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THE CHIROPRACTOR101
11-03-06, 03:39 PM
you all got your own nations to speculate on...so go ahead and judge the players now who you believe have made great early strides thus far and deserve a spot in your national colours..

new zealand

15.Mcdonald
14.R.Gear
13.Nonu
12.Mauger
11.Sivivatu
10.Carter
9.Weepu
8.Lauaki
7.Mccaw
6.Colins
5.Ryan
4.Eaton
3.Hayman
2.Oliver
1.Somerville

16.Mealamu
17.Tialata
18.Jack
19.Holah
20.Senio
21.Evans
22.Kinikinilau

kaftka
11-03-06, 11:39 PM
That's a very strong team.... With NO Aucklanders in the starting lineup....



Aaaah, I love this country...







That's my post. No team from me yet.






....And we'd still kick arse!!!

Wally
12-03-06, 12:54 AM
1. Fitter
2. Cannon / Freier
3. Blake
4. McMeniman / Vickerman
5. Sharpe
6. Elsom / Heenan
7. Smith
8. Lyons
9. Cordingley
10. Larkham
11. Tuqiri
12. Giteau
13. Mortlock
14. Mitchell
15. Latham / Rogers

Ripper
12-03-06, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 12 2006, 04:39 AM
you all got your own nations to speculate on...so go ahead and judge the players now who you believe have made great early strides thus far and deserve a spot in your national colours..

new zealand

15.Mcdonald
14.R.Gear
13.Nonu
12.Mauger
11.Sivivatu
10.Carter
9.Weepu
8.Lauaki
7.Mccaw
6.Colins
5.Ryan
4.Eaton
3.Hayman
2.Oliver
1.Somerville

16.Mealamu
17.Tialata
18.Jack
19.Holah
20.Senio
21.Evans
22.Kinikinilau
Flavell is really pushing for a spot IMO.

woosaah
12-03-06, 01:26 AM
i would swap eaton and jack and thats about it

cant comment on flavel for a number of reasons :)

Dumbo
12-03-06, 01:41 AM
I can... what's position is he looking for - waterboy?
Couple of games (losign games at that) means nothing, whole season to play out yet.

Dumbo
12-03-06, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by Wally@Mar 12 2006, 12:54 PM
10. Larkham
Rogers for me.
Bernie's a hell of a player, but think that Rogers brings a completely different structure to the game... dynamic, aggressive, unpredictable, dangerous.

Ripper
12-03-06, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 12 2006, 02:26 PM
i would swap eaton and jack and thats about it

cant comment on flavel for a number of reasons :)
Is one of those reasons being you have a hard on for Ruben Thorne still like the rest of your inbred province?

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
12-03-06, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+Mar 12 2006, 01:18 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 12 2006, 04:39 AM
you all got your own nations to speculate on...so go ahead and judge the players now who you believe have made great early strides thus far and deserve a spot in your national colours..

new zealand

15.Mcdonald
14.R.Gear
13.Nonu
12.Mauger
11.Sivivatu
10.Carter
9.Weepu
8.Lauaki
7.Mccaw
6.Colins
5.Ryan
4.Eaton
3.Hayman
2.Oliver
1.Somerville

16.Mealamu
17.Tialata
18.Jack
19.Holah
20.Senio
21.Evans
22.Kinikinilau
Flavell is really pushing for a spot IMO. [/b]
but collins would knock em da f*** out....


anyways its early days yet...only 4rounds in and we havent seen any real outstanding/consistant performers

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
12-03-06, 03:49 AM
eatons the mantiss!!!!!!!....

awesome player mayn..he ruined williams and then went to war against the force and then on the south african tour he held the lineouts together...

the highlanders 2 jumpers are doing great things too..im happy there are more then chris jack and ali williams now..seeing last year our problem area was depth in good locks..thats being covered slowly but surely

woosaah
12-03-06, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+Mar 12 2006, 03:39 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-woosaah@Mar 12 2006, 02:26 PM
i would swap eaton and jack and thats about it

cant comment on flavel for a number of reasons :)
Is one of those reasons being you have a hard on for Ruben Thorne still like the rest of your inbred province? [/b]
no i dont think thorne would have a show getting in there, i havnt seen enough of flavel to comment on how he is going, i havnt been looking out for him. that is the main reason why i wouldnt comment.

though if anything maybe he would go on the bench in place of holah as an impact player. but thats a bit of a stretch

The TRUTH
12-03-06, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Dumbo+Mar 12 2006, 01:54 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@Mar 12 2006, 12:54 PM
10. Larkham
Rogers for me.
Bernie&#39;s a hell of a player, but think that Rogers brings a completely different structure to the game... dynamic, aggressive, unpredictable, dangerous. [/b]
I disagree......... Larkham is the most important player to the Wallabies, always has been.

