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187
07-12-05, 08:02 AM
well, i've played it for a whole afternoon now. after all the excitement, it's totally not what i expected. there are a few improvements but the gameplay feels funny. who else has played it? i find the defence is a little messy. who knows maybe i just haven't got the hang of it yet. or maybe i just suck at it!

Hypnotised
07-12-05, 08:16 AM
I also didn't expect the game to be like this actually. Hired it out, obviously I haven't got used to the game fully, but it just doesn't seem fun at all yet. Kind of feels slow and clunky to me, but it's still a decent game.

Paddy
07-12-05, 09:02 AM
yeh same, i expected the passing and running will be as smooth as rugby 2005, but their not http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

anyhow, im not saying this game is bad, the graphics...MAN THE GRAPHICS!!!!!....its awesome

sanzar
07-12-05, 09:06 AM
From what locks and other people have said the passing takes skill and practice to really take advantage of and the game in general is harder to make ground etc.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
07-12-05, 09:12 AM
MOTHER f*** THE GRAPHICS!!!!!!


sheeeeeeeeeeeeet

how many times are they gonna jus pretty things up when they dont just work on the gameplay...the basics
yeh all the fancy stuff will sell but cmon...do these developers go home and sleep on a pretty looking bed that feels like rocks when they sleep on it?...

seriously yo...im not holding my breathe for anything anymore

i played this a while back and first impressions last...its solid enough to hold the best of league fans down

but customers want value on the lastability of there product...
i saw this was gonna be the case coz the core values of a video game is its f***IN GAMEPLAY<read mario and PLEASE fix up times a million for real hungry customers PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

but yup you league fans will feel exactly the same as ya did last year...its cools for a second then the long wait for the following part begins again..

i hope we dont be here like last year and this year next year...
next year i hope we be saying this games the BOMB!!!!!!!..

hows online and multi play boyz?...ive only played singlez against useless A.I

aussie1st
07-12-05, 09:52 AM
Online is the same as single player.
As I said its basically like RL1 with improvements.
I hate the kicking system its all this slow mo stuff.

coughas
07-12-05, 10:04 AM
i dont post here regularly so i&#39;m sure i&#39;m gonna get flamed for this so i will try and articulate my point as best i can. basically i am a fan of ANY company bringing out ANY sports game so when i hear about something like league getting transformed into our much loved domain then i get very excited. however nothing i saw of this game got me excited. yes its league and no one else is doing it but even something like rugby 2001 for all its flaws still had fluid passing and running animations. everything i see of this game looks so jerky. yes, ea sports have a much bigger budget but look at what Swordfish did with WCR. Awesome lower budget title with fluid passing and running. I just dont understand why these guys cant do it - i am not techy enough to know how hard it is but am confused that other companies can produce it but this one cant. i havent played the game yet so i am just going on the videos i have seen including the most recent ones and the stuff you guys are saying here.
i guess i am just confused is all because there was so much hype about this when it really never quite looked &#39;right&#39;.
my two cents anyway

esoj
07-12-05, 10:13 AM
the big let down has to be not being able to change the controls. unless you have special softwarr you are going to have to somehow edit the rl.dat file to change the controls. overall i think the game is pretty good but is let down by the unconfigurable controls or even a training mode so you can learn the buttons. Due to the controls passing is still very werid and I sometimes pass to the wrong player and have to guess which button to push.

woosaah
07-12-05, 10:19 AM
yeah i know what you guys mean, i have just got used to passing and running and stuff and have made some wicked breaks, having trouble getting past the fullback but when i do either by pass or fend man its cool

fends are a bit of a waste of time though as you fend one player off and another one nomatter where they are will catch you and hunt you down.

i enjoy playing it i like the online alot, even though i been playing the same guy over again (like 5 times or something crazy like that)

oh well its wicked http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif and i may be playing this one for a while http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

esoj
07-12-05, 10:32 AM
online play seems to be the way to go I wil have to play tomorrow. Also tomorrow I will start my franchise which seems to be one of the better parts of the game. running and passing is bit werid to start off with but on my second game i started to get some breaks and figured out where to attack.

tgd
08-12-05, 04:37 AM
game is crap seriously.. if ur diehard league fan u might get little enjoyment out of it.. if ur a sports game fan like myself u&#39;ll be punchin holes in the wall..

187
11-12-05, 02:30 AM
i don&#39;t reckon it&#39;s CRAP, it&#39;s ok.. attacking is pretty cool, how u can do cut out passes and select which player to pass to so u can put them thru a gap. my only 2 major problems with this game is the defence and the passing to the playmaker.
defence is whack coz if u run towards a player and hold down O to tackle them, sumtimes u run backwards AWAY from the player and they get past u without even stepping or fending!!! that always drives me up the wall.
and the passing to the playmaker hardly works coz u have to time pressing L1 & R1 to perfection or else he&#39;ll just pass it to the first receiver. and when they playmaker does catch it he isn&#39;t even facing forward when he catches it so u have to turn him around to kick the ball but by then the defence is all up in ur face!!!!
rest of the game is pretty cool tho.. oh yea and the winger seem to run on an angle towards the sideline coz they&#39;ve blown so many tries for my by running out. you&#39;ll draw their man in and then u pop it up for the winger but when he catches the ball he&#39;s running towards the sideline and he almost always ends up running out!!! surely sum1 shouldn&#39;ve noticed that and correct it that if ur a winger and ur on the sideline u don&#39;t run towards it, u run straight!!!!!
i&#39;d give the game a 8.5/10 for graphics and 5/10 for gameplay...

Ripper
12-12-05, 06:16 AM
I dont see why people are ******* themselves over the Franchise Mode.

ak47
12-12-05, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@Dec 12 2005, 07:16 PM
I dont see why people are ******* themselves over the Franchise Mode.
thats all i play

its the only mode

esoj
12-12-05, 06:37 AM
franchise is awesome being able to buy player and sell them as well. what more could you want and it&#39;s over 10 years as well plus there is rep games as well. franchise is what this game is about and will be why it lasts so long. there is also super league franchise as well which you can play. I don&#39;t like superleague but it will be fun buying players and creating the ultimate team stacked with kiwis and aussie lol.

sanzar
12-12-05, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@Dec 12 2005, 06:16 PM
I dont see why people are ******* themselves over the Franchise Mode.
Because it&#39;s the only rugby game with a proper one, and not all of us like defecting to boring crap like NFL so we can play Madden http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif .

CeeJay
12-12-05, 09:50 AM
well said, all though i have spent many late nighst playing madden on franchise mode http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif

knowsleyroader
12-12-05, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by sanzar+Dec 12 2005, 10:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sanzar @ Dec 12 2005, 10:41 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Dec 12 2005, 06:16 PM
I dont see why people are ******* themselves over the Franchise Mode.
Because it&#39;s the only rugby game with a proper one, and not all of us like defecting to boring crap like NFL so we can play Madden http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif . [/b]
Bah ! Ive been playing franchise on RL1 for ages now with good old pen and paper http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif

CeeJay
12-12-05, 08:01 PM
HA HA Ha!! I done that aswell!!! I also did it with rugby 2001, and rugby 2004!!! But Jeez, after a while it was tough to maintain the illusion!

