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St Helens RLFC
30-01-06, 09:44 AM
http://www.saintsrlfc.com/report_popup.asp?id=102

Sounds like a good debut!

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
30-01-06, 10:26 AM
he will do well over there...

slow az acceleration on counter attacks and scramble defence but against any defence he can knock out any player at any given time

he is one of the most damaging tacklers in rugby league...(what was that wesser?..what was that tate?..nothing..just look at the stars coz you got owned)..

i miss the 2003 meli when he destroyed any opposing winger for the warriors..and then drifted away slowly in 04 and finally in 05..i hope he returns to his top form..we need more depth in the kiwiz in the backline

Wally
30-01-06, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Jan 30 2006, 10:26 PM
he is one of the most damaging tacklers in rugby league...(what was that wesser?..what was that tate?..nothing..just look at the stars coz you got owned)..
There is no way Meli is anywhere near the player that Wesser and Tate are..

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
30-01-06, 12:12 PM
did i say he was?...he knocked out both of them wit his hammer shoulder charges..

he owns tate whenever they play against each other,hes run thru tate,smacked em over and i remember in 03 when he put tate in the hospital for concussion..becoz i was RIGHT THERE witnessing his sorry ass get carried off to the ambulance

also that wesser one was illegal(late tackle)...but wesser was knocked out for like 10minutes..poor sod

meli will be doin sum more crunching hits in the sl..he will be one to watch especially under daniel anderson as they had great chemistry when they worked together at the warriors...

St Helens RLFC
30-01-06, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Jan 30 2006, 10:26 PM
i miss the 2003 meli when he destroyed any opposing winger for the warriors..and then drifted away slowly in 04 and finally in 05..i hope he returns to his top form..we need more depth in the kiwiz in the backline
I'd love the 2003 Meli, he carved up the NRL. I know Dan Anderson got the best out of him, I just hope he can do the same again. An on song Franny Meli is as important to the team as the pacy winger that was Darren Albert.

The winner of Sonny Bill Williams vs Franny Meli in a shoulder charge?

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
30-01-06, 11:00 PM
sonny bill williams by a mile..

meli is the blindshot/spot tackle specialist...70% of melis charges are pulled off becoz of his timing and the suprise factor...when he hits you he hits you hard...and some players dont ever see it coming even tho they expect it

sonny bill..just smashes anyone who runs straight towards him...meli is a backline player and he knocks out wingers and centres,sonny bill hammers the big boys and does it frequently..the infamous mash up of joel clinton and the smackdown he layed on frank pritchard..you dont get bigger than that

also went overseas and smacked some those british guys up...poor poor marcus bai..also introduced clinton toopi to his shoulder and clinton doesnt want to date that shoulder ever again

sonny bill is programmed to smash anything that runs towards him from an opposing side...including players,there waterboys,side line management,opposing teams fans,mini vans,rocket ships...throw it at em and he will give it go

sad thing is he is very injury prone and the more hard work he does the more wear n tear it has on his body...
we havent seen the best of him yet

Otara
31-01-06, 06:25 AM
Yea SB is a great tackler...if he can get on the field...

All i can remember of 2003 Meli is 5 tries against the Dogs in the finals and not to mention some great games against great opponents...Broncos


Otara

umosay
31-01-06, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Wally+Jan 30 2006, 11:49 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wally @ Jan 30 2006, 11:49 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Jan 30 2006, 10:26 PM
he is one of the most damaging tacklers in rugby league...(what was that wesser?..what was that tate?..nothing..just look at the stars coz you got owned)..
There is no way Meli is anywhere near the player that Wesser and Tate are.. [/b]
Last time i checked Wesser was a FB and Tate is a (injured) Centre.

Too bad he couldn&#39;t handle Vatuvei in the TN final.

Wally
31-01-06, 07:20 AM
Since when did you have to play the same position in the backline to be able to compare players? Besides, all three players have played wing at some stage in their careers.

And what&#39;s a TN final?

St Helens RLFC
31-01-06, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Jan 31 2006, 11:00 AM
also went overseas and smacked some those british guys up...poor poor marcus bai..
Umm.... Marcus Bai is from down your way.... but that was the biggest shoulder charge I&#39;ve ever seen!

Gay-Guy
31-01-06, 08:42 AM
But Meli paid a price with his hits. Lots of tries were scored on his wing when he chose to come in for the hit on the centre and leave his man unmarked. A smarter winger would have drifted out and trusted their insides to get thier men while he stayed on his man.