He has the best passing game in the world and we really missed that last year,the only part of his game thats not first class atm is he&#39;s kicking game,but thats why you play Giteau next to him.

Just look at the Wallabies record when he&#39;s playing compared to when he&#39;s not, last year we thrashed SA(5 tries to 0) with him in the team then look what happend to us in the Tri nations and NH tour last year without him.

Then you look at the Brumbies last year without Larkham compared to this years and the 2004 team, he&#39;s the best

I think Rogers would make a great impact utility back for us, not many teams have a guy like that on there bench.

Mr. Laxative
12-03-06, 09:37 AM
Aussie side

1. Fitter
2. McKormack
3. Sheperdson
4. Vickerman
5. Sharpe
6. Heenan
7. Smith
8. Tawake
9. Gregan
10. Larkham
11. Tuqiri
12. Giteau
13. Mortlock
14. Rathbone
15. Rogers

Reserves:
Young
Freier
Chisholm
Elsom
Cordingley
Gerrard
Mitchell

The TRUTH
12-03-06, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Jacko@Mar 12 2006, 09:37 PM
Aussie side

1. Fitter
2. McKormack
3. Sheperdson
4. Vickerman
5. Sharpe
6. Heenan
7. Smith
8. Tawake
9. Gregan
10. Larkham
11. Tuqiri
12. Giteau
13. Mortlock
14. Rathbone
15. Rogers

Reserves:
Young
Freier
Chisholm
Elsom
Cordingley
Gerrard
Ashley-Cooper
Very Brumbies biased side there Jacko....

I dont think Connolly is going to pick the brumbies third string hooker when we got Paul(injured),Freier,Cannon and Moore in good form..... and i dint think Tawake will ever see a Wallabies Jersey.

I&#39;m also a bit suprised with your sig that you dont have Mitchell somewhere in that team...... personally I think Gerrard has been our best winger so far this year.

I would go with...

1.FITTER(he&#39;s a must with our scrum problems last year)
2.PAUL/FREIER
3.BAXTER(in great form)ROBINSON(can play both loose and tight)
4.SHARPE
5.VICKERMAN
6.ELSOM/HEENAN
7.SMITH
8.FAVA(best #8 in oz)

9.CORDINGLEY
10.LARKHAM
11.GERRARD
12.GITEAU
13.MORTLOCK
14.TUQIRI
15.LATHAM

GREGAN
MITCHELL
YOUNG
MCMENIMAN
WAUGH
ROGERS
LYONS
RATHBONE.......blah blah blah

kaftka
12-03-06, 10:35 AM
Ooh ooh!! How about a

11 Gerrard
12 Giteau
13 Tuqiri
14 Mitchell
15 Latham

backline?

Just for debate purposes.

The TRUTH
12-03-06, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by kaftka@Mar 12 2006, 10:35 PM
Ooh ooh!! How about a

11 Gerrard
12 Giteau
13 Tuqiri
14 Mitchell
15 Latham

backline?

Just for debate purposes.
Are you Crazy.... thats way to out there ;)

kaftka
12-03-06, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by The TRUTH!!+Mar 13 2006, 01:06 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-kaftka@Mar 12 2006, 10:35 PM
Ooh ooh!! How about a

11 Gerrard
12 Giteau
13 Tuqiri
14 Mitchell
15 Latham

backline?

Just for debate purposes.
Are you Crazy.... thats way to out there ;) [/b]
It makes sense.

Gerrard, Tuqiri, and Mitchell are all class, and I hate Mortlock for reasons that may or may not be obvious.

The TRUTH
12-03-06, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by kaftka+Mar 13 2006, 12:12 AM-->

Originally posted by The TRUTH!!@Mar 13 2006, 01:06 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-kaftka@Mar 12 2006, 10:35 PM
Ooh ooh!! How about a

11 Gerrard
12 Giteau
13 Tuqiri
14 Mitchell
15 Latham

backline?

Just for debate purposes.
Are you Crazy.... thats way to out there ;)
It makes sense.

