1, and Andy Craig.

When is an inferior good of higher quality? Seriously.

Although I am talking on a Macroeconomical (if that&#39;s a word) scale. You can&#39;t legislate for each individual&#39;s actions but you can predict with a large degree of accuracy how the majority will re-act (i.e. who they will choose out of Cox and BOD)

harrison2468
06-12-05, 09:53 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div>
When is an inferior good of higher quality? Seriously.

Although I am talking on a Macroeconomical (if that&#39;s a word) scale. You can&#39;t legislate for each individual&#39;s actions but you can predict with a large degree of accuracy how the majority will re-act (i.e. who they will choose out of Cox and BOD)[/b]

Well,m it depends on how you think of quality. I had a piece of Sainsbury&#39;s 22p chocolate bar today, and found it tasted better than a dearer piece of chocolate like Dairy Milk. This was because it tasted more milkly...

But because of this, I found it was a better quality than the Dairy Milk, although this was in my opinion. For very one with my opinion on this subject, I am sure there is around of hunded with a different view. Despite this, I still see the inferior good as a higher quality.

Yes, most will chose BOD. But some people prefer a more milky bar of chocolate, while some prefer a bigger bosher for a centre. This is where a consumer, i.e. a club, may choose Tindall over BOD, finance aside. Despite the difference in price, the club may consider Tindall higher quality than BOD because of the way he fits in with their game plan.

el_tk
06-12-05, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 6 2005, 10:53 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
When is an inferior good of higher quality? Seriously.

Although I am talking on a Macroeconomical (if that&#39;s a word) scale. You can&#39;t legislate for each individual&#39;s actions but you can predict with a large degree of accuracy how the majority will re-act (i.e. who they will choose out of Cox and BOD)

Well,m it depends on how you think of quality. I had a piece of Sainsbury&#39;s 22p chocolate bar today, and found it tasted better than a dearer piece of chocolate like Dairy Milk. This was because it tasted more milkly...

But because of this, I found it was a better quality than the Dairy Milk, although this was in my opinion. For very one with my opinion on this subject, I am sure there is around of hunded with a different view. Despite this, I still see the inferior good as a higher quality.

Yes, most will chose BOD. But some people prefer a more milky bar of chocolate, while some prefer a bigger bosher for a centre. This is where a consumer, i.e. a club, may choose Tindall over BOD, finance aside. Despite the difference in price, the club may consider Tindall higher quality than BOD because of the way he fits in with their game plan. [/b][/quote]
Hmm, don&#39;t think I&#39;ll be writing that in my Leaving Cert.

Anyone call it a day with the arguement? I don&#39;t see any point in continuing.

Saint N Sinner
06-12-05, 10:03 PM
Yesh.

Fair points all over the place and was an interesting debate but, if it wen&#39;t any further I think Jerry Springer might of had to get involved... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

harrison2468
06-12-05, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Dec 6 2005, 09:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Dec 6 2005, 09:58 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Dec 6 2005, 10:53 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE
When is an inferior good of higher quality? Seriously.

Although I am talking on a Macroeconomical (if that&#39;s a word) scale. You can&#39;t legislate for each individual&#39;s actions but you can predict with a large degree of accuracy how the majority will re-act (i.e. who they will choose out of Cox and BOD)

Well,m it depends on how you think of quality. I had a piece of Sainsbury&#39;s 22p chocolate bar today, and found it tasted better than a dearer piece of chocolate like Dairy Milk. This was because it tasted more milkly...

But because of this, I found it was a better quality than the Dairy Milk, although this was in my opinion. For very one with my opinion on this subject, I am sure there is around of hunded with a different view. Despite this, I still see the inferior good as a higher quality.

Yes, most will chose BOD. But some people prefer a more milky bar of chocolate, while some prefer a bigger bosher for a centre. This is where a consumer, i.e. a club, may choose Tindall over BOD, finance aside. Despite the difference in price, the club may consider Tindall higher quality than BOD because of the way he fits in with their game plan. [/b]
Hmm, don&#39;t think I&#39;ll be writing that in my Leaving Cert.

Anyone call it a day with the arguement? I don&#39;t see any point in continuing. [/b][/quote]
Do you do economics then? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Yeah, it was a good arguement while it lasted though, the best I have had on here.

And it all started because you ruined my attempt of fishing... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

el_tk
06-12-05, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by harrison2468@Dec 6 2005, 11:06 PM
Do you do economics then? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Yeah, it was a good arguement while it lasted though, the best I have had on here.

And it all started because you ruined my attempt of fishing... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Yeah, I started this year. Out of 80 people in my year over 60 are doing it.

Why did we even start, I can&#39;t really remember.

harrison2468
07-12-05, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by el_tk+Dec 6 2005, 10:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (el_tk @ Dec 6 2005, 10:10 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-harrison2468@Dec 6 2005, 11:06 PM

Do you do economics then? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

Yeah, it was a good arguement while it lasted though, the best I have had on here.

And it all started because you ruined my attempt of fishing... http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
Yeah, I started this year. Out of 80 people in my year over 60 are doing it.

Why did we even start, I can&#39;t really remember. [/b]
Look all the way back at page 1, and all will be revealed...