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Dumbo
08-03-06, 09:13 AM
I have been allowed.

www.planet-rugby.com
Chiefs ready to 'attack' the Crusaders

The Chiefs are keen to employ a more expansive game when they face the table-topping Crusaders in the opening match of Super 14 Week Five. The Chiefs will enjoy home ground advantage, with the game being played at the Waikato Stadium in Hamilton.

Not even the loss of pacy right wing Sosene Anesi (to the New Zealand Commonwealth Games sevens team) and an injury cloud hanging over three other key backs - Byron Kelleher, Sam Tuitupou and Mils Muliaina - are dampening coach Ian Foster's spirit.

Kelleher (ribs), Tuitupou (shoulder) and Muliaina (neck) were unable to take full part in training in the early stage of this week's build-up.

From the couch...
"We're really keen to play an attacking style of game. Even with the loss of Sosene Anesi to the New Zealand Sevens team at the Commonwealth Games, it is something we wish to continue."

"Next week we have planned a training camp in Whangamata, as well as using the time to give the guys a few days off."

While the injury cloud hangs over the likes of Kelleher, Tuitupou and Muliaina, there were promising signs from midfielders David Hill and Niva Ta'auso, who are returning from illness and injury respectively.
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Training at Whangamata? how the f&*k do you TRAIN at Whangamata?
I support the Chiefs, but thats my bad luck.
If you think they can win this game then you are stupid, and thats your bad luck.

Rassie
08-03-06, 09:28 AM
Could be this first loss for Crusaders? Very exciting game, looking forward for this Chiefs are very strong on home soil!

Gay-Guy
08-03-06, 09:58 AM
It will be the first loss for the Crusaders. They always have a mid season stumble.

The Chiefs if I remember have got some guy who will be even more devastating than Soseni is.

I think the score will be a bit embaressing for the Crusaders. The Chiefs will run them off the park.

Dumbo
08-03-06, 10:00 AM
Crusaders are going into this game with sh&t all injuries, while the Chiefs on the other hand have a couple of players not there (one in particular) or under injury cloud. No hope for the Chiefs on this one.
Crusaders are a class act, to organised, to efficient, to strong (tight 5), the Blues got off lucky.

Dumbo
08-03-06, 10:01 AM
I think I love you GG. But still no hope.

Gay-Guy
08-03-06, 10:04 AM
No need for hope when there is love.

"Love is in the air....." :lol:

"Can you feel....the love... tonight"

This will be the game where the Chiefs will get it together as a defensive unit (what a dreamer lol!).

Rassie
08-03-06, 10:06 AM
A Chiefs win might spice up the competition ! GG is right, Crusaders stumble in the mid season, it`s not something new.

The Chiefs crowd is also smth very important in this game ecuation, they put a lot of pressure on the visiting team

This game is open to any result IMO.

Dumbo
08-03-06, 10:47 AM
GG I love you.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
08-03-06, 12:24 PM
lauaki is 1up on mose tuialii since that npc game last year where sione ragdolled half there team around..should be a high scoring game

im loving that forward battle too...holah vs mccaw is always good and jonno gibbes vs rueben thorne will be another gud bash up...

carters gonna carve that midfield but im back the chiefs outside 3 to work that magic

Dumbo
08-03-06, 09:07 PM
Chiefs: 1 - Simms Davison, 2 - Tom Willis, 3 - Ben Castle, 4 - Jono Gibbes (Captain), 5 - Bernie Upton, 6 - Steven Bates, 7 - Marty Holah, 8 - Sione Lauaki, 9 - Byron Kelleher, 10 - Stephen Donald, 11 - Sitiveni Sivivatu, 12 - Sam Tuitupou, 13 - Mark Ranby, 14 - Anthony Tahana, 15 - Mils Muliaina.

Reserves: 16 - Aleki Lutui, 17 - Deacon Manu, 18 - Sean Hohneck, 19 - Kristian Ormsby, 20 - Jamie Nutbrown, 21 - David Hill, 22 - Loki Crichton.

Crusaders: 1 - Wyatt Crockett, 2 - Corey Flynn, 3 - Greg Somerville, 4 - Chris Jack, 5 - Ross Filipo, 6 - Reuben Thorne, 7 - Richard McCaw (Captain), 8 - Mose Tuiali'i, 9 - Andrew Ellis, 10 - Daniel Carter, 11 - Scott Hamilton, 12 - Aaron Mauger, 13 - Caleb Ralph, 14 - Rico Gear, 15 - Leon MacDonald.

Reserves: 16 - Tone Kopelani, 17 - Ben Franks, 18 - Brad Mika, 19 - Johnny Leo'o, 20 - Kevin Senio, 21 - Cameron McIntyre, 22 - Casey Laulala.