Ripper
13-12-05, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Dec 12 2005, 11:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sanzar @ Dec 12 2005, 11:41 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Dec 12 2005, 06:16 PM
I dont see why people are ******* themselves over the Franchise Mode.
Because it&#39;s the only rugby game with a proper one, and not all of us like defecting to boring crap like NFL so we can play Madden http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif . [/b]
Bwhahaha, Not my fault you lot are easily impressed by below average Franchise Modes.

samb√£d5
13-12-05, 06:07 AM
yeah man g, the franchise was ****. random injurys etc... "its the only rugby/rugby league game with a franhise" is no response. it may be the only game with it, but its still unbeliveably ****.

what swordfish and ea will do in 2-3 months will kill this game in every aspect. if you go buy it because "its got a franchise mode" your kidding yourself. hold on untill you can buy the other games. then you will see. it misses player progression, decent trainings. it is ruined by injurys, and horrible rep selections. madden did it good with the pro bowl by basing it on stats. i dont think its that hard.

sanzar
13-12-05, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+Dec 13 2005, 05:15 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ripper @ Dec 13 2005, 05:15 PM)</div>

Originally posted by sanzar@Dec 12 2005, 11:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Dec 12 2005, 06:16 PM
I dont see why people are ******* themselves over the Franchise Mode.
Because it&#39;s the only rugby game with a proper one, and not all of us like defecting to boring crap like NFL so we can play Madden http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif .
Bwhahaha, Not my fault you lot are easily impressed by below average Franchise Modes. [/b]
You&#39;re an idiot...

Ripper
13-12-05, 06:11 AM
no, just realistic.

OMGz YOU CAN B90Y AND SE1L PLAYERZ!!!!!!!!! lolol

CeeJay
13-12-05, 09:45 AM
If this game didnt hav franchise i would hav returned it already.

esoj
13-12-05, 10:25 AM
i have only had 5 injuries and I am just past june 3oth in season 2 so the random injuries are rubbish. my longest has been fien out for 8 weeks. try fiddling with the training schedule and interchange and rotate your players more. this is the best franchise in a rugby game. ea and it&#39;s world league is just rubbish compared to this franchise. world league is boring after you reach the top division with your superstar team which you have gathered by then. try doing the same with rl 2 with the salary cap it has. sure you might win the comp in your first year but what about the second year or third year when your players want more and more money. this is something the crap world league cannot replicate at all. playing as the rabbits as well would be interesting they have a crap team to start with. this is the best franchise mode bar none in a rugby game

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
13-12-05, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by knowsleyroader+Dec 13 2005, 03:05 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (knowsleyroader @ Dec 13 2005, 03:05 AM)</div>

Originally posted by sanzar@Dec 12 2005, 10:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Dec 12 2005, 06:16 PM
I dont see why people are ******* themselves over the Franchise Mode.
Because it&#39;s the only rugby game with a proper one, and not all of us like defecting to boring crap like NFL so we can play Madden http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif .
Bah ! Ive been playing franchise on RL1 for ages now with good old pen and paper http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif [/b]
man..i was SOOOOO HOOKED ON LOMU when i was 11

one nite my creativity took over and did a world tour challenging every team!!!

and ofcourse smashing them to bits..but keeping point stats on paper!!

WAHHHOOOOO..i was over the moon when i completed it

the leading scorer was sumwhere in the 400s..
his name was mehrtens http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

and an unlucky lomu and wilson coming 2nd and thirds

i honestly did that!!!...awesome late skool nites playing this!!!
this game and gangsta rap musik is why i cant spell!!!!

Ripper
13-12-05, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by esoj@Dec 14 2005, 12:25 AM
i have only had 5 injuries and I am just past june 3oth in season 2 so the random injuries are rubbish. my longest has been fien out for 8 weeks. try fiddling with the training schedule and interchange and rotate your players more. this is the best franchise in a rugby game. ea and it&#39;s world league is just rubbish compared to this franchise. world league is boring after you reach the top division with your superstar team which you have gathered by then. try doing the same with rl 2 with the salary cap it has. sure you might win the comp in your first year but what about the second year or third year when your players want more and more money. this is something the crap world league cannot replicate at all. playing as the rabbits as well would be interesting they have a crap team to start with. this is the best franchise mode bar none in a rugby game
Well considiring the fact bar Pro Rugby Manager, this is the ONLY Franchise Mode in a Rugby game...

still doesnt mean that it&#39;s a good Franchise Mode when compared to the one on the NHL 2K series or FIFA 06&#39;s Manager Mode.

esoj
13-12-05, 07:54 PM
i wasn&#39;t comparing to the likes of madden and nhl though. what were you expecting though that the franchise mode in only the second league game in 10 years would match them. the franchise mode for rl 2 is good for a first try at it and I am sure when the likes of madden and nhl started out they were that great. compare apples with apples not oranges with apples. the fairer comparision would be with the first time the likes of madden and nhl had a franchise in compared to rl 2.

i regard the world league on ea games as an attempt at a sort of franchise/career mode as you can buy players and compete over multiple seasons. it is rubbiish though and is no where near as good as the one in rl 2

NgatiDread
13-12-05, 10:46 PM
Well said esoj, I&#39;m lovin this game especially multi player custom competitions.

CeeJay
13-12-05, 11:35 PM
Yep, world league is horribly half arsed. RL2 lets you take a real team and play a franchise in a real competition. If not for this , RL2 would suck. a multi year franchise, even an average one, gives you that sense of deapth and purpose, and keeps you coming back again for another attempt at making history in the grand final. Otherwise id play through a season and be like, oh well, back to madden.

esoj
14-12-05, 12:09 AM
yep and that is why i was bored on rl 1 it was arcadey and i got bored after playing through the nrl twice.

Parore
14-12-05, 02:43 AM
The Franchise is pretty realistic. Those who say its not are kidding themselves.

It gives you the skill to select squads. You can either select big named players and a smaller squad and if you get 3-5 injuries over the season and some of them season ending ones then your in trouble, or you could lower your chance of winning a premiership and go for a larger squad with 1 or 2 big named players and have the flexibility to field a side when you have 3 players out with Origin Duty, 2-3 injured and others that are performing so poorly you dont want to select them.

Thats really realistic, and also the pressure to get the club a significant profit at the end or the year or make the 8 or your heads on the chopping block is realistic.

If you dont feel its realistic ask Tony Kemp what being a coach is all about.

knowsleyroader
14-12-05, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by Parore@Dec 14 2005, 03:43 PM
The Franchise is pretty realistic. Those who say its not are kidding themselves.

It gives you the skill to select squads. You can either select big named players and a smaller squad and if you get 3-5 injuries over the season and some of them season ending ones then your in trouble, or you could lower your chance of winning a premiership and go for a larger squad with 1 or 2 big named players and have the flexibility to field a side when you have 3 players out with Origin Duty, 2-3 injured and others that are performing so poorly you dont want to select them.

Thats really realistic, and also the pressure to get the club a significant profit at the end or the year or make the 8 or your heads on the chopping block is realistic.

