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Riot
05-12-07, 04:05 AM
King henry is being interviewed tomorrow. Im thinking bout making a sign, and sitting outside to show my support, hope he gets the job again, last few weeks alot of people have come out and givien him their support,

His record speaks for itself, its incredible, the people like him, the players like him, which is unprecidented to other all black coaches, who ahve literally been hunted down, and harrassed, publically brannded as losers, lol. *cough*deans,mitch,smith,hart*cough*

Mr. Laxative
05-12-07, 07:04 AM
I wonder if Australia will hold out to see whether Deans gets the Blacks job and if not offer him a spot... I hope not!

Incredible Schalk
05-12-07, 07:20 AM
He did a good job with Wales and likewise with New Zealand. Obviously the world cup is what they were aiming for over his period as coach but he still did help the team win 3 consecutive tri nations titles and destroy the Lions 3-0. He has to get rid of this stupid rotation policy though.

blondin
05-12-07, 09:01 AM
henry is a great coach. His job with the all blacks is exceptional in 4 years but he lose the world cup. but i think he must stay

DonBilly
05-12-07, 05:28 PM
henry is a great coach. His job with the all blacks is exceptional in 4 years but he lose the world cup. but i think he must stay [/b]



Well New-Zealand have many good coaches, Graham Henry has made a wonderful job and should be thanked for that. My feeling is that anyway with such results his legacy cannot be ignored and that whoever has the job he will capitalize on this. Of course it should be easier for Graham himself but sometime injecting new bllod can work too.

Caledfwlch
06-12-07, 11:29 AM
One intangible advantage Ted has over the rest is that the ABs are familiar with him and he can use what he hjas already built to further improve the ABs.

nam97
06-12-07, 11:45 AM
<div class='quotemain'> henry is a great coach. His job with the all blacks is exceptional in 4 years but he lose the world cup. but i think he must stay [/b]



Well New-Zealand have many good coaches, Graham Henry has made a wonderful job and should be thanked for that. My feeling is that anyway with such results his legacy cannot be ignored and that whoever has the job he will capitalize on this. Of course it should be easier for Graham himself but sometime injecting new bllod can work too.
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Not for us, we have sacked all our previous coaching failures after each world cup. I think it&#39;s time we stuck with some one, at least this time he&#39;ll know what to expect and therefore a lesser chance of screwing up.

Prestwick
06-12-07, 02:49 PM
I agree. Seriously. Graham Henry has been one of the most successful coaches for the All Blacks. Fair enough he hasn&#39;t won a World Cup but look at the changes he&#39;s put in and the way he&#39;s honed the team. Fair enough he did control a bit too much and is as much fun as teh_mite at an Australian amateur boxing convention but in my opinion he is the man for the next four years.

Look at England and when they crashed out in 1999. They could have dumped Sir Clive there and then. But they stuck with him and four years later he was on top of the world.

Who knows? Henry could well be King in 2011. But he can only be that if the NZRFU stay the course and stick with him.

ShowMe
06-12-07, 08:26 PM
Henrys been reappointed for 2 seasons.

Deans wallaby coach?

Prestwick
06-12-07, 08:53 PM
Only two seasons? Ouch....that is far from a vote of confidence and in a way, I&#39;m disappointed in the NZRU. They really should have backed Henry for the full four years. What if he loses one or two matches close towards his contract being up for renewal in 2009 and the NZRU lose their bottle and try to look for someone else? I&#39;m not convinced.

Ripper
06-12-07, 10:00 PM
It&#39;s not really a big deal, that&#39;s how the NZRFU roll. John Hart, Wayne Smith and John Mitchell both only got 2 year deals when hired, Henry originally only got a 2 year deal when he was first appointed before getting it extended after we smashed the French in 2004 - and he still got that extension despite losing to both the Springboks and the Aussies that year - as long as he retains the BC and Tri Nations he will not have to worry about job security. If Deans had got the job, the chances are he would&#39;ve only got a 2 year deal as well.