Some interesting match ups there...

-JJ-
09-03-06, 02:22 AM
Well if both teams play like they did last week, should be a Chiefs victory, and I'll be coming away from the ground happy. Hopefully Hill will come on early in the second half, and maybe chuck Crichton into wing early in the second half aswell.

GoGo Chiefs.

Just looking at the backlines...

9. Kelleher >>>> Ellis
10. Donald <<<<<<< Carter
11. Sivi >>>> Hamilton
12. Tuitupou < Mauger
13. Ranby > Ralph
14. Tahana <<<<<< Gear
15. Mils > MacDonald

Chiefs just have the edge here I reckon. Forwards aren&#39;t half bad either soooo Chiefs 29 - 21 Crusaders.

Dumbo
09-03-06, 02:38 AM
Ranby on Ralph... all depends on Ralph (shocker last game).
Finding this one hard to predict.

sambãd5
09-03-06, 06:38 AM
any one know the odds on the game? wouldnt mind putting some money on this one.


as long as the cheifs are paying out good that is B)

woosaah
09-03-06, 08:38 PM
$11.00 chiefs 13 +
$4.90 chiefs 12 -
$35.00 draw (go for this one O.o)
$2.80 crudsaders 12 -
$2.05 crusaders 13 + (safe bet)

sambãd5
10-03-06, 12:15 AM
woah. almost $5 for a cheifs under 12 win. good money. good money.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
10-03-06, 02:35 AM
ranby should be 12 and mills at 13...with loki at fullback with tuitupou an impact player

coz caleb ralph cant play above the pace of mills the whole night

Dumbo
10-03-06, 04:35 AM
Would have made things interesting, still expect to see a lot of Mils in the backline, Crusaders have a good defensive backline but not a bruising defense (leaves it wide open for Mils).

The TRUTH
10-03-06, 07:36 AM
MacDonald>Mills

Ripper
10-03-06, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by The TRUTH!!@Mar 10 2006, 08:36 PM
MacDonald>Mills
Who was the smartarse who thought it would be funny to let you out of the asylum?

The TRUTH
10-03-06, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+Mar 10 2006, 08:17 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-The TRUTH!!@Mar 10 2006, 08:36 PM
MacDonald>Mills
Who was the smartarse who thought it would be funny to let you out of the asylum? [/b]
You obviously didn&#39;t watch the game then

MacDonald was man of the match

Mils cost his team the match

woosaah
10-03-06, 08:25 AM
macdonald>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mills :)
great close game to watch

some dodgy decisions by the ref

some luck with the kick offs in the first half but the chiefs try was lucky

good game but the better team won :P

Ripper
10-03-06, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by The TRUTH!!+Mar 10 2006, 09:23 PM-->

Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 10 2006, 08:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-The TRUTH!!@Mar 10 2006, 08:36 PM
MacDonald>Mills
Who was the smartarse who thought it would be funny to let you out of the asylum?
You obviously didn&#39;t watch the game then

MacDonald was man of the match

Mils cost his team the match [/b]
Oh, so we base on our opinions on one game now?

Are you telling me if you had a choice, You would have MacDonald over Mils at the Force?

And Woosaah, you still thought Months on that MacDonald was the right choice to replace Carter when he broke his leg last year during the 3N, so STFU.

woosaah
10-03-06, 08:56 AM
no i said that i would like to see him there.
i know he isnt a first five.. now

but still he is better than mills which is what we are arguring here

Ripper
10-03-06, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 10 2006, 09:56 PM
no i said that i would like to see him there.
i know he isnt a first five.. now

but still he is better than mills which is what we are arguring here
LMFAO.

Mils is the best Fullback in the world.

Mils is faster for a start, is a better distributor, better defender, is lethal in counter attacking (he always makes at least one tackler miss 70% of the time), is a better defender, punting is the same (although Mils is improving) and doesn&#39;t get knocked out.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
10-03-06, 09:31 AM
shut up ripper...mills is the most over-rated current allblack...

the fact he aint doin anything now thats productive for his team justifys that...

the public are to focused on him playing midfield which can be of reality..and it seems hes aim is on that 13 jersey by the way he is playing

best fullback in the world?..maybe a couple years ago..that belongs to either latham or percy who are way better FULLBACKS than mills..i consider mills as a great backline player and right now he is torn between fullback and centre..he needs to settle some where

Ripper
10-03-06, 09:33 AM
Bite me Monkey f***er.

The TRUTH
10-03-06, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 10 2006, 09:06 PM
Mils is the best Fullback in the world.


:lol2tn: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats too stupid to coment on.



