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Dumbo
03-04-06, 07:00 AM
Game of Round 9. Both teams come off a win and are the both sitting on top of the ladder… looking forward to this one!

Dumbo
04-04-06, 12:36 AM
Was the game of the round BUT Matt Rogers is out (confirmed)

woosaah
04-04-06, 12:41 AM
wicked should be another good win to the crusaders

i would laugh it was another 70 point slaughter :) that game was my favourite of all time :) just because it was the last game of the round and they were in the top 4 (canterbury of course on top of the table)

ahh yeah

Dumbo
04-04-06, 01:14 AM
Think I'll wait to see both team selections before I start thinking of slaughters... might be a few injuries in the Crusaders camp as well.

woosaah
04-04-06, 02:00 AM
i havnt heard anything, not even of macdonald after his "spear" tackle from nonu

i say "spear" cause it looked bad but it wasnt really that bad, just head into the ground kind of thing. just falling ackwardly i think.

Gay-Guy
04-04-06, 02:33 AM
Could this be revenge for the Waratahs??????

The Tahs are looking stronger each week......while even the Crusaders coaching management are not happy with the way things are going for them....so it could be a game that could go either way....

....however if the Tahs have lost Matt Rogers....well because he is sooooooo crucial to the way they operate at the moment.....I would say a Crusaders win....

woosaah
04-04-06, 02:48 AM
yeah but i still predict it will be close, i doubt it will be a slaughter not matter who is playing

The TRUTH
04-04-06, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@Apr 4 2006, 01:48 PM
yeah but i still predict it will be close, i doubt it will be a slaughter not matter who is playing
There will be no slaughter .... thats for sure.

If Norton-Knight plays fly-half than the Tahs can win this one

If he's on the bench then the Tahs will lose

simple

TheBokke
04-04-06, 08:34 AM
It is almost to tight to call but remember as the Crusaders prove time and again each year in the tight games they pull through. They have not hit top gear yet this year and they still have 7 wins out of 7 that speaks volumes. Form is temporary and class is pemanent Crusaders in a nutshell.

Truth if you only rely on Mat Rogers which I don`t think they do I think you are off the mark. They know have plenty of experience runnning through the team to cope.

Lets not forget this is going to be in the Aussie Stadium so that is a big advantage.

The Key man for Waraths this year in my opion is Hewat devastating boot and starting to score alot as well.

BigTen
04-04-06, 08:37 AM
The Waratahs have been playing really well and this is going to be a big test for them. If they can win (especially in Christchurch) then they will be the hot favourites to win the Super 14.

A loss now could dent their confidence.

It is a big, big game!

Rassie
04-04-06, 08:40 AM
True, very true, it`s a big game! Let`s see Tahs how will play vs a top team! IMO, for sure it`s not going to be 86-17 like in 02 , i guess it`s going to be only 96-0 :D :D

The TRUTH
04-04-06, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by TheBokke@Apr 4 2006, 07:34 PM
Truth if you only rely on Mat Rogers which I don`t think they do I think you are off the mark. They know have plenty of experience runnning through the team to cope.

Lets not forget this is going to be in the Aussie Stadium so that is a big advantage.


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Dumbo
04-04-06, 11:21 AM
Best of luck to the Tah's, if they win well then well done and all credit to them. However they are playing the Crusaders at home, the more I think about it the more I think the Tah's have really stuff all chance in this one... Crusades effort against the Canes last week really showed what this team is all about... they win, the consistantly win...

sanzar
04-04-06, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Rassie@Apr 4 2006, 06:40 PM
True, very true, it`s a big game! Let`s see Tahs how will play vs a top team! IMO, for sure it`s not going to be 86-17 like in 02 , i guess it`s going to be only 96-0 :D :D
You're just gutted cause we thrashed your Cats, and then overcame the pommy style play of the CHEETERS! :P

Rassie
04-04-06, 02:30 PM
Yeah, that`s also true :D

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
04-04-06, 02:56 PM
i dont believe the waratahs can simply win this...

it will take something extraordinary to get them the win...

once crusaders have a solid to firm control of the game..then it will over for the waratahs...unless 'the extraordinary' happens

crusaders by 5+

TheBokke
04-04-06, 03:14 PM
Half a sleep guys thought theyu where playing in Oz but they are in NZ for me that means the Crusaders will shade it for sure.

Should be a good game but really tight.

Wally
04-04-06, 09:00 PM
People who are saying the Crusaders are assured of victory really don't know this competition. The second best team knocking off the best team is barely an upset.

sanzar
04-04-06, 11:44 PM
Tah's have a great chance in this game if they can control it upfront... The Crusaders have been nothing short of devestating to every team they've played and have punished bad rucking with the skills of McCaw, which has often led to quick tries while the opposition is still in attack mode. However, the Tah's have their own nuisance ball stealer in Phil Waugh, and if he has a good game, then the Tah's have the ability to do the exact same thing to the Crusaders... but they'll have to play very tight, mistake free footy, because you just can't give the Crusaders an inch.
I personally think it'll be bloody tough, but I've gotta back my boys to win!