If you dont feel its realistic ask Tony Kemp what being a coach is all about.
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif

Parore
14-12-05, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by knowsleyroader+Dec 14 2005, 09:41 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (knowsleyroader @ Dec 14 2005, 09:41 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Parore@Dec 14 2005, 03:43 PM
The Franchise is pretty realistic. Those who say its not are kidding themselves.

It gives you the skill to select squads. You can either select big named players and a smaller squad and if you get 3-5 injuries over the season and some of them season ending ones then your in trouble, or you could lower your chance of winning a premiership and go for a larger squad with 1 or 2 big named players and have the flexibility to field a side when you have 3 players out with Origin Duty, 2-3 injured and others that are performing so poorly you dont want to select them.

Thats really realistic, and also the pressure to get the club a significant profit at the end or the year or make the 8 or your heads on the chopping block is realistic.

If you dont feel its realistic ask Tony Kemp what being a coach is all about.
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif [/b]
Thats what the free agents are there for. Sign them up and they are part of your side.

Like the Warriors wanted to do with Mundine, and Carlos Spencer in 2002 and what they did with Sharky Robinson who wasnt included in the yearly cap as he was paid per game.

mikeeboy
14-12-05, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by esoj@Dec 14 2005, 08:54 AM
i wasn&#39;t comparing to the likes of madden and nhl though. what were you expecting though that the franchise mode in only the second league game in 10 years would match them. the franchise mode for rl 2 is good for a first try at it and I am sure when the likes of madden and nhl started out they were that great. compare apples with apples not oranges with apples. the fairer comparision would be with the first time the likes of madden and nhl had a franchise in compared to rl 2.

i regard the world league on ea games as an attempt at a sort of franchise/career mode as you can buy players and compete over multiple seasons. it is rubbiish though and is no where near as good as the one in rl 2
I don&#39;t get this "only second attempt" thing and saying that Madden etc has been in development for 10 years. I thought Sidhe Games cost as much as EA Games. Should we expect an inferior product for our £30, just because it&#39;s not a 10+ year Franchise? I don&#39;t think so.

I don&#39;t get his "Franchise is not bad for a 1st attempt" thing either. Do they not know what we want in a Franchise mode? They could ask any one of us on here to map out exactly what a Franchise mode should entail. Or is it just they didn&#39;t have time to do it? Has it taken Madden 10 years to physically code their Franchise mode? I doubt it.

CeeJay
14-12-05, 09:31 AM
Madden franchise was largley the same up until they added storyline central and the radio show, other than that its been the same old. We should expect less, they just dont hav the budget to compete on the same level, but with each iteration it will get better, so the "only the second attempt does factor in a bit" and sadly, if we want to support the future of rugby gaming, then we hav to pay top dollar, but doing so with the knowledge that eventually they will hit the mark.

knowsleyroader
14-12-05, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Parore+Dec 14 2005, 09:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parore @ Dec 14 2005, 09:07 PM)</div>

Originally posted by knowsleyroader@Dec 14 2005, 09:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Parore@Dec 14 2005, 03:43 PM
The Franchise is pretty realistic. Those who say its not are kidding themselves.

It gives you the skill to select squads. You can either select big named players and a smaller squad and if you get 3-5 injuries over the season and some of them season ending ones then your in trouble, or you could lower your chance of winning a premiership and go for a larger squad with 1 or 2 big named players and have the flexibility to field a side when you have 3 players out with Origin Duty, 2-3 injured and others that are performing so poorly you dont want to select them.

Thats really realistic, and also the pressure to get the club a significant profit at the end or the year or make the 8 or your heads on the chopping block is realistic.

If you dont feel its realistic ask Tony Kemp what being a coach is all about.
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
Thats what the free agents are there for. Sign them up and they are part of your side.

Like the Warriors wanted to do with Mundine, and Carlos Spencer in 2002 and what they did with Sharky Robinson who wasnt included in the yearly cap as he was paid per game. [/b]
But arnt most people finding they are unable to do this because of cap limitations ?

CeeJay
14-12-05, 10:07 AM
Yeah, and can someone explain this one for me: I hav about 190 grand left, i wanted to sign a cheap free agent for backup, the dude wanted 63 grand and i made the offer and was told it would exceed my salary cap...WTF!!! So i went back out of frustration and tried to re sign T.Martin for 183 grand, and he said show me the dotted line!!...WTF!!! So 63 grand puts me over the salary cap, but 180 is fine!! this has really P**sed me off, coz i never know when other **** like this is gonna happen!?!? Wat if i need one guy to keep me getting fired, and i hav the money but I get this bulls**t.

esoj
14-12-05, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by mikeeboy+Dec 14 2005, 11:00 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mikeeboy @ Dec 14 2005, 11:00 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@Dec 14 2005, 08:54 AM
i wasn&#39;t comparing to the likes of madden and nhl though. what were you expecting though that the franchise mode in only the second league game in 10 years would match them. the franchise mode for rl 2 is good for a first try at it and I am sure when the likes of madden and nhl started out they were that great. compare apples with apples not oranges with apples. the fairer comparision would be with the first time the likes of madden and nhl had a franchise in compared to rl 2.

i regard the world league on ea games as an attempt at a sort of franchise/career mode as you can buy players and compete over multiple seasons. it is rubbiish though and is no where near as good as the one in rl 2
I don&#39;t get this "only second attempt" thing and saying that Madden etc has been in development for 10 years. I thought Sidhe Games cost as much as EA Games. Should we expect an inferior product for our £30, just because it&#39;s not a 10+ year Franchise? I don&#39;t think so.

I don&#39;t get his "Franchise is not bad for a 1st attempt" thing either. Do they not know what we want in a Franchise mode? They could ask any one of us on here to map out exactly what a Franchise mode should entail. Or is it just they didn&#39;t have time to do it? Has it taken Madden 10 years to physically code their Franchise mode? I doubt it. [/b]
no but think for one moment it has taken madden 10 years to get this far and now just because the like of madden are at that level you want every game to be at the at level which will not happen. of course it didn&#39;t take madden 10 years to code in a franchise but i doubt their first one was crash hot so please do as i said and compare apples with apples which in this case would be the second version of madden or for the case of the franchise the first version where they had a franchise.

of course sidhe know what we want in a franchise but they can&#39;t put everything they wanted in the second version of the game. madden got to where it is now through a lot of years and games and wasn&#39;t a massive succes and perfect game by it&#39;s second version so why should rugby league. also the development for madden will be at least double if not more than what sidhe get to play with which means more resources money can be used on things like improving a franchise. not every game that sells for top dollar is perfect or madden like so why should rugby league 2 have to be when 100s of other games also don&#39;t meant the same standard. this franchise mode is a good start and is very good for the second version of league. I am sure madden started out in a similar way and i doubt they put it in straight away and didn&#39;t change anything.

aye ceejay I don&#39;t know exactly but when you offer contracts there is salary available this year and salary available next year. so certian players when you off contracts fall under this years salary while others are under next year and this is proabbly why you can offer more to some players while others you can&#39;t offer anywhere as much and it comes up with this offer will exeecde your salary cap.

mikeeboy
14-12-05, 02:16 PM
I don&#39;t dispute the reasons why Madden is better, I just don&#39;t like the "ah well, they&#39;ve done their best, so they can have my cash" sort of attitude no matter what.