Gerrard, Tuqiri, and Mitchell are all class, and I hate Mortlock for reasons that may or may not be obvious. [/b]
Yeah it sounds good to me ,but Mortlock has been one of the best players in the Super14 so far and Tuqiri is yet to get his chance at 13 this year.

When Dell returns to the Tahs team Tuqiri will surely get his chance at 13.... and then we&#39;ll see how good he is at Outside...... he may well take that spot from Mortlock...... and wouldn&#39;t you Kiwis just love that. :)

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
12-03-06, 02:05 PM
gerrad sucks...hes the aussie version of caleb ralph...an opportunistic player and far from any sort of real impact...

sure he scores tries and what not...but look at the players around em?..like giteau,larkham and mortlock who do all the hardwork for him to do his fancy finishing..great utility too have but not a great player who can change the tide of a game of his own

The TRUTH
12-03-06, 02:51 PM
Gerrard>joe/dougie

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
12-03-06, 03:14 PM
hahahhahahaha

sanzar
12-03-06, 08:13 PM
For Aus I&#39;d go:

1.FITTER
2.FREIER
3.BAXTER
4.SHARPE
5.VICKERMAN
6.ELSOM
7.SMITH
8.FAVA

9.CORDINGLEY
10.ROGERS (Tough call, but seriously Rogers threatens almost EVERY time he has a touch!)
11.HEWAT
12.GITEAU
13.TURINUI (Still don&#39;t think Mortlock is as good as he used to be)
14.TUQIRI
15.LATHAM

Mr. Laxative
12-03-06, 09:10 PM
I picked McKormack on the form thing, the best hooker so far and as Paul and Palavi are out and Cannon hasn&#39;t impressed me I had to go with him.

sanzar
13-03-06, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by Jacko@Mar 13 2006, 08:10 AM
I picked McKormack on the form thing, the best hooker so far and as Paul and Palavi are out and Cannon hasn&#39;t impressed me I had to go with him.
Frier has been having a blinder, so I personally couldn&#39;t NOT pick him... He was also picked as the Aussie player of the round in the paper incidently.

187
13-03-06, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 13 2006, 02:05 AM
gerrad sucks...hes the aussie version of caleb ralph...an opportunistic player and far from any sort of real impact...

sure he scores tries and what not...but look at the players around em?..like giteau,larkham and mortlock who do all the hardwork for him to do his fancy finishing..great utility too have but not a great player who can change the tide of a game of his own
wut! are serious? he&#39;s not the ozzie caleb ralph!!!
have u not seen his counter attacking, he rips up, he&#39;s got a good step, good speed, good all round skills. he&#39;s definately no caleb ralph.
he can score tries on his own, most wingers need a little help but that&#39;s what seperates the average ones from the good ones, they know how to finish.
Gerrard is definately a wallabie contender..

The TRUTH
13-03-06, 05:33 AM
Originally posted by 187+Mar 13 2006, 05:22 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 13 2006, 02:05 AM
gerrad sucks...hes the aussie version of caleb ralph...an opportunistic player and far from any sort of real impact...

sure he scores tries and what not...but look at the players around em?..like giteau,larkham and mortlock who do all the hardwork for him to do his fancy finishing..great utility too have but not a great player who can change the tide of a game of his own
wut! are serious? he&#39;s not the ozzie caleb ralph!!!
have u not seen his counter attacking, he rips up, he&#39;s got a good step, good speed, good all round skills. he&#39;s definately no caleb ralph.
he can score tries on his own, most wingers need a little help but that&#39;s what seperates the average ones from the good ones, they know how to finish.
Gerrard is definately a wallabie contender.. [/b]
Very good post +rep


He&#39;s also one of the biggest punters of the ball going round.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
13-03-06, 05:54 AM
HAHAHA i still laugh....youre right he is an aussie contender seeing that ya lackluster of talent outwide is small compared to sth africa and nz..

im not ignorant he is a very good player but not great..he doesnt make any impact at all if ya put him in a useless team like the reds or the force..he would struggle and then crawl into a hole in his brain and be plagued with constant mistakes and knock ons like in his rookie days..thats why to me when peeps mention his name with the upper echelon players..i laugh..who have the brumbies faced of any real challenge outwide?....until i see him do the deeds against all the super14 team then i will kep this judgment

the truth compared him to rokocoko and howlett which is so lol..thats like picking matt dunning for a sevens team against fiji
bwhahahahhahaha....

the way the blues midfield is goin u cant blame howlett or roks fo any of that..they dont touch ball gerrard has an awesome midfield to fly off with a forward pack thats going forward....

he is a feeder of success..not a creator of it...

over-rated > gerrard

sanzar
13-03-06, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 13 2006, 04:54 PM
over-rated > gerrard
Gerrard can&#39;t really be over-rated if he&#39;s not highly rated enough in Australia to be a constant starter in the Wallabies... But he&#39;s never gonna push Tuqiri out, and Sailor will always start unless he&#39;s injured and then Rathbone is still a bloody good option (on song I reckon Rathbone is definately at Howletts level, maybe not Row your boat Coco or Lote though).