An even smarter winger knows exactly when to leave the wing and come in and when to drift out. Unfortunately those wingers played for teams against the Warriors.

So our defence was better in the tri nations. Our new wings were defending a little bit smarter than Meli. Their best effort where they got their decisions right was the TN final.

Lest we forget.....24 - 0

St Helens RLFC
31-01-06, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Gay-Guy@Jan 31 2006, 08:42 PM
But Meli paid a price with his hits. Lots of tries were scored on his wing when he chose to come in for the hit on the centre and leave his man unmarked. A smarter winger would have drifted out and trusted their insides to get thier men while he stayed on his man.

An even smarter winger knows exactly when to leave the wing and come in and when to drift out. Unfortunately those wingers played for teams against the Warriors.
I have heard such worrying things about his defence.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
31-01-06, 12:09 PM
well in 2003 with daniel anderson in full control..there was no problem

well if you have great centres and an even better coverage fullback like ivan cleary than you will get the guds from meli...by letting him do hes thang

St Helens RLFC
31-01-06, 02:52 PM
We&#39;ve got the best full back in Super League, and Jamie Lyon as well as Willie Talau...

Gay-Guy
31-01-06, 05:44 PM
But with Meli you need a team type of a centre on defence who will talk to him and tell him when to stay out. I think he and Toopi were too freindly too each ither a lot.....Toopi should have been screaming at him and swearing for him to stay out sometimes.

However in fairness to Meli a lot of times it was Toopi&#39;s fault on defence back in their bad days. Cos Jones would struggle (being so small) and Toopi was struggling (he wa still learning tackling) Meli wold be left with these 3 on 1 overlaps.

When the trust has gone everything starts to go downhill

wigan_rlfc
31-01-06, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by St Helens RLFC@Jan 31 2006, 02:52 PM
We&#39;ve got the best full back in Super League,
Who was totally burned off by Ali Lauititi. You can&#39;t beat Radlinski on top-form (as far as fullbacks go).

St Helens RLFC
31-01-06, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by wigan_rlfc+Feb 1 2006, 08:49 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wigan_rlfc @ Feb 1 2006, 08:49 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-St Helens RLFC@Jan 31 2006, 02:52 PM
We&#39;ve got the best full back in Super League,
Who was totally burned off by Ali Lauititi. You can&#39;t beat Radlinski on top-form (as far as fullbacks go). [/b]
Kris "overrated ginger tosser" Radlinski is 3 years past his prime. When was the last time, indeed, that we saw "the fully fit Kris Radlinski"? Pace isn&#39;t everything - it helps certainly, but I don&#39;t think there is a full back in the world with positional sense as good as Paul Wellens.

And before you Aussies type up a fuss - I don&#39;t think that Minichello&#39;s positional sense is anything special. It&#39;s actually very ordinary. But his pace and strength means that it&#39;s never exploited.

Radlinski&#39;s one on one tackling as at best average, at worst an absolute disgrace. He&#39;s not called "The Ginger Doormat" for no reason. He&#39;s another one with inadequate sense of positioning, and he DOES get caught out. Don&#39;t get me wrong, he&#39;s good, but he is nothing like as good as he used to be and he never will be again.

Wellens > Radlinski

wigan_rlfc
31-01-06, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by St Helens RLFC+Jan 31 2006, 09:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Jan 31 2006, 09:10 PM)</div>

Originally posted by wigan_rlfc@Feb 1 2006, 08:49 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-St Helens RLFC@Jan 31 2006, 02:52 PM
We&#39;ve got the best full back in Super League,
Who was totally burned off by Ali Lauititi. You can&#39;t beat Radlinski on top-form (as far as fullbacks go).
Kris "overrated ginger tosser" Radlinski is 3 years past his prime. When was the last time, indeed, that we saw "the fully fit Kris Radlinski"? Pace isn&#39;t everything - it helps certainly, but I don&#39;t think there is a full back in the world with positional sense as good as Paul Wellens.

And before you Aussies type up a fuss - I don&#39;t think that Minichello&#39;s positional sense is anything special. It&#39;s actually very ordinary. But his pace and strength means that it&#39;s never exploited.

Radlinski&#39;s one on one tackling as at best average, at worst an absolute disgrace. He&#39;s not called "The Ginger Doormat" for no reason. He&#39;s another one with inadequate sense of positioning, and he DOES get caught out. Don&#39;t get me wrong, he&#39;s good, but he is nothing like as good as he used to be and he never will be again.