I have a very cynical theory that companies deliberately leave out features (in the knowledge that sales will not be affected) so that they can then bring out subsequent versions and thus more prfoits. If they built a perfect game now where could they go with RL3? Now, those that aren&#39;t quite satisfied will hype RL3 up naturally assuming they&#39;ll get their desired game.

Where will we be next year? Not bad for a third attempt, Madden has been ........

knowsleyroader
14-12-05, 03:59 PM
But the fact is you have to compete with the products around you. Like I have said before, fifa started out as a 3d isometric game. Does that mean that any company bringing out a new football franchise can start this way ?

How long has ESPN NFL been around ? Im not 100% sure but it isnt as long as Madden is it ? However a lot of people believe this even surpasses Madden never mind competes.

Its SIDHE&#39;s problem to compete with other products and to match peoples expectations, not ours. The public pay their $ or £ an can expect whatever they like. As to if they get it or not thats another matter entirely.

jimmy44
14-12-05, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by mikeeboy@Dec 15 2005, 03:16 AM
I don&#39;t dispute the reasons why Madden is better, I just don&#39;t like the "ah well, they&#39;ve done their best, so they can have my cash" sort of attitude no matter what.

I have a very cynical theory that companies deliberately leave out features (in the knowledge that sales will not be affected) so that they can then bring out subsequent versions and thus more prfoits. If they built a perfect game now where could they go with RL3? Now, those that aren&#39;t quite satisfied will hype RL3 up naturally assuming they&#39;ll get their desired game.

Where will we be next year? Not bad for a third attempt, Madden has been ........
Thats exactly what companies do - its not cynical its business.

Alan
14-12-05, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by knowsleyroader@Dec 14 2005, 08:41 PM
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
It&#39;s fine, lern2play http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Seriously man, if this is happening to you it&#39;s because you are not playing the game very well. If we didn&#39;t implement stuff like this, we might as well not let the Rabitohs win the GF (or even get into the 8) - I mean, that&#39;s what happens in reality, right?

That&#39;s why Vossy will comment on you trying running backwards or scoring 20 tries. It&#39;s why you play Australia vs. Australia. It&#39;s why you can play 10 seasons of Super League in 20 minutes. It&#39;s why you can simulate instead of participate.

It&#39;s a game.

How you play it is up to you.

CeeJay
14-12-05, 09:27 PM
Esoj, my this years salary is 21 000 and next years is 183 000, based on this could you explain to me WTF is going on, i dont get the this year and next year crap, and its starting to bug me. I never had more than 21 grand available this year, so in theory I shouldnt be able to resign anyone, but whenever i resigned someone, the money from next year went down.next years dosh was 1. someting million, HELP ME!!! Its starting to ruin this gaem, I need to understand WHY!!??

esoj
14-12-05, 10:30 PM
I myselft don&#39;t understand entirely how it works but I will try to explain how i think it does.

next years salary cap i think can be used on current players in your squad that you want to re-sign.

this years salary cap I believe can only be used on players in the un-signed players section on those that are off contract from other clubs.

where it get a bit strange is around june 30th where I think next years cap might also be able to be used on un-signed players and not just this year.


it is Sidhes job to make the best game they possibly can annd people make their opinions based on that effort. if people are expecting madden or espn like games then their execptations are obviosuly flawed and this cannot be sidhes fault when they don&#39;t meet this expectation.

Sidhe have said countless times that their budget is shoe string which is vastly different to what the development team working on espn and madden get. they bascially have unlimited budgets in comparision to what sidhe have to play with. sure money isn&#39;t everything as ea has showen with rugby games but it does help. money is not everything but when the likes of madden and espn are being used as the yardstick and the level of expectation then people will be let down by sidhe everytime as there is no way sidhe can compete resource wise with either of them. sidhe have to rely on innovation like the passing system and unlockables to even try to get on a level playing field with the the maddens and espns of this world.

sure espn proabbly hass been around less then madden but I think the budget they have would be quite similar and one of the reasons they have been able to compete with madden.

it is not sidhes fault that people are expecting something that sidhe canot simply produce at the moment and that their expectations are out of this world.

of course a new game soccer or whatever won&#39;t start in the dark ages but to expect it to match something that has been around for 10 years straight out of the box is just crazy and people that think that way need a change in their thought process.

CeeJay
14-12-05, 11:18 PM
Thanks man, that atleast makes sense, I work based on that info and see how i go.

I agree with what you are saying, esoj, but I dont think that the unlockables was a major selling pont of RL2, considering that alot of the unlockables are things that should be available outright, like origin, internationals etc. With regards to the unlockable stadiums andwatnot, I would rather that gimmicky things like that were left out, and more work done bug fixing. the videos are good, except I was terribly disappointed with the 25 years of origin, to call it that and hav F**k all of the last 25 years of origin is pretty bad, not to mention they didnt even play that historical queensland end to end try in its full glory, they played about 2 thirds of it, I was gutted considering its one of the greatest sporting moments ever.

Anyway back to the game, Im tearing my hear out, but I just cant stop playing!

doovepop
14-12-05, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by Alan+Dec 15 2005, 10:13 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alan @ Dec 15 2005, 10:13 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-knowsleyroader@Dec 14 2005, 08:41 PM
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
It&#39;s fine, lern2play http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Seriously man, if this is happening to you it&#39;s because you are not playing the game very well. If we didn&#39;t implement stuff like this, we might as well not let the Rabitohs win the GF (or even get into the 8) - I mean, that&#39;s what happens in reality, right?

That&#39;s why Vossy will comment on you trying running backwards or scoring 20 tries. It&#39;s why you play Australia vs. Australia. It&#39;s why you can play 10 seasons of Super League in 20 minutes. It&#39;s why you can simulate instead of participate.

It&#39;s a game.

How you play it is up to you. [/b]
Hey, Alan what are you doing here, does Mario know? http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

ak47
14-12-05, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by CeeJay@Dec 15 2005, 12:18 PM
not to mention they didnt even play that historical queensland end to end try in its full glory, they played about 2 thirds of it, I was gutted considering its one of the greatest sporting moments ever.
come on ceejay

we all know they have the greatest sporting moment in its full glory

Michael O&#39;Conner from the sideline - YES SIR YES SIR

Although i agree to call thet 25yrs of origin is another sidhe flaw

try 25 months

heck they never showed ricky stuart in blue, and i only saw Lewis and Meninga once...and they are the greatest QLDer&#39;s of all time!!!

25yrs of origin moments - ur kidding Mario...can u count properly....1,2,3.....365, multiplied by 25 you Mario!!!!!!!!!!