Are you telling me if you had a choice, You would have MacDonald over Mils at the Force?[/b]
If we needed a full back yes..... if we needed a centre then i&#39;d rather have Mills


Oh, so we base on our opinions on one game now?[/b]

No..... He was NZ&#39;s best fullback in the Super12 last year and he&#39;s been the best fullback in NZ so far this year.

Mills just sux at 15, he&#39;d be a good player in the centre

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
10-03-06, 09:48 AM
over-rated>>>mills
mills is stupid ..ive never seen a more consistant fullback who runs into 5 players from a kick return only to give a turn over...hes done that for what?...like 4 years now..surely he can kick?

hes got the speed,agility and finesse of the worlds best wingers,has great break tackling ability and hits gaps like frank bunce..he will make an awesome centre...

fullback?....no...the opponents that played against have grown to meet his usual counter attack moves..mcdnald is a class fullback...i feel the same way for mills now when i see mcdonald at centre...not worthy

eat my big nuts ripper

sambãd5
10-03-06, 10:32 AM
the thing about macdonald, is that once hes in the all blacks, they will keep making excuses to keep him there, like they did just last year. ooh hes our back up goal kicker. if we need to, we can move him to 5/8 etc. BULL ****!!! hes a full back, full stop. he plays a few games, gets ko&#39;ed and has the rest of the season off. the hurricanes fb is the future. if hes not our 15, i would put mills and evans before macdonald.

shiznit
10-03-06, 10:33 AM
Mills is the best 15 in the world.
Latham??? maaan... eat a d*ck you fools.
when hes not calling for the trainers to take him off the field in key moments of a match hes dropping a bloody highball. or hes blaming a loss on the fact he spends his week in his hotel having a ****.

Mills will never do you wrong.
- hes safe under the highball. therefore Mills>Latham
- he can actually counter attack from the back. therefore Mills>Percy
- he stays conscious. therefore Mills>McDonald

The TRUTH
10-03-06, 10:43 AM
:lol2tn: ^^^^^Your a Tool mate^^^^^

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anyway......


Sambad, i think Isaia Toeava is the same as Mils, more of a centre than a fullback....they have no kicking game.

Looks like Fullback is a real problem position in NZ, I think Leon or Evans are the best options for the AB&#39;s

shiznit
10-03-06, 10:51 AM
pfft!! stop acting like you know anything about NZ players!!
we have no problem positions.
Mills, McDonald, Evans, Anesi, Blair, Toeava will all look pretty awesome from the back.

i wouldnt bring up the topic problem positions if i were you.

aussie who have a whole team of problems.

Dumbo
10-03-06, 11:08 AM
Ripper add something positive or go get a girlfriend or a life.
Mate, McD is a better all-round act than Mils (Mils compared to other teams is still a class act), if you really watched the game then all would be agreeing the Kelleher is a complete ****** and lost the game for the Chiefs.

And if anyone is going to Wah on about McD getting his kick from his own 22 charged down, well whatever it happened tonight it happens

aussie1st
10-03-06, 11:23 AM
Kelleher is one to blame for the loss. Stupid move taking a quick tap on the penalty and then he kicks the ball away anyway lol. Most stupid piece of play I have seen. If they had kicked the ball out like a usual penalty who knows what may have happened.

Still a good game, MacDonald played bloody well, but those dam Crusaders just keep winning in the 2nd half.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
10-03-06, 11:24 AM
mcdonald on current form is better than mills

there ****nit
mcdonald > mills

from that game..which involved alot of kicking..mcdonald made some odd 100metres in total against mills..what?..like 2metres of getting slammed backwards..he evaded every first tackle every carry he had..which was like 10 carries in total

mcdonald > mills

also mcdonalds kicking was better...which made more yardage then any of what mills had to offer

mcdonald > mills

mills is a great attacker,but every player has there faults...like his kicking...his very stupid decision making in critical moments...(like running from kick return into 5players with no support...thats gonna cost u some games)...

safety first at the back..

latham and percy are the best fullbacks in the game...ones a classicly styled fullback with a tremendous boot and reads the field well in every facet of the game and the other is a leader who is proberly the strongest fullback and physically and mentally stronger then any other fullback

mills just runs great lines from time to time and happens to be very quick....hes one dimensional and the selectors were to pick now who would be fullback it would be mcdonald will mills possibly on the bench

sanzar
10-03-06, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 10 2006, 09:33 PM
Mills is the best 15 in the world.
Latham??? maaan... eat a d*ck you fools.
when hes not calling for the trainers to take him off the field in key moments of a match hes dropping a bloody highball. or hes blaming a loss on the fact he spends his week in his hotel having a ****.

