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loratadine
07-01-06, 07:11 PM
ha ha ha - no he hasnt - and he never will be

read on and find out why

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Delve commits his future to Wales*

Delve has been hotly tipped for Wales&#39; Six Nations squad
Outstanding young Bath number eight Gareth Delve has confirmed that his international hopes are with Wales.
The Cardiff-born 23-year-old qualifies for England by residency, but dreams of playing for the land of his birth.

"England is not going to happen," said Delve. "I&#39;ve been eligible for a long time but my heart&#39;s with Wales, that is where I see my international career."

Delve has been hotly tipped for a call up to the Wales Six Nations squad, due to be named on 17 January.

That would cap a remarkable fightback from an appalling series of injuries that meant he had only started three games in his five years at Bath before this season.

Delve, a product of Bristol&#39;s renowned Colston&#39;s College, has undergone shoulder reconstruction and overcome a damaged cruciate ligament in his right knee and a broken foot.

He actually made the Wales squad under Steve Hansen in 2003, playing as a substitute in the non-cap 48-35 loss to the Barbarians at the Millennium Stadium.

* The injuries did start to get me down and frustrated

Gareth Delve

He was set for the summer tour of Australia and New Zealand and the autumn World Cup, but instead underwent a second shoulder operation after injuring himself in the Baa-Baas game.

"Being called into the Welsh squad was a dream come true," Delve told BBC Sport Wales.

"For that to disappear within 24 hours and to be out of the tour and the World Cup was very hard to take, compounded by the fact that I still hadn&#39;t won a Welsh cap."

The frustration was enhanced as he saw back-rowers from his peer group advancing their careers.

"I&#39;m a bit younger than Ryan Jones and Andy Lloyd, they were always the big names in the age groups above me," said Delve, who has previously been heralded as &#39;the new Scott Quinnell&#39;.

"Ryan took his chances really well last year, to come back as the star of the Lions tour was just exceptional.

Jones&#39; surgery a success*

"He&#39;s a great bloke and we were all happy for him. It was tragic for him to aggravate that shoulder injury when he played against us in the Powergen Cup, but he&#39;ll get over it and come back even stronger next season."

Jones can surely take heart from Delve as he begins the long road to recovery.

"The injuries did start to get me down and frustrated," admitted the quietly spoken youngster.

"But the way Bath have stuck by me has meant the world to me and has made my recovery so much easier.

*
I am an ambitious guy who has always set high targets and I still feel that I can achieve them

Gareth Delve

"I hope that I showed enough between my injuries to justify their faith in me and that I&#39;m now proving them right."

Delve is, indeed, one of the form players in the Guinness Premiership, a point highlighted by a spectacular late 70m interception try in the recent win over Worcester.

"It&#39;s been great, I finally feel like I&#39;m starting to get somewhere and coming into a bit of form," said Delve.

"I think I have a pretty high work rate, a decent turn of speed, and can be physical when necessary. And I&#39;m working on all aspects of my game.

"There are great players at Bath to help me out, just look at the quality of our second row [Danny Grewcock and Steve Borthwick].

"In the Premiership you&#39;re facing a lot of players who have been the cream of the crop for a long time and they just spur you to improve.

"I know that [Wales coaches] Mike Ruddock and Scott Johnson watch a lot of the Premiership, so I don&#39;t think playing in England hurts my international prospects.

"It&#39;s nice to even be considered for the Six Nations, but for the moment the main thing is to stay injury free and to progress with Bath.

"I am an ambitious guy who has always set high targets, though, and I still feel that I can achieve them.

"There are a lot of things ahead in my rugby career that I really want to make happen and that&#39;s what has driven me.

"But after all the injuries I try not to set specific goals now, I take things as they come."

SaintsFan_Webby
07-01-06, 07:35 PM
Firstly, you&#39;ve spectacularly failed to spell "off" in the title of the thread. Congratulations.