CeeJay
15-12-05, 12:20 AM
To score and end to end try with time up on the clock in an origin game, is something that will probably never happen again. in union when time is up, you can keep recycling the ball until you make a mistake, in league you cant even get tackled once, makng this nothing short of a miracle. I still shake my head in disbelief every time i see it. A try in the corner, weve seen it before, well see it again. NSW or QLD supporter, u cant cant deny this one is the greatest(the QLD end to end one)

ak47
15-12-05, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by CeeJay@Dec 15 2005, 01:20 PM
To score and end to end try with time up on the clock in an origin game, is something that will probably never happen again. in union when time is up, you can keep recycling the ball until you make a mistake, in league you cant even get tackled once, makng this nothing short of a miracle. I still shake my head in disbelief every time i see it. A try in the corner, weve seen it before, well see it again. NSW or QLD supporter, u cant cant deny this one is the greatest(the QLD end to end one)
tru tru - i agree

i think you find that the buzzer didnt go off in the try

hence it went off during the conversion, or seconds after the try......even though it never mattered as they were up by 2 due to the try

this is from memory though..i havent seen the clock on tapes

from memory there was 45 seconds left at the start of the play, and it didnt go for 45 seconds...although it felt forever coz we was on the losing end of it

see if there is a clock on the video and confirm for us?

but my memory is telling me if Mal was tackled, they could have had another crack if he got up quick enough.

Parore
15-12-05, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by CeeJay@Dec 15 2005, 02:20 PM
To score and end to end try with time up on the clock in an origin game, is something that will probably never happen again. in union when time is up, you can keep recycling the ball until you make a mistake, in league you cant even get tackled once, makng this nothing short of a miracle. I still shake my head in disbelief every time i see it. A try in the corner, weve seen it before, well see it again. NSW or QLD supporter, u cant cant deny this one is the greatest(the QLD end to end one)
Ive actually been watching what the CPU do in a similar position. I find that you need to get your hooker to run to the line and throw a miracle 3 cut out pass ball and it will send one of your backrowers into a gaping hole, then press the D/F button to pass to your play maker and try and get a kick away asap. Usually if you have a fast winger like Meli he will get there and offload or score himself. I have scored alot of last minute trys like this and other ways like chipping and chasing with your play maker then doing a 30m grubber for your wingers.


I just wish Sidhe had a practice mode as you would love to practice all these moves.

esoj
15-12-05, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by CeeJay@Dec 15 2005, 01:18 PM
Thanks man, that atleast makes sense, I work based on that info and see how i go.

I agree with what you are saying, esoj, but I dont think that the unlockables was a major selling pont of RL2, considering that alot of the unlockables are things that should be available outright, like origin, internationals etc. With regards to the unlockable stadiums andwatnot, I would rather that gimmicky things like that were left out, and more work done bug fixing. the videos are good, except I was terribly disappointed with the 25 years of origin, to call it that and hav F**k all of the last 25 years of origin is pretty bad, not to mention they didnt even play that historical queensland end to end try in its full glory, they played about 2 thirds of it, I was gutted considering its one of the greatest sporting moments ever.

Anyway back to the game, Im tearing my hear out, but I just cant stop playing!
i guess they are a bit gimicky but what else can they use. cutting them out is not an option as people would then complain even more and the game would be even mor shallow. sure more time to bug test would be great but at what cost to the overall game. who knows what they were fixing during the delay maybe that re=introduced some bugs or created new ones.

I hope my advice on the salary cap helps you. I am not sure if that is how it works but it might help in some way

CeeJay
15-12-05, 05:22 AM
Things like all the videos, and the sidhe team are enough, people will say that the gimmick stadiums are cool, but realistically youll hav a look once, maybe show ya mate, and thats it. It just the stadiums that are a waste of space.

knowsleyroader
15-12-05, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Alan+Dec 15 2005, 10:13 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alan @ Dec 15 2005, 10:13 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-knowsleyroader@Dec 14 2005, 08:41 PM
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
It&#39;s fine, lern2play http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Seriously man, if this is happening to you it&#39;s because you are not playing the game very well. If we didn&#39;t implement stuff like this, we might as well not let the Rabitohs win the GF (or even get into the 8) - I mean, that&#39;s what happens in reality, right?

That&#39;s why Vossy will comment on you trying running backwards or scoring 20 tries. It&#39;s why you play Australia vs. Australia. It&#39;s why you can play 10 seasons of Super League in 20 minutes. It&#39;s why you can simulate instead of participate.

It&#39;s a game.

How you play it is up to you. [/b]
I really didnt have a problem with the injuries picked up during the game, they were pretty much spot on. But when you pick up upto 18 week injuries in training ( training left at default ) and theres a good chance you can pick up these injuries once every few weeks, I just think its a little over the top.

Why didnt you allow the injury frequency to be scaled like some other features then everyone could have tuned it to their own tastes ?

Paddy
15-12-05, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by CeeJay@Dec 15 2005, 06:22 PM
Things like all the videos, and the sidhe team are enough, people will say that the gimmick stadiums are cool, but realistically youll hav a look once, maybe show ya mate, and thats it. It just the stadiums that are a waste of space.
i like the stadiums actually

it gives us a more arcadey feel

its like NBA where we can play on carpark, rooftops etc etc

esoj
15-12-05, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by knowsleyroader+Dec 15 2005, 09:36 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (knowsleyroader @ Dec 15 2005, 09:36 PM)</div>

Originally posted by Alan@Dec 15 2005, 10:13 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-knowsleyroader@Dec 14 2005, 08:41 PM
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
It&#39;s fine, lern2play http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Seriously man, if this is happening to you it&#39;s because you are not playing the game very well. If we didn&#39;t implement stuff like this, we might as well not let the Rabitohs win the GF (or even get into the 8) - I mean, that&#39;s what happens in reality, right?

That&#39;s why Vossy will comment on you trying running backwards or scoring 20 tries. It&#39;s why you play Australia vs. Australia. It&#39;s why you can play 10 seasons of Super League in 20 minutes. It&#39;s why you can simulate instead of participate.

It&#39;s a game.

How you play it is up to you.
I really didnt have a problem with the injuries picked up during the game, they were pretty much spot on. But when you pick up upto 18 week injuries in training ( training left at default ) and theres a good chance you can pick up these injuries once every few weeks, I just think its a little over the top.

Why didnt you allow the injury frequency to be scaled like some other features then everyone could have tuned it to their own tastes ? [/b]
there is your problem you left the training at default. you were starting to get injuries so did it ever occurr to you that maybe you should cut back on training at all. i had 2 injuries in my first 2 games on franchise so i alter the training and didn&#39;t get any for a goo 8-10 games. training is part of the game and at various stage it may need adjusting. I got 1 recently in training so instead of doing nothing i changed it. I think in franchise the idea is that the player has to think outside the square and not just take it as a cruisy ride. so things like training proabbly will need changing every now and then and maybe other things do as well.

knowsleyroader
15-12-05, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by esoj+Dec 15 2005, 09:47 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (esoj @ Dec 15 2005, 09:47 PM)</div>

Originally posted by knowsleyroader@Dec 15 2005, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Alan@Dec 15 2005, 10:13 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-knowsleyroader@Dec 14 2005, 08:41 PM
I do like the realism of the franchise mode. Especially the realistic bit where you dont have enough players to field a side.

