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An Tarbh
19-03-08, 10:51 PM
Well it's only 3 years too late but the tool is gone, about time. Happy days indeed.

It's on the RTÉ website.

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MunsterMan
19-03-08, 10:56 PM
I feel guilty about being so pleased about someone loosing their job

An Tarbh
19-03-08, 10:59 PM
I feel guilty about being so pleased about someone loosing their job
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Don't feel guilty, he wasn't sacked, he walked away, granted it's probably a case of jumping before being pushed but them's the breaks.

noikz
19-03-08, 11:16 PM
Let's hope he doesn't stab someone else in the back for his next appointment like he did with Gatland. ;)

An Tarbh
19-03-08, 11:19 PM
Let's hope he doesn't stab someone else in the back for his next appointment like he did with Gatland. ;)
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Well he needs to be in a setup to do that!!!

noikz
19-03-08, 11:26 PM
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Let&#39;s hope he doesn&#39;t stab someone else in the back for his next appointment like he did with Gatland. ;)
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Well he needs to be in a setup to do that!!! [/b][/quote]



I&#39;m sure he&#39;s got his eye on someones job. Maybe Wales will take him on as a kitman and he can work his way up from there for Part II of Eddie vs Warren.

An Tarbh
19-03-08, 11:33 PM
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Let&#39;s hope he doesn&#39;t stab someone else in the back for his next appointment like he did with Gatland. ;)
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Well he needs to be in a setup to do that!!! [/b][/quote]



I&#39;m sure he&#39;s got his eye on someones job. Maybe Wales will take him on as a kitman and he can work his way up from there for Part II of Eddie vs Warren.
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Given his record with Ireland I can&#39;t see anyone touching him to be honest, maybe some mediocre premiership club if he&#39;s lucky but I doubt even they&#39;d be that stupid.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
20-03-08, 12:06 AM
We could see him end up with the USA Eagles, given the fact that they need a coach, EOS has previously coached over there and he is damaged goods in Europe. Nigel Melville might be able to present Eddie as a sign of the Eagles progresssing in world rugby (although that is just wild speculation).

Good news that EOS is gone; he outstayed his welcome.

el_tk
20-03-08, 03:12 AM
First Easterby and now this. To say I am a happy camper is an understatement. With Ireland&#39;s best ever team at his disposal, in an era where England were weak for 4 straight years and France were often far from their best he delivered a mere two triple crowns.

Ripper
20-03-08, 03:21 AM
Since hiring Southern Hemisphere Coaches is all the rage - may I suggest David Nucifora - Super 14 winning coach and all that jazz.

Fushitsusha
20-03-08, 03:32 AM
Since hiring Southern Hemisphere Coaches is all the rage - may I suggest David Nucifora - Super 14 winning coach and all that jazz.
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No, we need him down here as a backup in case Deans bails before the World Cup... :D

O'Rothlain
20-03-08, 04:27 AM
"In addition, I would like to thank the Irish rugby supporters [such as An Tarbh and Munsterman] who have played a huge role [i]in driving the team on to some outstanding performances [and some mediocre losses, I mean, who really knew the RWC was in 2007?!!? I assumed it would be 2008] in recent years."
-EOS

Well, now that this chapter is closed, any real speculation at who can take the reigns? I don&#39;t get a lot of Irish Media exposure in my distant local, so...let&#39;s hear it from you lads closest to the action...Who is good for it, or who would you like to see?

Juggernaut
20-03-08, 05:23 AM
First Easterby and now this. To say I am a happy camper is an understatement. With Ireland&#39;s best ever team at his disposal, in an era where England were weak for 4 straight years and France were often far from their best he delivered a mere two triple crowns.
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Gatland must be laughing his arse off...

Macsen
20-03-08, 10:06 AM
an era where England were weak for 4 straight years and France were often far from their best he delivered a mere two triple crowns.[/b]

To be fair he&#39;d have a Grand Slam if the players had been awake in the last few seconds of that Croke Park encounter with France. You can&#39;t blame everything on the coach.



Looking forward to seeing Ireland at thier best again next year. ;)

An Tarbh
20-03-08, 10:21 AM
Well he shoulders a hell of a lot of the blame, he appointed the defensive and skills coaches who would have been working on the basics such as tackling and the ability to offload something which was shockingly missing throughout his tenure.



