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Getofmeland
28-07-11, 10:34 PM
Right as some of you may know I was lucky enough to be given the chance to play Rugby Challenge, also it was a stroke of luck that I was up in London the night before to play Rugby World Cup 2011 with a few guys from staff. I was planning to compare these two games, but feel there is no need to compare them, as this review will explain.

I have been a strong believer that 2 games coming out this year is to the benefit of Rugby as a sport and as a viable genre in the gaming market, we all know why 2 games are aiming to be released this year, as it is the biggest event in the Rugby Calendar and brings Rugby to the world stage, one specifically targeting that area and the other going for the club and a couple of big International licences. So I will start off with the easy stuff, when I got in the room and met up with Billy from HES, he asked what console do you want to see this on, so to be fair I decided to go for the Xbox 360 rather than the PS3, the first loading screens are Jonah Lomu motion captured, these start off as Lomu as default against a random team, this was England in this instance, we then went into the settings and modified this background to show London Irish against another Random Team, these are usually another opposing club side from the same tournament, I believe this was still using the motion capture from Lomu, showing some big hits and hand-offs, very nice to look at graphically straight away, not much difference between PS3 and Xbox 360 tho.

Billy then went on to showing me the features of the game, we all know that these are the tournaments, online play, Team/Player Editor, Tutorials, Individual Match and Season mode. So straight away a lot of features to get to grips with, we started off looking at the Tutorials Section, where there is basics to pro tutorials to teach you everything about the game that a beginner would want to know, there is even a 2 minute video explaining the rules of the game of rugby, and finally a free play section, which allows you to run round with your players pass and practice the stuff you just learnt in the tutorials. I quite like the free play section but after the first play of the game this won't get used much after, as there is a free play mode whilst the game starts up. The next area we looked at was the player editor, this is something I liked quite a bit, the ability to create your own team will allow you to replicate the teams which are licensed or even your mates in your local team, the facial editor is superb, lots of detail has gone in to this, I would happily say this is better than the Fifa editor. Just to cover the other areas off obviously we are all aware of the the following teams/competition are Licenced: Aviva Premiership, Magners League (Rabodirect thingy), Top 14, New Zealand, Australia, ITM Cup and the NZ/Aus teams in SupeRugby, these are selectable in the Tournament Mode and Season Mode. The Season Mode is spread over 13 seasons, which covers both Club and International, within the season mode you can select to follow either a Club or an International team or both.

Now onto the bit you have all been waiting for, how does the gameplay, what are the features in there and what are the positives and what are the negatives...

First game I played, I choose my Favourite team Bath Rugby and after some gentle persuasion Billy suggested I played against New Zealand on very easy to get a feel of the game, so at the start of the game, we get to see a visually stunning Haka, which is really realistic, this is obviously only if you play as New Zealand. Once the game got underway, I slowly picked up the controls, there are a few differences to RWC 2011 but this was soon ironed out. The first thing I noticed was the passing the majority of the time it was quite smooth, however there was the occasional stray pass, but that's to be expected tho, this didn't just happen just to the player it happens to the AI as well, however I noticed this continues right the way through the skill levels of the game as well. Next was the defence this is something that I found difficult to get to grips with especially with the switching of active players, I found the B button being rather annoying, would of potentially liked a trigger, but this is by the by, the next thing with this is the fact the player selected is usually not the closest player to the ball, this may just be my experience of it, but I found this rather annoying as it made it awkward to defend against.

Now to start talking about the breakdown, there has been a lot of talk about the rucking system, and how it is not a button bashing system, I discovered otherwise, I found the harder and faster that you pressed the button, the more likely you are to win the ruck, I think there are some attribute based advantages in this, but I managed to turn over a ball when it was the opposition looked like they would win the ball. You have 2 options, one being going in Hard and one Normal. As far as I could see there was no way to change the method of play at the Breakdown, which means there is no pick and drive, no quick ball if you get isolated, also I noticed there was no way of causing an infringement either in the ruck. The method that has been put into this could of worked but I think the balance is biased towards button bashing.

The next area was the set plays, when I first saw the gameplay video, I really liked the look of the scrums as it looked like they had done something very special with them, however I don't think they have gone far enough with this feature, they have created a contest with the Scrum, using the 2 analogue sticks, however this requires you to push them at the same time in the radar, this is skill based, however you have no control of when the ball is put in and hooking the ball. I may have missed it but I also found it very difficult to wheel the scrum and collapse the scrum, which is now quite a big part of the modern game. All in All I think they have made a good addition to this but feel it could of gone further. Staying on the set plays, I really liked the lineouts in the game, the ability to move the line back and forth and the throwing direction have revolutionised the Lineouts in my opinion, it adds another aspect of the game, and doesn't slow the game down a bit, they have however missed a trick with the lineouts by not including the a quick lineout option, this is going and does slow down the pace of the game.

