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getofmeland
10-04-07, 09:38 PM
<div align="center">http://www.therugbyforum.com/uploads/9.gifNorthampton Saints v London Waspshttp://www.therugbyforum.com/uploads/6.gif</div>

All Discussion Here!!!

SaintsFan_Webby
11-04-07, 07:57 PM
I&#39;m so gutted they put it on the Sunday. Saturday would have been, but Sunday I have to go back to Uni in the opposite direction.

But then again I missed the last European semi we reached and look what happened there. (We won the competition for those of you ignorant of our hour of glory)

The only consolation is that I will be back in my favourite pub to watch it.

Just like the last round, I predict we will get humped. End of...?

Cymrurugbyfan
11-04-07, 09:41 PM
But then again I missed the last European semi we reached and look what happened there. (We won the competition for those of you ignorant of our hour of glory)
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Wasn&#39;t that the semi against the llanelli when the ball hit the crossbar with the last kick? :cryy:
Or am I thinking of a different match?

Prestwick
12-04-07, 02:04 AM
But then again I missed the last European semi we reached and look what happened there. (We won the competition for those of you ignorant of our hour of glory)
[/b]

Wait...you guys used to...win and stuff? :blink:

Joking! :bana:

SaintsFan_Webby
12-04-07, 07:34 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
But then again I missed the last European semi we reached and look what happened there. (We won the competition for those of you ignorant of our hour of glory)
[/b]
Wasn&#39;t that the semi against the llanelli when the ball hit the crossbar with the last kick? :cryy:
Or am I thinking of a different match?
[/b][/quote]

No, it was the match where one your neanderthal forwards (someone other than Scott Quinnell) conceded an utterly pointless penalty at a ruck for Grayson to put us in front with almost the last kick of the match.

Apparently it was the first kick he had taken since knocking out Wasps in very similar circumstances in the quarters. We deserved it anyway, if only for Quinnell&#39;s thuggish forearm smash to Dawson&#39;s face.

Makes me well up just thinking of the good old days. May have to dig out the video of this match, was a much better spectacle than the final.

shtove
13-04-07, 12:44 AM
Saints will ... win? Such an odd thought. But hell, yeah! And by 10 points. They can score trie ... a try ... or maybe scratch up two penos and a DG that bounces off someone&#39;s backside. So 9 points. Championes!

Err ... good luck with that.

Rugby_Cymru
14-04-07, 08:24 AM
There must be cracking odds for the Saints to take this trophy.

mrs cohen
16-04-07, 07:13 PM
I&#39;m going and really looking forward to it. Should be interesting coz I&#39;m taking my Dad and he really doesn&#39;t have a clue about rugby and probably doesn&#39;t know who any of the players are! Ah well.
I think Saints can win this if they can build on Sunday&#39;s performance coz although they lost, they did play well.
But then, this is the Saints we are talking about and they can never seem to string 2 good performances in a row.... I mean we beat Tigers and then lost, and then beat Biarritz and had a dreadful game vs Newcastle.....
Just have to wait and see I guess.

An Tarbh
16-04-07, 09:25 PM
Wasps&#39; ****e away form makes me slow to back them in this one, 2 proper away wins all season doesn&#39;t bode well.

Muse_Cubed
16-04-07, 11:46 PM
I&#39;m tempted to put a tenner on Saints if the odds are good. Of course I have a record of jinxing teams I love :lol: but yeah. Should be interesting. I wonder if Myler will be back because really...Myring at fly half doesn&#39;t instil me with any confidence whatsoever.

Rugby_Cymru
17-04-07, 11:45 AM
I still say put a tenner on Saints to win the competition. B)

Canadian_Rugger
18-04-07, 06:57 PM
Saints win the cup then get relegated booyah

Bullitt
18-04-07, 08:50 PM
Oh cock;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/6569531.stm

SaintsFan_Webby
18-04-07, 08:56 PM
If Myler was fit then I wouldn&#39;t mind so much, but the thought of Luke "what&#39;s an overlap" Myring at 10 doesn&#39;t instill particular confidence.