CARN THE TAHS!

ak47
05-04-06, 02:18 AM
TAHS TO WIN BY LESS THAN 7PTS

we might have matty rogers out

but we got the highest scoring machine in Super14 - 2nd yr running

our position on the table speaks for itself

On top with a loss
Best defense
Best attack

But we gotto keep it clean..........flawless footy................it will be tough, but we can play flawless.

Ewan Mckenzie is turning into a supercoach............he will prepare the boys better than any other coach in the comp.

I say chuck in an enforcer........and take out Carter.........legally or illegally......just take him out.

We can win without rogers.........
Dare I say if the CruFADERS can win without Carter

SANZAR is spot on with the Hobbit..........Waugh has to be there, and be a nuisance for 80mins.

Wally
05-04-06, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by sanzar@Apr 5 2006, 10:44 AM
Tah's have a great chance in this game if they can control it upfront... The Crusaders have been nothing short of devestating to every team they've played and have punished bad rucking with the skills of McCaw, which has often led to quick tries while the opposition is still in attack mode. However, the Tah's have their own nuisance ball stealer in Phil Waugh, and if he has a good game, then the Tah's have the ability to do the exact same thing to the Crusaders... but they'll have to play very tight, mistake free footy, because you just can't give the Crusaders an inch.
I personally think it'll be bloody tough, but I've gotta back my boys to win!

CARN THE TAHS!
That's some spiritual **** right there.

Even if the Waratahs don't take this one, as long as Mat Rogers returns they have a great chance to win the title.

Gay-Guy
05-04-06, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by Rassie@Apr 4 2006, 07:40 PM
True, very true, it`s a big game! Let`s see Tahs how will play vs a top team! IMO, for sure it`s not going to be 86-17 like in 02 , i guess it`s going to be only 96-0 :D :D
96 - 19 was the score that day....

Crusaders had seven minutes to score another try and make it over 100....but they showed mercy....if any team gets 100 points put on them in the super 10/12/14.....the comp would be seen as a laughing stock!

Crusaders have been in SEVEN of the ten Super 12 finals! Taking out five of those (50% strike rate championship record).

Unbeaten season in 2002!!!!!.....Blues almost matched it in 97 but had a draw against the Bulls in their first game.

Crusaders lead the Waratahs 7 victories to 4 in Super matches.

Only once have they lost to the Waratahs at home

The Crusaders have scored 44 tries against the Waratahs while conceding 28 from them.

They have amassed so far 358 points against the Tahs while conceding from them 261.

History pointss to another Crusaders win......

....EXCEPT!!!!!!......the Tahs defence at the moment is phenomenal!!! Defence may beat the Crusaders who have yet to really fire.....

...but what if this is the week that the Crusaders fire???? Won't happen. The Crusaders only begin to pick up 2 rounds from the semis...and we are no where near that.

96-19 (63 - nil at half time!!!)....the day a team stumbled across a Crusaders team with ALL their guns firing.....in fairness to the Tahs that day.....it could have been anyone......

esoj
05-04-06, 06:49 AM
Crusaders well not assured of victory would have to be firm favourites if you have been watching the competition at all. tahs struggled badly against the cheetahs last week and will be punished for sloppy play like that by the crusaders. The crusaders are just too good at the moment and the tahs not in great form. it will either be close game with the crusaders winning or a big 13+ win. just can't see the tahs wining it at all

sanzar
05-04-06, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by esoj@Apr 5 2006, 04:49 PM
Crusaders well not assured of victory would have to be firm favourites if you have been watching the competition at all. tahs struggled badly against the cheetahs last week and will be punished for sloppy play like that by the crusaders. The crusaders are just too good at the moment and the tahs not in great form. it will either be close game with the crusaders winning or a big 13+ win. just can't see the tahs wining it at all
Both teams have had spotchy and brilliant form in parts though... The Waratah's easily beat the Sharks, while the Crusaders were incredibly lucky to even beat them... And they've looked vulnerable in several games (so have the Tah's), but their incredible ability to feed off mistakes has saved them time and again. Also, they haven't really been out of NZ much, so travel's been a bit easier on them so far. Seriously, the Tah's are a good chance of beating them, and lets not forget that untill the 2 losses last year, the Tah's were at 4 and 5 victories against them, which was one of the better records of any team.

Rassie
05-04-06, 07:56 AM
If you trust your Tahs so much, bet on them, i think the bookmaker`s odds might get you some real money in your pocket! :D

sanzar
05-04-06, 07:59 AM
Originally posted by Rassie@Apr 5 2006, 05:56 PM
If you trust your Tahs so much, bet on them, i think the bookmaker`s odds might get you some real money in your pocket! :D
Way ahead of you :P

The TRUTH
05-04-06, 08:52 AM
'Tahs to tackle Crusaders head-on

Tuesday April 04 2006

'The scoreboard showed that we had the better defence'
Defence will hold the key when the two teams leading the Super 14 try-scoring race - the Crusaders and Waratahs - go head to head in a crucial Round Nine showdown at Jade Stadium in Christchurch on Saturday.