Mills will never do you wrong.
- hes safe under the highball. therefore* Mills>Latham
- he can actually counter attack from the back. therefore* Mills>Percy
- he stays conscious. therefore* Mills>McDonald
:blink: ummm ok... Whether you truly believe that or not, you have to admit that Mills pretty much single handedly lost that game for the Chiefs... In fact, I&#39;d go as far to say he played so badly that I don&#39;t even think I&#39;ve seen a worse performance from an All Black fullback in at least the last 5 years.

Ripper
10-03-06, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 11 2006, 12:59 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-shiznit@Mar 10 2006, 09:33 PM
Mills is the best 15 in the world.
Latham??? maaan... eat a d*ck you fools.
when hes not calling for the trainers to take him off the field in key moments of a match hes dropping a bloody highball. or hes blaming a loss on the fact he spends his week in his hotel having a ****.

Mills will never do you wrong.
- hes safe under the highball. therefore* Mills>Latham
- he can actually counter attack from the back. therefore* Mills>Percy
- he stays conscious. therefore* Mills>McDonald
:blink: ummm ok... Whether you truly believe that or not, you have to admit that Mills pretty much single handedly lost that game for the Chiefs... In fact, I&#39;d go as far to say he played so badly that I don&#39;t even think I&#39;ve seen a worse performance from an All Black fullback in at least the last 5 years. [/b]
Someone didn&#39;t watch the 2004 S12 Final...


Sambad, i think Isaia Toeava is the same as Mils, more of a centre than a fullback....they have no kicking game.

Looks like Fullback is a real problem position in NZ, I think Leon or Evans are the best options for the AB&#39;s [/b]

Ignoring the fact that Mils&#39; kicking game is on par with Panadols easily...

And isn&#39;t Toeava meant to be able to play Fly Half as well? Last time I checked you need to know how to punt the ball (Unless your names Tasea Lavea and you do "special favours" to Sloane, than Nucifora.)

And its funny you question the All Blacks depth, we could probably do what we did to the Irish to the Wallabies and play 2 different sides and still beat you.

The TRUTH
10-03-06, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 11 2006, 06:19 AM
And its funny you question the All Blacks depth,
I questioned the depth of the FULLBACK position...... like compared with Latham,Rogers,Norton-Knight,Mitchell,Gerrard,Ashley-Cooper,Hilgendorf,Hewat


we could probably do what we did to the Irish to the Wallabies and play 2 different sides and still beat you.[/b]
:bravo: :toss:

Boomslangnz
10-03-06, 10:17 PM
your an idiot ripper,

MacDonald has been the form fullback of the super 14 thus far and was awesome last night against the chiefs.

God knows how many tackles macdonald broke always making a good 10-15 meters whenever he touched the ball.

Mils was crap last night and his form has been poor this year.

MacDonald will be the starting 15 for the ABs this year unless he has a serious loss of form.

lol and your bitching that he gets too many head injuries. Well maybe we should take ritchie off too cos he gets them occasionally.

STFU!

Ripper
10-03-06, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Boomslangnz@Mar 11 2006, 11:17 AM
your an idiot ripper,

MacDonald has been the form fullback of the super 14 thus far and was awesome last night against the chiefs.

God knows how many tackles macdonald broke always making a good 10-15 meters whenever he touched the ball.

Mils was crap last night and his form has been poor this year.

MacDonald will be the starting 15 for the ABs this year unless he has a serious loss of form.

lol and your bitching that he gets too many head injuries. Well maybe we should take ritchie off too cos he gets them occasionally.

STFU!
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And MacDonald won&#39;t be the starting FB, it will be Mils, unless Mils is moved to centre, even then Henry has a man crush on Toeava and his form has been preety good as of late.


I questioned the depth of the FULLBACK position...... like compared with Latham,Rogers,Norton-Knight,Mitchell,Gerrard,Ashley-Cooper,Hilgendorf,Hewat[/b]

LMFAO.

Only Latham and Rogers are up to International Standard, Drew Mitchell is better on the wing. Gerrard is overated and the rest are **** (Ashley-Cooper... LOLcastle.)

