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englandfan
28-11-07, 04:51 PM
What are everyones thoughts towards a return to England for Varndell???

Bullitt
28-11-07, 05:09 PM
Bloody well hope not. Useless **** he is.

Incredible Schalk
28-11-07, 05:46 PM
He has pace, thats about it.

melon
29-11-07, 06:43 AM
Decent 7's player, but barely good enough to make England's bench let alone the starting 15.

Prestwick
29-11-07, 06:51 AM
Considering how good Strettle is and how well Sackey has come on over the course of the World Cup I'd say that to bring back Varndell would be nuts to be honest. I'd rather bring in Noah Cato from Saracens A than put in Varndell...

Bullitt
29-11-07, 02:05 PM
Other players in line for callups also include Chris Ashton, Leslie Vinakolo, Bielzebubamanamanamanamon (at Bath), Simpson-Daniel, Paul Diggin, Daniel Thomas, Timm Web, Chris Brewer, Charlie Gough, Matt Wier (through an ancestral visa) and Peter Vine. All are far superior wingers.

SaintsFan_Webby
29-11-07, 03:24 PM
Am I now Norwegian? That's some crazy ass spelling of my name.

Bullitt
29-11-07, 03:42 PM
It's the blonde hair, makes you look Scandinavian.

Or at least one of Hitlers master race! :P

Prestwick
29-11-07, 09:38 PM
Other players in line for callups also include Chris Ashton, Leslie Vinakolo, Bielzebubamanamanamanamon (at Bath), Simpson-Daniel, Paul Diggin, Daniel Thomas, Timm Web, Chris Brewer, Charlie Gough, Matt Wier (through an ancestral visa) and Peter Vine. All are far superior wingers. [/b]

Oh yeah man, me and Charlie cut through Tim and Matt like hot knives through butter...for about two seconds before we got tired and went to get some drinks...

Tnebreux
30-01-08, 01:11 PM
I think you guys are a bit harsh with Varndell, but the truth is that I would choose Sackey over him any time (he is much better defensively now), and probably Cueto too. Dave Strettle still needs too confirm his impressive debut in last year's 6N. But I'm very interested to see how Vainikolo does, and I'd also like another chance to be given to Simpson-Daniel now that Ashton has promised a more expansive game.

cram1284
03-02-08, 11:36 AM
I think you guys are a bit harsh with Varndell, but the truth is that I would choose Sackey over him any time (he is much better defensively now), and probably Cueto too. Dave Strettle still needs too confirm his impressive debut in last year's 6N. But I'm very interested to see how Vainikolo does, and I'd also like another chance to be given to Simpson-Daniel now that Ashton has promised a more expansive game.
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definately take sackey over varndell

speedysalmon
03-02-08, 11:39 AM
Varndell has worked hard on his defense, he has the pace and skill to deserver a call up

lbculhane
03-02-08, 05:15 PM
hes good....he played well on friday for the saxons but he does seem to be a potential balshaw.....

Aubrey'sGambit
13-02-08, 01:44 AM
hes good....he played well on friday for the saxons but he does seem to be a potential balshaw.....
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Was at Welford road for the Saxons game. He had a shocking first half, poor handling and absolutely no impact on the game. Had a nice individual effort for one of his tries but the other was given to him on a plate. Also he might of been working on his defence but he didn't make a single tackle in the entire game. Geraghty and Crane both had fantastic games but Varndell seems to get the credit. As you can probably tell I really dont rate him.

glosbigboy
13-02-08, 08:08 AM
watched Vardell live on sat and he is appalling. Simpson daniel is in another league.

jb0708
19-02-08, 10:45 PM
Guy has got searing pase but cant catch a cold and dosnt have a rugby brain

getofmeland
19-02-08, 10:51 PM
<div class='quotemain'> Other players in line for callups also include Chris Ashton, Leslie Vinakolo, Bielzebubamanamanamanamon (at Bath), Simpson-Daniel, Paul Diggin, Daniel Thomas, Timm Web, Chris Brewer, Charlie Gough, Matt Wier (through an ancestral visa) and Peter Vine. All are far superior wingers. [/b]

Oh yeah man, me and Charlie cut through Tim and Matt like hot knives through butter...for about two seconds before we got tired and went to get some drinks...
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As soon as we saw that pub we were gone!!!