"In addition, I would like to thank the Irish rugby supporters [such as An Tarbh and Munsterman] who have played a huge role [i]in driving the team on to some outstanding performances [and some mediocre losses, I mean, who really knew the RWC was in 2007?!!? I assumed it would be 2008] in recent years."
-EOS

Well, now that this chapter is closed, any real speculation at who can take the reigns? I don&#39;t get a lot of Irish Media exposure in my distant local, so...let&#39;s hear it from you lads closest to the action...Who is good for it, or who would you like to see?
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If you want to know what the mood is just check out rte.ie or setanta, or any of the Irish newspapers online, that&#39;ll keep you in the loop.

As for coaches as long as it&#39;s not Judas then I&#39;ll be a happy man.

shazbooger
20-03-08, 10:44 AM
Well, now that this chapter is closed, any real speculation at who can take the reigns? I don&#39;t get a lot of Irish Media exposure in my distant local, so...let&#39;s hear it from you lads closest to the action...Who is good for it, or who would you like to see? [/b]

The irish press have been speculating about this for the past week to be honest, so Eddie&#39;s announcement last night was hardly a surprise. The main candidates being touted are; Declan Kidney, Pat Howard, Wayne Smith, Mike Ruddock, Jake White and John Mitchell.

Personally I&#39;d remove Mike Ruddock and Wayne Smith from the list as not too viable, both are contracted for at elast another two years. Given the other candidates available I dont see them coughing out more cash needlessly, unless they are buying a proven high profile coach.

Declan Kidney SHOULD be given the job. In any other country he would be a shoe in, but you just never know over here. There is a general feeling that a non-irish coach could really shake everything up and get the players on their toes again. Then again Kidney&#39;s record for Munster, year in, year out, is pretty special.

You just get the feeling that if White wants it, he&#39;ll get it (I dont think he&#39;ll want it though). Personally I&#39;m not convinced by him, but I&#39;ll accept anything at this stage

Regardless of how Irish rugby is, you would imagine the job would be reasonably attractive. Good players, youth coming through. Not world beaters, but certainly good enough to be competitive. I think thats why the likes of Mitchell and Howard have been mentioned. Whether we can get them to leave their current roles and come back North i&#39;m not so sure.

Thats the core speculation at the moment.

An Tarbh
20-03-08, 10:47 AM
Given what he did at Leinster though I&#39;d be stunned if it happened.

peppers07
20-03-08, 12:01 PM
Declan Kidney (hopeflly ) wont take the job because he has a full time commitment to munster

An Tarbh
20-03-08, 12:08 PM
Declan Kidney (hopeflly ) wont take the job because he has a full time commitment to munster
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He&#39;s never had a problem in the past shirking his commitments

shazbooger
20-03-08, 12:24 PM
Meh, that shift to Munster didnt bother me in the slightest. Dont see why you&#39;d be bothered about it yourself, and cant see how a move that was sanctioned by the IRFU would affect his chances for the top rugby post in Ireland. References to "Judas" etc are a bit extreme fgiven his history with Munster, BUT your right to question what the players may think. Maybe Declan Kidney, at this time, with these players, is not the right man to get the squad ticking again.

On a side point, a good article in the telegraph today about EO&#39;S. Signs off with; "But there were some great days - and brilliant nights - along the way and despite their current disappointment, even anger, Ireland supporters should never forget that. Eddie O&#39;Sullivan put in a massive shift at the coal face on behalf of his country and he goes hugely in credit. He will feel down this morning but when he comes up for air he should hold his head high. "

If you ask me thats a pretty good way to sum it up.

soto14
21-03-08, 03:46 PM
Wow, I just found out about this news here, I&#39;m in Spain now. I&#39;m sure the guys in my office are celebrating! I feel a little like MunsterMan, though. But he had to go, everyone wanted him to

Dream
21-03-08, 04:57 PM
This is what I don&#39;t get. I knew a lot of my friends slammed SCW after the RWC2003 seemed to be the last good thing he did. Yes he made a mess of the Lions but what annoyed me was how you can berate the record of a man who turned England into a "World Class" side not only capable of beating the best sides in the world but in many cases dominating them. You can talk of a great generation of players but he was the man that galvanised them. EOS did a similar job with Ireland. Yes recently they dropped off the standard of recent years but look at the record of Ireland beforehand. If you look at the below figure Ireland have performed well under his stewardship

