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harrison2468
20-05-06, 04:41 PM
How good is he, my SH friends? What are his strengths and weaknesses? How has he faired this season for the Chiefs?

dobrien7
20-05-06, 10:20 PM
Got injured early, sat out most of S14 even when fit. When he was actually selected Chiefs played their best of the season. Good punter, tactician, goal kicker and playmaker, just a little suspect defensively. Not afraid to take it to the line either being about 100kg.

kaftka
21-05-06, 01:02 AM
He's got a cool kicking style as well.... He was our best goalkicker percentagewise this year I think. I've always liked David Hill. He's very consistant.

-JJ-
21-05-06, 01:05 AM
I was always a Glen Jackson fan, so while I thought David Hill was ok I didn't really like him that much.

However, that changed this season when the alternative was Donald, I suddenly liked Hill a lot more.

Serge
21-05-06, 02:29 AM
I've always found him average. He plays consistantly decent, but has no x-factor or brilliance. He's a player that you could always tell would never be an All Black.

Dumbo
21-05-06, 03:05 AM
Hill as stated above missed most of the start of the Super 14 due to injury.
He made a few appearances at 12 outside Donald (which proved to be a good combination).

Overall attributes... good off loader, good line breaker, very good tactical kicker, good goal kicker and an average defence (sorry - more an unproven defence).

The thing that is missing is play making, he has shown in the limited games that he plays that he adds an exciting element to the number 10 jersey - more often than not taking the ball from set play mobile and not flat footed and ready to attack the line. At 28 maybe his time is running out to be an international.

It was a major shame for him not to play a complete season for the Chiefs this year as he might have had a long shot for the All Blacks in the internationals leading up to the Tri Nations (due to Nick Evans possibly being out with injury).

Compared to other 1st5's in NZ, he's no Carter or McAlister, maybe rated under Evans but he's a long way ahead of Lavea.

Ripper
21-05-06, 07:42 AM
Lavea isn't the 5th best Fly Half in the country.

Gopperth for a start is much better and should be ranked along side Evans.. and players like McIntyre and Ellison are both young and have shown flashes of brillance, I would rather see MacDonald play 10 for us again then see Lavea in Black.

The TRUTH
21-05-06, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@May 21 2006, 03:42 PM
Lavea isn't the 5th best Fly Half in the country.


Who said he was?

rc_souljah
21-05-06, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Serge@May 21 2006, 02:29 PM
I've always found him average. He plays consistantly decent, but has no x-factor or brilliance. He's a player that you could always tell would never be an All Black.
...he's already been an All Black...

rc_souljah
21-05-06, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@May 21 2006, 07:42 PM
Lavea isn't the 5th best Fly Half in the country.

Gopperth for a start is much better and should be ranked along side Evans.. and players like McIntyre and Ellison are both young and have shown flashes of brillance, I would rather see MacDonald play 10 for us again then see Lavea in Black.
Isn't mcintyre like 25 or 26?

harrison2468
21-05-06, 08:53 AM
Thanks guys for the info.

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
21-05-06, 09:42 AM
i really like hill...has a very powerful boot..he can play 10,12 and centre and hes a really big playmaker so when he is running at the line between the 10 and the halfback he can make some nasty gaps and open the outside runners...

overall..very very solid..makes the occasional big hit but defence is pretty average,but hes a 10 so what you expect?..at 12 and inside a great defending centre and a well balanced 10..he can get his job done with ease

Serge
21-05-06, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by rc_souljah+May 21 2006, 08:11 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Serge@May 21 2006, 02:29 PM
I&#39;ve always found him average. He plays consistantly decent, but has no x-factor or brilliance. He&#39;s a player that you could always tell would never be an All Black.
...he&#39;s already been an All Black... [/b]
He has never played a test. That doesn&#39;t deserve to be called an All Black if you ask me.

Candyman
22-05-06, 10:52 AM
Ahhh yes another southland player being taken from us to the bigger clubs no wonder southland does not do very well every half decent player they get these bigger provinces grab them canterbury(Justin marshall, Corey flynn) Wellington(Ben herring) Waikato(David Hill) We could of had Mils but auckland got him Otago(Jeff wilson, Paul miller(2 seasons and played for the cheifs).

