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An Tarbh
22-04-08, 01:42 PM
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So back to Coventry for a second time this seasons and Munster will certainly be hoping and expecting to come away with the right result this time round. They certainly have had to do things the hard way with the toughest pool of all and not the easiest quarter final either but every challenge has been met and then some, their only problem this weekend is complacency and given that this is a Heineken Cup semi-final that shouldn&#39;t be an issue.

As for Saracens, the only pressure is coming from within the squad as they look to give Gaffney the perfect send off by winning the Heineken Cup that he missed out on with Munster. Their route to this stage may have been easier than Munster&#39;s but they&#39;ve still taken some notable scalps along the way.

So Munster will be looking to make it 3 for 3 against Sarries while Gaffney&#39;s men will be hoping it&#39;s a case of third time lucky!

So who will it be???

Sir Speedy
22-04-08, 02:53 PM
My original prediction was Saracens 0 - 56 Munster. But that&#39;s preposterous, 0 is way too many points for Saracens to score!

peppers07
22-04-08, 02:59 PM
I cant wait for this match i managed to get tickets wich is rare for me
I reckon man to man Munster are better than saracens and cant see any area where Saracans will dominate (I must admit i only get to see Saracens play the odd time though). Id really like to see Tiomas O Leary and Denis Hurly start this one. They almost definately will with their recent form in the magners leage.

Vambo
22-04-08, 03:14 PM
Hopefully Saracens can pull off an upset here. If Munster turn up thinking the game is already won then they will lose... if however they arrive totally focussed on the job at hand then I&#39;d expect them to win and win well.

Prestwick
22-04-08, 03:56 PM
Richard Hill will give it his all. Sadly it&#39;ll probably turn out to be his last game of professional rugby.

Sad, one of the most important players of the professional age. I&#39;ll need to do an article for his obligatory place in the TRF Hall of Fame.

Edit: Peppers, where will you be sitting? Were you the guy who tried to buy a Saracens under 14 club membership?!?! :lol:

gingergenius
22-04-08, 06:07 PM
Richard Hill will give it his all. Sadly it&#39;ll probably turn out to be his last game of professional rugby.

Sad, one of the most important players of the professional age. I&#39;ll need to do an article for his obligatory place in the TRF Hall of Fame.

Edit: Peppers, where will you be sitting? Were you the guy who tried to buy a Saracens under 14 club membership?!?! :lol:
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I&#39;m ******... I worked out that at 41 a pop plus train tickets and all the rest, I couldn&#39;t afford tickets... :(

peppers07
23-04-08, 02:44 PM
Munster never turn up thinking the game is allready won

redunderthebed
24-04-08, 03:46 AM
Its going to be live on ESPN iam.so.happy. :D

Prestwick
24-04-08, 08:44 AM
Hahaha, watch out for me Red!

An Tarbh
24-04-08, 08:44 AM
Munster never turn up thinking the game is already won
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Heineken Cup Final 2000 springs to mind.

SaintsFan_Webby
24-04-08, 08:55 AM
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Munster never turn up thinking the game is already won
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Heineken Cup Final 2000 springs to mind. [/b][/quote]

And what a nice thought to bring to mind it is. :D

Prestwick
24-04-08, 09:02 AM
If Saracens do turn up, I&#39;ll probably die of a heart attack to be honest in shock. We&#39;re probably not going to pull it off so I&#39;m out there for a good day out with hopefully some good rugby! :D

An Tarbh
25-04-08, 01:39 PM
Declan Kidney has gone with the original side he named to start against Gloucester so O&#39;Leary, O&#39;Gara and O&#39;Connell have all overcome their problems to take their place in the starting line-up.

Munster: D Hurley; D Howlett, L Mafi, R Tipoki, I Dowling; R O&#39;Gara, T O&#39;Leary; M Horan, J Flannery, J Hayes; D O&#39;Callaghan, P O&#39;Connell ; A Quinlan, D Wallace, D Leamy.
Replacements: F Sheahan, F Pucciariello, M O&#39;Driscoll, D Ryan, P Stringer, P Warwick, B Murphy.