Looking at Mauls, I found it difficult to form a Maul in the game, this may be down to the fact of the opportunities arising in the game, but when I did I found the method to be rather clunky, having to press A to add players to the maul and X to drive the maul, this made them very rigid, I was unable to work out whether you could direct the maul, or even collapse the Maul. I would need to play more before I could make a judgement on them in the context of the game.

Kicking... Well now this was something I was unsure from the start if I am honest not sure I liked the fact that it slowed the play down, so you could concentrate on a kick, thought this would make it very easy to judge kicks and take some of the skill and speed away, to start off with I thought I was right but the more I played the better it got, I wouldn't suggest it is the best method, but the ability to take some time to place the kick is great, however this is likely to de-skill people when they start playing the game online, if the slow down feature is disabled. There are two methods of taking a kick a quick button press and a press and hold method, I found the quick button press didn't really work well for me, the kicks weren't directed in anyway which becomes annoying however the press and hold method did work for me, the animations around the kicking are superb and its obviously an area they have taken a lot of time in. In terms of styles of kicks you have punt, drop, grubber, chip and Up and Under, these are now apparent to be standard kicks in all rugby games. When you do slow the kick down, press and hold, this shows the wind conditions in front of you allowing you to adjust your kick for your needs, this is handy, when kicking for touch or a drop goal. As for the place kicking you have the ability to place the kick wherever you like, but in terms of aiming your kick, thats all your doing your not deciding the length, this is done using the A button with the similar kind of system used for the Scrum, this is rather annoying in my opinion.

The only other things that it leaves me to talk about is the camera angles, I played around with them a bit to try and find the one which suited me best, there is a lot to choose from but the best for me was the end on vision, this was quite a high view which game you good spacial awareness of the pitch, however the downside with this view is when you make a break, you get an almost Be A Pro style camera angle, which is cool, but just not practical for Rugby in my opinion, you do have the ability to turn this off if you want to. Having tried playing with the side on camera, I found this very hard to get on with, it was extremely difficult to judge kicks and also the running play of the game, it was almost quite a rigid and shallow angle, but like I said above the end on works really well, enabling you to see the entire screen. Semi-Related to the camera angles is the fact that when you do get a player sin-binned there is no indication you or the opposition have a player in the bin, this is something small but I would of liked, it would enable you to tell you have the advantage, and potentially look for the exploit in the defence.

Now to talk about one of my favourite bits, the ability to hold up a try, this is something which is currently missing in RWC 2011, and we noticed several times when playing it yesterday, however Rugby Challenge have got this right, they allow the players to tackle in the in goal area and make that try saving tackle. I know this is only a small part of the game, but I think it does make it very realistic.

I think I have covered the majority of things, but feel free to ask questions on this. I have written this as a completely unbiased opinion, and with its faults there are some very strong positives, we have to remember this is SIDHE's first Rugby Union game they have made and I think that is very important, this game will create a good platform for them to build on, they have some of the basics working well but they also lack some of the fundamentals of the game working. I really enjoyed playing the game, and will be buying it, purely for the season mode and the licences, but then I will also be getting RWC 2011 for the gameplay and the core game. As I keep saying these two games are going to help each other and develop both games and the genre of Rugby Gaming, I think we have an exciting couple of years ahead.

Just a massive Thank You to Mario, Sebastian and Billy for arranging today, it was great to be able to play the game, and I hope you find this review informative, and be able to build on the foundation you are currently laying.

There is currently no release date for Rugby Challenge, but it will be available on Xbox360 and PS3 as well several other formats, I also think its worthwhile noting this was not played on the final build of the game, the version I played is about a week out of date...

jmaher92
28-07-11, 10:47 PM
Great review, enjoyed reading it :) the only thing i disagree with is the button mashing at the rucks, i didn't find it useful during my playing. Oh and i quite liked the simple approach to goal kicking. But i'm sure all will become clear once everyone gets their hands on the game:D One thing, what did you make of the offloads and running lines? I thought they were, along with th presentation, the most impressive features.

j-dawg
28-07-11, 10:49 PM
What does Englands strip look like?

TRF_Olyy
28-07-11, 10:50 PM
Good review!

