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An Tarbh
10-01-08, 08:56 PM
<div align="center">http://www.therugbyforum.com/uploads/Clermont%20Auvergne.pngClermont v Munsterhttp://www.therugbyforum.com/uploads/Munster.png</div>

Clermont welcome Munster on Sunday in the position that 2 bonus point wins should see them through, although whether they top the pool depends on what Wasps get in Thomond Park.

Munster I feel need another miracle match and they may well have to back it up next week as well just to stay alive in the competition and it looks like a huge ask for them.

Clermont have looked the business at home this season and Munster couldn&#39;t even get a bonus point against a poor Scarlets side, so there&#39;s only one outcome for me, what do you think???

Teams - TBC

Mr.cyclopede
11-01-08, 10:05 PM
Don&#39;t know exactly the form of the Munster at the moment.

Clermont is very impressive, wherever they play, home or not. And so pleasant to watch. I sure don&#39;t wnat to see the game they perform, with also Toulouse, since the beginning of the season.

If no special weather conditions (wind gusting 35kt tonight...), should be a wide open game

shtove
11-01-08, 10:24 PM
No idea how this is going to play out. But Tarbh&#39;s intro is a bit ... ahem ... biased. The points situation is fairly complicated for the remainder of the group.

Bonnaire and Vermeulen are big players for Clermont, but Munster backrow will match them.

Can&#39;t wait to see what happens with the Munster backline - defensive implosion, or tries galore for the wingers?

I think POC is out of the replacements.

An Tarbh
11-01-08, 10:26 PM
I&#39;m calling it as I see it and I resent this implication of being biased.

Mr.cyclopede
11-01-08, 10:38 PM
I&#39;ve never seen Clermont heading to defensive game from tthe beginning of the season, They are very self confident, and this could maybe cause them troubles (like if they take a quick score that make them forget who thay are playing...).

They are powerfull in the center axe, but their best value in the way they alternate the game. Very special mention to Broke James, an artist.
( I&#39;m launching a request to Sarkozy to find him a local top model, marry her, and give him French nationality !!!)

shazbooger
11-01-08, 10:51 PM
I&#39;m calling it as I see it and I resent this implication of being biased. [/b] Your right I totally agree with you in your intro ...................................... then again I AM biased :)

An Tarbh
11-01-08, 10:55 PM
I&#39;ll gladly eat my words on Sunday and with the car wrecker in the team an upset may well be on the cards but I wouldn&#39;t hold my breath.

Mr.cyclopede
11-01-08, 11:15 PM
"I sure don&#39;t wnat to see the game they perform, with also Toulouse, since the beginning of the season."

please understand of course that I&#39;ve watched every game they played, with also Toulouse, this season.
Some psychomotor troubles for me tonight...

shtove
12-01-08, 12:50 AM
Some psychomotor troubles for me tonight... [/b]

Appellation controllee?

Your ass is mine. But it looks like Tarbh is going to sue me, so we&#39;re both losers. Unlike Leinster.

Vambo
13-01-08, 03:53 PM
So far so good. Come on Clermont... keep it up :cheers:

Sir Speedy
13-01-08, 03:57 PM
Clermont are an amazingly good side, it&#39;s hard to believe they were in the Challenge Cup last year! C&#39;mon Munster!

An Tarbh
13-01-08, 04:03 PM
Munster really have to take advantage of Clermont being down to 13

Mr.cyclopede
13-01-08, 04:05 PM
Another yellow card for Clermont but nothing for the enormous stanping on Bonnaire...

An Tarbh
13-01-08, 04:56 PM
Well it&#39;s amazing how different things can look before and after a match, Clermont were in control of this pool but have in the space of 80 minutes seen their chances completely dissappear, unless I&#39;m mistaken they&#39;re now out, well barring an absolute miracle with Perpignan and Ospreys messing up next weekend.

So a winner take all match next Saturday evening, that should be interesting to say the least.

Vambo
13-01-08, 05:05 PM
Another yellow card for Clermont but nothing for the enormous stanping on Bonnaire...
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Yep, despicable use of the boot by Flannery. He should be sitting in the stands for a good few weeks after that!




So a winner take all match next Saturday evening, that should be interesting to say the least.
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Can&#39;t wait :)

shtove
13-01-08, 07:38 PM
Usual heart attack stuff from Munster. Missed a few chances, but so did Clermont. The French were quite awesome in the first half, with their left wing and hooker almost unstoppable in broken play, but the Irish know what to do in those situations and their try was a beaut.

Howlett was excellent, but made a couple of mistakes. Same with ROG - spot on with penalties and his flat passing, but the line kicking is still a bit off.