Bullitt
20-04-07, 07:37 PM
http://www.therugbyforum.com/uploads/9.gif

15 BRUCE REIHANA (capt)
14 SEAN LAMONT
13 Jon Clarke
12 Robbie Kydd
11 BEN COHEN
10 CARLOS SPENCER
9 MARK ROBINSON
1 TOM SMITH
2 MATIAS CORTESE
3 John Brooks
4 Damien Browne
5 Christian Short
6 PAUL TUPAI
7 Ben Lewitt
8 Daniel Browne

Replacements
16 Dan Richmond
17 SOANE TONGA&#39;UHIA
18 DAVID GERARD
19 CHRISTIAN LABIT
20 Johnny Howard
21 Seamus Mallon
22 Paul Diggin

http://www.therugbyforum.com/uploads/6.gif


15 Mark Van Gisbergen
14 Paul Sackey
13 Fraser Waters
12 Dominic Waldouck
11 Tom Voyce
10 Danny Cipriani
9 Eoin Reddan
1 Phil Vickery
2 Raphael Ibanez
3 Peter Bracken
4 Simon Shaw
5 Tom Palmer
6 Joe Worsley
7 Tom Rees
8 Lawrence Dallaglio

16 Joe Ward
17 Nick Adams
18 Dan Leo
19 James Haskell
20 Mark McMillan
21 Josh Lewsey
22 Alex King


Precocious: Dan Cipriani[/b]



What a twisted web is being woven at Franklin&#39;s Gardens! Northampton Saints find themselves at the Mad Hatter&#39;s crossroads: they are just two games away from clinching the coveted Heineken Cup and potentially just 80 minutes away from dropping through the trapdoor that nestles at the foot of the Guinness Premiership.

Should the Saints be sent down next week, they will be able to supplement their readjusted income with a little script-writing - their story has all the ingredients of a Hollywood block-buster.

It began, as all good Westerns do, with the arrival of a posse of out-of-towners on the search of a quick buck - if you were to believe Steve Thompson, that is.

The Saints stalwart recently broke ranks and identified what he believed to be the cancer at the heart of the former European champions - too many "so-called big-name foreign stars".

"As soon as you sign players who think they&#39;re bigger than the club, you&#39;ve got problems," said the former England hooker.

"We&#39;ve got players who were built up to be much bigger than they ever were. They never really bought into the club ethos. If you don&#39;t do that, then the club&#39;s got a major headache."

He might have a point. The on-going tension between the English members of the Saints squad and the foreign imports first emerged during the tenure of former coach Alan Solomons.

The South African and several of his compatriots were ousted after a small but brutal civil war that saw club captain Paul Grayson assume the throne.

Hampered by the closure of Northampton&#39;s rugby academy, the inexperienced Grayson was forced to take a leaf out of Solomons&#39;s book and went on a shopping spree of his own.

South Africans were exchanged for New Zealanders and the cracks in the squad re-opened.

"He&#39;s obviously got a chip on his shoulder," was Carlos Spencer&#39;s response to Thompson&#39;s outburst.

"We don&#39;t need people who have been a part of the team to be firing shots like that," said Mark Robinson.

Unsurprisingly, Grayson has reported that training ahead of Sunday&#39;s semi-final encounter with London Wasps at the Ricoh Arena in Coventry has been peppered with "argy-bargy" and has claimed, somewhat optimistically, that the niggle is merely "healthy competition".

Egos and angst aside, Northampton&#39;s drama has plenty of juicy cameos, not least the cloud hanging over one of the only bright lights of their season.

Dylan Hartley, Northampton&#39;s promising young hooker, is in danger a suspension of up to two years after being cited for "making contact with the eye areas of three opponents" in last week&#39;s Guinness Premiership scrap with ... London Wasps. Yes, the plot thickens!

But Hartley will not face Wasps on Sunday, as the regulations restrict cited players from playing until they have had their hearing. Matias Cortese takes his place.

There is better news in the backs though, with Spencer declared fit to play despite being rated only 30-70 by Grayson earlier in the week.