The Waratahs, who top the table have also scored the most tries - 27 in eight outings at an average of more than three tries a match. The Crusaders, in second place (just one point behind the 'Tahs) have scored 26 tries in seven game - an average of almost four tries per game.

These two, along with the third-placed Hurricanes (24 tries in eight games) are the only teams that average three tries or more a game - in a season dominated by defence.

And they are also the defensively most sound teams in the tournament.

The Waratahs have been rock solid - conceding just six tries in their eight games (less than a try a game). The Crusaders and Brumbies (on nine tries in seven games) are next best.

So it is not surprising to see Waratahs coach Ewen McKenzie talk of the importance of defence - rather than attack - when he discusses his team's showdown with the Crusaders on Friday.

According to McKenzie believes his team's defence will be their best chance of ending the Crusaders' unbeaten run this year.

McKenzie said he was "happy" with his team's defensive effort in their 26-3 win over the Cheetahs last week and added that they have the systems (defensively) to keep even the dangerous Crusaders at bay.

"They [the Cheetahs] have one of the best defences in the competition and make the most dominant tackles. But in the end the scoreboard showed that we had the better defence.

"We'll put some pressure on the Crusaders in our own way and maybe force them to make some mistakes.

"People will probably write off our prospects playing over there [Christchurch], but we had a really tough workout and it exposed a few things in our game that we can certainly attend to.

"The Crusaders are certainly a different sort of side and they will punish us if we make mistakes. They will punish us on the scoreboard probably more than the Cheetahs did."
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link (http://www.planet-rugby.com/Tournaments/Super_12/story_50154.shtml)



'Tahs to wage Waugh against Crusaders

Wednesday April 05 2006



'He'll play a critical role at the breakdown'
Waratahs vice-captain Phil Waugh will resume his role as starting openside flank in the Super 14 Round Nine blockbuster against the Crusaders at Jade Stadium in Christchurch on Friday.


Waugh played off the bench in last week's 26-3 win over the Cheetahs, to freshen up for the second half of the season.

"He's one of the world's best players and he'll play a critical role at the breakdown as usual," said head coach Ewen McKenzie.

Matt Dunning returns to starting loosehead prop after Benn Robinson suffered a shoulder injury against the Cheetahs last week.

"Matt's trained in the position all week so rather than rush Benn straight back in; it makes sense to play him off the bench," McKenzie said.

The Waratahs have opted for a traditional 4/3 bench this week.

"Another tough decision for us to make as Will Caldwell is the man to miss out this time but we believe this is the right balance for the Crusaders," explained McKenzie.

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link (http://www.planet-rugby.com/Tournaments/Super_12/story_50185.shtml)



Waratahs: 15 Peter Hewat, 14 Wendell Sailor, 13 Morgan Turinui, 12 Shaun Berne, 11 Lote Tuqiri, 10 Daniel Halangahu, 9 Chris Whitaker (captain), 8 David Lyons, 7 Phil Waugh (vice-captain), 6 Wycliff Palu, 5 Daniel Vickerman, 4 Alex Kanaar, 3 Al Baxter, 2 Adam Freier, 1 Matt Dunning.
Replacements: 16 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 17 Benn Robinson, 18 Rocky Elsom, 19 Stephen Hoiles, 20 Brett Sheehan, 21 Sam Norton-Knight, 22 Ben Jacobs.

Norton-Knight and Elsom on the bench :%#%#:

sanzar
05-04-06, 09:04 AM
Norton Knight is a great player, but he does look fragile at times, and I seriously think he's sometimes a better player when he's coming in off the bench... It may prove to be a master stroke, so don't knock it yet.

The TRUTH
05-04-06, 09:26 AM
I've got no real problem with Palu holding his spot ,he's been amazing the last few weeks. The Tahs are just blessed to have 3 of the best blindside flankers in the comp.(you can give the Force Hoiles next year :D )

I just think Sam is too good to be sitting on the bench, especially when there best fly-half is injured and the reason Ewan signed him was so he can play flyhalf (his preferred position) and he's only got 20 minutes game time at 10 all year :wacko:

I can see Halangahu trying to do his silly little runs against the Crusaders and getting put on his arse by Mccaw ,turning the ball over and the Crusaders taking the ball 70m down the other end and scoring :lol:

maybe im wrong,i hope he plays well............ just dont run(too much) Daniel!!!

sanzar
05-04-06, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by The TRUTH!!@Apr 5 2006, 07:26 PM
I've got no real problem with Palu holding his spot ,he's been amazing the last few weeks. The Tahs are just blessed to have 3 of the best blindside flankers in the comp.(you can give the Force Hoiles next year :D )

I just think Sam is too good to be sitting on the bench, especially when there best fly-half is injured and the reason Ewan signed him was so he can play flyhalf (his preferred position) and he's only got 20 minutes game time at 10 all year :wacko:

I can see Halangahu trying to do his silly little runs against the Crusaders and getting put on his arse by Mccaw ,turning the ball over and the Crusaders taking the ball 70m down the other end and scoring :lol:

maybe im wrong,i hope he plays well............ just dont run(too much) Daniel!!!
You have a point, but you can't really beat the crusaders playing conservative rugby either... You need a daring 5 eighth or they'll get you in the end.

