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Prestwick
20-03-08, 11:29 AM
So where now for Ireland? Will they look abroad again or there homegrown Coaching talent in their Provinces who will put their hand up?

An Tarbh
20-03-08, 11:59 AM
None of the provincial coaches are starters for me, Bradley is woeful, Cheika has just signed a new deal along with Gaffney coming in, so that rules them out, also for Gaffney he can't come till the Autumn so that rules him out taking over Ireland, even though I'd be more than happy with his appointment. Williams is too early in the Ulster job to just up sticks and leave and I think there's still bad blood with Kidney so it doesn't make him the ideal candidate despite his success.

That leaves us with foreign coaches then, Jake White's name is being mentioned, although he's being mentioned with every vacancy out there, whether the IRFU have the money to get him given he was roughly on what Eddie was with South Africa, so his fee would certainly have gone up after winning a world cup and the IRFU will have had to pay Eddie a hefty severance.

Who are the other options then? I imagine the IRFU will be running their eye over the Guinness Premiership but realistically who's available?

Prestwick
20-03-08, 12:14 PM
One good thing about the Gaffer are his team talks at half time. If you haven't been performing well, apparently he puts the fear of god into you at half time! Its worked for Sarries for almost all of their games so far this season..

An Tarbh
20-03-08, 12:18 PM
and he didn't do too bad in his spells at Leinster and Munster so he'd be my choice at the moment.

peppers07
20-03-08, 12:21 PM
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Declan Kidney (hopeflly ) wont take the job because he has a full time commitment to munster
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He&#39;s never had a problem in the past shirking his commitments
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What do you mean ??

An Tarbh
20-03-08, 12:23 PM
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Declan Kidney (hopeflly ) wont take the job because he has a full time commitment to munster
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He&#39;s never had a problem in the past shirking his commitments
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What do you mean ??
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He negotiated his contract with Munster the week of our quarter final with Leicester in 2005, he also walked out on the Dragons to take the Leinster job which was a sign of things to come.

nick_w
20-03-08, 05:37 PM
Reddan has chucked Pat Lam&#39;s name into the hat on the bbc website. That wouldn&#39;t be such a bad choice by the IRFU in my opinion, Lam has a lot to offer.

An Tarbh
20-03-08, 05:43 PM
Reddan has chucked Pat Lam&#39;s name into the hat on the bbc website. That wouldn&#39;t be such a bad choice by the IRFU in my opinion, Lam has a lot to offer.
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It was Pat Howard actually and he is the favourite according to Paddy Power when I checked their website earlier although there&#39;s every possibility that that could have changed in the interim.

shazbooger
20-03-08, 07:51 PM
Yeah it will take a while before this one is resolved. Many people will be linked, many will rule themselves out. The longer it goes the more unlikely it will be Kidney and the more left field suggestions will come to the fore.

Its early days, but one name that I&#39;ve heard more then a few times today has been Eddie Jones. The bookies havent picked up on it, but its a name that appeals to me straight away.

An Tarbh
21-03-08, 10:29 AM
Well Jake White&#39;s agent seems to be ruling him out of the job, still whoring himself for the England job, pretty bad form imo while there&#39;s still someone in the job, it&#39;s not as if a jobless world cup winning coach is going to slip under the radar should the post become available, besides given what he&#39;s said about the players in the past, regardless of it being just pre match banter can&#39;t have endeared him too well to the IRFU.

shazbooger
21-03-08, 10:55 AM
Yeah just saw that. Happy enough to read it to be honest.

shtove
21-03-08, 12:37 PM
Irish Times says the summer tour will probably go ahead under a caretaker coach, so Gaffney in the autumn looks a likely plan. Or maybe Ashton will be available by then :P

Howard has resigned from the ARU for family reasons - maybe an interesting coincidence in the timing?

An Tarbh
21-03-08, 12:47 PM
Just saw on Setanta that Gaffney is apparently interested but haven&#39;t read the entire article and it&#39;s no shock when a headline is slightly misleading!!!

Right then Gaffney is definitely a contender, here&#39;s the article in full.

Gaffney interested in Ireland job
by Gareth Maher, 21 March 2008

Gaffney interested in Ireland job

Alan Gaffney has expressed his interest in the vacant Ireland coaching job despite recently signing on to link up with Leinster next season.

The former Munster coach has agreed to join Michael Chieka&#39;s coaching staff to become the new backs coach for Leinster.

Gaffney is currently in charge at Guinness Premiership side Saracens, and while he is set to return to his homeland with Leinster he has a clause in his contract with them that allows him to leave if offered a national team position.

"If they considered me for the job it would be an honour," Gaffney is quoted as saying in the Irish Mirror.