Sad to hear that Sidecam isn't great - I don't really like end on view in the League games

04perryo
28-07-11, 10:51 PM
Great review but did you see worcesters rating in the game and if you did wat was it?

samlockstone
28-07-11, 10:51 PM
The Season Mode is spread over 13 seasons, which covers both Club and International, within the season mode you can select to follow either a Club or an International team or both.

did you get to see much of how Season Mode actually works at all?

Dougydeluxe
28-07-11, 10:52 PM
Wow, sounds good. It has confirmed that I will be buying both. I am also really pumped on the fact that RC is really strong in some places and week in others, it allows for both companies to now look at each otherís games and really come up with something different.

If they both come out with a new game in the coming years, I would expect this "friendly" competition to turn into somewhat as a rivalry. There will now have been a bench mark made and the company that comes out with a combination of the two games is likely to become the front runner (if EA pick the winner and start backing it as their own).

Once again, great review, sounded very much unbiased and I can't wait to play both games.

Getofmeland
28-07-11, 10:56 PM
What does Englands strip look like?

Its the St Georges Cross

StevoIRL
28-07-11, 10:57 PM
Did you play at all against Billy or someone else? If so you'll find against players that button mashing will loose straight away to some managing a heavy bind.

Getofmeland
28-07-11, 11:03 PM
Great review, enjoyed reading it :) the only thing i disagree with is the button mashing at the rucks, i didn't find it useful during my playing. Oh and i quite liked the simple approach to goal kicking. But i'm sure all will become clear once everyone gets their hands on the game:D One thing, what did you make of the offloads and running lines? I thought they were, along with th presentation, the most impressive features.

The way I saw the Rucks is that the more players you commit the more likely you win the ball, and obviously you have to do this fast otherwise you lose the ruck, hence the button mashing... The offloads were good, being able to do it using the same mechanism of passing was really easy, but offloads are a difficult part to try and decide how to do it... Also in terms of the running lines they were very good, but both games are good at these...

Getofmeland
28-07-11, 11:05 PM
Did you play at all against Billy or someone else? If so you'll find against players that button mashing will loose straight away to some managing a heavy bind.

Didn't get the opportunity to play against anyone... just the AI on all difficulties... even found the mashing helped on Pro...

action1978
28-07-11, 11:06 PM
sounds awesome, so happy I pre ordered now after reading this, thanks for the post

Getofmeland
28-07-11, 11:07 PM
sounds awesome, so happy I pre ordered now after reading this, thanks for the post

I would pre-order RWC 2011 as well if you want a true gameplay experience... they have really built on their success

Mario
28-07-11, 11:15 PM
Thanks for the review.



The way I saw the Rucks is that the more players you commit the more likely you win the ball, and obviously you have to do this fast otherwise you lose the ruck, hence the button mashing...

If you were playing the AI on Easy or a novice human then that might fly, but it isn't a winning strategy against an experienced human opponent and the higher difficulty levels, as fatigue and leaving holes in your line and overlap become more of a factor.

action1978
28-07-11, 11:17 PM
I would pre-order RWC 2011 as well if you want a true gameplay experience... they have really built on their success

I will just wait for the demo for that one. Plus I want a franchise mode using club sides.

Getofmeland
28-07-11, 11:18 PM
If you were playing the AI on Easy or a novice human then that might fly, but it isn't a winning strategy against an experienced human opponent and the higher difficulty levels, as fatigue and leaving holes in your line and overlap become more of a factor.

Oh completely agree with that, its something that we will see happen, with that kind of system. But like you say against higher AI it is more difficult because of the play, however I still found this to work on the Hard setting...

jmaher92
28-07-11, 11:22 PM
Oh completely agree with that, its something that we will see happen, with that kind of system. But like you say against higher AI it is more difficult because of the play, however I still found this to work on the Hard setting...

I think people are missing the point you're trying to make, of course adding more players to your ruck faster will give you a better chance to win. But what i think Mario is suggesting is that if you fail to win the breakdown, you are severely disadvantaged on the next play due to having men committed. This makes it a bad strategy.

fred.arnold
28-07-11, 11:26 PM
Just to cover the other areas off obviously we are all aware of the the following teams/competition are Licenced: Aviva Premiership, Magners League (Rabodirect thingy), Top 14, New Zealand, Australia, ITM Cup and the NZ/Aus teams in SupeRugby, these are selectable in the Tournament Mode and Season Mode. The Season Mode is spread over 13 seasons, which covers both Club and International, within the season mode you can select to follow either a Club or an International team or both.