Mr. Laxative
13-03-06, 07:56 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 13 2006, 04:54 PM
the truth compared him to rokocoko and howlett which is so lol..thats like picking matt dunning for a sevens team against fiji
bwhahahahhahaha....
Actually that&#39;s not a bad idea... Dunning reasonably fast over 40 - you never know... oh well.



Wendell > Overrated.

Wally
13-03-06, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 13 2006, 02:05 AM
gerrad sucks...hes the aussie version of caleb ralph...an opportunistic player and far from any sort of real impact...

sure he scores tries and what not...but look at the players around em?..like giteau,larkham and mortlock who do all the hardwork for him to do his fancy finishing..great utility too have but not a great player who can change the tide of a game of his own
Gerrard is a great winger you douche. He sets up half his tries himself and his kicking game is unrivalled as a winger.

Wally
13-03-06, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 13 2006, 08:13 AM
13.TURINUI
You give retards a bad name.

Wally
13-03-06, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 13 2006, 02:57 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Jacko@Mar 13 2006, 08:10 AM
I picked McKormack on the form thing, the best hooker so far and as Paul and Palavi are out and Cannon hasn&#39;t impressed me I had to go with him.
Frier has been having a blinder, so I personally couldn&#39;t NOT pick him... He was also picked as the Aussie player of the round in the paper incidently. [/b]
Yes. In the Sydney paper.

Sanzar for Prime Minister.

The TRUTH
13-03-06, 08:42 AM
No way Gerrard is overrated, he would have been playin for the Wallabies much earlier if he hadn&#39;t got injured.

He was odds on for a spot on the wing after his 10 tries in 2004 help the Brumbies win the title, then he got injured before the Internationals which opened the door for Rathbone(who had a great year)...... he&#39;s class....full stop.


As for Turinui,there&#39;s no way he&#39;s at the level of Mortlock yet

He&#39;s got heaps of talent and maybe if he layed off the KFC and picked up a barbell once in a while, he could challenge Mortlock for the outside spot.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
13-03-06, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Wally+Mar 13 2006, 08:11 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 13 2006, 02:05 AM
gerrad sucks...hes the aussie version of caleb ralph...an opportunistic player and far from any sort of real impact...

sure he scores tries and what not...but look at the players around em?..like giteau,larkham and mortlock who do all the hardwork for him to do his fancy finishing..great utility too have but not a great player who can change the tide of a game of his own
Gerrard is a great winger you douche. He sets up half his tries himself and his kicking game is unrivalled as a winger. [/b]
great winger.


hahahahhahahahah....

sanzar
13-03-06, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Wally+Mar 13 2006, 07:13 PM-->

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 13 2006, 08:13 AM
13.TURINUI
You give retards a bad name. [/b]
*cough*

<!--QuoteBegin-wally

14. Mitchell


You were saying?

kaftka
13-03-06, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 14 2006, 12:00 AM-->

Originally posted by Wally+Mar 13 2006, 07:13 PM-->


Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 13 2006, 08:13 AM
13.TURINUI
You give retards a bad name. [/b]
*cough*

<!--QuoteBegin-wally@

14. Mitchell


You were saying? [/b]
<!--QuoteBegin-wally
Sanzar for Prime Minister.

Stormer
13-03-06, 12:07 PM
Bokke

15. Percy Montgomery
14. Henno Mentz
13. Jaque Fourie
12. Jean De Villiers
11. Bryan Habana
10. Jaco van der Westhuyzen
9. Ruan Pienaar
8. AJ Venter
7. Juan Smith
6. Solly Tyibilika
5. Victor Matfield
4. Bakkies Botha
3. CJ van der Linde
2. John Smit
1. Os Du Randt

16. Gary Botha
17. Jannie Du Plessis
18. Danie Rossouw
19. Pedrie Wannenburg
20. Ricky Januarie
21. Giscard Pieters
22. Meyer Bosman

Only 1 WP player... they have all been kak lately except for JDV, Luke Watson and even Shimmy.