Glad to see they implemented the things you see all the time* http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif
It&#39;s fine, lern2play http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif

Seriously man, if this is happening to you it&#39;s because you are not playing the game very well. If we didn&#39;t implement stuff like this, we might as well not let the Rabitohs win the GF (or even get into the 8) - I mean, that&#39;s what happens in reality, right?

That&#39;s why Vossy will comment on you trying running backwards or scoring 20 tries. It&#39;s why you play Australia vs. Australia. It&#39;s why you can play 10 seasons of Super League in 20 minutes. It&#39;s why you can simulate instead of participate.

It&#39;s a game.

How you play it is up to you.
I really didnt have a problem with the injuries picked up during the game, they were pretty much spot on. But when you pick up upto 18 week injuries in training ( training left at default ) and theres a good chance you can pick up these injuries once every few weeks, I just think its a little over the top.

Why didnt you allow the injury frequency to be scaled like some other features then everyone could have tuned it to their own tastes ?
there is your problem you left the training at default. you were starting to get injuries so did it ever occurr to you that maybe you should cut back on training at all. i had 2 injuries in my first 2 games on franchise so i alter the training and didn&#39;t get any for a goo 8-10 games. training is part of the game and at various stage it may need adjusting. I got 1 recently in training so instead of doing nothing i changed it. I think in franchise the idea is that the player has to think outside the square and not just take it as a cruisy ride. so things like training proabbly will need changing every now and then and maybe other things do as well. [/b]
I left the training on auto which you would think by its very nature should be set so that it doesnt really intrude on your gameplay.

Whats the point in having an auto feature if you then have to go into training so you dont pick up a whole list of injuries ?

NZL Fan
15-12-05, 07:07 PM
This is what one member of the SIDHE forums reckons training does..........(andI thought my training injuries were caused by NOT resting my players enough......and fitness increases injury risk??).

"alot of ppl have been asking what each training session do

here what i found from looking at the database files"

Rest: Increases - injury susceptability and moral
Decreases - every other attributes

Active Recovery: Increases - injury susceptability
Decreases - None

Defence - Increases aggression, agility, tackle
Decreases - Injury Susceptability, Morale

Fitness: Increases - Fitness (DUH) and injury risk
Decreases: Injury Susceptability and Morale

Match Review: Increases - Pass Accuracy, Ball handling
Decreases - none

Set Plays: INcreases - Acceleration, fitness, Agility, Pass Accuracy, Offload,
Decreases - Injury Susceptability and Morale

Skill Drills: Increases - Tackle, Pass Accuracy, Offload, General Kick, Goal Kick, Tackle, Ball Handling
Decreases: Injury Susceptability and morale

Speed/Agility: Increases - Speed, Acceleration, Agility, Break Tackle, Tackle,
Decreases: Injury Susceptability and morale

Strength: Increases - Fitness, Speed, Aggression, Tackle, Injury Risk
Decreases: Injury Susceptability and morale

Team Prep: Increases - Fitness, Aggression, Break Tackle
Decreases - none

esoj
15-12-05, 07:27 PM
it depends on what injury suspeciabilty is. the default is set to 1 so i thought a lower one would be better but it seems you want it higher to the chances of getting an injury are lower. fitness i guess increases injury risk becacuse of the intensity of it and proabbly uses the whole bodly so having lots of finess is proabbly bad. i guess the idea is to find a nice balacne and also maybe alter training a lot.

NZL Fan
15-12-05, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by esoj@Dec 16 2005, 08:27 AM
it depends on what injury suspeciabilty is. the default is set to 1 so i thought a lower one would be better but it seems you want it higher to the chances of getting an injury are lower. fitness i guess increases injury risk becacuse of the intensity of it and proabbly uses the whole bodly so having lots of finess is proabbly bad. i guess the idea is to find a nice balacne and also maybe alter training a lot.
So the higher the value of injury suseptability the less risk of injury??

If that was true then wouldn&#39;t fitness training increase your injury suseptability and not lower it??

I think it is the lower the figure for injury suseptablitiy the better - however why then would "rest" increase your injury suseptability?? (maybe on the field but 90% of my injuries occur during training - not during actual gameplay).

CeeJay
15-12-05, 07:39 PM
Cool, I hope to put these to better use now.

With regards to you r team being ruined by injuries in training, heres what i do: As soon as ive played a match i save it before im promted to when i play the next game, as the training injuries are not done until you make the compulsory save before your match, you can just quickly reload, and as they are random 9/10 times, there will be no injury when you get back. I take any match injuries on the chin, and any training ones that are 3 weeks or under, but season ending training injuries i wont put up with. This game is frustrating enough without losing star players for the season in training. Yeah yeah, i know that this isnt the realistic approach, but in this instance i dont want realism, i want my damn stars on the field. I lose enough of them from game injuries. Plus, theres no way im getting fired coz of injuries.

esoj
15-12-05, 07:48 PM
each to their own i guess and like i posted i have a charmed run at the moment. my worst training injury was 7 weeks with guttenbiel and what was werider is that he hadn;t even played in a match either.

if the lower figure was better than why do you get heaps of injuries at the start i had 2 in my first 2 games. I don&#39;t know but myabe training has different affect on match injuries compared to training. I had one werid one stacey was injuried during the match so i had to interchange him but when i went to team management he had no injury. I rested him for 2 games just in case. maybe it is a bug and if so I am loving it and thats a good bug to have.

CeeJay
15-12-05, 07:53 PM
thats no bug, it just means the injury was minor, and he just had to sit the game out.

esoj
15-12-05, 07:57 PM
really odd then as every other injury i get in a match or training is at least 2 weeks. oh well not complaining still have stacey as well in my team plus most of the other orginals in the warriors squad. ruben will be retiring end of season 3 for me and i have lost webb tumiave temata martin lauaki and mannering and only managed to bring harris and thaiday in so far. which leaves me only with 21 players but with ruben gone should free up some cash so that i can get a few more players.

Alan
16-12-05, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by knowsleyroader@Dec 15 2005, 10:11 PM
I left the training on auto which you would think by its very nature should be set so that it doesnt really intrude on your gameplay.

Whats the point in having an auto feature if you then have to go into training so you dont pick up a whole list of injuries ?
What&#39;s the point in having "auto" play a godlike game? If you leave it on auto you won&#39;t have to set stuff yourself but it&#39;s not going to make the best decisions ever. If you want to eek out the best performance / success, you take control yourself.

That&#39;s the point.

Anyway sounds like you&#39;re gonna hate it no matter what - why don&#39;t you take it back and get on with your life, you&#39;ll do no one any favours giving yourself an ulcer over it http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif

ak47
16-12-05, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by Alan@Dec 16 2005, 02:03 PM
you&#39;ll do no one any favours giving yourself an ulcer over it http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
perhaps you&#39;ll listen, and take his credible feedback and get on with ur life and fix them for sequels

its not the best - as per GOLs OVERRATED REVIEW
its not worth 9/10 as per magazines

its good, but thats because u have no competitors

take OUR FEEDBACK.............its more credible and reliable, than the teenage youth demographic on ur forum.

There&#39;s no point proclaiming ur position of &#39;we listen to fans&#39; if you just retaliate with personal abuse, for anything negative said about the game

p.s he has already got his refund......and luke covell is LEFT FOOTED.

how can a game improve, when all the negative points, and feedback get washed down the girdler, and back 4 pages in 20mins coz the official forum is full of fanboy 10 yr olds creating a new thread for every game they play.