Wellens > Radlinski [/b]
Do you really think that Radlinski would have lasted so long as Wigan and GB first choice if his tackling was average at best?

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
01-02-06, 01:07 AM
minichello > super league


shhhh.....

Wally
01-02-06, 06:51 AM
What are you talking about Helen? Minichello&#39;s posi sense is outstanding. You don&#39;t see the bloke take too many pills on the bounce.

The TRUTH
01-02-06, 07:00 AM
http://www.governor.state.mn.us/kids/fishing%20cartoon.gifMAYBE??

St Helens RLFC
01-02-06, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by wigan_rlfc@Feb 1 2006, 09:37 AM
Do you really think that Radlinski would have lasted so long as Wigan and GB first choice if his tackling was average at best?
Have Britain and GB had any better alternatives, until Wellens came along?

St Helens RLFC
01-02-06, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by Wally@Feb 1 2006, 06:51 PM
What are you talking about Helen? Minichello&#39;s posi sense is outstanding. You don&#39;t see the bloke take too many pills on the bounce.
I don&#39;t honestly think it is. But it doesn&#39;t matter - his pace resolves the situation. He&#39;s the best in the world, but he isn&#39;t perfect.

Otara
01-02-06, 10:41 AM
Willie Talau?? Hes sucessful in Super League? God, he mustve picked up his form or Super League has dropped alot since i last followed a season.

St Helens RLFC
01-02-06, 10:49 AM
He does a job. Very solid defensively, too greedy attacking. He&#39;s alright.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
01-02-06, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by St Helens RLFC+Jan 31 2006, 08:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Jan 31 2006, 08:23 PM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Jan 31 2006, 11:00 AM

also went overseas and smacked some those british guys up...poor poor marcus bai..
Umm.... Marcus Bai is from down your way.... but that was the biggest shoulder charge I&#39;ve ever seen! [/b]
NO...marcus bai retired,hes old and smelly..hes from england now http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/gnagna.gif

http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/lol2tn.gif

wigan_rlfc
01-02-06, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by St Helens RLFC+Feb 1 2006, 08:16 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (St Helens RLFC @ Feb 1 2006, 08:16 AM)</div>
<!--QuoteBegin-wigan_rlfc@Feb 1 2006, 09:37 AM

Do you really think that Radlinski would have lasted so long as Wigan and GB first choice if his tackling was average at best?
Have Britain and GB had any better alternatives, until Wellens came along? [/b]
Wellens only gets GB places as Radlinski has been injured, Radlinski never lost his place to Wellens. If you want to see poor defence from Wellens just look at last years tri-nations. The Kiwi&#39;s ran rings round him.

St Helens RLFC
02-02-06, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by wigan_rlfc@Feb 2 2006, 03:20 AM
Wellens only gets GB places as Radlinski has been injured, Radlinski never lost his place to Wellens. If you want to see poor defence from Wellens just look at last years tri-nations. The Kiwi&#39;s ran rings round him.
How do you know that? You can&#39;t go around saying that because Sadlinski was injured and therefore you can&#39;t compare them on form. Wellens had a much better season than Radlinski last season, and in 2004, and should have been picked above him on FORM.

I&#39;ve not said that Wellens played well in the tournament - all I&#39;m saying is that he&#39;s the best fullback in Britain.

Get Dressed
06-02-06, 09:50 AM
Best full back in Britain? or best British full back?

If the former I&#39;m sure Mr Peachey would have a few words about that.

knowsleyroader
06-02-06, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Get Dressed@Feb 6 2006, 09:50 PM
Best full back in Britain? or best British full back?

If the former I&#39;m sure Mr Peachey would have a few words about that.
Only a very few though and he would probably whisper ;)

St Helens RLFC
07-02-06, 08:37 AM
Peachey is a fantastic full back. But is he a few years past his best? I cannot believe he signed for Widnes and will play in the league below Super League.

knowsleyroader
08-02-06, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by St Helens RLFC@Feb 7 2006, 08:37 PM
Peachey is a fantastic full back. But is he a few years past his best? I cannot believe he signed for Widnes and will play in the league below Super League.
Strange indeed. Quiet life ? :D

St Helens RLFC
09-02-06, 08:59 AM
He won&#39;t think that when he&#39;s been to Whitehaven and froze his balls off!