Gay-Guy
05-04-06, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Rassie@Apr 5 2006, 06:56 PM
If you trust your Tahs so much, bet on them, i think the bookmaker`s odds might get you some real money in your pocket! :D
I bet on the Tahs in last year final becasue the odds were paying very well....and I always get insurance money in case the Crusaders lose.........but in the end the bookies got it right....and got my money.......small price to pay for a Crusaders victory......

Wally
05-04-06, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by esoj@Apr 5 2006, 05:49 PM
Crusaders well not assured of victory would have to be firm favourites if you have been watching the competition at all. tahs struggled badly against the cheetahs last week and will be punished for sloppy play like that by the crusaders. The crusaders are just too good at the moment and the tahs not in great form. it will either be close game with the crusaders winning or a big 13+ win. just can't see the tahs wining it at all
That might have something to do with the fact that you're an idiot.

esoj
05-04-06, 09:25 PM
or that I have seen the crusaders play a lot of game and also seen how the waratahs have been going. i still say it will be tough going for the tahs.

Dumbo
06-04-06, 12:34 AM
Head to Head:
Crusaders: 1 - Greg Somerville, 2 - Corey Flynn, 3 - Campbell Johnstone, 4 - Chris Jack, 5 - Ross Filipo, 6 - Reuben Thorne, 7 - Richie McCaw (Captain), 8 - Mose Tuiali'i, 9 - Andrew Ellis, 10 - Daniel Carter, 11 - Scott Hamilton, 12 - Aaron Mauger, 13 - Caleb Ralph, 14 - Rico Gear, 15 - Leon MacDonald.
Reserves: 16 - Tone Kopelani, 17 - Wyatt Crockett, 18 - Brad Mika, 19 Johnny Leo'o, 20 Kevin Senio, 21 - Cameron McIntyre, 22 - Casey Laulala.

Waratahs: 1 - Matt Dunning, 2 - Adam Freier, 3 - Al Baxter, 4 - Alex Kanaar, 5 - Daniel Vickerman, 6 - Wycliff Palu, 7 - Phil Waugh, 8 - David Lyons, 9 - Chris Whitaker (Captain), 10 - Daniel Halangahu, 11 - Lote Tuqiri, 12 - Shaun Berne, 13 - Morgan Turinui, 14 - Wendell Sailor, 15 - Peter Hewat.
Reserves: 16 - Tatafu Polota-Nau, 17 - Benn Robinson, 18 - Rocky Elsom, 19 - Stephen Hoiles, 20 - Brett Sheehan, 21 - Sam Norton-Knight, 22 - Ben Jacobs, 23 - Will Caldwell.
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There's gonna' be some good match up's in this one...

Gay-Guy
06-04-06, 06:58 AM
Yeah....Peter Hewats chance to redeem himself from chasing shadows last year....

ak47
06-04-06, 07:16 AM
Originally posted by Rassie@Apr 5 2006, 06:56 PM
If you trust your Tahs so much, bet on them, i think the bookmaker`s odds might get you some real money in your pocket! :D
the day i dont bet on the TAHS, is the day i am rolling in the grave
i think i speak for alot of NSWelshman in that regard

Tahs - 1-12 win - paying over $3.00...........

normally i tick the 13+ box but not against Scribe's Tribe

:bleh!:

The TRUTH
06-04-06, 07:29 AM
Waugh turns up the heat on McCaw

Wednesday April 05 2006


All Black star labelled a 'serial offender'
The Richie McCaw breakdown debate took another intriguing twist on the even of the top of the table Super 14 encounter between the Crusaders and the Waratahs in Christchurch on Friday.


Despite receiving support for his style of play from high-ranking refereeing officials, the Waratahs turned up the heat on the Crusaders captain as they arrived in New Zealand - labelling him a serial offender at the breakdown.

Waratahs flank Phil Waugh and McCaw main rival in the battle at the breakdown said he can't understand why referees have failed to crack down on his renegade tactics.

Speaking to The Daily Telegraph Waugh said McCaw gets away with far more than other players.

"You watch him play and he does get away with a lot of things that other players probably wouldn't at the tackle area," Waugh told the newspaper.

"He's got a history of that and a history of getting away with it. I certainly watch games, watch him, and think: How does he get away with that?

"He got picked up a fair bit last week. But I was still surprised he got away with as much as he did."

Waugh was prepared to outline where he believes Super 14 officials have been lenient on McCaw, while Waratahs coach Ewen McKenzie said he would have no complaints this week so long as both flanks were treated equally by South African referee Jonathan Kaplan.