Now u still browse this joint, so i&#39;ll say this

PLAYER RESPONSIVENESS IS BELOW PAR, FIX IT, BEFORE U ADD IN CHEERLEADERS, ONLINE CHEERLEADING COMP, AND ONLINE REFEREEING.
I WANNA BE ABLE TO MOVE MY PLAYER LIKE JLR...I WANNA BE ABEL TO WRONG FOOT THE AI WITH A CHANGE OF DIRECTION, NOT A RANDOM STEP, THAT MAY GO LEFT OR RIGHT, I JUST HOPE IT GOES THE RIGHT WAY, WITH UR PRODUCTS...WISH AND HOPE...NAH THAT AINT GAMING, THATS GAMBLING!!!

http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r.gif

Alan
16-12-05, 03:12 AM
I thought you guys would be a little more interested in what I had to say - apparently not. I will not be coming back.

..::ERIC::..
16-12-05, 03:18 AM
Ban Knowls its the precident you set when Mario left...

esoj
16-12-05, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Alan@Dec 16 2005, 05:12 PM
I thought you guys would be a little more interested in what I had to say - apparently not. I will not be coming back.
not really alan most on here hate your game and company.

CeeJay
16-12-05, 03:55 AM
I take it thats a shot at us not at Alan?

esoj
16-12-05, 04:03 AM
lets see I am the guy that works at sidhe remember.

sanzar
16-12-05, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by Alan@Dec 16 2005, 03:12 PM
I thought you guys would be a little more interested in what I had to say - apparently not. I will not be coming back.
Yes... I can see how out of line AK was with a ridiculous comment like "we have credible criticisms" http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif .
We are interested in what you have to say Alan, but we would also like you to hear what we have to say... Afterall, we are interested in seeing this series continue.

sanzar
16-12-05, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by ..::ERIC::..@Dec 16 2005, 03:18 PM
Ban Knowls its the precident you set when Mario left...
Remind me where knowsley started making threats to Alan? I thought that had more to do with why Los was banned... that and he&#39;s an idiot.

Parore
16-12-05, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by Alan@Dec 16 2005, 05:12 PM
I thought you guys would be a little more interested in what I had to say - apparently not. I will not be coming back.
Thats what happens during the school holidays mate when some people with nothing better to do, dont take everything to heart.

Personally I like the game alot and admit there is room for alot of improvement and I hope a patch will sort some of the issues out, if not RL3.

knowsleyroader
16-12-05, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Alan+Dec 16 2005, 02:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alan @ Dec 16 2005, 02:03 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-knowsleyroader@Dec 15 2005, 10:11 PM
I left the training on auto which you would think by its very nature should be set so that it doesnt really intrude on your gameplay.

Whats the point in having an auto feature if you then have to go into training so you dont pick up a whole list of injuries ?
What&#39;s the point in having "auto" play a godlike game? If you leave it on auto you won&#39;t have to set stuff yourself but it&#39;s not going to make the best decisions ever. If you want to eek out the best performance / success, you take control yourself.

That&#39;s the point.

Anyway sounds like you&#39;re gonna hate it no matter what - why don&#39;t you take it back and get on with your life, you&#39;ll do no one any favours giving yourself an ulcer over it http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif [/b]
I have to admit to being really shocked by your response. I realised from some of your replies that you obviously wernt happy with some of the feedback I left, thats to be expected as your one of the developers. But if you for 1 minute think I have been bagging this game for the sake of it then you are so far off the mark its unbelieveable.

Its not about money Alan, its about waiting for THE rugby league product for more years than I care to remember now. The problem for me isnt solved if I get a refund, its not that simple. The fact is im still left without the great Rugby League game ive been waiting for.

I think all of my comments have been very valid and I challenge you to find one comment on here that at least 1 person doesnt agree with.

Your attitude to my posts and then someones response after have certainly prompted you to show your true colours which seems to be that if all things are well your more than happy to mingle with us " Consumers ". But the minute thing get a little too close for comfort its pack up that pram with my toys and away I go.

The fact of the matter is this is THE most credible rugby gaming forum in existence and if you are getting some negative feedback on here you REALLY should be paying a great deal of attention.

As for me being banned from the forums. What for exactly ?

..::ERIC::..
16-12-05, 08:28 AM
For the inability to detect a joke.

kaftka
16-12-05, 08:32 AM
Alan, if you read this, please don&#39;t take everything so personally. The fact is, you obviously haven&#39;t made the perfect game, and, in reality, it&#39;s just as important (in fact, moreso) for you to listen to us as we listen to you. We buy your game, we determine whether or not you make another. You guys apparantly listen to the consumers, but that doesn&#39;t just involve visiting forums and advertising your product and disregarding criticisms.

Now, I haven&#39;t got the game yet, but should be getting it soon. (If it had come out on Xbox I could have hired it for a couple of nights, rather than jumping straight into the deepend and forking over a hundred bucks for the PC version).

Please don&#39;t leave, that is stupid and childish. Everyone here wants the same thing. A perfect rugby game. Everyone here has very valid opinions as 90% of us has played every rugby game since JLR, or EA Sports on Megadrive. We have many ideas and criticisms, that I would think would be refreshing to hear rather than sitting in a box all day working like an office assistant doing spreadsheets... Don&#39;t become like EA. I know you have your own forum, but really, in all honesty, I stopped visiting that long ago as the average age/IQ of the members must be around 12. On the other hand, we here have played games all of our lives (or most), and we are mature (some of us) and we don&#39;t talk a lot of BuLLzShIIT lol!!1!

Wishing you a Merry Christmas,

kaftka
xoxox

knowsleyroader
16-12-05, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by ..::ERIC::..@Dec 16 2005, 09:28 PM
For the inability to detect a joke.
I presume its something to do with Los being banned ? Unfortunately Im not aware of what happened with that situation, so im afraid the " joke " fell on deaf ears. Sorry.

..::ERIC::..
16-12-05, 08:38 AM
Please, don&#39;t apologise.

I kidd.

You are not worthy.

I kidd.

I agree with Kaftka, although I suggest you don&#39;t get the game Kaffy instead just update the rl1 teams and you&#39;ve got a better game.

knowsleyroader
16-12-05, 08:41 AM
To be honest from a developers point of view you would think they would really value and appreciate the criticism. From their point of view it should be a case of

" Well we dont have some things right in this version, but we can damned make sure they are right the next time round."

Not listening to constructive criticism would be a real shame.

FWIW I think almost every post on this forum has been constructive in one way or another with regards to RL2.

C A Iversen
16-12-05, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Alan@Dec 16 2005, 04:12 PM
I thought you guys would be a little more interested in what I had to say - apparently not. I will not be coming back.

Why on earth did this imbecile think we&#39;d be "a little more interested in what he had to say"?

It illustrates the point perfectly really.
He wants us to listen to HIM.

Why not try listening to the consumer for once? We are the ones who&#39;ll tell you whats required to make the best game. What the hell does it achieve the other way round?