Secondly, it isn&#39;t that much of a loss to England. Corry leads the team well from 8, and players like James Forrester are coming through to play 8 in the future.

I&#39;m sure Delve will do well though coming from Colston&#39;s, assuming he remains injury free.

Symclaw
08-01-06, 11:16 AM
James Who? ha ha, im just playin dawg. What is this Delve bloke like anywho.

Boy
08-01-06, 11:43 AM
Delve a young No.8 at Bath. Made his debut four or five years ago, but has had some horrible injuries. He&#39;s fully fit now, and has quickly become our first choice 8 over Zak Feaunati. He&#39;s a very good athlete, and is surprisingly quick (against Worcester a few weeks ago he ran in a 75m interception try, outpacing Thinus Delport).

He was never going to play for England anyway. His father&#39;s Welsh (his mother&#39;s from Hong Kong), and he&#39;d always said he wanted to play for Wales. He would have gone to the World Cup is he hadn&#39;t knackered his shoulder. The only reason this speculation came about was because someone realised the technicality that he wasn&#39;t officially capped, like the situation with Johnny O&#39;Connor a couple of years ago.

umosay
08-01-06, 11:52 AM
Wales need all the help they can Lora.

loratadine
08-01-06, 12:37 PM
*INITIATING SARCASM MODE*

yes thats right - after winning the gs and beatin australlia - we are in such a dismal state

please all the better teams loan us money

#Bom Bom#
08-01-06, 12:57 PM
We dont need that much help we still have some great players,

e.g.

Peel
Jenkins
S.Williams
Madden
D.James

Only to name a few, just coz we got heno out dont mean we need help!We still have a great second string team that can replace where players are missing. As lora rightly said we did beat Australlia with them.

loratadine
08-01-06, 01:09 PM
yeah i dont really think we need that much help to be honest - were hardyl in a state of dismay - 2004 autum series we did worse than last years and still went onto win the gs - i think the autum series helped to bring a few players into the fray - such as m.j watkins,daffyd james and lee byrne

harrison2468
08-01-06, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 8 2006, 02:09 PM
2004 autum series we did worse than last years and still went onto win the gs
Hardly. You came within a point of NZ, and 2 of SA. This year it was nowhere near as close.

It is only right that Delve is capped by Wales, but for their sake&#39;s, do it in the 6N. Otherwise, we might get him, although I doubt Robinson will ever cap any under 26 again.

loratadine
08-01-06, 01:15 PM
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif i doubt it too - but can i ask you a question - if you were an englishmen - playing in wales and wales came knocking at youre door - would you play for wales or keep trying to catch the eye of your home nation?

#Bom Bom#
08-01-06, 01:19 PM
it&#39;s true that we didn&#39;t get as close as last years but you must put into place that we had our SECOND string team out. We wee still recovering from Clives "Injury" tour to new zealand. As with most nations we had players injuryed, but we had most of our first team out.

harrison2468
08-01-06, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 8 2006, 02:15 PM
http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif i doubt it too - but can i ask you a question - if you were an englishmen - playing in wales and wales came knocking at youre door - would you play for wales or keep trying to catch the eye of your home nation?
Depends on how likely it is to be capped by his home nation - take MVG, he knows he will never be likely to be capped by NZ, so has become an Englishman, and hopefully soon an English player. In an ideal world, every would play for their home nation, but if that isn&#39;t going to happen with this nation, then international rugby is still attractive.

Symclaw
08-01-06, 07:58 PM
oh my god, were gonna pick him anyway, so it dont matter. we havent got enough strength in depth not to

#Bom Bom#
09-01-06, 06:49 PM
harrison2468, got a point if you aint going to be picked for your home nation then coming over here is a good way to get playing international rugby. It&#39;s true we need depth but we could manage without him we have some great players comeing through such as watson and if push comes to shove we could bring back some older players. For example martin madden.

loratadine
09-01-06, 07:02 PM
ha ha ha martin madden

An Tarbh
09-01-06, 07:12 PM
there&#39;s a pie machine if ever I saw one.