"He makes the tackle, lies on the tackled player, and he's allowed to get away with it," Waugh said.

"So we'll be doing everything we can to clear him out of that area when he does make a tackle so he won't have the opportunity to slow the ball down.

"Then there's diving in on the ball, getting his hands on the ball and then getting back on his feet. That's clearly ... killing the ball."

Others complain that McCaw's reputation as arguably the world's best forward somehow earns him the license to join rucks and mauls from the side and not "through the gate" at the back of the breakdown as the laws demand.

For all his spoiling, McCaw has never received a yellow card in Super 14 or Tests for persistent offences. Nor for that matter has Waugh.

"But I don't give away enough penalties," Waugh said. "Not like Richie."

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link (http://www.planet-rugby.com/Tournaments/Super_12/story_50207.shtml)

esoj
06-04-06, 07:42 AM
lol what a crack up. mcCaw is not the world's best no 7 for nothing mr waugh. I suggest waugh studies the video again and takes notes of how to play the position

Dumbo
06-04-06, 07:44 AM
Well that’s a lot of crap... everyone knows Waugh can't use words that have more than one syllable

Gay-Guy
06-04-06, 08:05 AM
Originally posted by ak47+Apr 6 2006, 06:16 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Rassie@Apr 5 2006, 06:56 PM
If you trust your Tahs so much, bet on them, i think the bookmaker`s odds might get you some real money in your pocket!* :D
the day i dont bet on the TAHS, is the day i am rolling in the grave
i think i speak for alot of NSWelshman in that regard

Tahs - 1-12 win - paying over $3.00...........

normally i tick the 13+ box but not against Scribe&#39;s Tribe

:bleh!: [/b]
Hmmmmm....I may bet on the tahs ten dollars if the odds improve.....

....got to have the insurance money in case the Crusaders lose...........

Gay-Guy
06-04-06, 08:56 AM
wow the waratahs are paying $5.25 for a win under 12 points and $13 on a win over 13 points!!!!

So I am spending ten dollars on the Tahs......$5 for 12 points and under (I get $25) and I am putting $5 on 13+ points (I get $65)......

or a Crusaders victory....either way I will be happy....

woosaah
06-04-06, 12:20 PM
how much would u get back if u put 5 bucks on canterbury as well?

Groen_en_Goud
07-04-06, 06:09 AM
I have a feeling that the Crusaders are going to win by 8 points. They have been too consistent. Even when they have been down during games, they have never shown signs that they are going to lose the game. They put in a good full 80 minutes. Even against the Sharks, I felt that the Crusaders were never out of it, and that they would bounce back.

Go the Crusaders!!!

aussie1st
07-04-06, 06:50 AM
The 1st and 2nd five look to be the Tahs weakness. Halangahu is a runner mainly his kicking is suspect, if it wasn&#39;t Hewart wouldn&#39;t have kicked as much as he did. Berne hasn&#39;t really impressed me this season.

The TRUTH
07-04-06, 09:24 AM
14-3

Crusaders are slowing down the ball, Halangahu is offering nothing in attack

they need to make a change at 10

Dumbo
07-04-06, 09:29 AM
More like..

14-3 to the Crusaders.
Crusaders are using the ball wide and making the breaks. The Tah&#39;s have offered little in attacking Rugby. Unless the Tah&#39;s coach can fire up his boys then they&#39;re going down like the titanic (did I say that the Tah&#39;s are offering nothing?).

Dumbo
07-04-06, 10:05 AM
Turning out into a bloody good game... 17-11 Crusaders 10mins left

Groen_en_Goud
07-04-06, 10:22 AM
Congratulations Crusaders. :bravo: Great game to watch. 17-11

Dumbo
07-04-06, 10:22 AM
17-11 Crusaders

What a hell of a second half, anyone that’s in the Northern part of world... check this game out full on... Crusaders played a look of mistakes and gave the Tah&#39;s a lot of chances, still tough full credit to the Crusaders and the Tah&#39;s.

The Tah&#39;s showed some great ball skills but without Rodgers they came up only a little bit short.

sanzar
07-04-06, 10:24 AM
f***! Crusaders win 17-11.
Brilliant match though, best of the season so far by a fair way, as the commentator said it almost had a test match feel to it. Gotta say though, I really think the Tah&#39;s could have got taken the match if they&#39;d had just that extra bit of attacking power that Rogers brings... still though, bloody good game.

The TRUTH
07-04-06, 10:33 AM
Waratahs were great IMO and deserved to win the game

Every time the Tahs had a try on, the Crusaders would lay all over the ruck and slow down the ball which gave the Tahs no chance to get the try.(and gave them a useless penalty)

Look at the penalty count ,the Tahs gave away only one penalty (which was absolute bull****) and that resulted in 3 BS points for the Crusaders.Take those 3 points off the Crusaders score and the Tahs had heaps of chances to level the scores and even go infront.

