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SmokeyMonkey
20-06-07, 11:57 AM
Pool 1
Benetton Treviso, London Irish, USA Perpignan, Newport Gwent Dragons

Pool 2
Ospreys, Gloucester Rugby, Bourgoin, Ulster Rugby

Pool 3
Stade Francais Paris, Bristol Rugby, Cardiff Blues, Harlequins

Pool 4
Glasgow Warriors, Saracens, Biarritz Olympique, Viadana

Pool 5
London Wasps, Clermont Auvernge, Llanelli Scarlets, Munster

Pool 6
Leinster, Leicester Tigers, Toulouse, Edinburgh Rugby

Apparently.
And I'm chuffed to bits, pools of death for 5 & 6 though.....

MightyQuin
20-06-07, 11:59 AM
Pool 1
Benetton Treviso, London Irish, USA Perpignan, Newport Gwent Dragons

Pool 2
Ospreys, Gloucester Rugby, Bourgoin, Ulster Rugby

Pool 3
Stade Francais Paris, Bristol Rugby, Cardiff Blues, Harlequins

Pool 4
Glasgow Warriors, Saracens, Biarritz Olympique, Viadana

Pool 5
London Wasps, Clermont Auvernge, Llanelli Scarlets, Munster

Pool 6
Leinster, Leicester Tigers, Toulouse, Edinburgh Rugby

Apparently.
And I'm chuffed to bits, pools of death for 5 & 6 though.....
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I'm not too disappointed with Pool 3 either - certainly better deal than ending up in pool 5 or 6!

Bullitt
20-06-07, 12:02 PM
Judging by that, I'd predict the 1/4s will be

Newport
Gloucester
Stade
Biarritz
Wasps
Leicester
Llanelli
Tolouse

SmokeyMonkey
20-06-07, 12:04 PM
I think Saracens will be a Quarter Finalist the same way as Northampton last year, and despite having an easy group, I fear the Dragons still won't get through!

Prestwick
20-06-07, 12:11 PM
Pool 4
Glasgow Warriors, Saracens, Biarritz Olympique, Viadana
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As you can see, I'm quite happy! A nice trip to France/Spain & Italy! Not really bothered about going to Glasgow though..

Hopefully we can trounce Glasgow and Viadana hard enough to give us enough momentum for a vital win against Biarritz. Hey, if relegation fodder can do it, so can Sarries! :D

Where will you be going this coming HEC season Mite?

Also...I'm still not quite sure how 'Quins and Irish got into the HEC...:huh:

Bullitt
20-06-07, 12:14 PM
Where will you be going this coming HEC season Mite? [/b]

Down the pub, where else would I be going?

loratadine
20-06-07, 12:15 PM
ok these are gunna be the qfs


dragons
ospreys
stade
biaritz
clermont
scarlets
tigers
tolouse



chuffed to bits wif the draw for the ospreys :D

Bullitt
20-06-07, 12:19 PM
Sholuldn't be too chuffed, Gloucester will tear them a new arsehole.

Prestwick
20-06-07, 12:25 PM
How does one even get to Viadana?! It is like in the middle of this bermuda triangle betwixt Parma, Reggio and Mantova! Each 22km away from the promised land of HEC rugby! Impossible!

How exciting! :D

Bullitt
20-06-07, 12:27 PM
We demolished them a couple of times 2 seasons ago in the ECC, they have somewhere around 27 fans.

Prestwick
20-06-07, 12:31 PM
They had a very large and vocal contingent when they visited Worcester for the ECC last year!

Bullitt
20-06-07, 12:33 PM
Really? Wow. You sure this is the same Viadana?

Prestwick
20-06-07, 12:38 PM
I'm serious! They kept yelling "VIADAH-NA!" over and over and over and gibbering on in Italian and complaining about access to Sixways (a rite of passage for any visiting fan).

Maybe they're sadists and love the punishment?

