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TRF_Cymro
28-12-10, 10:19 PM
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Former Wallaby, Brumbies and now Toulon flanker George Smith is reported to be heading for Japan after coming to an agreement to join Japanese club Sanyo Wild Knights.

George Smith's career has not taken off as expected in Toulon after he arrived in the summer earlier this year and is now expected to leave for Japan.

La Provence newpaper has reported that the Australian flanker will leave Toulon at the end of the Top 14 season and join Sanyo Wild Knights.

The Sanyo Wild Knights were champions of Japan in 2008 and he is said to have agreed on a three-year contract with an annual salary of Euros 800 000.

http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=28227

Gavin
28-12-10, 10:35 PM
Still think he is good enough to start for Australia and was very disappoint when he left. Also I would have put money on him getting the record for most International Caps, he is only 30 yet has won 110 caps

TRF_Cymro
28-12-10, 10:38 PM
Do Australia adopt a policy of not playing in Oz = no play for the national side?

TRF_Olyy
28-12-10, 11:06 PM
€800k a year....not too shabby

TRF_Cymro
28-12-10, 11:13 PM
Well when in Toloun ....

TRF_nickdnz
29-12-10, 12:12 AM
Do Australia adopt a policy of not playing in Oz = no play for the national side?
Yes. Which is why Brock James hasn't had a look in at 1st 5/8th for Australia.

All of the Tri Nations countries used to only pick home grown talent, but SA decided to change the policy which won them a Lions series and a RWC, in order to accomidate a few average players.

TRF_Cymro
29-12-10, 12:16 AM
Yes. Which is why Brock James hasn't had a look in at 1st 5/8th for Australia.

All of the Tri Nations countries used to only pick home grown talent, but SA decided to change the policy which won them a Lions series and a RWC, in order to accomidate a few average players.

Fair, but surely now they should look abroad? I'm not with Australian rugby but are there guys coming through or are they going to play League?

TRF_nickdnz
29-12-10, 12:28 AM
Fair, but surely now they should look abroad? I'm not with Australian rugby but are there guys coming through or are they going to play League?

Fair point. They do have some talent coming through, but they seriously are relying on filling their player rosters with more and more New Zealanders or former League players.

What they need to do is get themselves a domestic competition, and give it a chance to grow.

Charles
29-12-10, 01:01 AM
Haha good luck in Japan. The rugby sucks...Easy money...

Woldog
29-12-10, 01:53 AM
Fair point. They do have some talent coming through, but they seriously are relying on filling their player rosters with more and more New Zealanders or former League players.

What they need to do is get themselves a domestic competition, and give it a chance to grow.

Cause New Zealand have never imported from Samoa, Tonga or Fiji ;)

TRF_nickdnz
29-12-10, 03:10 AM
Cause New Zealand have never imported from Samoa, Tonga or Fiji ;)
Not really. We've always home grown our players. Unfortunitly most people look at a guy with brown skin, and then make assumptions about where they've lived most of their lives. It's pretty sad.

Seaton
29-12-10, 08:22 AM
All of the Tri Nations countries used to only pick home grown talent, but SA decided to change the policy which won them a Lions series and a RWC, in order to accomidate a few average players.

Well the 'no-picky-overseas-players' policy still was around for the RWC and Lions series, so well, to put it bluntly your wrong.

Unless of course you are hoping some NZRU administrator comes onto the site and says "Oh ****, the Boks actually won stuff due to overseas players, quick, lets change our policy!"
Which of course would explain your post

TRF_nickdnz
29-12-10, 09:41 AM
Well the 'no-picky-overseas-players' policy still was around for the RWC and Lions series, so well, to put it bluntly your wrong.

Unless of course you are hoping some NZRU administrator comes onto the site and says "Oh ****, the Boks actually won stuff due to overseas players, quick, lets change our policy!"
Which of course would explain your post

And maybe you should learn to read.

I said that the "No-picky-overseas-players" policy, won them a RWC and Lions Series, and they changed it to accomidate a few players who moved over seas. I'm well and truely against selecting overseas players.

Feicarsinn
29-12-10, 09:53 AM
AGHHHH Off Topic!!!!!

Seaton
29-12-10, 10:13 AM
And maybe you should learn to ****ing read.

I said that the "No-picky-overseas-players" policy, won them a RWC and Lions Series, and they changed it to accomidate a few players who moved over seas. I'm well and truely against selecting overseas players.