With this said do you mean the only the NZ/AUS teams are licensed or there is no SA teams? I know its possibly a dumb Question But im just checking...

fred.arnold
28-07-11, 11:33 PM
And is the season mode anything like World league on rugby 08 and 06

TVH11
28-07-11, 11:34 PM
Nice little review, glad to hear you enjoyed :D :D Sounds as if the game has great potential :D Gonna be buying Both :D

Silly question, out of the players you played as/saw, which game would you say overall had the better player likenesses (in terms of accuracy) :D :D

TRF C A Iversen
28-07-11, 11:45 PM
Thanks for the review.




If you were playing the AI on Easy or a novice human then that might fly, but it isn't a winning strategy against an experienced human opponent and the higher difficulty levels, as fatigue and leaving holes in your line and overlap become more of a factor.


I'd imagine that it's something that'd become more apparent with more play. Perhaps getofmeland didn't play it for long enough on the better levels to see it working in the way described. I'm sure there's strategy there and players will have a lot of trial and error before they know the correct balance of tactics.

j-dawg
28-07-11, 11:49 PM
Its the St Georges Cross

Dissapointed with that. An all white one resembling a Union jersey as opposed to a league jersey would have suited me down to the ground.

Jayatron
29-07-11, 12:06 AM
I would pre-order RWC 2011 as well if you want a true gameplay experience... they have really built on their success

Yeah, I don't think so.


Dissapointed with that. An all white one resembling a Union jersey as opposed to a league jersey would have suited me down to the ground.

If you don't like it you can change it in the edit mode. If one wished one could change it to the England 7s orange kit I believe.


Interesting review. I've been reading all the other reviews on the Sidhe forum and I haven't seen this interpretation of it. I was getting the impression it was pretty awesome with a few small weakness. Maybe it's nit picking or perhaps it a kind of swings and round about thing. Wouldn't say contrasting review, but different and informative.

markshaw
29-07-11, 12:10 AM
Sounds good, I will only be getting RC. Will invest in HB's RWC next time round if they manage to crack better game modes. Im a game mode guy thats all

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 12:15 AM
Sounds good, I will only be getting RC. Will invest in HB's RWC next time round if they manage to crack better game modes. Im a game mode guy thats all

That's fair enough. A lot of people get a lot more fun tinkering with options, game modes, kits and teams than actually playing the games nowadays so it's probably quite possible to while away months doing that on any game with a wide enough features set and decent gameplay.

Some people aren't into games that play brilliantly if they have very little in the way of features, that's just how it is.

satan1981
29-07-11, 12:19 AM
Can you do pick and go with a forward ?

Can you take the ball with the 8 in the scrum ?

donmcdazzle
29-07-11, 12:55 AM
That's fair enough. A lot of people get a lot more fun tinkering with options, game modes, kits and teams than actually playing the games nowadays so it's probably quite possible to while away months doing that on any game with a wide enough features set and decent gameplay.

Some people aren't into games that play brilliantly if they have very little in the way of features, that's just how it is.

I think the categorisation of RC gameplay = decent and RWC11 gameply = brilliant is a weeeee bit excessive and premature.

TRF_Hulkster
29-07-11, 12:59 AM
I think the categorisation of RC gameplay = decent and RWC11 gameply = brilliant is a weeeee bit excessive and premature.

Much like the rose tinted glasses ... ?

donmcdazzle
29-07-11, 01:01 AM
Much like the rose tinted glasses ... ?

Sorry I'm not following?

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 01:05 AM
I think the categorisation of RC gameplay = decent and RWC11 gameply = brilliant is a weeeee bit excessive and premature.

I see your point, but to be honest we're getting accused, charged and convicted of such monumental bias, that really I may as well say things like that. Anyhow, it's solely based on the feedback of someone I trust and merely an opinion.

I'll give my own opinion when I get my hands on the games myself. I'm a pretty handy reviewer and absolute obsessive rugby gamer myself, but being where I'm from I'll never get to test anything early sadly.

donmcdazzle
29-07-11, 01:14 AM
I see your point, but to be honest we're getting accused, charged and convicted of such monumental bias, that really I may as well say things like that. Anyhow, it's solely based on the feedback of someone I trust and merely an opinion.

I've been pretty open minded, I defended Getofmeland's review on the Sidhe forums. That post kind kind of tweaked your approach from neutral to not so much so. I honestly don't see the TRF people being biased. I think it's more a case of he was used to the RWC type of game (as most of us are from 08) so probably found it comfortable and easy to adapt to. RC is totally different so I'm sure has a bigger learning curve by default.