I think this game proved that the Crusaders are the biggest cheats in the comp( at the breakdown) and the Tahs are the best team.(controversial!!!!!)

No Rogers!!, take Carter out of there team and see how well they would have done tonight.

Dumbo
07-04-06, 10:44 AM
Nah... this game showed that when your in front you play &#39;in front&#39; rugby.
I think if the Crusaders where behind then the Crusaders would have played &#39;behind&#39; rugby and the Tah&#39;s still would have lost.

Simple as that. A wins a win and when you’re in front you go on Defense...

sanzar
07-04-06, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Dumbo@Apr 7 2006, 08:44 PM
Nah... this game showed that when your in front you play &#39;in front&#39; rugby.
I think if the Crusaders where behind then the Crusaders would have played &#39;behind&#39; rugby and the Tah&#39;s still would have lost.

Simple as that. A wins a win and when you’re in front you go on Defense...
Yeah, but had Rogers been there, the attack would have been so much more potent. You can&#39;t deny that.

Dumbo
07-04-06, 11:07 AM
Bummer he wasn&#39;t there... Rogers gets my vote (as a kiwi) as the best 1st5 in Aus. The effort put in by the Tah&#39;s 1st5 tonight would have been a solid performance in the under 19&#39;s... but not in this league, yeah... would have really liked to seen Rogers in action tonight.

When you&#39;ve got a backline like the Tah&#39;s you have to use them... you&#39;re an idiot if you don&#39;t, the 1st5 tonight was ****, he used himself and came out way short.

But the Tah’s ardent alone, the Highlanders have got the same problem.

aussie1st
07-04-06, 11:08 AM
The Crusaders clearly looked the most potent team and their defence clearly was the better. It&#39;s the same old problem for the Tahs, good pack, good backs but no number 10.

Dumbo
07-04-06, 11:09 AM
Yup, damn straight.

The season isn&#39;t over yet though (that wasn&#39;t the final but maybe a sneak preview of what it could be without without Rogers)

aussie1st
07-04-06, 11:20 AM
Without Rogers, I wouldn&#39;t want the Tahs in the final. That would be gifting the Crusaders a title. The Crusaders come finals time will be at their peak which is a scary sight given they are unbeaten.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
07-04-06, 02:18 PM
who said they are automatic finalist?......we will see come final time...if however they play again this year crusaders will destroy them...domination everywhere

sanzar
07-04-06, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Apr 8 2006, 12:18 AM
who said they are automatic finalist?......we will see come final time...if however they play again this year crusaders will destroy them...domination everywhere
Yeah, it&#39;s hard to see anyone beating them at the moment, though the Tah&#39;s put in one heck of an effort! The forwards really gave it a solid go too, with the Crusaders maul attempts being stifled to the point where they seemingly gave up on them, whereas the Tahs mauls were making metres all over the place...
It&#39;s just so annoying the Crusaders are still bloody there! They remind me of the Brisbane Bronco&#39;s in the 90s.

nik
08-04-06, 01:03 AM
i thought the crusaders were back to their best in the first half....they were spinning the ball outwide as soon as they got the ball from the ruck...and it was great to watch..
i think in the 2nd half the crusaders sucked big time......must have been a lapse in concentration ...they were making too many silly mistakes...but they defended well...the tah&#39;s playd well in the 2nd half...but they never looked like scoring....

to me it seems the crusaders are stuck on 3rd gear atm in terms of attack and some of the skills they hav shown......im still waiting for their 5th gear performance

Dumbo
08-04-06, 01:49 AM
Where&#39;s Wendy and Lote? Think they deserve to have their pay deducted for that performance... not going to read to much into this game... Rogers wasn&#39;t there (it be like the Crusaders losing and Carter wasn&#39;t playing).

sanzar
08-04-06, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by nik@Apr 8 2006, 11:03 AM
i thought the crusaders were back to their best in the first half....they were spinning the ball outwide as soon as they got the ball from the ruck...and it was great to watch..
i think in the 2nd half the crusaders sucked big time......must have been a lapse in concentration ...they were making too many silly mistakes...but they defended well...the tah&#39;s playd well in the 2nd half...but they never looked like scoring....

They lacked imagination that&#39;s for sure, but they didn&#39;t have Rogers and he is the only player they have that can really turn them into a powerful attacking team...




to me it seems the crusaders are stuck on 3rd gear atm in terms of attack and some of the skills they hav shown......im still waiting for their 5th gear performance
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I personally thought the Tahs were still in 3rd gear for a lot of the first half, and while they picked it up in the second, they still played very conservatively and didn&#39;t use all their attacking options... but they seem to do that a lot against the Crusaders, it&#39;s like they&#39;re afraid to chance their arm in the same way they would in other matches.

esoj
08-04-06, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by The TRUTH!!@Apr 7 2006, 10:33 PM
Waratahs were great IMO and deserved to win the game

Every time the Tahs had a try on, the Crusaders would lay all over the ruck and slow down the ball which gave the Tahs no chance to get the try.(and gave them a useless penalty)

Look at the penalty count ,the Tahs gave away only one penalty (which was absolute bull****) and that resulted in 3 BS points for the Crusaders.Take those 3 points off the Crusaders score and the Tahs had heaps of chances to level the scores and even go infront.