When was the last time you saw MacDonald do anything of note in the All Black Jersey? All he does is get knocked out, get treated like a doormat in a World Cup Semi Final and two weeks in a row almost costs the AB&#39;s the Tri Nations only to have Luke McAlister replace his sorry arse and clean up his mess.

shiznit
10-03-06, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by The TRUTH!!+Mar 11 2006, 06:49 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Mar 11 2006, 06:19 AM
And its funny you question the All Blacks depth,
I questioned the depth of the FULLBACK position...... like compared with Latham,Rogers,Norton-Knight,Mitchell,Gerrard,Ashley-Cooper,Hilgendorf,Hewat


we could probably do what we did to the Irish to the Wallabies and play 2 different sides and still beat you.[/b]
:bravo: :toss: [/b]
pffft!! you call that depth?? Rogers, Latham and Mitchell are the only ones of any class. the rest are laughable.

maaaaan... talk about a sausage fest.... :toss:

yeah... lets pick McDonald hes a great counter attacker. thats why a couple of years ago against SA when we needed a 100 meter try in the last minute to win a game instead of running the ball back at the line the idiot decided to plant the ball in goal. and that was before the fool was brained damaged.

or how about last year?? the entire country was yelling at henry to get rid of him. he nearly cost us games against both SA in dunedin and AUS in Auckland. it doesnt matter if he plays fullback, Cantre, or 1st five the guy will always be stop gap measure until the real players get back from injury.

shiznit
10-03-06, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 10 2006, 11:59 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-shiznit@Mar 10 2006, 09:33 PM
Mills is the best 15 in the world.
Latham??? maaan... eat a d*ck you fools.
when hes not calling for the trainers to take him off the field in key moments of a match hes dropping a bloody highball. or hes blaming a loss on the fact he spends his week in his hotel having a ****.

Mills will never do you wrong.
- hes safe under the highball. therefore* Mills>Latham
- he can actually counter attack from the back. therefore* Mills>Percy
- he stays conscious. therefore* Mills>McDonald
:blink: ummm ok... Whether you truly believe that or not, you have to admit that Mills pretty much single handedly lost that game for the Chiefs... In fact, I&#39;d go as far to say he played so badly that I don&#39;t even think I&#39;ve seen a worse performance from an All Black fullback in at least the last 5 years. [/b]
if that was the worst preformance from an all black fullback in the last 5 years im pretty happy. i see australian fullbacks produce bigger tripe than that on a constant basis.

sanzar
10-03-06, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by shiznit+Mar 11 2006, 10:05 AM-->

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 10 2006, 11:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-shiznit@Mar 10 2006, 09:33 PM
Mills is the best 15 in the world.
Latham??? maaan... eat a d*ck you fools.
when hes not calling for the trainers to take him off the field in key moments of a match hes dropping a bloody highball. or hes blaming a loss on the fact he spends his week in his hotel having a ****.

Mills will never do you wrong.
- hes safe under the highball. therefore* Mills>Latham
- he can actually counter attack from the back. therefore* Mills>Percy
- he stays conscious. therefore* Mills>McDonald
:blink: ummm ok... Whether you truly believe that or not, you have to admit that Mills pretty much single handedly lost that game for the Chiefs... In fact, I&#39;d go as far to say he played so badly that I don&#39;t even think I&#39;ve seen a worse performance from an All Black fullback in at least the last 5 years.
if that was the worst preformance from an all black fullback in the last 5 years im pretty happy. i see australian fullbacks produce bigger tripe than that on a constant basis. [/b]
That&#39;s wonderful. But it still doesn&#39;t change the fact that you&#39;re the one claiming Mills is the best fullback in the world after he produced a performance that lost his team the biggest scalp in the comp... Seriously, he played **** last night and you&#39;re sitting here saying he&#39;s an all time great or something. I mean come on, he&#39;s a good player, but last night some of the stuff he did almost warrented Dunning comparisons!
Seriously, can you honestly tell me that the All Blacks should select him over McDonald after he got so heavily owned in last nights game?

Ripper
11-03-06, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 11 2006, 12:52 PM-->

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 11 2006, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 10 2006, 11:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-shiznit@Mar 10 2006, 09:33 PM
Mills is the best 15 in the world.
Latham??? maaan... eat a d*ck you fools.
when hes not calling for the trainers to take him off the field in key moments of a match hes dropping a bloody highball. or hes blaming a loss on the fact he spends his week in his hotel having a ****.

Mills will never do you wrong.
- hes safe under the highball. therefore* Mills>Latham
- he can actually counter attack from the back. therefore* Mills>Percy
- he stays conscious. therefore* Mills>McDonald
:blink: ummm ok... Whether you truly believe that or not, you have to admit that Mills pretty much single handedly lost that game for the Chiefs... In fact, I&#39;d go as far to say he played so badly that I don&#39;t even think I&#39;ve seen a worse performance from an All Black fullback in at least the last 5 years.
if that was the worst preformance from an all black fullback in the last 5 years im pretty happy. i see australian fullbacks produce bigger tripe than that on a constant basis.
That&#39;s wonderful. But it still doesn&#39;t change the fact that you&#39;re the one claiming Mills is the best fullback in the world after he produced a performance that lost his team the biggest scalp in the comp... Seriously, he played **** last night and you&#39;re sitting here saying he&#39;s an all time great or something. I mean come on, he&#39;s a good player, but last night some of the stuff he did almost warrented Dunning comparisons!
Seriously, can you honestly tell me that the All Blacks should select him over McDonald after he got so heavily owned in last nights game? [/b]
So once again, you base your selections on one bad game?