Prestwick
25-04-08, 02:04 PM
Saracens meanwhile have made four changes...Don Barrell, Tom Ryder, Censu Johnston and Fabio Ongaro are the quartet who drop to the bench.

Saracens: R Haughton; F Leonelli, K Sorrell, A Powell, K Ratuvou; G Jackson, N De Kock (capt); N Lloyd, M Cairns, C Visagie, H Vyvyan, K Chesney, P Gustard, R Hill, B Skirving.
Replacements: F Ongaro, C Johnston, T Ryder, D Barrell, M Rauluni, G Ross, D Scarbrough.

gingergenius
25-04-08, 04:07 PM
arranged for my local to put it on one of their big screens. Sunday afternoon drinking agwan.

getofmeland
25-04-08, 04:22 PM
I think Saracens could scrape through on this one, its gonna be a close one but I think they have the motivation to do well, now they are out of the title race...

An Tarbh
25-04-08, 04:45 PM
Equally the motivation will be high for Munster to give Kidney a proper sendoff with him being named Ireland coach next week.

Prestwick
25-04-08, 06:52 PM
Aaaaadvance the flag of Sarries!

Hurrah! Hurrah!

In Watford town, I take my stand,

To live and die for Sarrie,

Advance, Advance,

Advance the flag of Sarries!

shtove
25-04-08, 08:43 PM
Aaaaadvance the flag of Sarries!

In Watford town, I take my stand,
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Good. Match is actually on in Coventry.

MunsterMan
25-04-08, 09:31 PM
i don&#39;t want to be too confident but when Munster play I am always confident. We really should win this quite handy but i can see it being closer than it should be, Hopefully I am wrong.

Surprised that Buckley and Foley didn&#39;t make the squad but what harm, more than capable replacements.

Prestwick
25-04-08, 09:42 PM
<div class='quotemain'> Aaaaadvance the flag of Sarries!

In Watford town, I take my stand,
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Good. Match is actually on in Coventry.
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Well that was a good five minute adapting Dixie wasted then...

getofmeland
27-04-08, 02:12 PM
Well the game has started and Sarries have made a good start with a great count attacking try.

I would say alot of the play has been in Munster&#39;s Favour tho.

MunsterMan
27-04-08, 03:52 PM
Referee was shocking. Every 50/50 call went Sarries way (eg. the offside against Mafi for being ahead of the ball) Munster definitely underperformed but fair play to Sarries, did not look out of place in a HEC Semi.

Toulouse in the final, what a game that will be.

danny
27-04-08, 04:02 PM
sarries were heroic throughout and performed far better than I expected. Cant knock the ref like Munsterman as Munster were offside all game(as usual). Good news for me as I can now sell my final tickets for a shed load of cash to some drunken Munster fan. Shame for Sarries and Richard Hill in particular but the final will be between the two best teams. Hope Toulouse can cause some real heartache for what I view as the most annoying fans on the planet.

I cant think of a username
27-04-08, 04:06 PM
sarries were heroic throughout and performed far better than I expected. Cant knock the ref like Munsterman as Munster were offside all game(as usual). Good news for me as I can now sell my final tickets for a shed load of cash to some drunken Munster fan. Shame for Sarries and Richard Hill in particular but the final will be between the two best teams. Hope Toulouse can cause some real heartache for what I view as the most annoying fans on the planet. [/b]





Sour grapes I see....

gingergenius
27-04-08, 04:49 PM
I think the best team won, Sarries got a tad lucky on some of the reffereeing decisions but you make your own luck... valiant effort, if we&#39;d just managed to recycle the ball one last time....

haughton has to at least make the Saxons.

shazbooger
27-04-08, 05:09 PM
Cant knock the ref like Munsterman as Munster were offside all game(as usual). [/b] Ahhh there was a stage there in the second half when the ref was calling them for anything and everything. Some justified, some not. Overall i dont think they were sinned against more than Sarries, but I can unserstand what the fans were thinking.