#Bom Bom#
09-01-06, 07:29 PM
he might be a pie machine but hes one great fella. i reckon that he should be elected for King he just great. Why he doesn&#39;t have a permit welsh place i dont know????


Proably due to his excesive eating habits and his short temper

An Tarbh
09-01-06, 07:30 PM
Well I know I&#39;m being harsh but he did have a long injury lay off so it&#39;s no wonder he took a fancy to the pies. Was amazed he made it through 70 mins on Saturday carrying that weight.

Symclaw
09-01-06, 07:45 PM
injury? i dont see why they couldnt include him as an impact player. I mean they shud experiment before 2007. Martyn Madden has got the potential to blah blah blah blah...

An Tarbh
09-01-06, 07:47 PM
sorry not his injury, his hiatus period.

loratadine
09-01-06, 07:55 PM
madden is a collosus and is undoubtably the biggest prop in the wordl at 22/23 stone

#Bom Bom#
09-01-06, 08:02 PM
i aint trying to slag him off i think that hes a great player and is one of scarlets best. like you said if you were injuryed thre you are going to tried. any player would be.

BigTen
09-01-06, 09:02 PM
I can&#39;t believe that there are players that would think:

"Hmm should I play for England or Wales?"

Surely you would either feel English or Welsh - not somewhere in between? How could you represent a country that you do not feel that you belong to? And how would that make you feel when you were facing your "other" country?

An Tarbh
09-01-06, 10:01 PM
If your country ignore you and the opportunity comes along to play international rugby then you would take it and in facing your real country you&#39;d feel you have a point to prove.

Boy
09-01-06, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by BigTen@Jan 10 2006, 10:02 AM
I can&#39;t believe that there are players that would think:

"Hmm should I play for England or Wales?"

Surely you would either feel English or Welsh - not somewhere in between? How could you represent a country that you do not feel that you belong to? And how would that make you feel when you were facing your "other" country?
To be fair, Delve has never stated that he even considered playing for England. The only reason the issue came up was because he&#39;s putting some form together, gettting the attention of international coaches and someone realised a technicality. The guy&#39;s always said he considers himself Welsh and we wants to play for Wales.

Knowing the WRU, that probably means they&#39;ll hold a gun to his head and say he has to play in Wales to get selected, even though we&#39;ve given him his rugby education and nursed him through four serious injuries.

loratadine
09-01-06, 10:09 PM
colin charvis - chris horsman - stephen jones - gareth thomas - all ply there trade outside of wales

An Tarbh
09-01-06, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Boy+Jan 9 2006, 11:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Boy @ Jan 9 2006, 11:03 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-BigTen@Jan 10 2006, 10:02 AM
I can&#39;t believe that there are players that would think:

"Hmm should I play for England or Wales?"

Surely you would either feel English or Welsh - not somewhere in between?* How could you represent a country that you do not feel that you belong to?* And how would that make you feel when you were facing your "other" country?
To be fair, Delve has never stated that he even considered playing for England. The only reason the issue came up was because he&#39;s putting some form together, gettting the attention of international coaches and someone realised a technicality. The guy&#39;s always said he considers himself Welsh and we wants to play for Wales.

Knowing the WRU, that probably means they&#39;ll hold a gun to his head and say he has to play in Wales to get selected, even though we&#39;ve given him his rugby education and nursed him through four serious injuries. [/b]
Sure there was the same thing with Johnny O&#39;Connor when it emerged that he&#39;d be eligible for England, sad thing is Eddie keeps giving him caps, if only he&#39;d realise you only need 1 cap.

Boy
10-01-06, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 10 2006, 11:09 AM
colin charvis - chris horsman - stephen jones - gareth thomas - all ply there trade outside of wales
Gareth Cooper, Gavin Thomas, Andy Williams, Andy Lloyd, Nathan Thomas, all in contract with Bath, all told by the WRU three years ago that they would only be considered for the national team if they left Bath (a full thirty miles from Wales) and joined one of the new Welsh franchises.