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 01:21 AM
I've been pretty open minded, I defended Getofmeland's review on the Sidhe forums. That post kind kind of tweaked your approach from neutral to not so much so.

Yeah that's probably so, but I'm more talking about the masses on the Sidhe forums who demand proof for everything I say, whereas someone who's already giving out outrageously over the top praise for RC (despite also never having played it), is completely left alone or agreed with. I see that your trying to be neutral, but that's not the approach of the majority to be honest.

I myself am still completely neutral, I see things I like in both games. I am very impressed by them both, but also disappointed by some aspects of both. That sounds fairly neutral to me.

If I happen to repeat things that Charlie has said or implied, that's because until I play the games myself, I trust his opinion very much. :)

LittleGuy
29-07-11, 01:26 AM
Thanks for the review I am looking forward to both titles greatly, thanks for the great work Mario and the team at Sidhe, especially making the game available for PC is a plus.

stuartdonnelly91
29-07-11, 01:40 AM
I don't think that gameplay in rugby 08 was anything to write home about to be honest...and by looking at the trailer for RWC2011 I saw little to no difference - they didn't even showcase the supposed improvements. I think it is very premature to say that RWC2011 gameplay is better than RC.

It would almost be worth my while to just update squads and create players on TRF rugby 10 patch seeing as it doesn't look like gameplay is any different - tackles, try scoring dives, passing, running, kicking and the physics in general looked identical to 08... there needs to be massive improvements in the physics engine to improve realism. Either they're trying to save something as a surprise for the demo or they genuinely don't have much more to offer.

I will be buying RC based on the fact they seem to have a more comprehensive and realistic physics engine - this was my impression from the trailers and gameplay footage from RWC2011 and RC.

Food for thought anyway...

cheers

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 01:45 AM
I don't think that gameplay in rugby 08 was anything to write home about to be honest...and by looking at the trailer for RWC2011 I saw little to no difference - they didn't even showcase the supposed improvements. I think it is very premature to say that RWC2011 gameplay is better than RC.

It would almost be worth my while to just update squads and create players on TRF rugby 10 patch seeing as it doesn't look like gameplay is any different - tackles, try scoring dives, passing, running, kicking and the physics in general looked identical to 08... there needs to be massive improvements in the physics engine to improve realism. Either they're trying to save something as a surprise for the demo or they genuinely don't have much more to offer.

I will be buying RC based on the fact they seem to have a more comprehensive and realistic physics engine - this was my impression from the trailers and gameplay footage from RWC2011 and RC.

Food for thought anyway...

cheers

Ahh, how refreshing, someone who holds a different opinion to me, who doesn't get all negative or slinging mud at one game or another. I appreciate your views Stuart :D

stuartdonnelly91
29-07-11, 01:47 AM
As a side note, I am trying to be neutral, I just find it hard to like RWC2011 considering the evident lack of endevour undertaken by HB... prior to the release of trailers I was leaning toward RWC2011 but was bitterly disappointed to be honest.

stuartdonnelly91
29-07-11, 01:49 AM
Ahh, how refreshing, someone who holds a different opinion to me, who doesn't get all negative or slinging mud at one game or another. I appreciate your views Stuart :D

Not slinging mud, just saying it how I see it. I am hoping that we missed something in the trailer for RWC2011 because I will no doubt be forking out the $100 for it, just a shame about licenses but I guess if the gameplay does trump RC I will be more than happy.

cheers

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 01:53 AM
Not slinging mud, just saying it how I see it. I am hoping that we missed something in the trailer for RWC2011 because I will no doubt be forking out the $100 for it, just a shame about licenses but I guess if the gameplay does trump RC I will be more than happy.

cheers

Yeah I was just wishing everyone could be as reasonable about it as you. Although I wouldn't say it was a lack of endeavour by HB studios. I'm aware that Sidhes budget was several million dollars and they had a fairly software producer/publisher behind them from the start. HB started this by themselves and had to pick up the project costs by themselves as EA weren't backing rugby. Eventually they got a good publisher behind them with 505 games. I'd imagine this would mean that HB games had significantly less financial resources at their disposal for this project. With that in mind, I'd say they've done pretty well.