Then, after missing a week&#39;s action thanks to a facial injury suffered at Newcastle, San Sebastian hero Robbie Kydd returns at inside centre. Saints skipper Bruce Reihana, who filled in at 12 last week, returns to his more familiar position of full-back. Paul Diggin drops to the bench.

So will Northampton&#39;s story turn out to be a tale of heroism or in the face of adversity or an out-on-out tragedy? That depends heavily on Sunday&#39;s visitors.

Wasps are right where they want to be. They love nothing better than tearing the carpet out from underneath the feet of deserving and needy teams - and they have proved themselves to be pretty good at that dastardly manoeuvre.

A bold selection sees teenager Dan Cipriani facing up to Spencer in the number ten shirt, the shirt in which he orchestrated Wasps&#39; defeat of the Saints in last week&#39;s dress rehearsal.

Cipriani&#39;s academy team-mate Dominic Waldouck starts outside him, with the teenagers flanked by the experience of a quintet of capped internationals in the remainder of the black and gold backline.

With McGeechan still spoilt for choice in his back three, despite the diversion of Cipriani, there is disappointment for England star Josh Lewsey.

With Lewsey, Paul Sackey, Tom Voyce and Mark Van Gisbergen all fit and available, McGeechan has gone with Tom Voyce, who missed out on last weekend&#39;s game with a bruised foot, and Sackey, who played his first game in 13 weeks against Saints last Sunday, and making an immediate impact on his return with two tries against Northampton.

Van Gisbergen, who clocked up 15 points last weekend after taking over kicking duties from the absent King, keeps his place at full-back.

Wasps&#39; forwards pack shows only one change from the pack that dominated Leinster so comprehensively in the Heineken Cup quarter-final at Adams Park three weeks ago.

That change comes in the front row, where Wasps are without England prop Tim Payne, out for the rest of the season with a knee injury. In his absence, England captain Phil Vickery shuffles across to loosehead to allow Peter Bracken to come in at tighthead.

Whilst the cameras fixed on the tottering Saints and treble-chasing Tigers, Wasps are moving up on the outside. They are on the search of a double themselves, and are hitting form just at the right time once again.

It seems unlikely the mutinous Midlanders will be able hold off the masters of last-lap rugby, but desperation is at the heart of every act of true courage.

Northampton knocked out the favourites on the road in the quarter-finals, so why can&#39;t they pull off a home(-ish) win in the semis? It does seem a little far-fetched, but as the Saints know all too well, truth can be stranger than fiction.

Ones to watch:

For Northampton: Keep a close eye on the back-row, for it has been a constant source of penalties to the opposition this season, and Wasps are no strangers to putting the squeeze on and wringing a few kicks out of opponents.

For Wasps: Paul Sackey has slipped off the England radar since his niggly knee injury put pay to his Six Nations aspirations, but on the big stage and opposite Ben Cohen, Sackey has the perfect chance to get himself back into RWC contention.

Head-to-head: Carlos Spencer (Northampton) v Dan Cipriani (Wasps). King Carlos ought to have the nous and physical upper hand but Cipriani is a precocious talent - and Spencer might be carrying an injury. We will see what happens when the youngster runs at the older head, but one thing is for sure, these two pivots promise an open game.

Prediction: Saints to pull it off and win by a point!

The teams:

Northampton Saints: 15 Bruce Reihana (capt), 14 Sean Lamont, 13 Jon Clarke, 12 Robbie Kydd, 11 Ben Cohen, 10 Carlos Spencer, 9 Mark Robinson, 8 Daniel Browne, 7 Ben Lewitt, 6 Paul Tupai, 5 Christian Short, 4 Damien Browne, 3 John Brooks, 2 Matias Cortese, 1 Tom Smith.
Replacements: 16 Dan Richmond, 17 Soane Tonga&#39;uhia, 18 David Gerard, 19 Christian Labit, 20 Johnny Howard, 21 Luke Myring, 22 Paul Diggin.