MightyQuin
20-06-07, 12:39 PM
Also...I'm still not quite sure how 'Quins and Irish got into the HEC... :huh: [/b]



By finishing higher than Northampton, Bath, Newcastle, Worcester and Sale - or would you suggest two of these teams should be in the HEC to make up the 7 places England has instead?? :)

Prestwick
20-06-07, 12:42 PM
But I thought only the top four in the GP and the HEC cup winner were allowed in!

This is most unfair! *hmphs!*

As for Biarritz, my enquiries have been much more successful, with one French Basque hotel trying to "get in" with that urban Anglo-Saxon crowd by proclaiming that "the hotel have got the WIFI" homies yo yo yo.

Bullitt
20-06-07, 12:47 PM
Odds on you'll booik a hotel in Birritz and the game will get moved at the last minute and end up being played in San Sebastien.

Those crazy Basques!

Darhf
20-06-07, 01:12 PM
Pool 5 :
London Wasps, Clermont, Llanelli, Munster
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wow :blink:

Tin
20-06-07, 01:16 PM
it'll be a difficult group for bristol

but seeing groups 5 and 6 quite happy that theres atleast a chance of qualification

Prestwick
20-06-07, 01:21 PM
Odds on you'll booik a hotel in Birritz and the game will get moved at the last minute and end up being played in San Sebastien.

Those crazy Basques! [/b]

Pesky Basques more like!

dullonien
20-06-07, 01:26 PM
Group winners should be:

Dragons - should be too strong for Perpignan and London Irish.
Ospreys - won't slip up again, expecting them to win everything next yr.
Stade Francais - too strong for the rest.
Biarritz - Saracens might be in with a shout.
Scarlets - hopefully, it could be any of Munster and Wasps aswell.
Leicester - again, too strong for the rest.


Sholuldn't be too chuffed, Gloucester will tear them a new arsehole.[/b]

Not a chance in hell.

Bullitt
20-06-07, 01:30 PM
10 says you're wrong.

dullonien
20-06-07, 01:37 PM
Done. lol

Why so sonfident? Ospreys only lost 6 (I think) matches throughout the entirety of last season, and that was with them playing s**t most the time. They should be alot better next season, especially if Hook plays 10 for the important matches and Henson get's back to form. Then there's the players like Gough, Phillips, Brew etc joining.

If they don't win everything I'll be surprised. Only teams I can see stopping them are Leicester, Stade Francais and Scarlets playing to the top of their potential.

btw I'm not an out and out O's fan, I support all Welsh Regions equally.

Edit. Ooops forgot to censor s**t.

Bullitt
20-06-07, 01:40 PM
You're forgetting that Gloucester were the league champions last year (******** to what anyone says about Leicester), are unbeatable at Kingsholm and have since strenghened somewhat already. They'll be serious contenders for next years HEC.

Prestwick
20-06-07, 01:47 PM
10 says you're wrong. [/b]

I'll put down 10 pounds (of Webby's money) that says that Glaws will beat the Ospreys too.

MunsterMan
20-06-07, 01:47 PM
The system is flawed. Compare groups 1 and 4 to 5 and 6.
Group 5 has HEC Winners, Semi Finalists, Top 14 Finalists and Munster. Delighted to be underdogs, we rarely win as favourites. Based on current form Munster will be faveourite to come last so I'll hopefully get good odds on them to win it.

Leinster will be delighted to go to Toulouse again. Hopefully they can do what they did last time! They will get absolutely hammered by Tigers though, Won't see much ball.

Bullitt
20-06-07, 02:13 PM
People whinge about the grouping system every year when they get a tough group; Whenever and English, French and one other decent side are drawn together, there's always someone crying foul play. It's just the luck of the draw.

If anything, it should make the tournament more interesting this year as it's faar more balenced in the group stage then ever over recent years, so there shouldn't be anyone getting through to the next round "by default" as we have previously seen (such as last year).

getofmeland
20-06-07, 02:30 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
Also...I&#39;m still not quite sure how &#39;Quins and Irish got into the HEC... :huh: [/b]



By finishing higher than Northampton, Bath, Newcastle, Worcester and Sale - or would you suggest two of these teams should be in the HEC to make up the 7 places England has instead?? :) [/b][/quote]

Bath Should be there!!!