"The deal I have with Leinster is that should anything come up with the national team they would not stand in my way.

"I have a definite interest in the job, for certain. And that applies to any role within that set-up.

"I haven&#39;t spoken to anyone from Ireland other than my friends over there. It&#39;s flattering in one sense and if anyone did approach me it would be an honour.

"But I&#39;m sitting back and not getting too excited or carried away about it. I take each day as it comes."

From - Setanta Sports (http://sports.setanta.com/en/Sport/News/Other-sports/2008/3/21/Rugby-Gaffney-interested-in-Ireland-job/?facets/ireland-locale/sport-space/rugby/)

Dream
21-03-08, 01:16 PM
John Mitchell - I think he would be a good shout for Ireland. Very astute man, has turned Western Force into a decent side, he also has coached in the 6N and Tri-Nations. I think Ireland became a stale and predictable side under EOS. Maybe getting someone in without preconceived notions of the squad would benefit irish rugby

shazbooger
21-03-08, 02:09 PM
Mitchell also has a few close links with Ireland and has been involved with drilling the Irish forwards a good few years ago. That one is not as far fetched as some might think.

shazbooger
24-03-08, 07:36 PM
Well both Mitchell and Howard have ruled themselves out. Supposedly the IRFU made a casual approach to Howard and he said no thank you. Mitchell was just responding to press speculation.

That leave Declan Kidney as favourite, with Alan Gaffney a close second.

padwah807
06-04-08, 07:40 AM
I think that they need to take thier time and pick the right person first time around or it could be a recipe for disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!

snoopy snoopy dog dog
06-04-08, 02:20 PM
I&#39;d say the job is between Declan Kidney and Heyneke Meyer at this stage. Both have very impressive CVs and are among the top coaches in world rugby. Kidney&#39;s problem is obviously the circumstances surrounding his departure from Leinster. Will the blazers overlook this?

I&#39;m not too fond of the way Kidney shafted Leinster but it was three years ago. Let bygones be bygones. Both Leinster and Munster have moved forward since the debacle. Once he hires a quality backline coach I doubt the likes of Brian O&#39;Driscoll will have a problem with him as coach. He&#39;s a winner, plain and simple.

An Tarbh
06-04-08, 05:39 PM
I&#39;d say the job is between Declan Kidney and Heyneke Meyer at this stage. Both have very impressive CVs and are among the top coaches in world rugby. Kidney&#39;s problem is obviously the circumstances surrounding his departure from Leinster. Will the blazers overlook this?

I&#39;m not too fond of the way Kidney shafted Leinster but it was three years ago. Let bygones be bygones. Both Leinster and Munster have moved forward since the debacle. Once he hires a quality backline coach I doubt the likes of Brian O&#39;Driscoll will have a problem with him as coach. He&#39;s a winner, plain and simple.
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I don&#39;t know how true this is with Meyer but elsewhere I&#39;ve been reading that he takes a while to cultivate a squad and a team and given the age bracket of so many players I&#39;m not sure if he&#39;d be the ideal candidate, will need to know what the South Africans think on this??? As for Kidney he&#39;s gone up hugely in my opinion on yesterday&#39;s game but there is the bagage, I&#39;m not happy with it but who gives a flying f*** what I think, if the players can handle it then it&#39;s not an issue.

peppers07
06-04-08, 05:50 PM
Kidney will definately get the job after the Munster v Gloucester match

An Tarbh
06-04-08, 06:08 PM
Kidney will definately get the job after the Munster v Gloucester match
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It&#39;s by no means definite but it hasn&#39;t done his chances any harm.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
06-04-08, 07:02 PM
As for Kidney........I&#39;m not happy with it but who gives a flying f*** what I think, if the players can handle it then it&#39;s not an issue. [/b]
Those are pretty much my thoughts too. As a Leinster fan, I hate how he shafted the team in the run up to the HC quarter final with Leicester but as an Ireland fan, I want the best man for the job. Kidney appears to be that man.

An Tarbh
08-04-08, 11:05 AM
Well Meyer has confirmed his interest so it&#39;ll be interesting to see what route the IRFU go down.

shazbooger
08-04-08, 11:31 AM
Stupid question but who the **** is Meyer? Anyone offer a bit of info on him?