Are you going to explain to us how to be good pet consumers and take whatever we&#39;re fed?

I couldn&#39;t give one stuff what anyone calls me on this forum. Not at all. Leaving in the way you are is what I would describe as cowardice if I did it. So how come you have such a thin skin?

I can see how a lot of this games stuff-ups were made. Obviously, everyone was too precious with each others feelings to call a spade a spade!

NZL Fan
18-12-05, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Alan@Dec 16 2005, 02:03 PM
What&#39;s the point in having "auto" play a godlike game?* If you leave it on auto you won&#39;t have to set stuff yourself but it&#39;s not going to make the best decisions ever. If you want to eek out the best performance / success, you take control yourself.

That&#39;s the point.

Anyway sounds like you&#39;re gonna hate it no matter what - why don&#39;t you take it back and get on with your life, you&#39;ll do no one any favours giving yourself an ulcer over it http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif
Though Mario was unfairly abused on these forums (may I add by ONE member only) and left with good reason, Alan appears to have left this forum because some members (including myself) think RL2 is fair from impressive................

I thought AK47 (and Knowsley for that matter) made some very valid points in a "controlled" manner and if Alan can not take the good feedback with the bad then maybe he is in the wrong business.

Telling people, who paid good money and are rightly disappointed in his product, to "get on with their lives" is downright rude and condescending, and shows how far the PR machine at SIDHE has gone downhill since their first foray into rugby league video gaming.

Maybe it all started when prior to release Mario said on the SIDHE forums that rep sides in the game are picked on form, when in actual fact they are not???

Oh, and Alan...............for the record an "auto" option is obviously for people that want nothing to do with that aspect of the game, and therefore that gamer shouldn&#39;t be disadvantaged (as they will be if they choose "automatic training" in this game) because they decide to choose the auto option - strangely makes sense doesn&#39;t it???

kaftka
18-12-05, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Ride The Cliche@Dec 18 2005, 06:06 PM
Oh, and Alan...............for the record an "auto" option is obviously for people that want nothing to do with that aspect of the game, and therefore that gamer shouldn&#39;t be disadvantaged (as they will be if they choose "automatic training" in this game) because they decide to choose the auto option - strangely makes sense doesn&#39;t it???
I had to read that sentence twice, but yes. Yes it does!

doovepop
18-12-05, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Alan@Dec 16 2005, 04:12 PM
I thought you guys would be a little more interested in what I had to say - apparently not. I will not be coming back.
I don&#39;t get it why are you leaving?

sanzar
18-12-05, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by doovepop+Dec 18 2005, 11:32 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (doovepop @ Dec 18 2005, 11:32 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Alan@Dec 16 2005, 04:12 PM
I thought you guys would be a little more interested in what I had to say - apparently not. I will not be coming back.
I don&#39;t get it why are you leaving? [/b]
He&#39;s being childish... I&#39;m not sure why he thinks being pouty will get through to the fans.

knowsleyroader
18-12-05, 07:09 PM
I would like to think he regrets saying it now. Maybe he has the balls to come back and admit it was a knee jerk reaction to some very close to the mark comments about RL2.

If Alan and Mario are interested in having access to a wealth of rugby gaming knowledge ( which you would think they would be given they develop rugby games ) im sure they will be back ?

CeeJay
18-12-05, 08:51 PM
They will be back, they just wont post,and we wont know who they are, theres too much realistic feedback here for them to ignore, theyll be back when theyre ready to get real about what needs to be done for RL3.

TheBokke
19-12-05, 07:35 AM
Even if they do come back guys and they say that they are going to listen I don`t think it will improve. I mean how could they release this game with all the bugs that I have been hearing about and not expect a pasting!!

They definatley knew that they were there I mean come on these guys had hours and hours of testing even if the testers they called in chose to suck up big time, Mario and the guys would have know that this game would only cause many complaints.

esoj
20-12-05, 08:49 PM
why would anybody here listen to alan and anybody from sidhe. the majority hate the game and just bag the game for any little reason. there is nothing sidhe can do to change knowsleyroaders view about the game and therefore his view of sidhe. why bother posting somewhere where the fans don&#39;t care about what you post.

sanzar
20-12-05, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by esoj@Dec 21 2005, 08:49 AM
why would anybody here listen to alan and anybody from sidhe. the majority hate the game and just bag the game for any little reason. there is nothing sidhe can do to change knowsleyroaders view about the game and therefore his view of sidhe. why bother posting somewhere where the fans don&#39;t care about what you post.
I don&#39;t think that&#39;s a fair comment... I personally love the game, but a lot of the comments and complaints on this forum are valid and sidhe would do well to listen to them... what Alan did smacks of immaturity and arrogance.

ak47
20-12-05, 09:29 PM
persoanlly i am having alot of fun still with RL2...moreso than Rugby2005

I wasnt personally slanging them...i was mearely suggesting what to fix, and advertising what is wrong with the current product.

They didnt like that

So i guess, Gol, and the sidhe crew, can make immaterial improvements, as he is 1 fan they do listen to, and it just happens to be a conflict of interest, and he just happens to say what they want..."best sports game ever"......u know where the jabronies can take that quote.

i havent played pes5 since i got rl2...........that says alot, but i&#39;m getting excited for my next pes5 session...especially after this rl2 vossy vest...i cant stop playing.

vossy&#39;s voice is in my nightmares!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad.gif

St Helens RLFC
20-12-05, 09:34 PM
What is the world coming to?

Sorry Alan, I think you have reacted poorly to criticism. Yes, it&#39;s your game, but surely you would like to make your game better? This is not Los Lover blasting Mario here, this is two of your English stats team telling you that things can be better as well as a host of your fans.

I think RL2 is good. Not great, but good. I think there&#39;s a bit of laziness involved here and there, some things are good, others not so good. I don&#39;t believe that anyone has overstepped the mark.

I&#39;m not going to beg you to return, if you want to turn your back on your customers then that&#39;s down to you. SIDHE come in for a lot less criticism on this forum than they do in most places.

CeeJay
21-12-05, 01:21 AM
I would rather that the guys from sidhe didnt post on this forum, it always seems to end in tears, as long as they come hear and read. That way we can all get what we want, (them feedback, and us, improvements on the major problems.) without any tears or hard feeilings.

esoj
21-12-05, 07:21 AM
I would say that would be the course of action they take as they can&#39;t seem to get what they want from posting/ this has to be one of the largest rugby gaming forums in the world as well so they will ignore us at their peril.

knowsleyroader
21-12-05, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by esoj@Dec 21 2005, 09:49 AM
why would anybody here listen to alan and anybody from sidhe. the majority hate the game and just bag the game for any little reason. there is nothing sidhe can do to change knowsleyroaders view about the game and therefore his view of sidhe. why bother posting somewhere where the fans don&#39;t care about what you post.
Why do you always refer to me in your posts ? Am I the only one on here that said anything negative about the game ? Your begining to give me the feeling I have a stalker.

esoj
21-12-05, 07:50 PM
you always mention me in your posts so it should only be faur I mention you in mine. lol seriously you were just used as an example as I said in my post the majority on here hate the game.