London Wasps: 15 Mark Van Gisbergen, 14 Paul Sackey, 13 Fraser Waters, 12 Dominic Waldouck, 11 Tom Voyce, 10 Danny Cipriani, 9 Eoin Reddan, 8 Lawrence Dallaglio , 7 Tom Rees, 6 Joe Worsley, 5 Tom Palmer, 4 Simon Shaw, 3 Peter Bracken, 2 Raphael Ibanez, 1 Phil Vickery.
Replacements:16 Joe Ward, 17 Nick Adams, 18 Dan Leo, 19 James Haskell, 20 Mark McMillan, 21 Josh Lewsey, 22 Alex King.

Date: Sunday, April 22
Venue: Ricoh Stadium, Coventry
Kick-off: 15:00 (14:00 GMT)
Referee: Alan Lewis (Ireland)

shtove
20-04-07, 08:30 PM
What&#39;s Lewsey doing on the bench? He creeled Leinster with runs from deep.

Bullitt
21-04-07, 10:17 AM
He was ****e last week. As he has been all season.

getofmeland
21-04-07, 05:34 PM
Now this is an interesting setup, both having things to play for in the league and for Northampton, surely survival should be at the top of their interests however a European Cup Final would give them a Huge boost in confidence...

Wasps haven&#39;t been playing away from home to well this season, and Northampton just haven&#39;t been able to fire properly.

Sense would put their money on Wasps, but the Heart say&#39;s Northampton..

One thing is for sure its gonna be a tough game for both sides.

getofmeland
22-04-07, 03:18 PM
The Games Underway at the Ricoh!!!

3 Minutes in and Try Northampton!!!

Split wasps right down the middle, Fantastic Try... And its Converted from Way Out Wide by the try scorer Reihana...

Northampton 7 - 0 Wasps

Converted Penalty from Northampton

10 - 0

Yet another Penalty Converted by Northampton

13 - 0 - 17 minutes played

Muse_Cubed
22-04-07, 03:27 PM
I don&#39;t have a TV (the TV in college is occupied by f***ing snooker). But 13-0 sounds rather amazing :D although I hope Saints know what to do with a lead, we&#39;ve not had one often this season...

Prestwick
22-04-07, 03:31 PM
Awesome comment on the BBC live update thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("BBC online")</div>
"Right, I&#39;m set up. Room service and Rugby at the ready! What&#39;s the weather conditions today? It&#39;s very wet and cold in Shanghai. Bet it is a nice warm spring day for Wasps rampaging?" DixieBean on 606.

Ummm... do you want to tell him or shall I?[/b]

:lol:

getofmeland
22-04-07, 03:37 PM
Mistake by Spencer, then a Penalty for Wasps converted by Van Gisburgen

13 - 3 to Northampton 28 minutes played.

Spencer Looks Pumped...

Northampton look up for this.. playing some great rugby and stoping Wasps from playing their game.

Prestwick
22-04-07, 03:40 PM
Good god! The stadium looks empty!!!!

getofmeland
22-04-07, 03:42 PM
It Certainly does...

Try Wasps, Sackey Jugling the ball before placing it in the corner.

Van Gisburgen misses the conversion

13 - 8 to Northampton

35 minutes passed

Prestwick
22-04-07, 03:46 PM
Two of the UK&#39;s best supported teams and they can&#39;t fill a 32,000 seater stadium?! Especially with the amount of action that is going on in just 30 minutes?! For shame!

I think there&#39;ll be a fair few Saints and Wasps fans kicking themselves for being too conservative when it came to deciding whether to buy tickets or not.

getofmeland
22-04-07, 03:49 PM
This is Turning into a great game of rugby.

More Evenly matched than what people first thought it would be...

Hereos and Villians will be made in this game..

Also Why do I have this Hatred for Dallaglio... He really ****** me off...

Half Time

Northampton 13 - 8 Wasps

I wouldn&#39;t like to call how this game is going to end...

Gulli
22-04-07, 03:51 PM
Also Why do I have this Hatred for Dallaglio... He really ****** me off...
[/b]

because his neck is wider than his head!

getofmeland
22-04-07, 03:55 PM
Two of the UK&#39;s best supported teams and they can&#39;t fill a 32,000 seater stadium?! Especially with the amount of action that is going on in just 30 minutes?! For shame!

