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elgringoborracho
21-02-11, 10:42 AM
Rugbyrama.fr



Info Midi Olympique : le deuxième ligne des Springboks Bakkies Botha (31 ans, 72 sélections) a signé un contrat avec le RCT ce week-end. Il s'est engagé pour trois ans et débarquera après le Mondial. L'information devrait être officialisée par le président Boudjellal d'ici 24 heures.

Cette fois-ci, ce sera la bonne : Bakkies Botha rejoindra bien les bords de la Rade à l'issue de la prochaine Coupe du monde en Nouvelle-Zélande. Selon Midi Olympique, il a paraphé son contrat ce week-end en Afrique du Sud et le RCT devrait le recevoir d'ici quelques jours. Le joueur de Pretoria débarquera probablement en décembre 2011, comme devrait l'annoncer Mourad Boudjellal dans les prochaines heures.

Toulon et Botha, c'est une vieille histoire. En 2007-2008 déjà, le président varois avait souhaité l'enrôler. Il y même était parvenu puisque le champion du monde s'était engagé à venir à partir de mars 2008 pour rejoindre son coéquipier chez les Boks, Victor Matfield. Mais il n'avait finalement pas pu tenir sa parole, les Bulls refusant de rompre son contrat. Juste partie remise donc pour le RCT, qui réussit là un nouveau gros coup sur le marché des transferts après la signature de "l'utility back" australien Matt Giteau il y a quelques jours.

Un palmarès bien rempli

A 31 ans, Bakkies Botha (2m02, 121 kg) compte 72 sélections avec les Springboks, dont la première remonte à 2002 contre... la France ! Son palmarès est bien rempli : outre son titre de champion du monde décroché en 2007, il a aussi remporté deux Curries Cup (2002 et 2009) et trois Super 14 avec les Bulls (2007, 2009, 2010).

Puissant, adroit et rapide, il forme la paire de deuxième ligne la plus performante du monde aux côtés de Matfield. Réputé pour sa rudesse dans le jeu, il a aussi les défauts de ses qualités. Il a ainsi manqué la totalité des derniers Tri-Nations en raison d'une suspension de neuf semaines. Il avait été sanctionné pour un vilain coup de tête au néo-Zélandais Jimmy Cowan juste après une suspension de quatre semaines pour un mauvais geste sur Gio Aplon en Super 14. Avant cela, il sortait d'une saison quasiment blanche en raison d'une blessure à un tendon d'Achille.

Il était toutefois parvenu à faire son retour en équipe nationale lors des derniers tests de novembre, qu'il a disputés en intégralité. Et il était titulaire avec les Bulls le week-end dernier pour la première journée du Super 15. A quelques mois de la Coupe du monde, Bakkies Botha se refait une santé. Au plus grand bonheur des Toulonnais.



No articles in English so far but Rugbyrama are generally right. Botha signed a 3 years contract with Toulon this morning, to start after the WC.

TRF_Olyy
21-02-11, 10:44 AM
Booooooooo!
After USAP Toulon were my favourite Top14 team

Now I hate them.

Logorrhea
21-02-11, 12:01 PM
Booooooooo!
After USAP Toulon were my favourite Top14 team

Now I hate them.
You had a second favourite team in France?

Charles
21-02-11, 12:48 PM
Booooooooo!
After USAP Toulon were my favourite Top14 team

Now I hate them.

You should support Montpellier they are great.

TRF_Olyy
21-02-11, 01:14 PM
My parents live just outside Perpignan so I'm locked to them :p
However I'm not a "USAP and anyone playing Toulon" fan :p

elgringoborracho
21-02-11, 01:17 PM
You should support Montpellier they are great.