And i am sure there are other southlanders than could name a few more

All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan
23-05-06, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Candyman@May 22 2006, 11:52 PM
Wellington(Ben herring)
You can have him back if you want we didnt even need him when we signed him and i we only did bcoz he carved Wellington up in one game, hasnt realy played that much rugby since coming up here always seems to be injured.

dobrien7
23-05-06, 11:30 PM
Plus he&#39;s from Otago, just played for Southland. You can add to that Luke Andrews, Steve Jackson and David Hill.

The others were actually born or lived here.

Candyman
23-05-06, 11:55 PM
Originally posted by dobrien7@May 24 2006, 11:30 AM
Plus he&#39;s from Otago, just played for Southland. You can add to that Luke Andrews, Steve Jackson and David Hill.

The others were actually born or lived here.
Yes that is true but he only got noticed when he played for southland its like every decent player that southland either aquires or is born and bred here gets snapped up by these bigger name provinces.

I hope this new New Zealand cup stops any of this or it doesn&#39;t happen as often

All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan
24-05-06, 07:43 AM
I can see it stopping the poaching with most of the top 2nd div teams in the top comp.It will be really great seeing the non top 5 teams becoming stronger.

Candyman
24-05-06, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan@May 24 2006, 07:43 PM
I can see it stopping the poaching with most of the top 2nd div teams in the top comp.It will be really great seeing the non top 5 teams becoming stronger.
Yes i totally agree with ya dude with these other teams in it and the salary cap it will be great i mean its already happening look at rico gear playing for nelson bays i know its only so he can play for the crusaders but he went to a div 2 team so he could.

All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan
24-05-06, 07:59 AM
You should see how it has affected the Wellington club rugby scene one club has lost 21 of there 22 top 22 players heaps of players have left to play for HB,H-kapiti and Manuwatu etc but anyway if it makes the comp stronger than im all for it. im also glad to see Justin Wilson has signed with HB maybe he will get some game time now.

Candyman
24-05-06, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan@May 24 2006, 07:59 PM
You should see how it has affected the Wellington club rugby scene one club has lost 21 of there 22 top 22 players heaps of players have left to play for HB,H-kapiti and Manuwatu etc but anyway if it makes the comp stronger than im all for it. im also glad to see Justin Wilson has signed with HB maybe he will get some game time now.
Yeah thats true......Its already looking like its going to be a good thing spreading the talent around the country.

But its a real shame about the club rugby though its the shame as invercargill but it seems to be a dying thing it sucks i play in the div 2 comp down here and its the biggest divison in southland with ten teams and the premier grade only have five or six its a real shame as it once was a good to watch as there were more team and its nothing like it used to be.

All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan
24-05-06, 08:52 AM
My gf is actually form down there she keeps trying to get us to move down there and then i could play rugby down there but im not quite sure what it would be like compared to Wellington club rugby.

dobrien7
24-05-06, 09:24 AM
There&#39;s nothing wrong with Invers, Queenstown only 2 hours away, Dunedin the same. With club rugby you may need to describe the level you&#39;re playing and between the TRF members from here, I&#39;m sure we could give you a good opinion of what it&#39;s like down here :)

Dumbo
24-05-06, 10:14 AM
Hey I&#39;ve got a question... Dunedin - what’s the place like?
My Fathers from there and he wouldn&#39;t let us go there (he moved North and said that they only time that he or his offspring could go there was over his dead body or our disinheritance).

What gives?

All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan
25-05-06, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by dobrien7@May 24 2006, 09:24 PM
There&#39;s nothing wrong with Invers, Queenstown only 2 hours away, Dunedin the same. With club rugby you may need to describe the level you&#39;re playing and between the TRF members from here, I&#39;m sure we could give you a good opinion of what it&#39;s like down here :)
Um im playing colts this year and proly next year too.

rc_souljah
25-05-06, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan+May 25 2006, 01:06 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-dobrien7@May 24 2006, 09:24 PM
There&#39;s nothing wrong with Invers, Queenstown only 2 hours away, Dunedin the same. With club rugby you may need to describe the level you&#39;re playing and between the TRF members from here, I&#39;m sure we could give you a good opinion of what it&#39;s like down here :)
Um im playing colts this year and proly next year too. [/b]
Who you playing colts for?

jinxed_nz
25-05-06, 11:32 AM
Ive always liked David Hill. I think that he ads that bit of stabillity into the backline. Hes never really flash and not the biggest play maker but he doesnt just kick it away stupidly all the time. Not like another Chiefs first five this yeah. lol

I am a fan of David Hill and for some reason not many people are. Sure hes not at All Black level but he shouldnt be over looked for the chiefs.