I think there&#39;ll be a fair few Saints and Wasps fans kicking themselves for being too conservative when it came to deciding whether to buy tickets or not. [/b]

Its a shame that this isn&#39;t a sell out... Just shows how popular these two clubs are... Considering that the Leicester Vs Scarlets game had 30,121 watching it...

Also when Northampton had an attendance of 13,265 at their last home game, and wasps had 8,053 at their last home game..

they would of been better playing it at Franklin Gardens...





<div class='quotemain'>
Also Why do I have this Hatred for Dallaglio... He really ****** me off...
[/b]

because his neck is wider than his head! [/b][/quote]

That will be it, and also he always has the ear of the ref...

Do we have any wasps fans on the board?

Prestwick
22-04-07, 03:58 PM
I don&#39;t think the BBC understands this "rugby ball game" thingy...

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2274/bbczc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

*sigh*

EDIT: I can almost hear Mite faintly scream "OMG HAX!"

getofmeland
22-04-07, 04:01 PM
What game have they been watching!!!

Muse_Cubed
22-04-07, 04:02 PM
<div class='quotemain'> Two of the UK&#39;s best supported teams and they can&#39;t fill a 32,000 seater stadium?! Especially with the amount of action that is going on in just 30 minutes?! For shame!

I think there&#39;ll be a fair few Saints and Wasps fans kicking themselves for being too conservative when it came to deciding whether to buy tickets or not. [/b]

Its a shame that this isn&#39;t a sell out... Just shows how popular these two clubs are... Considering that the Leicester Vs Scarlets game had 30,121 watching it...

Also when Northampton had an attendance of 13,265 at their last home game, and wasps had 8,053 at their last home game..

they would of been better playing it at Franklin Gardens...





<div class='quotemain'>
Also Why do I have this Hatred for Dallaglio... He really ****** me off...
[/b]

because his neck is wider than his head! [/b][/quote]

That will be it, and also he always has the ear of the ref...

Do we have any wasps fans on the board?
[/b][/quote]

Everyone knows that Wasps fans are just bandwagoners :D They just seem to lack the hardcore support base that teams like Saints, Leicester, Bath etc. have.

Huckleberry
22-04-07, 04:04 PM
What the F**k!!!!!!!! :lol2tn:
13-80!!!!!!!!

Prestwick
22-04-07, 04:08 PM
What game have they been watching!!!
[/b]

I have NO idea, but I want what the BBC is smoking RIGHT NOW! :bana:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("Muse_C")</div>
Everyone knows that Wasps fans are just bandwagoners :D They just seem to lack the hardcore support base that teams like Saints, Saracens, Leicester, Bath etc. have.[/b]

Fixed for great justice :lol:

getofmeland
22-04-07, 04:22 PM
Lewitt goes to the Bin
Northampton Man Down for 10mins

And who&#39;s there talking to the f***ing ref f***ing Dallaglio...

Always in the f***ing ear of the ref..

Wasps penalty converted

13 - 11 to Northampton

50 Minutes passed..

Thanks f*** for that Dallaglio is off...


Wasps Try!!!

13 - 16 to Wasps

Muse_Cubed
22-04-07, 04:22 PM
Why was he born so beautiful?
Why was he born at all?
He&#39;s no f***ing use to anyone
He&#39;s no f***ing use at all
DAYGLO!

Awesome.

Prestwick
22-04-07, 04:30 PM
Dayglo needs to admit that his days as a player are numbered and get on with being a BBC/Sky pundit.

At least he&#39;d be able to banter with Keith Wood, Jonathan Davies and the Scottish village idiot and not have a face like a smacked arse (i.e. Jeremy Gusgott).

getofmeland
22-04-07, 04:38 PM
Decisions seem to be shifting towards Wasps now...

Dayglo has come out and said he will play next season...