Hope Toulouse can cause some real heartache for what I view as the most annoying fans on the planet. [/b] They annoy everyone because they do their job better than any other bunch of rugby fans on the planet. Begrudging them wont do you any good, just drink up and join in, cause they wont go away.

An Tarbh
27-04-08, 05:32 PM
I didn&#39;t find anything too wrong with Owens, it was the touch judges calls which were more borderline. O&#39;Leary and O&#39;Gara&#39;s kicking was woeful today, if they do that against Toulouse they&#39;ll be in serious trouble, again though O&#39;Connell seems to be getting back to his best, O&#39;Callaghan needs to cut down on the penalties, lucky not to be binned today. 4 weeks though is plenty of time to get things right even if it also means Toulouse getting back more players but that will only go to making it a better spectacle.

Steve-o
27-04-08, 06:10 PM
I watched the game. It was shaping up to be entertaining game until the rain came, after that it went pear shaped for me.
Munster just looked the better today, impressive line out work by them. I wasn&#39;t impressed by the lack of support the Sarries showed for the player with the ball in hand. They lost the game at the breakdown imo.
What was up with that whole Visage scene? I&#39;ve never such a mess on the sideline, nobody knew what was going on.

I hope the final is better, I was not impressed in general.

Prestwick
27-04-08, 07:35 PM
At the end of the day, sarries played their hearts out, but the better team won. Simple as.

I don&#39;t think saracens lost it at the breakdown, they lost it through huge gaps which suddenly appeared which let in two easy tries.

The ref was frankly confounding all the fans. One minute yellow carding one guy, yellow carding another and then awarding a rash of random penalties for both teams.

the game was superb and i will be supporting munster against toulouse...

shtove
27-04-08, 08:39 PM
Fair dues, Fezzies. Munster lucky to get out of that one in the end. What was Leamy thinking with the stamp?

Kicking from both sides was fairly poor.

Sarries found a lot of holes with their heavy runners (bit like London Irish yesterday), and Toulouse will be thinking of carving us up next month. Vice versa, darling - vice versa.

I think the difference was experience - Sarries didn&#39;t know how to balance their defence when the attack gathered pace. They certainly made a bad collective mistake for Munster&#39;s second try.

The yellow cards were deserved, but ruined the second half.

zabbo
27-04-08, 09:36 PM
Hard luck to Sarries, I thought they&#39;d win it.

Munsters kicking was atrocious, and Leamy is an idiot for stamping at the end.

An Tarbh
27-04-08, 11:16 PM
Quinlan frightened the ****e out of me at the end when he grabbed hold of that Sarries player, thought Owens was going to reverse the penalty for a second.

Prestwick
27-04-08, 11:56 PM
I think the difference was experience - Sarries didn&#39;t know how to balance their defence when the attack gathered pace. They certainly made a bad collective mistake for Munster&#39;s second try.[/b]

What summed it up was in the last minutes when Sarries had the ball, about 25 meters out. They should have done a DG like they did against the Ospreys. Instead, Census Johnston went gung-ho and essentially gifted the ball. A more experienced team like Munster, Wasps or Leicester would have patiently rolled through the phases and then flicked it back for a comfortable DG....

Bull
28-04-08, 09:28 AM
Watched the game yesterday and I thought the ref was atrocious, he didn&#39;t seem to know what was going on and he looked really confused at times. Other than that it was a pretty okay game the #11 of Saracens looks quite good and very strong. Can&#39;t see Munster beating Toulouse.

Prestwick
28-04-08, 12:04 PM
Watched the game yesterday and I thought the ref was atrocious, he didn&#39;t seem to know what was going on and he looked really confused at times.[/b]

Essentially, the ref was abysmal for both sides. There was a period of 20 minutes where two of the three yellow cards (one for each side, not counting the obvious punch) were seemingly given out at random without any prior warning that a yellow was going to come, him blowing up for increasingly bizarre things (not that we knew what he was punishing one side for of course as nobody could understand what his wavy arms were trying to signify and nobody with a ref mic radio had a clue
what he was saying) and frankly, nobody had a clue what was going on. At one point, I think Munster and Saracens fans alike were united in a genuine fear that the referee had lost his sanity and was about to do something really crazy like suddenly call off the match or something...