You&#39;re forgetting that Gloucester were the league champions last year (******** to what anyone says about Leicester), are unbeatable at Kingsholm and have since strenghened somewhat already. They&#39;ll be serious contenders for next years HEC. [/b]

As Bath fan I would have to say I somewhat agree with that however its going to be a great* game of Rugby...


* Should be on terms of the quality of both sides.

DonBilly
20-06-07, 02:35 PM
<div class='quotemain'> Pool 1
Benetton Treviso, London Irish, USA Perpignan, Newport Gwent Dragons

Pool 2
Ospreys, Gloucester Rugby, Bourgoin, Ulster Rugby

Pool 3
Stade Francais Paris, Bristol Rugby, Cardiff Blues, Harlequins

Pool 4
Glasgow Warriors, Saracens, Biarritz Olympique, Viadana

Pool 5
London Wasps, Clermont Auvernge, Llanelli Scarlets, Munster

Pool 6
Leinster, Leicester Tigers, Toulouse, Edinburgh Rugby

Apparently.
And I&#39;m chuffed to bits, pools of death for 5 & 6 though.....
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I&#39;m not too disappointed with Pool 3 either - certainly better deal than ending up in pool 5 or 6!

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Well it depends on wether you target the first or the second rank in this pool 3 but for sure these pools 5 and 6 are really tough.

shazbooger
20-06-07, 03:19 PM
Pool 5
London Wasps, Clermont Auvernge, Llanelli Scarlets, Munster

Pool 6
Leinster, Leicester Tigers, Toulouse, Edinburgh Rugby
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Ouch fookin ouch ouch ouch. There are going to be some mammoth matches in these groups. Leinster, if the carry on in the same way they finished last year will not get out of the group. They have made a couple of changes in the pack for this year, but not enough for my liking.

Munster on the other hand, well its really a matter of which two teams can get the results away from home. A complete lottery there in pool 5, but every week will bring a good series of games.

Cymrurugbyfan
20-06-07, 03:52 PM
Pool 5 and 6 ...... :mellow:


chuffed to bits wif the draw for the ospreys :D

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Yup congrats, can&#39;t wait to meet (and beat) you in the knockout stages :P

An Tarbh
20-06-07, 05:36 PM
Not quite the uber group of death for Leinster that it is in pool 5 but a tough one nonetheless, nobody to fear yet all teams are capable of turning each other over, can&#39;t see Leinster losing any of the home games and if Toulouse defend like they did last season then that should be an away win for both Leinster and Leicester, whoever gets the away win in Edinburgh should top the pool, can only see Edinburgh losing 1 game at the most.

shazbooger
20-06-07, 08:11 PM
People whinge about the grouping system every year when they get a tough group; Whenever and English, French and one other decent side are drawn together, there&#39;s always someone crying foul play. It&#39;s just the luck of the draw.[/b]

Yeah your right. Problem from an Irish point of view is that Leinster and Munster effectively have to top their groups to get into the quarters. Those groups are going to be so close that I cant see any of the runners up anywhere close to qualifying. A lot of big teams are on their way out quite early on in the competition.

Pool 5 will be seriously close. I have a sneaky suspicion that the French wont be too competitive (by choice), and by the time they decide to turn up it will be too late for them. That will rule out Clermont. That leaves Wasps, The Scarlets and Munster. It sounds daft, but at this stage I&#39;m kinda leaning towards the Scarlets to get out but it will be damned close.

Pool 6. Toulouse are notoriously slow starters and Leinster simply dont have a pack anywhere close to being competitive with either of the other major players. If they play the whole competition I&#39;d say Toulouse to go through, but I dont think they will so it&#39;ll probably be Leicster.

olaf
20-06-07, 08:29 PM
I think Toulouse won&#39;t we an easy team to play. During the second part of the top 14 they were quite impressive. In fact a key point could be how they will deal with their players who will have participated to the world cup. With the world cup, the 6 nation tournament, the Hcup and the top 14, there will be quite a lot of matches next season and they will have quite a lot of players that will be part of al these competitions.