sanzar
11-03-06, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+Mar 11 2006, 12:33 PM-->

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 11 2006, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 11 2006, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 10 2006, 11:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-shiznit@Mar 10 2006, 09:33 PM
Mills is the best 15 in the world.
Latham??? maaan... eat a d*ck you fools.
when hes not calling for the trainers to take him off the field in key moments of a match hes dropping a bloody highball. or hes blaming a loss on the fact he spends his week in his hotel having a ****.

Mills will never do you wrong.
- hes safe under the highball. therefore* Mills>Latham
- he can actually counter attack from the back. therefore* Mills>Percy
- he stays conscious. therefore* Mills>McDonald
:blink: ummm ok... Whether you truly believe that or not, you have to admit that Mills pretty much single handedly lost that game for the Chiefs... In fact, I&#39;d go as far to say he played so badly that I don&#39;t even think I&#39;ve seen a worse performance from an All Black fullback in at least the last 5 years.
if that was the worst preformance from an all black fullback in the last 5 years im pretty happy. i see australian fullbacks produce bigger tripe than that on a constant basis.
That&#39;s wonderful. But it still doesn&#39;t change the fact that you&#39;re the one claiming Mills is the best fullback in the world after he produced a performance that lost his team the biggest scalp in the comp... Seriously, he played **** last night and you&#39;re sitting here saying he&#39;s an all time great or something. I mean come on, he&#39;s a good player, but last night some of the stuff he did almost warrented Dunning comparisons!
Seriously, can you honestly tell me that the All Blacks should select him over McDonald after he got so heavily owned in last nights game?
So once again, you base your selections on one bad game? [/b]
No, I&#39;m just saying that you guys look stupid talking about how wonderful a fullback Mills is after a game in which you would have thought he&#39;d had money on the other team... Maybe wait untill he plays a good game before telling us how much better he is than everyone... assuming of course that happens.

-JJ-
11-03-06, 02:14 AM
Mils was worse that MacDonald on the night. By quite a bit.

I&#39;d love to know what the penalty count was. Bloody McCaw and everyone loving him, Mr reffy boy wouldn&#39;t give the Crusaders a team warning so it seemed to me that there were far too many penalties by the Crusaders and ruck time without enough punishment.

Was nice to Wakachangchang Stadium packed out for Super 14. Hopefully it will get quite full for the Highlanders and maybe the Waratahs, the two South African games will be quiet though.

sanzar
11-03-06, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by JJ-@Mar 11 2006, 01:14 PM
Mils was worse that MacDonald on the night. By quite a bit.

I&#39;d love to know what the penalty count was. Bloody McCaw and everyone loving him, Mr reffy boy wouldn&#39;t give the Crusaders a team warning so it seemed to me that there were far too many penalties by the Crusaders and ruck time without enough punishment.

Was nice to Wakachangchang Stadium packed out for Super 14. Hopefully it will get quite full for the Highlanders and maybe the Waratahs, the two South African games will be quiet though.
Yeah, why is it that the S14 games don&#39;t pack out more in NZ? I mean it&#39;s THE game of NZ isn&#39;t it? Out here the Waratah&#39;s average probably 25,000 and should get more, but realistically it has a lot of competition... The league opener last night got several thousand more people than the Tah&#39;s match, but I guess NSW were only playing the CATS.

Dumbo
11-03-06, 03:29 AM
Mils had one bad game thats all, McD&#39; outplayed him on the night, great performance from him (read an article about how&#39;s he&#39;s enjoying his rugby due to not having any injuries).
I have no doubt that he will in the NZ side come tri-nations time, if he&#39;s in the starting 15 or on the bench is up to Henry.

Just watched the game again (this time hung-over and not ******, wooow what a difference). Surprising effort from both teams, Jono had a big impact on the game when the Chiefs where on the back foot (has really made the Chiefs a team since he&#39;s been back), Sione Lauaki is looking good at 8 and a lot less lazy (although I&#39;d say Mose Tuiali&#39;i is looking like a number 8 I&#39;d like to see more of in the future).

Mils didn&#39;t really have an impact on the game like most Chiefs supporters where hoping for (the Crusaders have a really good running defensive line and shut him out on the counter attack), but he had an exceptional last game so he forgiven.