I&#39;d forgive Flannery the stamping incident - his leg was being held illegally, and the stamp came accidentally from his attempt to free himself. His lineouts were good, and fair dues to him for backing off from a penalty infringement at a ruck in the last couple of minutes.

Some people hate Munster - but you can&#39;t deny they give good drama. The crushing of the Wasps will be a pleasure.

Vambo
15-01-08, 06:45 PM
Flannery cited:

Here (http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/5019_8460.php)

Incredible Schalk
16-01-08, 05:59 PM
Flannery cited:

Here (http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/5019_8460.php)
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No wonder it was a terrible stamp..

An Tarbh
16-01-08, 09:01 PM
Good Lord the ERC really musn&#39;t want to ruffle any feathers with the powers that be in Ireland after announcing that Flannery&#39;s hearing, along with Ibanez and Audebert will take place on January 24, the ERC must have some sweet deal by being in Ireland. One rule for some and one for another yet again. You can be sure that had it just been Ibanez and Audebert that the hearings would have taken place by now.

shazbooger
16-01-08, 09:09 PM
Only a temporary reprieve (spelling). I&#39;d expect Flannery will have the book thrown at him at the hearing though. Only way the ERC can save face. This will rule him out of a lot of the 6 nations I&#39;d say.

danny
17-01-08, 03:42 PM
Usual heart attack stuff from Munster. Missed a few chances, but so did Clermont. The French were quite awesome in the first half, with their left wing and hooker almost unstoppable in broken play, but the Irish know what to do in those situations and their try was a beaut.

Howlett was excellent, but made a couple of mistakes. Same with ROG - spot on with penalties and his flat passing, but the line kicking is still a bit off.

I&#39;d forgive Flannery the stamping incident - his leg was being held illegally, and the stamp came accidentally from his attempt to free himself. His lineouts were good, and fair dues to him for backing off from a penalty infringement at a ruck in the last couple of minutes.

Some people hate Munster - but you can&#39;t deny they give good drama. The crushing of the Wasps will be a pleasure.
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How can you say you would forgive Flannery for the stamp? It was deliberate and malicious. Flannery should be banned for at least the rest of the season for this spitefull and cowardly act. Your defence of his actions are simply one eyed bias. :angry:

shazbooger
17-01-08, 04:28 PM
Would you believe I havent actually seen the incident (Call me Arsene Venger), but by all accounts it was a nasty looking thing. Press and public opinion over here mirrors yours and we fully expect the book to be thrown at him.

An Tarbh
17-01-08, 04:37 PM
I&#39;ve seen a lot worse, his leg is being held but it still looks nasty and he&#39;ll probably get a decent ban now the ERC have taken such a cop out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0soxm9uFYQ

Vambo
17-01-08, 04:44 PM
Unfortunately Bonnaire isn&#39;t the one holding his leg so I don&#39;t think he should be cut any slack or be allowed to use that as any kind of excuse. He&#39;s even looking down when he does it.

stevemagoo
17-01-08, 04:45 PM
Looks nasty - but looks like an accident....He&#39;s hopping to his right. at the point of the stamp, his right foot is in the air too. If it was a deliberate attempt he&#39;d have just used his right foot instead.

He&#39;ll still get done though.

SaintsFan_Webby
17-01-08, 04:46 PM
I hadn&#39;t seen it until now, but there&#39;s no excuse for that whatsoever. He&#39;s got to be anticipating at least a 6 month ban, possibly longer.

shtove
18-01-08, 01:52 PM
<div class='quotemain'>I&#39;d forgive Flannery the stamping incident - his leg was being held illegally, and the stamp came accidentally from his attempt to free himself. His lineouts were good, and fair dues to him for backing off from a penalty infringement at a ruck in the last couple of minutes.
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How can you say you would forgive Flannery for the stamp? It was deliberate and malicious. Flannery should be banned for at least the rest of the season for this spitefull and cowardly act. Your defence of his actions are simply one eyed bias. :angry: [/b][/quote]
Just calling it as I saw it - you must not punish people for accidents, no matter what the damage. The question is, Was it an accident? I think it was, which is a reasonable call - so I don&#39;t see how you can find bias in that.

habib
07-02-08, 10:43 PM
hello too bad for clermont they deserve to go on quarter final

shtove
07-02-08, 11:36 PM
No they didn&#39;t - not enough points :bleh!: Should have sent their full team to Munster.

An Tarbh
08-02-08, 05:07 PM
well be thankful they didn&#39;t as things could have turned out differently in this pool

shtove
08-02-08, 09:43 PM
Yeah, Leinster could have won it.

An Tarbh
08-02-08, 10:24 PM
why does it always come back to Leinster, are you a closet fan or something?

shtove
08-02-08, 10:59 PM
****, you found me out.

Two biggest underperformers: Leinster and Wales.

I would be excira &#39;n delira to see them both perform.