There is some new footage up about RWC 2011 with the TRF staff playing it in another thread, it showcases some pros and some cons, but you may have already seen that by now? :)

stuartdonnelly91
29-07-11, 02:02 AM
Yeah I was just wishing everyone could be as reasonable about it as you. Although I wouldn't say it was a lack of endeavour by HB studios. I'm aware that Sidhes budget was several million dollars and they had a fairly software producer/publisher behind them from the start. HB started this by themselves and had to pick up the project costs by themselves as EA weren't backing rugby. Eventually they got a good publisher behind them with 505 games. I'd imagine this would mean that HB games had significantly less financial resources at their disposal for this project. With that in mind, I'd say they've done pretty well.

There is some new footage up about RWC 2011 with the TRF staff playing it in another thread, it showcases some pros and some cons, but you may have already seen that by now? :)

I am yet to see the footage but will have a look for it.

I am aware that they had differing budgets as well, hence any changes made to the rubgy 08 dynamic would be great - just seems weird that they wouldn't show some footage of the rucking system in the trailer.

I guess it just comes down to when they both come out, that would be the only fair comparison. I hope the positives from each game can be integrated in the future to make an epic game without licensing issues!

cheers

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 02:12 AM
just seems weird that they wouldn't show some footage of the rucking system in the trailer.

Your not alone there. Many of us on the TRF staff believed that the trailer was not what it could've been at all. If it'd been a gameplay trailer or at least had focused on showing new aspects of gameplay much more than close-up action shots, then it wouldn't have received the panning it got. As it stood, it just looked like an enhanced HD version of '08 and it's largely accepted that it should've been so much better.


I hope the positives from each game can be integrated in the future to make an epic game without licensing issues!

cheers

With what both teams have produced and the potential ideas learned from each other, I don't think the future for rugby gaming has looked brighter.

I guess it all comes down to profit and loss for both teams now. :)

stuartdonnelly91
29-07-11, 02:18 AM
Your not alone there. Many of us on the TRF staff believed that the trailer was not what it could've been at all. If it'd been a gameplay trailer or at least had focused on showing new aspects of gameplay much more than close-up action shots, then it wouldn't have received the panning it got. As it stood, it just looked like an enhanced HD version of '08 and it's largely accepted that it should've been so much better.



With what both teams have produced and the potential ideas learned from each other, I don't think the future for rugby gaming has looked brighter.

I guess it all comes down to profit and loss for both teams now. :)

Yeh, bit of shame really, I think the trailer didn't do the changes that had been widely advertised any justice... guess we just have to wait and see though... More than anything I am jsut psyched that there are two games coming out, and hopefully more to come - not waiting another 4 years :|

lynam1104
29-07-11, 02:29 AM
Sounds good bit disappointed with how the scrum turn out when you play in the leaked vid they looked very good. I agree that more could have been done with it in that respect.

ds_cru
29-07-11, 02:44 AM
I'm a fan of (an improvised style of) running rugby, so from what I've seen of both games I can't help be more excited about Rugby Challenge. I prefer it's style of running game to HB's. Am I wrong in thinking that RWC appeals to more of a set piece, constructed play type of player?

I can't help but thinking about when I played PES for the first time in years, I had to completely unlearn years of Fifa play. If I reviewed it after my first couple of hours playing, I would have given it 3 or 4/10. Took me over a week of playing before it clicked, and if I reviewed it then - 9/10.

kusta
29-07-11, 06:29 AM
Thanks for the review can't wait for this game:)!!!!

Teh Mite
29-07-11, 07:04 AM
Am I wrong in thinking that RWC appeals to more of a set piece, constructed play type of player?e

Very wrong

Getofmeland
29-07-11, 07:27 AM
Firstly I want to clarify some points that have been made, here and elsewhere:

- I did not play the game for 20 mins, I played the game for over an hour and half.
- I am not a writer, I am sorry my grammer and way of phrasing things is off.
- I had very little time to write this review, as I was trying to fit in being away from home and writing this for people who I knew were desperate to read this. (I played the game from 2 til 3.45ish, then grabbed the next train home at 4.20, got back home by 6, then cooked, ate, relaxed and wrote)
- I have had minimal sleep the last couple of days as well, 2 very exhausting days, and now heading into work for another long day.
- In terms of promoting games, we are only promoting RWC2011 at the moment as it is the only game with a release date
- As for the control system, it took some time to get used to because I spent 4 and half hours playing RWC 2011 the day before, do I prefer the control system on RC, Yes and No.
- Also on that, having spent the time to play RWC 2011 it is very difficult to not compare these two games when you have played them 12 hours apart.