The fact he got the job should be a vote in confidence in it self. Wyllie, Mains, Hart, Smith and Mitchell were all given the same sort of treatment losing Japanese Generals got during the 2nd World War.

diehardkiwi07
06-12-07, 10:48 PM
Yes exactly ripper if Deans had got appointed the top job he to would have got a 2 year contract this is how NZ do it...

Brodizzle
07-12-07, 01:21 AM
About time the NZRU grew up, this could very much break the vicious cycle of the AB&#39;s since 87, relieving much of the pressure on the &#39;11 AB&#39;s. Good news for the ABs indeed.

Dmx#1
07-12-07, 07:57 AM
I&#39;m glad they reappointed Graham Henry asthe AB coach because I didn&#39;t like the idea of having a crusader all black team under Robbie Deans.

Incredible Schalk
07-12-07, 12:31 PM
Seems logical, i dont know what the reaction to his re-appointment has been like in New Zealand but i remember John Mitchell was sacked straight away after their semi defeat in 03. That was despite winning the tri nations at a canter earlier in the year. I think the NZRU have finally realised that constantly changing coached doesnt always work, the AB&#39;s need stability during this rocky time and i couldnt agree more with the choice. :bravo:

I Bleed Black
07-12-07, 05:59 PM
Bravo New Zealand and the NZRFU.

Maturity and common sense prevail. Very tough for Robbie, I feel gutted for him and hope he is not too disillusioned to try again in the future.

GH may not have won the WC but he is a great ambassador for promoting the kind of rugby I love watching.

I watched the press conference and I have to say he is a true professional. I just wish half of our politicians were half as savvy as him.

Rule wisely King Henry!!! Bring on next year !!

fcukernaut
07-12-07, 09:00 PM
I wonder if Australia will hold out to see whether Deans gets the Blacks job and if not offer him a spot... I hope not! [/b]

Wait, are you hoping that Australia does or doesn&#39;t hire Deans? I can&#39;t see any reason why an Australian wouldn&#39;t want him as coach. His only downside to is that he has a habit of leaning towards Cantabrians who know how he coaches and system he runs, but that wouldn&#39;t be a problem for Australia. He&#39;s still a fantastic coach and despite what anyone says it will be big loss for NZ rugby when he leaves. Hope he comes back for the 2015 WC.

diehardkiwi07
07-12-07, 11:47 PM
Seems logical, i dont know what the reaction to his re-appointment has been like in New Zealand but i remember John Mitchell was sacked straight away after their semi defeat in 03. That was despite winning the tri nations at a canter earlier in the year. I think the NZRU have finally realised that constantly changing coached doesnt always work, the AB&#39;s need stability during this rocky time and i couldnt agree more with the choice. :bravo:
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Mitchell may have broken the record for the most hated coach ever to coach an All Black side

Gay-Guy
08-12-07, 01:30 AM
Henry&#39;s mistake was hiring Gilbert Enoka.



I don&#39;t think Henry will make that sort of mistake again.

Riot
09-12-07, 07:55 AM
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Seems logical, i dont know what the reaction to his re-appointment has been like in New Zealand but i remember John Mitchell was sacked straight away after their semi defeat in 03. That was despite winning the tri nations at a canter earlier in the year. I think the NZRU have finally realised that constantly changing coached doesnt always work, the AB&#39;s need stability during this rocky time and i couldnt agree more with the choice. :bravo:
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Mitchell may have broken the record for the most hated coach ever to coach an All Black side
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Yep John "whos the boss?" Mitchell and Robbie " call me adolf" deans lefta sour taste in peoples mouths, with their very bad handling of players and fans, their arogant behaviour, and total control of everything, once thought as a saviour, once people learned about how they treated players there was an outcry.

Robbie the Nazi can f*** off as far as im concerned, he can stop his crying, if he goes to aussie he will never coach the all blacks again EVER, the aussies would for bid it.