NSRFC_Saint
20-02-08, 08:23 PM
Imagine if we were in a predicament where we had to pick Varndell. Although Brian Ashton apparently wanted to bring him to South Africa in the summer according to that Sweet Chariot DVD

Kel_Sumo
29-02-08, 02:02 AM
what does JSD have to do to get a call you wonder? unless Brian Ashton has a policy against balding wingers...

Mr.blobby
29-02-08, 04:51 AM
I wasn&#39;t sure about Vainikolo at first, but he&#39;s proved me wrong. So maybe Varndell can do the same?

Bullitt
29-02-08, 10:36 AM
I wasn&#39;t sure about Vainikolo at first, but he&#39;s proved me wrong. So maybe Varndell can do the same? [/b]

Seriously, no he can&#39;t he&#39;s crap. Only the same idiots brigade who think Sackey is doing a good job for England will welcome Varndell.

Mr.blobby
01-03-08, 07:02 AM
Although I agree with you that Varn will probably go the way of Cipriani, it might be an idea just to give him a shot in a normal test. Plus I think Sackey could improve, but he should stay on the England squad for now.

holdenator6
01-04-08, 10:28 AM
Varndell doesn&#39;t do it for me! Chambers should have come to union..Try tackling him! He&#39;s wasted in league!

gingergenius
01-04-08, 11:38 AM
Yes. Obviously Sackey and Strettle are shoe-ins when fit. But Strettle is never fit, and while I think Vainikolo is promising and should definitely be around the England setup, why not try out another winger??? f*** knows we&#39;ve got talented young wings pouring out of our ears, just look at Varndell and Noah Cato, the Arscotts, Topsy Ojo, Richard Haughton etc. who I reckon would all do a nice job for England. Not to mention the likes of Cueto and Voyce who are both very competent wings if not that exciting.

With regards to Varndell, we all know he&#39;s probably the quickest guy in Europe. He&#39;s also scored a hatful of tries for Leicester. And he&#39;s spent a year or two learning the game. Remember when he came on the scene a couple of years ago? Since then he&#39;s put in the hard work on loan and now in the Leicester 1st team and basically he&#39;s vastly improved. Just think, everyone questioned Sackey a year ago and now I&#39;d say he&#39;s a shoe in for the Lions.

Bullitt
01-04-08, 12:46 PM
Seriously, no he can&#39;t he&#39;s crap. Only the same idiots brigade who think Sackey is doing a good job for England will welcome Varndell.[/b]

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gingergenius
01-04-08, 01:58 PM
<div class='quotemain'> Seriously, no he can&#39;t he&#39;s crap. Only the same idiots brigade who think Sackey is doing a good job for England will welcome Varndell.[/b]

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hem hem... what more do you want sackey do do for england?? what makes a winger good?

1. finishing. sackey ticks that box. 60+ club tries, 8 for england. varndell has 58 club tries & 2 for england in 3 caps.

2. running fast. both are up there with the world&#39;s fastest wingers.

3. defence. well, I saw sackey cope admirably with an in-form alesana tuilagi at the heineken cup final last year. his defence is good, I don&#39;t think you can criticise him for not preventing the wales try or other ones when it&#39;s been him against a massive overlap. varndell... i haven&#39;t seen enough of him but I&#39;ve heard it&#39;s improved.

To be honest, unless you want some form of superhuman I don&#39;t think you&#39;ll find anyone who&#39;ll make a considerable improvement on those stats. Look at some of the world&#39;s best wingers - habana, williams, clerc... none of them are known for their defence, all of them score lots of tries and run very fast.

tell me an english wing who isn&#39;t going to be a grandad at the next world cup (that counts out lewsey), who fulfils all those categories.

SaintsFan_Webby
01-04-08, 03:28 PM
tell me an english wing who isn&#39;t going to be a grandad at the next world cup (that counts out lewsey), who fulfils all those categories.
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James Simpson-Daniel.



I don&#39;t dislike Sackey, but the continual overlooking of Sinbad is an absolute crime, the guy oozes class.

chinwaggler
01-04-08, 05:55 PM
Noah Cato lol he went to the same primary school as me :P

thepretender
21-04-08, 10:51 PM
a lass at uni got a few quality pics with him at the HK 7&#39;s. apparently a sound bloke?

maddison
21-05-08, 05:40 PM
Not sure about Varndell, he&#39;s not really developed as a player in the way that Sackey has. Don&#39;t think that there is a place for both of them?