Try Wasps

Sackey again, it was converted as well

Northampton 13 - 23 Wasps

71 Minutes Played

Lewitt is lucky to still be on the Pitch, after his late tackle on sackey after the try.
The Ref Awards a Penalty at the start for Wasps

Prestwick
22-04-07, 04:42 PM
Such a waste. Maybe we need Wasps to lose now so that Paul Sackey can make mincemeat of the South African line.

Huckleberry
22-04-07, 04:44 PM
Dosn&#39;t look like the Saints are gonna win!!!!!!!!! :( :( :( :( :(

SaintsFan_Webby
22-04-07, 06:16 PM
Was disappointed with Alan Lewis in the second half.

Wasps got away with so much at the breakdown and set-piece, whereas he was constantly telling out players to keep hands off when on their feet, etc etc.

Lewitt was binned after Vickery tackled him off the ball from an offside position, onto the top of the ruck. I also think the incident with Sackey was just clumsy and drummed up to be more than it was. In slo-mo it looked bad, play it in real time and you see that it was fractions of a second, while Lewitt slid in rather than diving down on top of Sackey.

Someone needs to control Dallaglio, referees have seemed to actually listen to him for years, unbelievable in top flight sport.

We didn&#39;t have enough ball to win, but I feel more let down by the officials allowing Wasps to dictate how they wanted to play the game, no matter whether it was legal or not.

shtove
22-04-07, 06:35 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
Also Why do I have this Hatred for Dallaglio... He really ****** me off...
[/b]

because his neck is wider than his head!
[/b][/quote]
He has a head like a thumb.

Didn&#39;t see any of this. How did Reddan play?

And Saints didn&#39;t score in the last 60 mins! Fair dues to Wasps.

Some final in store, but are they going to fill Twickenham?

getofmeland
22-04-07, 06:40 PM
I doubt either set of fans will have enough...

If only 18,500 could be bothered to turn up for the semi and I would guess 12,000 were Saints Fans..

I Reckon Leicester will walk the final especially after that performance from Wasps.

Northampton would of been better opponents for Leicester I believe than what Wasps will give them

Bullitt
22-04-07, 10:56 PM
15000 Saints (you&#39;ll notice our end was near full), the rest were the Pests.

Dissapointing second half, it was evenly matched in the first. The ref was a fing joke however; Allowed Wasps to get away with crossing 4 times in 5 phases being one example, but at the end of it Wasps parformed for the secon 40 and a different Saints team came out so there&#39;s no disputing the result.

Also, that f***ing bald headded, mouthy, arrogant Italian-pretending-to-be-English c*** needs shooting. This is the one and only time I shall ever cheer on Leicester in a cup final, purely because that ****** plays for Wasps and he deserves to win nothing.

In other news, Ben Lewitt can f*** off back to Bedford.

shtove
22-04-07, 11:25 PM
Why so few &#39;pests&#39;? Adams park was stuffed for the Leinster match.

Dallaglio&#39;s attitude could be just what England need for the RWC.

Bullitt
22-04-07, 11:29 PM
Wasps don&#39;t have many real fans. Part and parcel of being strolling minstrels.

Muse_Cubed
23-04-07, 02:21 PM
Wasps don&#39;t have many real fans. Part and parcel of being strolling minstrels.
[/b]

QFT. I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve seen a hardcore wasps fan in my life.

Canadian_Rugger
23-04-07, 03:52 PM
I read somewhere about ticket prices being too high. Kind of bad though that the stadium was half friggin full. If this was a North American playoff game for any sport the tickets would of been sold out within hours.

I went and watched Montreal vs Toronto match in the NHL last month which ended up eliminating my Canadiens and the game had been sold out for 3 months prior to match. Tickets were going for $500 outside the arena.

Bullitt
24-04-07, 11:29 PM
What do we make of this, boys and girls?

(taken from comeonyousaints.com)

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Horrible, cheating Italian *******.

Prestwick
24-04-07, 11:34 PM
It looks more like a scene from some porno.


Tickets were going for $500 outside the arena.
[/b]

2.50 then in real money? :bana:

SaintsFan_Webby
25-04-07, 08:57 AM
What do we make of this, boys and girls?
[/b]

From the point of view of a disciplinery comittee, f*** all.

Obviously.