Deans would be booed, rounded up and thrown out of jade stadium, hed have to live with Coutts and Butterworth



((FYI Russel Coutts and Brad Butterworth were NZ sailers who jumped ship to sail for another country rather then NZ, they bad mouthed the team and the country and have the distinct honour of ebing NZ most hated sports people :) ))

CeeJay
09-12-07, 09:56 PM
Graham Henry asked to be judged on the world cup. All of our worries and doubts about his coaching style were brushed aside when he said "Judge me on the world cup." If we do this, then he is acyually the worst all black coach. Now everyone seems to have forgotten that, and the fact that the world cup is what we are really chasing, and I believe well get it when we stick with a coach who perfects the basics before anything else.

diehardkiwi07
09-12-07, 10:30 PM
Graham Henry&#39;s winning record speaks for itself... Does everybody prefer to go down the same road we did before and sack the coach?? It hasn&#39;t worked for 20 years and i believe the NZRU made the right decision in breaking the cycle

shtove
09-12-07, 11:44 PM
Henry&#39;s mistake was hiring Gilbert Enoka.[/b]

Good to see you back.

Forgive my ignorance - but what does that Enoka comment mean?

ABs were stuffed by a freak sequence of injuries at outhalf, leaving them without a leader when it mattered. If Henry can destroy the garryowen "no, you make a mistake" play at international level, then he&#39;s very welcome.

skarnage
10-12-07, 12:30 AM
Yes well done to Henry for getting back the job, but unfortunately it means robbie deans will be crossing the tasman to coach the wallabies

Mr. Laxative
10-12-07, 06:50 AM
I hope not... I&#39;d much prefer Nucifora. Deans is a great coach and his record speaks for itslef, but frankly I see Nucifora as a man that can bring Australian rugby back to where it used to be. He&#39;s a man tht doesn&#39;t care for egos or player reputations. He picks on form, no matter how controversial - it is argued in some circles that he was the one who pushed Greegs to give up his capataincy. Maybe, his calls brought his downfall at the Brumbies, but as a coach he brought through players such as Henjak (who was good at the Brumbies), Chisholm, Henderson, Gerrard, Rathbone, Sheperdson and to a lesser extent the likes of Luke Burgess and Polota-Nau. Nucifora is the man for Wallabies coach and I will be disappointed if Deans gets it...


... though I definitely still rate Deans.

Energizer
10-12-07, 10:42 AM
he&#39;s a very good coach, probably the best going around

Dmx#1
10-12-07, 10:57 AM
he&#39;s a very good coach, probably the best going around
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Going around? Are you saying that Graham henry is a man whore?

Ripper
10-12-07, 09:55 PM
I hope not... I&#39;d much prefer Nucifora. Deans is a great coach and his record speaks for itslef, but frankly I see Nucifora as a man that can bring Australian rugby back to where it used to be. He&#39;s a man tht doesn&#39;t care for egos or player reputations. He picks on form, no matter how controversial - it is argued in some circles that he was the one who pushed Greegs to give up his capataincy. Maybe, his calls brought his downfall at the Brumbies, but as a coach he brought through players such as Henjak (who was good at the Brumbies), Chisholm, Henderson, Gerrard, Rathbone, Sheperdson and to a lesser extent the likes of Luke Burgess and Polota-Nau. Nucifora is the man for Wallabies coach and I will be disappointed if Deans gets it...


... though I definitely still rate Deans. [/b]

Nucifora is a retard... so Australia&#39;s more than welcome to take him off our hands.

Not even the walking definition of a bumbling fool that is Pat Lam could&#39;ve screwed the Blues out of the title like that stupid dip**** did this year... and it&#39;s because of him, Ali Williams is now a Crusader.