Although he does have his shockers, ive been at a game that Waikato won and he missed every kick. He has also cost us a few critical games. Didnt we lose a semi spot because we lost to BOP once a few years back due to a missed kick out in front? But what kicker hasnt had a bad game?

All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan
26-05-06, 03:48 AM
Originally posted by rc_souljah+May 25 2006, 06:19 PM-->

Originally posted by All_Blacks_Hurricanes_Lions_Fan@May 25 2006, 01:06 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-dobrien7@May 24 2006, 09:24 PM
There&#39;s nothing wrong with Invers, Queenstown only 2 hours away, Dunedin the same. With club rugby you may need to describe the level you&#39;re playing and between the TRF members from here, I&#39;m sure we could give you a good opinion of what it&#39;s like down here :)
Um im playing colts this year and proly next year too.
Who you playing colts for? [/b]
Wainuiomata 21&#39;s

THE CHIROPRACTOR101
28-05-06, 07:34 AM
well hes good enough to be in the allblacks again

Ripper
28-05-06, 08:00 AM
Would rather have seen Gopperth in there... although neither would be in there if Evans wasn&#39;t injured.

woosaah
29-05-06, 03:13 AM
AB callup puts Hill&#39;s overseas plans on hold
29 May 2006*
By EVAN PEGDEN

David Hill&#39;s overseas plans are up in the air after he was named in the All Blacks squad to prepare for two tests against Ireland in Hamilton and Auckland.


The 27-year-old Chiefs and Waikato five-eighths had not really thought of himself as being back in All Blacks calculations until he was given the whisper three weeks ago that he might be in line to play his first test.

He had been linked to English club Bristol and has a one-year contract with the New Zealand Rugby Union, which expires at the end of this year.

But the player, who became an All Black under John Mitchell on the 2001 end-of-year northern hemisphere tour and played against Ireland A and Scotland A, said last night none of his plans were set in concrete.

"A few weeks ago I wouldn&#39;t have given (becoming an All Black again) a thought," Hill said.

"All I was thinking about was getting back on the paddock (after a frustrating Super 14 season of illness and injury), playing a few games and then maybe looking forward to going away with the New Zealand Maori team.

"But it just shows you can&#39;t plan for too much these days."

Hill, who has been used almost exclusively as a second five-eighths by the Chiefs and Waikato over the last 14 months, was shifted back to first five for this year&#39;s penultimate Super 14 game against the Waratahs.

With Highlanders first five-eighths Nick Evans out of the picture through injury and the selectors wanting to spread the test load against Ireland and Argentina over a big squad of players, Hill now finds himself the likely back-up on the reserve bench for five-eighths Luke McAlister and Aaron Mauger.

"I played two mid-week games the last time I was in the All Blacks so obviously it would be pretty special if I can get on the field and play against Ireland."

Hill is joined by fellow Chiefs and Waikato teammates Marty Holah, Byron Kelleher and Mils Muliaina for the Ireland tests on June 10 and 17, while Sitiveni Sivivatu and the Chiefs&#39; successful Auckland draftee Sam Tuitupou are in the starting XV named for the test against Argentina in Buenos Aires on June 18. Another 12 Chiefs players are spread over the Junior All Blacks and New Zealand Maori teams. Sosene Anesi, Steven Bates, Stephen Donald, Jamie Nutbrown, Niva Ta&#39;auso and Bernie Upton are in the Juniors, while Jono Gibbes will captain the Maori side and is joined in that squad by Scott Linklater, Deacon Manu, Liam Messam, Kristian Ormsby and Anthony Tahana.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3683839a1823,00.html