Thrilling game really, why did the Chiefs lose? Byron YOU ABSOLUTE ****** Kelleher that&#39;s why. Poor decision making at a crucial period in the game (instead of giving Donald the chance of three points and steadying the game, the ******** decides to run, Mils kicks, Crusaders attack through Gear and score. I hope Byron YOU ABSOLUTE ****** Kelleher never gets to wear the Silver Fern ever again. Byron I hate your guts.

Wally
11-03-06, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+Mar 11 2006, 10:29 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Boomslangnz@Mar 11 2006, 11:17 AM
your an idiot ripper,

MacDonald has been the form fullback of the super 14 thus far and was awesome last night against the chiefs.

God knows how many tackles macdonald broke always making a good 10-15 meters whenever he touched the ball.

Mils was crap last night and his form has been poor this year.

MacDonald will be the starting 15 for the ABs this year unless he has a serious loss of form.

lol and your bitching that he gets too many head injuries. Well maybe we should take ritchie off too cos he gets them occasionally.

STFU!
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And MacDonald won&#39;t be the starting FB, it will be Mils, unless Mils is moved to centre, even then Henry has a man crush on Toeava and his form has been preety good as of late.


I questioned the depth of the FULLBACK position...... like compared with Latham,Rogers,Norton-Knight,Mitchell,Gerrard,Ashley-Cooper,Hilgendorf,Hewat[/b]

LMFAO.

Only Latham and Rogers are up to International Standard, Drew Mitchell is better on the wing. Gerrard is overated and the rest are **** (Ashley-Cooper... LOLcastle.) [/b]
Drew Mitchell is a better fullback than winger. Along with Rogers and Latham he is better than any of New Zealand&#39;s current talent in that position. No doubt.

Wally
11-03-06, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 11 2006, 02:38 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin--JJ-@Mar 11 2006, 01:14 PM
Mils was worse that MacDonald on the night. By quite a bit.

I&#39;d love to know what the penalty count was. Bloody McCaw and everyone loving him, Mr reffy boy wouldn&#39;t give the Crusaders a team warning so it seemed to me that there were far too many penalties by the Crusaders and ruck time without enough punishment.

Was nice to Wakachangchang Stadium packed out for Super 14. Hopefully it will get quite full for the Highlanders and maybe the Waratahs, the two South African games will be quiet though.
Yeah, why is it that the S14 games don&#39;t pack out more in NZ? I mean it&#39;s THE game of NZ isn&#39;t it? Out here the Waratah&#39;s average probably 25,000 and should get more, but realistically it has a lot of competition... The league opener last night got several thousand more people than the Tah&#39;s match, but I guess NSW were only playing the CATS. [/b]
I&#39;d be very worried if the second biggest game of the opening round of the NRL didn&#39;t get a bigger crowd than the Waratahs / Cats match.

The Waratah&#39;s averaged 30,000 last year, and it will be more like 35,000 by the end of the 2006 season.

sanzar
11-03-06, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by Wally+Mar 11 2006, 02:47 PM-->

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 11 2006, 02:38 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JJ-@Mar 11 2006, 01:14 PM
Mils was worse that MacDonald on the night. By quite a bit.

I&#39;d love to know what the penalty count was. Bloody McCaw and everyone loving him, Mr reffy boy wouldn&#39;t give the Crusaders a team warning so it seemed to me that there were far too many penalties by the Crusaders and ruck time without enough punishment.

Was nice to Wakachangchang Stadium packed out for Super 14. Hopefully it will get quite full for the Highlanders and maybe the Waratahs, the two South African games will be quiet though.
Yeah, why is it that the S14 games don&#39;t pack out more in NZ? I mean it&#39;s THE game of NZ isn&#39;t it? Out here the Waratah&#39;s average probably 25,000 and should get more, but realistically it has a lot of competition... The league opener last night got several thousand more people than the Tah&#39;s match, but I guess NSW were only playing the CATS.
I&#39;d be very worried if the second biggest game of the opening round of the NRL didn&#39;t get a bigger crowd than the Waratahs / Cats match. [/b]
Yeah, but realistically they are only representing a couple area&#39;s of Sydney, whereas the Waratahs represent the WHOLE of NSW... I guess it goes to show how much more prominent League is at the moment in Aus.

Wally
11-03-06, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 11 2006, 04:13 PM-->

Originally posted by Wally@Mar 11 2006, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 11 2006, 02:38 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JJ-@Mar 11 2006, 01:14 PM
Mils was worse that MacDonald on the night. By quite a bit.

I&#39;d love to know what the penalty count was. Bloody McCaw and everyone loving him, Mr reffy boy wouldn&#39;t give the Crusaders a team warning so it seemed to me that there were far too many penalties by the Crusaders and ruck time without enough punishment.