6 Nations All Time Table (2000 - 2008)
Pld W D L PF PA PD Pts Champs GS TC WS
France 45 33 0 12 1339 827 512 66 4 2 n/a 0
Ireland 45 31 0 14 1267 962 305 62 0 0 3 0
England 45 30 0 15 1462 786 676 60 3 1 2 0
Wales 45 20 2 23 1066 1212 -146 42 2 2 2 1
Scotland 45 13 1 31 803 1296 -493 27 0 0 0 2
Italy 45 6 1 38 768 1620 -852 13 0 0 6

An Tarbh
21-03-08, 07:12 PM
This is what I don&#39;t get. I knew a lot of my friends slammed SCW after the RWC2003 seemed to be the last good thing he did. Yes he made a mess of the Lions but what annoyed me was how you can berate the record of a man who turned England into a "World Class" side not only capable of beating the best sides in the world but in many cases dominating them. You can talk of a great generation of players but he was the man that galvanised them. EOS did a similar job with Ireland. Yes recently they dropped off the standard of recent years but look at the record of Ireland beforehand. If you look at the below figure Ireland have performed well under his stewardship

6 Nations All Time Table (2000 - 2008)
Pld W D L PF PA PD Pts Champs GS TC WS
France 45 33 0 12 1339 827 512 66 4 2 n/a 0
Ireland 45 31 0 14 1267 962 305 62 0 0 3 0
England 45 30 0 15 1462 786 676 60 3 1 2 0
Wales 45 20 2 23 1066 1212 -146 42 2 2 2 1
Scotland 45 13 1 31 803 1296 -493 27 0 0 0 2
Italy 45 6 1 38 768 1620 -852 13 0 0 6
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I&#39;m not saying we haven&#39;t performed well, and only 11 loses from 35 games isn&#39;t a bad return, but from that amount of wins, no championships and no grand slam is a poor reflection on the coach. Perrennial bridesmaids springs to mind.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
21-03-08, 11:16 PM
This is what I don&#39;t get. I knew a lot of my friends slammed SCW after the RWC2003 seemed to be the last good thing he did. Yes he made a mess of the Lions but what annoyed me was how you can berate the record of a man who turned England into a "World Class" side not only capable of beating the best sides in the world but in many cases dominating them. You can talk of a great generation of players but he was the man that galvanised them. EOS did a similar job with Ireland. Yes recently they dropped off the standard of recent years but look at the record of Ireland beforehand. If you look at the below figure Ireland have performed well under his stewardship

6 Nations All Time Table (2000 - 2008)
Pld W D L PF PA PD Pts Champs GS TC WS
France 45 33 0 12 1339 827 512 66 4 2 n/a 0
Ireland 45 31 0 14 1267 962 305 62 0 0 3 0
England 45 30 0 15 1462 786 676 60 3 1 2 0
Wales 45 20 2 23 1066 1212 -146 42 2 2 2 1
Scotland 45 13 1 31 803 1296 -493 27 0 0 0 2
Italy 45 6 1 38 768 1620 -852 13 0 0 6
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There are other, perhaps more relevant ways of putting that table.

6 Nations titles (2000-2008)
France - 4
England - 3
Wales - 2
Ireland - 0
Scotland - 0
Italy - 0

Grand Slams (2000-2008)
Wales - 2
France - 2
England - 1
Ireland - 0
Scotland - 0
Italy - 0

Ireland under O&#39;Sullivan were consistent in the 6 Nations yet they blew a golden opportunity to take home both the grand slam and title in 2007. He failed in the 2003 World Cup (we beat France well only a few months previous to our diabolical exit), 2007 World Cup and 2008 6 Nations. He didn&#39;t develop talent to any degree meaning the new coach is faced with the task of completely overhauling the international squad. He had zero communication with the provincial coaches. He alienated his support staff. While the likes of Heaslip, Kearney and Fitzgerald eventually got the shot they deserved, it was only on the back of a dismal showing against Italy where he picked out of form favourites.

O&#39;Sullivan wasn&#39;t a progressive coach. While his record looks relatively impressive on the face of it, he failed to get the most out of an outstanding group of players. For that, I&#39;m thankful he&#39;s gone.

shazbooger
21-03-08, 11:37 PM
I say again ............... lies, damned lies, and statistics.