I think this game proved that the Crusaders are the biggest cheats in the comp( at the breakdown) and the Tahs are the best team.(controversial!!!!!)

No Rogers!!, take Carter out of there team and see how well they would have done tonight.
a lot of those penalites that the tahs got were 50/50 at best and were proabbly on the back of the media hype imo.

I don&#39;t think the crusders were lying all over the ruck as the tahs were getting really quick ball still. I think the lack of a qaulity 10 really showed when the tahs were on attack.

rogers was a huge blow to the tahs they just don&#39;t play well without him. the match went as I predicited basically was a close game but crusaders still won. tahs never looked like wining it at all.

of course the game may have been different if carter wasn&#39;t there he is the best first five in the world so losing him would affect the team. I still think the crusaders proabbly would have won even without carter they were playing that well espeically in the first half.

one more thing macDonald is in awesome form a the moment and must be pushing hard for the abs fb spot. I personally don&#39;t rate macDoanld but man he is playing very well and has to be considered to be the no 1 fullback in nz at the moment.

aslo mauger impressed me at second five. he broke the line a lot and was good in support and I think should be the abs 12 without doubt.

sanzar
08-04-06, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by esoj@Apr 8 2006, 01:13 PM

rogers was a huge blow to the tahs they just don&#39;t play well without him. the match went as I predicited basically was a close game but crusaders still won. tahs never looked like wining it at all.

Oh? Maybe it&#39;s my bias as a NSW fan, but in that last 10 minutes of continuous pressure I thought we looked like winning on more than a couple of occasions... what you&#39;re saying is that they Tah&#39;s were never in the match by saying that, and there I have to disagree...

Gay-Guy
08-04-06, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by nik@Apr 8 2006, 12:03 PM
i thought the crusaders were back to their best in the first half....they were spinning the ball outwide as soon as they got the ball from the ruck...and it was great to watch..
i think in the 2nd half the crusaders sucked big time......must have been a lapse in concentration ...they were making too many silly mistakes...but they defended well...the tah&#39;s playd well in the 2nd half...but they never looked like scoring....

to me it seems the crusaders are stuck on 3rd gear atm in terms of attack and some of the skills they hav shown......im still waiting for their 5th gear performance
Totally agree.....first half the Crusaders had their game on.....

....however in the second half they changed their game plan....now their game on plan is when they mix all the aspects of rugby together at once......total rugby....in the second half they played bash rugby and gave the territory kicking the flick......this played into the the Tahs hands and they nearly stole the victory....

The Tahs showed they are a class outfit by not letting the Crusaders get away from them........

The Tahs sorely missed Rogers.....he is the make and break of the team regarding championship material.

The Crusaders defence has improved immensely lately......

The Crusaders showed the form of the past in the first half......slowly they will probably start to extend that form at every game to last longer than 40 minutes

Peter Hewat has improved majorly since last year

Wally
08-04-06, 08:04 AM
There goes the Waratah&#39;s chance and getting a crack at the final at Telstra Stadium. The Crusaders are all but minor premiers, though they deserve it. Have not seen the game yet but everything sounds encouraging. It&#39;s hard to look passed a Waratahs v Crusaders grand final in Christchurch at the moment. Unlike last year, with Rogers at flyhalf I think the Waratahs could be a huge chance this time around. But let&#39;s just see how these last rounds pan out.

esoj
08-04-06, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by sanzar+Apr 8 2006, 03:35 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@Apr 8 2006, 01:13 PM

rogers was a huge blow to the tahs they just don&#39;t play well without him. the match went as I predicited basically was a close game but crusaders still won. tahs never looked like wining it at all.

Oh? Maybe it&#39;s my bias as a NSW fan, but in that last 10 minutes of continuous pressure I thought we looked like winning on more than a couple of occasions... what you&#39;re saying is that they Tah&#39;s were never in the match by saying that, and there I have to disagree... [/b]
they went largely no-where though. and defintely did not look like winning. the tahs were not out of it but I doubt they would have ever beaten the crusaders.

tahs badly need rogers or norton-knight to start I think. they just lack that creative spark on attack without one of these guys starting.

Ripper
08-04-06, 09:02 AM
During those last phases of attack in the dying moments the Waratah&#39;s resembled the English rugby team.

nik
08-04-06, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Wally@Apr 8 2006, 07:04 PM
There goes the Waratah&#39;s chance and getting a crack at the final at Telstra Stadium. The Crusaders are all but minor premiers, though they deserve it. Have not seen the game yet but everything sounds encouraging. It&#39;s hard to look passed a Waratahs v Crusaders grand final in Christchurch at the moment. Unlike last year, with Rogers at flyhalf I think the Waratahs could be a huge chance this time around. But let&#39;s just see how these last rounds pan out.
dont forget the hurricanes...they played well against crusaders too....they scored a try from set piece without tana umaga and conrad smith playing...whilst the tah&#39;s scored a try from a lucky bounce...
so i guess its too early to say that it will be a crusaders vs waratahs final...
its testing times for the tah&#39;s for the next few weeks...they still have to play the brumbies, highlanders, hurricanes, and chiefs (from the top of my head)

Dumbo
08-04-06, 11:50 AM
Crusaders I thin will make the semis based on that I&#39;m not that much of a retard and one plus one = two.