****.

Oi, chill out

The original post you posted could be read 2 different ways
All of the Tri Nations countries used to only pick home grown talent, but SA decided to change the policy (which won them a Lions series and a RWC), in order to accomidate a few average players.
The bracketts clarifies it a wee bit, but without them it could read as "SA decided to change the policy which (in turn) won them a Lions series and a RWC

So its just a misunderstanding, like the Samoan training facilities thread

I apologise for calling you wrong then

And to go back on topic, another boost for Japanese rugby, with more players sure to follow
I wonder how long until Japanese matches are available on the telly in SA

TRF_Cymro
29-12-10, 10:52 AM
Is Stephen Larkham and Luke MacDonald still out there?

Intercept King JDV
29-12-10, 01:16 PM
Is Stephen Larkham and Luke MacDonald still out there?
You probably mean Leon MacDonald?According to Wikipedia he is now an assistant coach at the Tasman Makos and also that Larkham joined the Brumbies in November this year as an attack coach.

TRF_Cymro
29-12-10, 01:19 PM
You probably mean Leon MacDonald?According to Wikipedia he is now an assistant coach at the Tasman Makos and also that Larkham joined the Brumbies in November this year as an attack coach.

Ah my bad :(

Charles
29-12-10, 01:29 PM
And to go back on topic, another boost for Japanese rugby, with more players sure to follow
I wonder how long until Japanese matches are available on the telly in SA

A long time, because they suck. Really. The rugby is bad and the armosphere is non existant.

Seaton
29-12-10, 02:32 PM
A long time, because they suck. Really. The rugby is bad and the armosphere is non existant.



Ah crap, new it wasn't long until the Japanese caught up with Scots rugby

TRF_Cymro
29-12-10, 02:38 PM
Charles out of curiosity does Daisuke Ohata still play for Japan or in Japan?

TRF_nickdnz
29-12-10, 10:18 PM
Charles out of curiosity does Daisuke Ohata still play for Japan or in Japan?

Another question on that topic, for a guy who is the worlds leading test try scorer (regardless of opposition), I've only ever seen him play one game before, and he didn't score. Is there any footage, anywhere, of him playing rugby? I've seen him on a Japanese game show, but other than that...

TRF_nickdnz
29-12-10, 10:30 PM
Another question on that topic, for a guy who is the worlds leading test try scorer (regardless of opposition), I've only ever seen him play one game before, and he didn't score. Is there any footage, anywhere, of him playing rugby? I've seen him on a Japanese game show, but other than that...

After another look, I've found a little bt of footage. Here is uni and club games, and a length of the field try against Scotland in 7's


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28C8nrkaANc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDU0PgQnMPI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz_24dgrxh4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O5206ErTuc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuduzxkFd6s&feature=related

TRF_Cymro
29-12-10, 10:37 PM
Not gonna lie but some of those tries are well taken. However if he was really that good he would have played some form of better standard of rugby either in the NH or SH?

TRF_nickdnz
29-12-10, 10:41 PM
Not gonna lie but some of those tries are well taken. However if he was really that good he would have played some form of better standard of rugby either in the NH or SH?

I added a try against Scotland. I agree with you in many ways. I think he was a good winger, but he's not the winger his record would suggest. I think had Jonah Lomu, Christian Cullen, Shane Williams etc, played against the same opposition, they'd have a much higher try tally than Ohata's. I would have loved to see him play in the S14/Top14/Aviva Premiership/Magners League, I think that would be the only way of seeing what he was actually capable of.

Charles
31-12-10, 04:35 AM
Not gonna lie but some of those tries are well taken. However if he was really that good he would have played some form of better standard of rugby either in the NH or SH?

There's numerous reasons as to why you never see japanese players in Europe or in the Sh.

First, there is no true professional player in Japan. All the teams are company clubs and the players are employees, actually working in the company while training and playing rugby. They are destined to work in the company once they are finished playing. So going abroad would make it very difficult for them to get back in the system afterwards.

In terms of rugby, Japan is very much closer culturally to the Sh. European clubs and players are even less known than their SH counterparts, and that's saying something. However, it is extremely difficult to get a foreigner S14 spot in Nz or Aus (assuming you're good enough), and the money is just not good enough in SA or ITM cup compared to Japan.

And finally, Japan is an island, and it has very much the island mentality thing. Japanese are somehow social inepts outside of their little bubble, and many fear the outside world. If you think I'm joking, you ain't been here. They are much more confortable staying in their comfort zone. Japan is a risk-adverse society. Even in soccer the best players prefer to be the big fish in the small pond rather than go to Europe, realise they suck and warm the bench for 2 years.
On top of that, the rugby world in japan is very conservative, self-centered and completely deluded (not just the rugby). For example, the big thing here is University rugby, where everybody can watch and rejoice in glory about how good the teams are bla bla bla. And then they don't understand when they lose against Samoa B in Tokyo...

So, I rambled a bit but I hope you got the point...