As for Kidney, yeah was thinking the same thing. Some brave decisions made for the Glouster match and pretty much all of them paid off. He also had the balls to haul off Buckley after 33 mins, a decision that had a huge impact on the match.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
08-04-08, 11:35 AM
Stupid question but who the **** is Meyer? Anyone offer a bit of info on him?[/b]
He coached the Bulls to the Super XIV title last year - this year under a new coach they&#39;re near (or possibly at) the bottom of the table. He also coached the Blue Bulls to multiple Currie Cups in SA. Meyer was favourite to get the Springboks job but missed out due to the desire to appoint Peter De Villiers for reasons not wholly associated with rugby.

therock67
19-04-08, 07:03 PM
Article in today&#39;s Irish Times says that Kidney has all but got the job. Don&#39;t see that there&#39;s any other option really once White wasn&#39;t interested.

shazbooger
21-04-08, 11:42 PM
Dont see how there is any other option regardless of who is interested. Just wont see an announcment until Munster are out of the Heineken cup.

An Tarbh
22-04-08, 01:51 PM
Betting has gone a bit mental today on Jake White, he&#39;s now 1-2 while Kidney has gone from evens to being 6-4, interesting stuff, obviously some serious money exchanging hands but how much of it can be taken seriously remains to be seen. Some interesting rumours flying around as well.

peppers07
22-04-08, 03:11 PM
Declan Kidney is clearly the man for the job and will obviously take it if offered the way hes been refusing to make any comment whatsoever. Who cares if he walked out on Leicester its about geting the right man for the job. Hes also shown that hes not afraid to bring in new players wich is what Ireland desperately need.
I dont think Jake White wants the job any way

shazbooger
22-04-08, 03:18 PM
Some interesting rumours flying around as well. [/b] Well dont stop there, do go on ..................

An Tarbh
23-04-08, 10:37 AM
<div class='quotemain'> Some interesting rumours flying around as well. [/b] Well dont stop there, do go on ..................
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well it&#39;s all been in the papers, White being seen in Dublin but Thornley&#39;s been quick to play that one down saying he&#39;s here for some IRB coaching symposium, apparently some Leinster branch member saying White was a done deal although I&#39;ve heard nothing about this one yet.

peppers07
23-04-08, 02:36 PM
It doesnt look like likely now but it would be great if Ireland got someone in time for the Autemn internationals

An Tarbh
23-04-08, 04:15 PM
well the announcement is due next week so I think we&#39;ll be just about alright for the Autumn

snoopy snoopy dog dog
04-05-08, 03:01 PM
All the Sunday papers are once again saying that Kidney has the job. Nothing new there however some are reporting the contents of his coaching staff. Paul McNaughton is to be appointed team manager (probably to keep Leinster sweet) and Gert Smal is swapping the Springboks for the Ireland forward coach role (or Munster if it falls through). Tony McGahan may be coming on board in some capacity, probably as defense coach. Phil Morrow appears set to take over as conditioning coach thus leaving the same position with Ulster.

pithater1
05-05-08, 02:19 PM
All the Sunday papers are once again saying that Kidney has the job. Nothing new there however some are reporting the contents of his coaching staff. Paul McNaughton is to be appointed team manager (probably to keep Leinster sweet) and Gert Smal is swapping the Springboks for the Ireland forward coach role (or Munster if it falls through). Tony McGahan may be coming on board in some capacity, probably as defense coach. Phil Morrow appears set to take over as conditioning coach thus leaving the same position with Ulster.
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The rumor going around is Kidney for Ireland, Bradley for Munster and EOS back to Connaught.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
05-05-08, 03:05 PM
The rumor going around is Kidney for Ireland, Bradley for Munster and EOS back to Connaught. [/b]
I&#39;ve heard that rumour too.

Bradley to Munster was supposed to be a shoe-in three years ago too, before Kidney expressed interest in the position. I can&#39;t see the Munster branch giving him the job now given how Connacht have stagnated under his leadership in both Europe and especially the Magners League.

With O&#39;Sullivan living in Connacht, I can see where the rumour emanates from. Having said that, I think it would be a massive backward step for him. Going from Ireland boss to coach of the "development" province isn&#39;t something which I think would appeal to him. In my opinion he&#39;ll hold out for a top job in England or France - Biarritz are on the lookout for a new coach and EOS has the type of profile to fit the bill.

A scenario I could see playing out is Niall O&#39;Donovan getting the Munster gig with Gareth Jenkins as forwards coach and assistant head coach. Brian Walsh could be a candidate for backs coach and the heir apparent to the Munster throne once O&#39;Donovan packs it in (when Kidney vacates the Ireland post?).

Also, if Connacht fire Michael Bradley as I think they should, it appears as though Eric Elwood with Dan McFarland as assistant is the most likely replacement team. However Mike Brewer wants a shot at a head coaching job and, given his performance with Leinster, could be an excellent choice.

If Bradley is indeed fired, I could definitely see Eddie O&#39;Sullivan bringing him wherever he goes as assistant.