The TRUTH
13-03-06, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by Stormer@Mar 14 2006, 12:07 AM
Bokke

15. Percy Montgomery
14. Henno Mentz
13. Jaque Fourie
12. Jean De Villiers
11. Bryan Habana
10. Jaco van der Westhuyzen
9. Ruan Pienaar
8. AJ Venter
7. Juan Smith
6. Solly Tyibilika
5. Victor Matfield
4. Bakkies Botha
3. CJ van der Linde
2. John Smit
1. Os Du Randt

16. Gary Botha
17. Jannie Du Plessis
18. Danie Rossouw
19. Pedrie Wannenburg
20. Ricky Januarie
21. Giscard Pieters
22. Meyer Bosman

Only 1 WP player... they have all been kak lately except for JDV, Luke Watson and even Shimmy.
You being a Stormers fan i&#39;m shocked that you have&#39;nt got Schalk Burger and Rayno Benjamin in that team

At least Benjamin has been pretty good this year dont ya think?

Stormer
13-03-06, 01:29 PM
Burger has been very disappointing this year he seems to have lost a lot of speed and stamina and goes down like a ton of bricks when he runs the ball, best loosie by far for us has been Luke Watson I don&#39;t know what he has to do to get a call up he must of ran over Jake White&#39;s cat or something. To be honest, Benjamin would be in that team if it wasn&#39;t for that miss tackle on Hosea Gear, I know he wasn&#39;t the only one who stuffed up and to be fair Benjamin was the last man in so Gear would of had all the mometum but you just need to pull stuff like that off, in tight games.

Bull
13-03-06, 01:36 PM
1. ???????
2. Schalk Brits
3. CJ van der Linde
4. Bakkies Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Luke Watson
7. Pedrie Wannenburg
8. Jacques Cronje
9. Ruan Pienaar
10. Derick Hougaard
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Jacque Fourie
14. Henno Mentz
15. Percy Montgomery

Stormer
13-03-06, 01:43 PM
No Os Bull? you think the old fella ain&#39;t up to it?

Bull
13-03-06, 01:47 PM
Getting too old now, but nobody else has really put up their hand in that position.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
13-03-06, 01:50 PM
ruan pienaar is awesome..i saw a currie cup game last year where he was doin exactly what his doin now..side steppin other halfbacks and midfielders

a sure talent to look out for...him cordingly have been the stand out halfbacks

comradie for style points..he rocks bwhahaha

Stormer
13-03-06, 01:50 PM
Agree, I think Guthro could be his successor but unfortunately he is out for the rest of the year correct?

Bull
13-03-06, 02:03 PM
Yes I think there is something wrong with Steenkamps hand.

Wally
14-03-06, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 13 2006, 11:00 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-wally

14. Mitchell


You were saying? [/b]
That Mitchell is probably in the top two bracket of wingers in this country.. yes.

Dumbo
14-03-06, 11:23 AM
Come Tri Nations time folks... woooow
Predictions?

sanzar
14-03-06, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by Wally+Mar 14 2006, 09:50 PM-->

Originally posted by sanzar@Mar 13 2006, 11:00 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-wally

14. Mitchell


You were saying?
That Mitchell is probably in the top two bracket of wingers in this country.. yes. [/b]
Are you kidding? The kid drops more balls than busy night in the cross! Hewat is EASILY better and more consistent than him, so is Rathbone (when injury free), Gerrard, and we haven&#39;t even mentioned Lote yet.

Seriously, Turinui is a way better center than Mitchell is a winger.

Mr. Laxative
17-03-06, 05:28 AM
now come on that&#39;s an unfair comparison! You can&#39;t compare different positions. Turinui is a far better centre than Mitchell, yes... but turinui will never be as good as mitchell is on the wing - if tu-y was on the wing he&#39;d be ****e.


Now mortlock, super on the wing, even better at centre... that&#39;s why he&#39;s ahead of turinui!

sanzar
17-03-06, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by Jacko@Mar 17 2006, 04:28 PM
now come on that&#39;s an unfair comparison! You can&#39;t compare different positions. Turinui is a far better centre than Mitchell, yes... but turinui will never be as good as mitchell is on the wing - if tu-y was on the wing he&#39;d be ****e.


Now mortlock, super on the wing, even better at centre... that&#39;s why he&#39;s ahead of turinui!
Mortlock has been mediocre at best for more than a year now... He&#39;s no where near as explosive as he used to be.