The grand slam was ours last year if it wasnt for some **** poor decision making on the pitch at the time. Had we take the shot at goal when given the chance, France wouldnt have been able to pounce on that friendly bounce and score the final try. Even so, we only missed out on the championship due to a dubious try awarded to the French by the TMO.

Stats can be displayed to say what you want them to display. They NEVER tell the whole story.

f*** sake lads, every single one of you have enjoyed the last few years. Give the man a bit of credit for it.

Heres another thing to ponder. Maybe that outstanding bunch of players wasnt/isnt half as good as we thought they were. How much of the blame should they take?

An Tarbh
21-03-08, 11:42 PM
I say again ............... lies, damned lies, and statistics.

The grand slam was ours last year if it wasnt for some **** poor decision making on the pitch at the time. Had we take the shot at goal when given the chance, France wouldnt have been able to pounce on that friendly bounce and score the final try. Even so, we only missed out on the championship due to a dubious try awarded to the French by the TMO.

Stats can be displayed to say what you want them to display. They NEVER tell the whole story.

f*** sake lads, every single one of you have enjoyed the last few years. Give the man a bit of credit for it.

Heres another thing to ponder. Maybe that outstanding bunch of players wasnt/isnt half as good as we thought they were. How much of the blame should they take?
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Well I&#39;ll point at one obvious flaw that can&#39;t be argued with and that&#39;s his refusal to pick an out and out openside, Wales are proof of how important a proper openside is, yet Eddie didn&#39;t consistently buy into that.

shtove
22-03-08, 01:43 AM
I say again ............... lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Heres another thing to ponder. Maybe that outstanding bunch of players wasnt/isnt half as good as we thought they were. How much of the blame should they take? [/b]
I&#39;m with Logo - a lot of pleasure on the way, with some WTF losses.

It looks like the players available now are better than those Eddie started off with. Scrum is better, backs can be just as lethal, lineout a lot less reliable, and you can&#39;t improve on the BODarsey midfield defence. Decision makers are better. Still a good team. But no real captain - although I&#39;d go for ROG.

Whatever about the who or when of a new coach, the areas needing improvement are quick ball off the lineout, and a scavenger in the backrow.

Still not far off - but not far is too far.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
22-03-08, 01:24 PM
f*** sake lads, every single one of you have enjoyed the last few years. Give the man a bit of credit for it.

Heres another thing to ponder. Maybe that outstanding bunch of players wasnt/isnt half as good as we thought they were. How much of the blame should they take? [/b]
Credit where credit is due, O&#39;Sullivan did some very good things. He was extremely brave in his decision to pair D&#39;arcy and O&#39;Driscoll in the centre and it paid off in spades. Equally his decision to move Denis Leamy from Munster blindside to Ireland #8 worked successfully until the World Cup. He was proven correct in his decision to give Paul O&#39;Connell a chance before many (myself included) felt he was ready. Giving Brian O&#39;Driscoll the captaincy at just 23 years old was also a very good decision. Plucking Mike Ford from relative obscurity and making him defense coach was an inspired move. Wins against Australia in 2002, England in 2004 and 2007 and South Africa in 2004 and 2006 are standout moments in his coaching career and won&#39;t be easily forgotten.

However none of that changes the fact that he blunted Ireland&#39;s backline. He was crazy in taking four blindsides (Ferris, Quinlan, Easterbunny, Best) to the World Cup and ever moreso for only taking one unfit 7 (Wallace) and 8 (Leamy). His poor selection gave him no options once things began to unravel. We left games behind (Wales in 2008, France in 2008, South Africa away in 2004, New Zealand in 2002 and 2006) which we should and would have won with a better strategy, although I agree that player error played a role in at least a couple of those games.

I don&#39;t agree that the players weren&#39;t as good as hyped. We see in the Heineken Cup how talented they are in comparision with their counterparts from other nations year in, year out. We&#39;ve stacked up extremely favourably for the last 6 years and now wwe have an outstanding new generation (Heaslip, Caldwell, Ryan, Healy, Pollack, Ferris, Earls, Fitzgerald, Kearney) breaking through/already having broken through to compliment them.

The man deserves some credit for what he achieved. I&#39;d equate him to somebody like Martin Jol in that on the surface his record was impressive. What we now need is a Juande Ramos to take us to the next level.