MunsterMan
20-06-07, 08:47 PM
You have to be careful against Edinburgh because Patterson can be freakishly acurate at times and they will have Larkham too. I can&#39;t see Leinster losing to anybody apart from Tigers at home (Where is your HEC home ground next year?) and they should hopefully beat Edinburgh in both legs.

I fancy Munster to win all their home games and beat Scarlets and Clermont away and take at least a losing bonus point from Wasps in London (Hopefully we should have more support than them there!).

Bullitt
20-06-07, 08:53 PM
Playing against Wasps in London?

That&#39;s a first.

Cymrurugbyfan
20-06-07, 09:27 PM
I fancy Munster to win all their home games and beat Scarlets and Clermont away and take at least a losing bonus point from Wasps in London (Hopefully we should have more support than them there!). [/b]

That&#39;s a lot of wishful thinking :huh:

I can&#39;t imagine any team in this pool winning more than four games (Clermont will be the whipping boys and lose every game). :D

Darhf
20-06-07, 10:17 PM
I don&#39;t see Vern Cotter sacrificing his team for the HCup. He even played the Challenge Cup fully while other french teams had a rest.

IMO Clermont will reach the finals.

MunsterMan
20-06-07, 11:29 PM
Playing Wasps Near London if you must :D

A lot of our players have been waiting for revenge against Wasps for a while now and the QF in Stradey :wall:

loratadine
20-06-07, 11:58 PM
teh mite speaks ********!! jst ignore him

hes a racist vile little man!!

the ospreys will be the team to beat next year, theyve got stacks and stacks of talent, and are recruting all the time!!

shtove
21-06-07, 12:07 AM
Whoever wins group 5 should be crowned the winner of the tournament.

Same with group D in the RWC.

Bullitt
21-06-07, 12:15 AM
teh mite speaks ********!! jst ignore him

hes a racist vile little man!!

the ospreys will be the team to beat next year, theyve got stacks and stacks of talent, and are recruting all the time!! [/b]

Guess who&#39;s just earned himself a weeks suspension.

Cheerio.

shtove
21-06-07, 12:25 AM
<div class='quotemain'> teh mite speaks ********!! jst ignore him

hes a racist vile little man!!

the ospreys will be the team to beat next year, theyve got stacks and stacks of talent, and are recruting all the time!! [/b]

Guess who&#39;s just earned himself a weeks suspension.

Cheerio. [/b][/quote]

meh

DonBilly
21-06-07, 03:35 AM
I don&#39;t see Vern Cotter sacrificing his team for the HCup. He even played the Challenge Cup fully while other french teams had a rest.

IMO Clermont will reach the finals.
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Well you know the ASM played with their top players in the Challege cup from the semi-final, before that it was more the usual bench players and some U-23 who played the ECC for the ASM.



I think Toulouse won&#39;t we an easy team to play. During the second part of the top 14 they were quite impressive. In fact a key point could be how they will deal with their players who will have participated to the world cup. With the world cup, the 6 nation tournament, the Hcup and the top 14, there will be quite a lot of matches next season and they will have quite a lot of players that will be part of al these competitions. [/b]

We&#39;ll see the Stade Toulousain is not the CSBJ but next season the Brennus will be their top priority and with a so packed season they may decide to lessen the injury risks with the HEC.

Darhf
21-06-07, 01:46 PM
Well you know the ASM played with their top players in the Challege cup from the semi-final, before that it was more the usual bench players and some U-23 who played the ECC for the ASM.
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Yes but as the final phase was near the end of the Top14, Clermont could have benched his star players. He didn&#39;t and it was a risk.

dorgasm
21-06-07, 11:48 PM
i nearly cried when i saw the group.... :cryy:

munster get the short end of the stick once again!!! :ranting:

if they win the group they should be crowned their and then....!!