Was nice to Wakachangchang Stadium packed out for Super 14. Hopefully it will get quite full for the Highlanders and maybe the Waratahs, the two South African games will be quiet though.
Yeah, why is it that the S14 games don&#39;t pack out more in NZ? I mean it&#39;s THE game of NZ isn&#39;t it? Out here the Waratah&#39;s average probably 25,000 and should get more, but realistically it has a lot of competition... The league opener last night got several thousand more people than the Tah&#39;s match, but I guess NSW were only playing the CATS.
I&#39;d be very worried if the second biggest game of the opening round of the NRL didn&#39;t get a bigger crowd than the Waratahs / Cats match.
Yeah, but realistically they are only representing a couple area&#39;s of Sydney, whereas the Waratahs represent the WHOLE of NSW... I guess it goes to show how much more prominent League is at the moment in Aus. [/b]
While it represents the whole of New South Wales in name, you can bet there arn&#39;t many, if any, yokels making the trip to Aussie Stadium from Wagga Wagga to see the Tahs play. In essence the Waratahs really only represent Sydney, which is comparable to NRL sides such as Melbourne Storm and Brisbane Broncos (both average smaller crowds, although not much smaller in terms of the Broncos).

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
11-03-06, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 11 2006, 10:29 AM


When was the last time you saw MacDonald do anything of note in the All Black Jersey?
ummm...every test match he played last year in which in part won the trinations,lions series and the grandslam....

nothing note worthy at all.....whenever he gets in the midfield...thats when he bothers me..when he is behind a backline that consist of players like carter,mauger in the crusaders..or in the allblacks running outside sivivatu,umaga or howlett as he did all last year..he is a great FULLBACK to have...

in every meaning of the position..he is great there

i still rate latham and percey better fullbacks than anything we have but we got better wingers,midfielders and 10s :D B)

rugbyballs
11-03-06, 03:25 PM
Great attempt at a tackle from MacDonald on Sivivatu when he scored his try.
His weakness is defence. He did well to run around and break tackles from forwards, but you really do have to ask questions about his defence, in saying that maybe Mils may have a few probs at times.

Is it time to have refs from the other countries control derbys etc. from what I have seen this year is test players from the refs homeland are able to get away with things that maybe if officiated from other SANZAR countries would find themselves in trouble.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
11-03-06, 03:30 PM
the refs in general so far have been pathetic...making nonsense calls and they rely too much on the linesmen who talk utter bull crap at times just to get on tv...

the refs are very soft...not strict...i strict ref would garner respect from both teams and bth teams wouldnt be told the rules that they should already know by now..seeing they get 70,000 a year to play in this profession...

refs need to up there game...less talk and more action

Ripper
11-03-06, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101+Mar 12 2006, 03:31 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Mar 11 2006, 10:29 AM


When was the last time you saw MacDonald do anything of note in the All Black Jersey?
ummm...every test match he played last year in which in part won the trinations,lions series and the grandslam.... [/b]
Yeah, what a great job he did in the Tri Nations last year, How whould we have managed if it wasn&#39;t for him?

Oh, wait...

Like Shiznit said, he&#39;s nothing more than some planks of wood to hold the dam back until the heavy machinery get back from injury (My best analogy ever)

woosaah
12-03-06, 01:31 AM
ahh ripper you have a wonderful imagination, i wonder what its like living in your little world, only watching what you want to watch missing out on alot of stuff that is going on :)

the refs have been a shocker, its been aweful to watch, maybe its a way to get people to get off theire ass and become refs themselves.

i have been tempted but it looks like to much hard work :)

Dumbo
12-03-06, 01:38 AM
Go for it dude... rugby at a junior level needs coaches and ref&#39;s.

woosaah
12-03-06, 03:53 AM
meh its an option, but it may take up my scuba diving time so i may have to think about it

Ripper
12-03-06, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 12 2006, 02:31 PM
ahh ripper you have a wonderful imagination, i wonder what its like living in your little world, only watching what you want to watch missing out on alot of stuff that is going on :)

the refs have been a shocker, its been aweful to watch, maybe its a way to get people to get off theire ass and become refs themselves.

i have been tempted but it looks like to much hard work :)
How the f*** would you know what happened in those games when you didn&#39;t even watch them? :wacko:

And if you go to the forum archives and see the 2005 Tri Nations threads you will see that I wasn&#39;t the only one who wanted to lynch MacDonalds after those games... (The only one who didn&#39;t was Dumbo who tried to shift the blame to Luke McAlister)

And I&#39;ve reffed some games before for my little brothers teams and it&#39;s actually preety good fun.

woosaah
13-03-06, 09:31 PM
meh cant be bothred looking at the past, its all history

Ripper
13-03-06, 11:50 PM
Weak.

woosaah
14-03-06, 12:30 AM
not weak, lazy