Gay-Guy
29-07-11, 07:51 AM
Thanks for the informative review Charlie....I will buy both games....gotta support both parties for making an effort!

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 09:03 AM
Thanks for the informative review Charlie....I will buy both games....gotta support both parties for making an effort!

That signature must die!!! :lol:

amo
29-07-11, 09:16 AM
thanks for the review loved it.

Wikus
29-07-11, 10:08 AM
Thanks for the reveiw. How does RC most dufficult setting compare to RWC11 most dufficult setting.

Groundhog
29-07-11, 12:04 PM
Review was great and having played the game i agree with what you said the editor was the one thing we didnt get a look at in dublin

TRF_Hulkster
29-07-11, 12:10 PM
Definitely looking forward to the editor in RC, looks pretty good to be fair.

kiwi1234
29-07-11, 01:35 PM
Hey lads - really appreciate the review Getoffmeland, great to hear an unbiased account. Like you I think two games will only be a good thing and I will get both just to support the genre.

One question please I'd love an answer to if you have a chance: What was the franchise mode like in RC? Did you see the ability to trade and purchase players? Can you elaborate on this at all?

Thanks!

pickle
29-07-11, 02:38 PM
I see your point, but to be honest we're getting accused, charged and convicted of such monumental bias, that really I may as well say things like that. .Guilty as charged?

TRF C A Iversen
29-07-11, 02:53 PM
Guilty as charged?

Vague statement?

Feicarsinn
29-07-11, 03:34 PM
Firstly I want to clarify some points that have been made, here and elsewhere:

- I am not a writer, I am sorry my grammer and way of phrasing things is off.


I love **** like this. Not having a go by the by.

pickle
29-07-11, 03:37 PM
Vague statement?Not at all, more of a question you might say. Very different things.

TVH11
29-07-11, 04:41 PM
Fair review :D :D Don't see it biased at all, can't see how the SIDHE fan boys (as in forum users, not the staff - their lovely :P :P :P) are so petty that they pick out grammar mistakes. F!!k!n hell its so childish, grow up. There we go, haters will hate :D

pickle
29-07-11, 06:23 PM
Fair review :D :D Don't see it biased at all, can't see how the SIDHE fan boys (as in forum users, not the staff - their lovely :P :P :P) are so petty that they pick out grammar mistakes. F!!k!n hell its so childish, grow up. There we go, haters will hate :DCompletely agree. Grammar Is the least concerning part of the review.

Teh Mite
29-07-11, 06:25 PM
Completely agree. Grammar Is the least concerning part of the review.

Troll Translation Matrix Activated:


Getofmeland is completely biased. I hate you all.

Groundhog
30-07-11, 12:17 AM
Fair review :D :D Don't see it biased at all, can't see how the SIDHE fan boys (as in forum users, not the staff - their lovely :P :P :P) are so petty that they pick out grammar mistakes. F!!k!n hell its so childish, grow up. There we go, haters will hate :D
well to be fair at least twenty people on this forum have called me out on the most minor grammatical error and some smart arse is probably going to edit this for ****s and giggles

cmac95
30-07-11, 12:31 AM
well to be fair at least twenty people on this forum have called me out on the most minor grammatical error and some smart arse is probably going to edit this for ****s and giggles


Yes but they're using it as an approach to attack the article saying it was done by an*amateur etc... Most forum users do it for, as you say ''****s and giggles''.*

Groundhog
30-07-11, 12:49 AM
dont look down on me or i,ll have to get i certain F.I.N.L.A.Y on you :)

Gay-Guy
30-07-11, 01:12 AM
That signature must die!!! :lol:
Haha! Been a long time looking at it lol!

TRF C A Iversen
30-07-11, 02:10 AM
Haha! Been a long time looking at it lol!

Hey where'd it go? I need it there to inspire me. :lol:

TRF C A Iversen
30-07-11, 02:13 AM
Not at all, more of a question you might say. Very different things.

Well, if it's a question, then you obviously don't know the answer. The answer is no. :)

Gay-Guy
30-07-11, 08:14 AM
Hey where'd it go? I need it there to inspire me. :lol:
Its vanished????

pippops
30-07-11, 11:33 AM
Interesting review and follow-up comments...from my own review of the game based on the vids that have came out I have a slightly more enthusiastic approach to it but as the great britney spears once said "thats my perogative" :) lol

Now for all the childish bickering thats going on I've only got one thing on that matter....All the mods on here(correct me if im wrong please) have expressed a strong desire to buy both games as they give different offerings and not one has said Rc is better than RWC or vise versa. I think its fair to say that the mods on here that have played the game are putting their reputations on the line by defending RWC and i would be bitterly disappointed if they only did this for non-gameplay reasons. This we would only find out on the 26/08/2011... So I suggest that before anyone goes slating the mods for being biased that they simply wait 27 days to play the game and then a real, adult debate can occur.