No one in Wales offered Charvis a deal, that&#39;s why he played at Tarbes and is now at Newcastle. Horsman lives in Wales, while Jones and Thomas were both established internationals before they moved. For a young guy like Delve, or people like Tom Cheeseman or Rhodri Davies at Saints, it will be much harder to break into the Welsh squad because they play in England.

Symclaw
10-01-06, 01:41 PM
i agree, look at parks with leeds. Apparently did a job on Neil Back last year in their shock defeat over leicester. Popham was also with leeds, but now he&#39;s with the Scarlets he suddenly gets a few call ups after about two years international wilderness.

By the way, whats this Cheeseman guy like? I met him in Cardiff last year, i wast dressed as a Liger. Quite embaressing.

Boy
10-01-06, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Symclaw@Jan 11 2006, 02:41 AM
By the way, whats this Cheeseman guy like? I met him in Cardiff last year, i wast dressed as a Liger. Quite embaressing.
In a couple of seasons Cheese is going to be an absolute quality player. He&#39;s out with an ankle injury at the minute, but he&#39;s quick, got great footwork and impressive footballing skills for a guy who&#39;s still only 19. I&#39;ve got high hopes of Barkley, Ryan Davies and Cheese as Bath 10, 12 and 13 for the next few years.

Interestingly, his dad was capped by England but played in Wales for Swansea. Cheese the Younger, playing in England, decides he&#39;s Welsh. It&#39;s not like England have a plethora of quality 13s. I&#39;d rather England poached him than Delve.

Symclaw
10-01-06, 05:19 PM
Hands off ass face!

SaintsFan_Webby
10-01-06, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Boy@Jan 10 2006, 07:07 PM
It&#39;s not like England have a plethora of quality 13s.
Jonny Clarke. Got the England 13 shirt in the bag in the future if he keeps playing the way he currently is.

Wouldn&#39;t expect Rhodri Davies to be anywhere near the Welsh squad anytime soon, he&#39;s a good little player, but still got a lot to learn about top level rugby.

loratadine
10-01-06, 05:47 PM
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Hands off ass face![/b]


http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif QUALITY

Bullitt
10-01-06, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby+Jan 10 2006, 06:28 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintsFan_Webby @ Jan 10 2006, 06:28 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-Boy@Jan 10 2006, 07:07 PM
It&#39;s not like England have a plethora of quality 13s.
Jonny Clarke. Got the England 13 shirt in the bag in the future if he keeps playing the way he currently is. [/b]
Don&#39;t be stupid. He&#39;ll never get the shirt until AR realises Tindall isn&#39;t the greatest centre ever.

Which the dappy baldy never will.

Boy
10-01-06, 10:28 PM
Just used Davies as an example as I couldn&#39;t think of any other young Welsh player in the Premiership.

Clarke certainly seems to be impressing a lot of people. Maybe eventually he&#39;ll replace Jenson Button on our school website&#39;s homepage.

I probably should have said &#39;It&#39;s not like England are willing to pick a plethora of quality 13s.&#39; Tindall&#39;s a lumbering, backstabbing, f***ing ****-house.

umosay
11-01-06, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by loratadine@Jan 9 2006, 02:37 AM
*INITIATING SARCASM MODE*

yes thats right - after winning the gs and beatin australlia - we are in such a dismal state

please all the better teams loan us money
The best Australian team in years!?

The Hardest GS to win in years!?



Oh well you did put 3 points on the best team in the world. http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

kaftka
11-01-06, 01:49 AM
Yeah, but that doesn&#39;t count umo. He doesn&#39;t believe in English tactics.

loratadine
11-01-06, 04:12 PM
thats right.

Ripper
14-01-06, 08:16 PM
So the win against Fiji doesnt count?