Tahs have a good chance, Canes will be there... Brumbies have a sniff and the Bulls... well we will see

Gay-Guy
08-04-06, 11:53 AM
The Brumbies are the Crusaders biggest threat for the title this year....not the Tahs.....

Wally
08-04-06, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Gay-Guy@Apr 8 2006, 10:53 PM
The Brumbies are the Crusaders biggest threat for the title this year....not the Tahs.....
You think so? I just feel Canberra don&#39;t have the depth to challenge New South Wales as Australia&#39;s best franchise, nor the forward pack. We&#39;ll see what happens when Mat Rogers returns.

The Brumbies v Tahs game is defiantely shaping up to be another great interstate battle between the two sides. With any luck it will be a dry night in Sydney when they meet.

Gay-Guy
08-04-06, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Wally+Apr 8 2006, 10:59 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Gay-Guy@Apr 8 2006, 10:53 PM
The Brumbies are the Crusaders biggest threat for the title this year....not the Tahs.....
You think so? I just feel Canberra don&#39;t have the depth to challenge New South Wales as Australia&#39;s best franchise, nor the forward pack. We&#39;ll see what happens when Mat Rogers returns.

The Brumbies v Tahs game is defiantely shaping up to be another great interstate battle between these sides. With any luck it will be a dry night in Sydney when the two sides meet. [/b]
Well the Brumbies may not be feared by you aussies.....but over here the Brumbies are feared more than any other overseas team.............can never underestimate them......

....the Tahs will always be like the Warriors........good, bad, close....but far...

sanzar
08-04-06, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Gay-Guy+Apr 8 2006, 10:10 PM-->

Originally posted by Wally@Apr 8 2006, 10:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Gay-Guy@Apr 8 2006, 10:53 PM
The Brumbies are the Crusaders biggest threat for the title this year....not the Tahs.....
You think so? I just feel Canberra don&#39;t have the depth to challenge New South Wales as Australia&#39;s best franchise, nor the forward pack. We&#39;ll see what happens when Mat Rogers returns.

The Brumbies v Tahs game is defiantely shaping up to be another great interstate battle between these sides. With any luck it will be a dry night in Sydney when the two sides meet.
Well the Brumbies may not be feared by you aussies.....but over here the Brumbies are feared more than any other overseas team.............can never underestimate them......

....the Tahs will always be like the Warriors........good, bad, close....but far... [/b]
Nah... much more like St George really. The Warriors win by luck of the bounce most of the time I think and aren&#39;t really a unit, just a bunch of individuals out to prove something, whereas St George has all the talent and all the promise and play like a team, and look like they are going to fulfil at certain times every year, but always just fall short from the pressure or someone is just that much better than them. That&#39;s how the Tah&#39;s are at the moment, they have the talent and promise and are a well drilled unit and know how to win most games, but can&#39;t lift enough for the big challenges!
The Tah&#39;s used to be like the Warriors, but you can&#39;t really say that anymore with their consistency... look at St Geroge last year, that&#39;s the Tahs :( .

I gotta say though, I do see why the Brumbies hold fear for the Kiwi teams... For the Tahs they are the toughest local derby match, but they&#39;re an Aussie team and we have the kind of game to play them (especially with a bloke like McKenzie at the helm, who knows them better than most), but they have been the side most likely to overcome the odds against stronger looking kiwi teams for a few years now... I don&#39;t know what it is about when they play you guys, but it is different isn&#39;t it?

Ripper
09-04-06, 02:11 AM
The Brumbies always seem to blow against the Blues, at least recently.

We beat them this year, last year, lost in 2004, beat them twice in 2003 (I think we played them in the semis, and the only game we lost that year was against the Highlanders).

I fear the South African teams more, each year we miss out on the Semi Finals by one or two points because of a mid to late season choke job against the Saffa&#39;s.

sanzar
09-04-06, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@Apr 9 2006, 12:11 PM
The Brumbies always seem to blow against the Blues, at least recently.

We beat them this year, last year, lost in 2004, beat them twice in 2003 (I think we played them in the semis, and the only game we lost that year was against the Highlanders).

I fear the South African teams more, each year we miss out on the Semi Finals by one or two points because of a mid to late season choke job against the Saffa&#39;s.
Weird... The Tah&#39;s and Brumbies don&#39;t really have much trouble with the saffa teams, especially this year. It&#39;s the kiwi teams later that can cause problems.

Wally
09-04-06, 12:54 PM