I will most certainly be doing this and i think its a good idea that RWC come out before RC as (gameplay-wise) I can only compare it to the last rugby game (rugby 08) and whether or not its made enough of an improvement for the 3 yrs they have deprived us for.

I'd also like to know from people that have played the game their thoughts on the last comment?

Peace and love

GravyboatCaptain
04-08-11, 10:00 AM
Hi mate, just to put something to bed. How "easy" is it to score tries, and how many tacklers fall off. Seen it in the trailers that it looks like you have loads of space, and the tackling seems quite poor

Gillymore
04-08-11, 04:29 PM
A cracking review. I think the choice as to which version of the game I get can't be made. It has to be both. Two union games coming along within weeks of each other must be a thing that is celebrated by any rugby gaming fan worth his salt. Especially after over 3 years of not having a game of anykind. Cost would be an issue but I am lucky enough to be getting one version of the game as a birthday present...leaving me needing to stump up the cost of the other. OK, one of the games may fall by the wayside in terms of preference of playing. But it won't be binned....rather retained for posterity.

11Openside
05-08-11, 02:07 AM
Id ask if you could produce this kind of review http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?23296-Getofmeland-s-Review-of-Rugby-World-Cup-2011 in regards to RC maybe its just me but i think there is abit of a difference

kaftka
05-08-11, 07:46 AM
Id ask if you could produce this kind of review http://www.therugbyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?23296-Getofmeland-s-Review-of-Rugby-World-Cup-2011 in regards to RC maybe its just me but i think there is abit of a difference
Sorry, but what do you want from this review? The only difference I can see is that the RWC review has titled/listed paragraphs... I don't think getofmeland should re-write it like that. Although I'm not sure that's what you mean.

Getofmeland
05-08-11, 07:55 AM
The Review of Rugby World Cup was after a 30 minute play, this one is from an hour and half preview, and since then I have played RWC for over 4 and half hours now.... As well as the demo...

11Openside
05-08-11, 11:10 AM
Thanks for taking the time out to write anything i just thought the RWC review had more detail. Actually side note is there a difference between the two defensive systems ? i got the impression RWC had a slightly better dynamic.

JamesMander
06-08-11, 12:11 PM
Hey is the AI for rwc2011 actually 'smarter' on the harder difficulty or is it just things like turnover rates, and tackle radius increased?
From what I've played on the rwc2011 demo, I'm very disappointed, just seems like a re-vamped 2008 to me, nicer looks and marginally improved ai, that's about it.
Interesting way to make the demo more of a challenge is to not use sprint at all (found it made it a lot harder). I had to do things like that on 08 on hardest to keep it challenging, hope it's not like that on rwc2011.

Also appreciate the review, gave me flaws for rugby challenge to look at,
but in the end the option to play as the turbos is always going to win me over.

TRF C A Iversen
06-08-11, 12:17 PM
Hey is the AI for rwc2011 actually 'smarter' on the harder difficulty or is it just things like turnover rates, and tackle radius increased?
From what I've played on the rwc2011 demo, I'm very disappointed, just seems like a re-vamped 2008 to me, nicer looks and marginally improved ai, that's about it.
Interesting way to make the demo more of a challenge is to not use sprint at all (found it made it a lot harder). I had to do things like that on 08 on hardest to keep it challenging, hope it's not like that on rwc2011.

Also appreciate the review, gave me flaws for rugby challenge to look at,
but in the end the option to play as the turbos is always going to win me over.

Given that this Rugby game apparently has things like reasonably less bunching, better tackling, better turnovers and better attack on higher levels, the challenge level is apparently very high and significantly harder than Rugby '08. I suppose we'll have to make of it what we will when it comes out.

pit
31-08-11, 08:02 PM
Wish some one can tell me more about the season/career mode of rc:)what can u do and what happens

luca fontana
02-09-11, 02:36 PM
Can you do pick and go with a forward ?

Can you take the ball with the 8 in the scrum ?

TRF_Olyy
02-09-11, 02:59 PM
Yes and yes

luca fontana
02-09-11, 03:19 PM
Yes and yes

thanks :) happy to know this (and to bring my forwards into the game) ;)