CeeJay
16-12-07, 10:42 PM
Graham Henry&#39;s winning record speaks for itself... Does everybody prefer to go down the same road we did before and sack the coach?? It hasn&#39;t worked for 20 years and i believe the NZRU made the right decision in breaking the cycle [/b]



Dont forget, henrys record includes the worst performance ever in a world cup by the all blacks. That speaks louder than the rest for me.

diehardkiwi07
17-12-07, 03:56 AM
<div class='quotemain'> Graham Henry&#39;s winning record speaks for itself... Does everybody prefer to go down the same road we did before and sack the coach?? It hasn&#39;t worked for 20 years and i believe the NZRU made the right decision in breaking the cycle [/b]



Dont forget, henrys record includes the worst performance ever in a world cup by the all blacks. That speaks louder than the rest for me.
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His track record speaks for itself, he may not have won us a world cup but what other coach before him has??

Remember Graham Henry has won us every cup available to us in BAR only 1 cup

danny
17-12-07, 07:34 PM
<div class='quotemain'> I hope not... I&#39;d much prefer Nucifora. Deans is a great coach and his record speaks for itslef, but frankly I see Nucifora as a man that can bring Australian rugby back to where it used to be. He&#39;s a man tht doesn&#39;t care for egos or player reputations. He picks on form, no matter how controversial - it is argued in some circles that he was the one who pushed Greegs to give up his capataincy. Maybe, his calls brought his downfall at the Brumbies, but as a coach he brought through players such as Henjak (who was good at the Brumbies), Chisholm, Henderson, Gerrard, Rathbone, Sheperdson and to a lesser extent the likes of Luke Burgess and Polota-Nau. Nucifora is the man for Wallabies coach and I will be disappointed if Deans gets it...


... though I definitely still rate Deans. [/b]

Nucifora is a retard... so Australia&#39;s more than welcome to take him off our hands.

Not even the walking definition of a bumbling fool that is Pat Lam could&#39;ve screwed the Blues out of the title like that stupid dip**** did this year... and it&#39;s because of him, Ali Williams is now a Crusader.
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I would have thought you would be thankfull to get rid of Ali Williams he must be one of the main reasons the All Blacks did so poorly in the world cup. He is the least physical lock i have seen represent the ABs. Dont get me wrong im a big fan of AB rugby but they need to look at more aggressive tight forwards. Also you guys will win the next WC at a canter as its at home and your record there is top notch.

Ripper
17-12-07, 07:44 PM
What the f*** are you talking about?

Did you not watch the Quarter Final where Ali Williams preety much single handily destroyed the French Line Out? You know, the same test where that big, tough aggressive Kieth Robinson did stuff all for 55 minutes before limping off?

When he is fully fit, I doubt you&#39;d find a more freakish lock than Ali out there. When was the last time you saw an All Black lock, let alone any lock in the world dominate a game like he did in that First Lions test back in 2005.

gmichel28
17-12-07, 08:13 PM
Mc Caw captain again, it&#39;s a good new for NZ

diehardkiwi07
17-12-07, 08:15 PM
Ali Williams was actually our inform lock... You must have been watching another game??

sesenta y cuatro
29-01-08, 04:11 PM
I must have been living elsewhere for the past months as I have not seen the sensibility shown in this forum neither in NZ Herald nor in RugbyHeaven nor in... when it came to talk about the next coach.

It was kind of "Henry&#39;s the worst ever and Deans is the best ever so give us Henry&#39;s head". Here people have their say and some may back Henry and some may back Deans, but it amazes me the respect for the thoughts of others.

I have always backed Graham Henry but I think Deans also deserved the job. It was not an easy choice and I think that, as someone has previously said, sacking a coach every four years has not fully worked.

I am glad Henry&#39;s got the job and I just wish the All Blacks the best of the lucks.

dylan
01-02-08, 07:02 PM
How long has Henry to produce the goods though? i.e. if the ABs go flat this tri-nations is he shown the door?

Ripper
02-02-08, 06:44 AM
He&#39;s safe - who&#39;s going to take his job?

Deans and Gatland are contracted for 4 years with Australia and Wales, while all the other candidates are too green, while Hansen and Smith would probably have to fall on their swords as well since they would be his assistants.

Chappy1
30-05-08, 03:43 AM
Henery deserves it he will learn from his mistakes