StevoIRL
21-05-08, 07:47 PM
Problem with Varndell is that he just has no other element to his game then finishing. That and he&#39;s a straight line runner which means he creates **** all tries by himself and he ll go very quiet if he doesnt see the ball much

bacon
25-05-08, 04:16 PM
Problem with Varndell is that he just has no other element to his game then finishing. That and he&#39;s a straight line runner which means he creates **** all tries by himself and he ll go very quiet if he doesnt see the ball much
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i use to think so too, but his chip ahead for the winning try for the tigers to put them in the play-offs was sublime.
his defence seems to have improved as well-can&#39;t think of any examples but don&#39;t remember him being walked over this season either. he will never be a wilkinson/noon-esque offensive hitter but with his pace etc i think he could be a valuable asset. the pressure him and croft put on off the restart for tigers is pretty special-see varndells try against &#39;quinns in the earlier premiership game for an example.
having said that i don&#39;t think he deserved to go on the plane to NZ though. saxsons is about were he&#39;s at this season but seeing how he&#39;s improved so far, next year....
(and yes he does need to learn to get more involved)

as for sackey i think hes very solid and a good finisher but lacks the extra spark to set him apart that varndell has in his pace. varndell has the potential to be better but isn&#39;t there at the moment. will be intresting to see them against each other in the premership final.

and maddison i&#39;m fairly sure varndell is a fair bit younger than sackey is so he&#39;s got plenty of time to improve-sackey himself was a fairly late comer to the england set up

danny
25-05-08, 04:51 PM
varndell has lightning pace and finishes well but his alll round game is poor. His kicking when under pressure is dreadfull and he is constantly being caught out of position at club level. God knows international rugby needs even greater discipline and awareness than the Prem . If it was 2002 and we had a great England team you could put him in the squad perhaps as a luxury player to bring on in the last half hour with no pressure if he makes mistakes but our team at the moment is not at that standard yet.

scousetiger
21-10-08, 09:49 PM
not for the AI&#39;s anyways - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_unio...ish/7682411.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/english/7682411.stm) getting no game time at leicester means he&#39;s lost his place in the elite squad

sandman36
31-01-09, 01:06 PM
Anybody see the England Saxons game yesterday? Portugal?
He was pretty decent there ive got to say his foot work is immense lol

danny
31-01-09, 01:10 PM
Portugal is hardly a good indication of a players international credentials.

sandman36
31-01-09, 01:33 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Jan 31 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=374466')</div>
Portugal is hardly a good indication of a players international credentials.[/b]
BUT if you saw the way varndell got into the space also recieved the ball often it was a pretty decent effort :)
I think i&#39;d rather have Sacky and N Cato though tbh

gingergenius
31-01-09, 02:12 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danny @ Jan 31 2009, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=374466')</div>
Portugal is hardly a good indication of a players international credentials.[/b]

Correct.

Plus, Varndell I don&#39;t think would be a bad winger to have around as a backup because he is quick and scores tries. But let&#39;s have a list of potential England wingers who, like Varndell, are really quick and score tries:

Sackey
Monye
Ojo
Strettle
Simpson-Daniel

I&#39;d say Varndell is behind all of them because his defence and all-round play isn&#39;t up to scratch. With the possible exception of Monye, all those guys make their tackles, and all of them know how to position themselves to field kicks.

I&#39;ve ignored the likes of Banahan and Cueto because they&#39;re good in other areas, but not for their scintillating speed. And I&#39;ve ignored the two biggest young speedster talents.. Benjamin and Cato.

Sir Speedy
31-01-09, 02:32 PM
Wow, the Portugal game was one of the worst I&#39;ve ever seen. You might aswell call Harry Ellis international standard based on that. Well, he was crap anyway...

saajan678
14-04-09, 12:02 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (englandfan @ Nov 28 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=282221')</div>
What are everyones thoughts towards a return to England for Varndell???[/b]
Eh England FAn great question i think he would be a great addition him at leicester is amazing so i dnt see the problem with him at england
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