DonBilly
22-06-07, 03:54 AM
i nearly cried when i saw the group.... :cryy:

munster get the short end of the stick once again!!! :ranting:

if they win the group they should be crowned their and then....!! [/b]

Is your last statement valid for the other teams of Munster Pool? We could actually ask the ERC to restrict the HEC competition next season to the games played in this pool and to crown the winner of this pool.

danit
22-06-07, 08:33 AM
Group winners should be:

Dragons - should be too strong for Perpignan and London Irish.
[/b]Perpignan are buildin&#39; an impressive squad for next year, any other team in this pool will be destroyed

don&#39;t understimate too much Treviso too, they doubled their budget for next year and are getting a lot of good players


How does one even get to Viadana?! It is like in the middle of this bermuda triangle betwixt Parma, Reggio and Mantova! Each 22km away from the promised land of HEC rugby! Impossible! [/b]base at Mantova, a really wonderful town, one of the most beautiful in northern Italy

dorgasm
22-06-07, 11:55 AM
<div class='quotemain'> i nearly cried when i saw the group.... :cryy:

munster get the short end of the stick once again!!! :ranting:

if they win the group they should be crowned their and then....!! [/b]

Is your last statement valid for the other teams of Munster Pool? We could actually ask the ERC to restrict the HEC competition next season to the games played in this pool and to crown the winner of this pool.
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yeah of course!! what i should have said is that the winner of that pool should be crowned champions!!

yeah thats a good idea!!

lets start a TRF petition or something and persuade the ERC to cancel pools A,B and C and also the QF, SF and final and have the competition decided by pool D!!! VERY good idea, thanks! :cheers:

Prestwick
22-06-07, 03:51 PM
Actually, why don&#39;t we just not have any matches at all this HEC and just crown Munster the champions. That would be ever so much more "fair" for those with a victimisation-disorder.

Because, at the end of the day, that is the only reason why you&#39;re moaning about being drawn in such a group isn&#39;t it? Because you know, outside of Thurmond Park, you have just as much hope of progressing to the last stages as anyone else and that just won&#39;t do will it?

MunsterMan
23-06-07, 01:19 PM
I would point out that you spelled Thomond wrong but it will be called something like Toyota Park in 2009 for f*** sake :wall:

Prestwick
23-06-07, 01:31 PM
That was deliberate sir, to test your reactions and to see if you were paying attention.

An Tarbh
23-06-07, 07:03 PM
You have to be careful against Edinburgh because Patterson can be freakishly acurate at times and they will have Larkham too. I can&#39;t see Leinster losing to anybody apart from Tigers at home (Where is your HEC home ground next year?) and they should hopefully beat Edinburgh in both legs.
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I think we&#39;ve done alright with getting Jennings and Cullen back from Leicester, their experience there should have improved them as players, not too sure on Ollie le Roux although I didn&#39;t think much of Will Green and he was certainly a success. Leinster will play at the RDS next season, think the capacity will be around 20000, we&#39;ll know what it looks like come the horse show in August.



I fancy Munster to win all their home games and beat Scarlets and Clermont away and take at least a losing bonus point from Wasps in London (Hopefully we should have more support than them there!).[/b]

I&#39;d agree with that, although I seriously think that this pool will be between Munster and Clermont, have been very impressed with them this season in the Top 14, there will be hype over Llanelli although their form from this season is overrated imo. Toulouse and Ulster failed to live up to their hype, London Irish were never really up to much and Munster lost O&#39;Connell and Foley, and the biggest problem with the Irish sides is strength in depth especially in comparison to the other countries.

Rugby_Cymru
28-06-07, 06:01 PM
I&#39;ll be very diasappointed if Ospreys dont make it through to the QF&#39;s.
They should win all at home, but Glawster were pretty immense last season.

dobbin252
12-07-07, 02:33 PM
My Predictions -

Group 1 - Perpignan

Group 2 - Ospreys

Group 3 - Stade

Group 4 - Saracens

Group 5 - Wasps

Group 6 - Leinster

best losers - Scarlets - they got bonus points for 4 tries at Toulouse, Ulster and London Irish

Leicster - too good not to qualify for the quarters