+1

TRF_Hulkster
07-03-11, 01:45 PM
Bakkies Botha signs for star-studded Toulon (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/9417129.stm)

Jockstap
07-03-11, 02:07 PM
So at the moment they could already field a team of

15 Palisson
14 Sackey
13 Henson
12 Giteau
11 Wolf
10 Wilkinson
9 Mignoni
8 Van Nierkerk
7 Smith
6 Fernandez Lobbe
5 Botha
4 Schofield
3 Hayman
2 Bruno
1 Emmanuelli

and it's safe to say that they're nowhere near finished with their acquistions, whoever said money can't buy you happiness was a berk.

TRF_Hulkster
07-03-11, 02:14 PM
So at the moment they could already field a team of

15 Palisson
14 Sackey
13 Henson
12 Giteau
11 Wolf
10 Wilkinson
9 Mignoni
8 Van Nierkerk
7 Smith
6 Fernandez Lobbe
5 Botha
4 Schofield
3 Hayman
2 Bruno
1 Emmanuelli

and it's safe to say that they're nowhere near finished with their acquistions, whoever said money can't buy you happiness was a berk.

Mignoni is retiring end of the season, think they have signed Sébastien Tillous-Borde who is a scrum half and replace him.

stormer2010
07-03-11, 02:35 PM
So the first choice XV would probably contain 3, max 4 French players. Somehow that doesn't feel right and I would feel shortchanged if I were a Toulon supporter to some extent. I appreciate that they want as good a team as possible but this seems like overkill and I am of the opinion that it is bad for French rugby in the long run.

Charles
07-03-11, 02:48 PM
It is very bad for french rugby in the long run, but it is unavoidable for structural reasons.

Put it this way, there is not enough high level french players to fill up 14 rosters. It's as simple as that. What do you do when you've got ambitions and French high profile players don't want to come to your club? You get foreigners...

I think we're not very far from a Top 12, 3 years max.

munstermuffin
07-03-11, 03:32 PM
I've a feeling this will end in disaster

stormer2010
07-03-11, 03:54 PM
It is very bad for french rugby in the long run, but it is unavoidable for structural reasons.

Put it this way, there is not enough high level french players to fill up 14 rosters. It's as simple as that. What do you do when you've got ambitions and French high profile players don't want to come to your club? You get foreigners...

I think we're not very far from a Top 12, 3 years max.


Fair enough and I guess it isn't such a problem if the most teams do have mostly French players. In SA we can only manage 4/5 competitive teams so I guess I can understand your point.

TRF_Hulkster
08-07-11, 11:52 AM
Botha unveiled by Toulon (http://www.espnscrum.com/francetop14-2010-11/rugby/story/143100.html)

http://www.rctoulon.com/files/news/Bakkies_botha_Une.jpg

http://www.rctoulon.com/files/Botha_texte2.jpg

http://www.rctoulon.com/files/Bakkies_Botha-dedicace.jpg

http://www.rctoulon.com/files/news/maillot_RCT2011_2012.jpg

Images Courtesy of http://www.rctoulon.com

TRF_Olyy
08-07-11, 12:06 PM
Booooooooooooooo

psychic duck
08-07-11, 12:40 PM
So at the moment they could already field a team of

15 Palisson
14 Sackey
13 Henson
12 Giteau
11 Wolf
10 Wilkinson
9 Mignoni
8 Van Nierkerk
7 Smith
6 Fernandez Lobbe
5 Botha
4 Schofield
3 Hayman
2 Bruno
1 Emmanuelli


a few changes, some of those players (Smith, Mignoni, Wulf, Henson, Sackey have left and they pick Kubriashvili over Hayman)

this will be their team for 2011/12 (note they are still trying to sign Bastareaud)

15. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/SCO.gif Rory Lamont (24 caps)
14. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Alexis Palisson (14 caps)
13. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FJI.gif Gabiriele Lovobalavu (12 caps)
12. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/AUS.gif Matt Giteau (91 caps)
11. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/NZL.gif David Smith
10. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/ENG.gif Jonny Wilkinson (85 caps)
09. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Sébastien Tillous-Borde (8 caps)
01. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Laurent Emmanuelli
02. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Sébastien Bruno (26 caps)
03. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/GEO.gif Davit Kubriashvili (15 caps)
04. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/RSA.gif Bakkies Botha (72 caps)
05. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Jocelino Suta
06. 1024 Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe (39 caps)
07. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/ENG.gif Steffon Armitage (5 caps)
08. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/RSA.gif Joe van Niekerk (52 caps)

16. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Jean-Philippe Genevois
17. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/WAL.gif Eifion Roberts (1 cap)
18. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Christophe Samson
19. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FJI.gif Seva Rokobaro (4 caps)
20. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Fabien Cibray
21. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/NZL.gif Willie Mason
22. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/JPN.gif Christian Loamanu (14 caps)
23. http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/NZL.gif Carl Hayman (45 caps)

Reserves:
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Romain Frou
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Mickaël Ivaldi
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Jean-Charles Orioli
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/ENG.gif Dean Schofield (2 caps)
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/ENG.gif Kris Chesney
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/AUS.gif Jone Tawake
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/ENG.gif Joe El Abd
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Olivier Missoup
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/AUS.gif Matt Henjak (4 caps)
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/RSA.gif André Pretorius* (31 caps)
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Julien Dumora
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Geoffroy Messina
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/TGA.gif Mafile'o Kefu*
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/AUS.gif Luke Rooney
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Jérémy Sinzelle
http://www.irb.com/imgml/IRB/flags/s/FRA.gif Benjamin Lapeyre

*during World Cup period

in my opinion it's weaker than last season due to the departure of George Smith

TRF_Olyy
08-07-11, 12:53 PM
If Toulon do get Bastareaud's signature it'll be interesting to see who out of him and Giteau will get the 12 shirt
I reckon it should go to Bastareaud, but after shelling out the big bucks on Giteau you wouldn't just want him on the bench (if that)

ZeFrenchy
08-07-11, 01:14 PM
Has Bastareaud said he wants to play 12? In Paris and for France he has always played 13, but for the Baabaas he played 12, and in a "southern" style tem he should play 12 too... Perhaps Giteau at 9? Or he would refuse?

TRF_Olyy
08-07-11, 01:29 PM
Ah, I thought Bastareaud was in inside, not outside for some reason
That settles it then :p

TNT88
08-07-11, 02:22 PM
Perhaps Giteau at 9? Or he would refuse?

I doubt he would want to play 9. Not sure how he compares to Bastareaud, Toulon should probably give them both a few runs inside Wilkinson in the pre season to see who fits in better.

ZeFrenchy
08-07-11, 02:41 PM
Ah, I thought Bastareaud was in inside, not outside for some reason
That settles it then :p

Mine was an honest question though, it seemed odd at the beginning to see him play 12, but many people seem to think that's where he's best suited (see http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_7023108,00.html for instance)

TRF_Olyy
08-07-11, 02:53 PM
He does seem, on paper, to be a traditional crash ball centre,
However he does work well at 13, so with Giteau inside him I think he should go well

TRF_nickdnz
08-07-11, 03:14 PM
I think he is better suited as an inside centre, although he played at outside centre during his best period for the 2009 Six Nations.

stormer2010
08-07-11, 03:48 PM
He does seem, on paper, to be a traditional crash ball centre,
However he does work well at 13, so with Giteau inside him I think he should go well

Yeah, Giteau is a playmaker as much as a linebreaker- maybe more even- so maybe they will work well together.

TNT88
08-07-11, 04:08 PM
Eventually Giteau will pick up an injury throughout the season as well, so both will get a good number of games at 12. (Just a guess, but i doubt Giteau will be able to last the whole French season without an injury).

welshglory
14-07-11, 08:39 AM
The french tend to be play footballers at 12 and the crashers at 13 it seems to suit there style. So that may be why they insist on playing Bastareaud at 13, but at Toulon there not very conventional so i would like to see him at 12 but Gits will probably play there because of his price.

Anyway if Toulon want to have immediate success signing a player like Botha isn't exactly going to hinder them. That is if he stays on the field