It almost ruined what was an absolute peach of a match.

shtove
28-04-08, 04:33 PM
Forgot to mention one of the crucial things a good team will do - score just before half time. Sarries attack broke down at about 36&#39;, so Munster had 4&#39; to get the job done: it took them half that time.

Prestwick
28-04-08, 05:05 PM
True but they didn&#39;t manage to quell Saracens after that fully, especially when you most expected them to (i.e. when Saracens went down to 13 men) which shows just how hard the men in black pushed Munster. It points more to Munster having the experience to keep themselves just ahead by a nose.

The reaction from most of the Munster faithful was generous praise and barely contained relief. The last minute or so was a very quiet one of the Red flood at the Ricoh...

danny
28-04-08, 06:59 PM
<div class='quotemain'> Cant knock the ref like Munsterman as Munster were offside all game(as usual). [/b] Ahhh there was a stage there in the second half when the ref was calling them for anything and everything. Some justified, some not. Overall i dont think they were sinned against more than Sarries, but I can unserstand what the fans were thinking.




Hope Toulouse can cause some real heartache for what I view as the most annoying fans on the planet. [/b] They annoy everyone because they do their job better than any other bunch of rugby fans on the planet. Begrudging them wont do you any good, just drink up and join in, cause they wont go away.
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If you talk to the real hard core Munster fans they are fed up with the new breed of "casual" fans who have become an embarrassment to their great province. The drunken ***** dessed up as leprechauns with no knowledge of the sport let alone manners are dragging the good name of Munster down. Let us not forget that the average attendance at Thomond park is a tiny 6,850 for all games. This is my overwhelming evidence to prove that they are not the greatest fans in the world but a bunch of glory hunters who let the team down when they dont have one of the glamour sides in Europe to play.

feicarsinn
28-04-08, 07:16 PM
aye no leinster supporters, highest average attendance in the league

monkeypigeon
28-04-08, 08:32 PM
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<div class='quotemain'> Cant knock the ref like Munsterman as Munster were offside all game(as usual). [/b] Ahhh there was a stage there in the second half when the ref was calling them for anything and everything. Some justified, some not. Overall i dont think they were sinned against more than Sarries, but I can unserstand what the fans were thinking.




Hope Toulouse can cause some real heartache for what I view as the most annoying fans on the planet. [/b] They annoy everyone because they do their job better than any other bunch of rugby fans on the planet. Begrudging them wont do you any good, just drink up and join in, cause they wont go away.
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If you talk to the real hard core Munster fans they are fed up with the new breed of "casual" fans who have become an embarrassment to their great province. The drunken ***** dessed up as leprechauns with no knowledge of the sport let alone manners are dragging the good name of Munster down. Let us not forget that the average attendance at Thomond park is a tiny 6,850 for all games. This is my overwhelming evidence to prove that they are not the greatest fans in the world but a bunch of glory hunters who let the team down when they dont have one of the glamour sides in Europe to play. [/b][/quote]

Aye, partially true. But don&#39;t forget the two main cores of munster rugby supporters are seperated by about 100Km. A bit far to travel every weekend...on Irish roads.

O'Rothlain
29-04-08, 03:24 AM
Oi! Presty...
What was all that mess with your props, eh? In America we have a cream for that...it&#39;s called vagisil.
http://www.mexerica.blogger.com.br/vagisil.jpg

Prestwick
29-04-08, 11:35 AM
Sorry O&#39;Ro, our props are getting old with age and I think Visage got a bit confused. Here is a photo of him thinking Saracens won taken an hour ago from Coventry.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42555000/jpg/_42555145_pa_bus_pass2.jpg

O'Rothlain
29-04-08, 03:32 PM
Sorry O&#39;Ro, our props are getting old with age and I think Visage got a bit confused. Here is a photo of him thinking Saracens won taken an hour ago from Coventry.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42555000/jpg/_42555145_pa_bus_pass2.jpg [/b]
I don&#39;t buy the old age confusion thing for a second. That was some Tom-Foolery if I&#39;ve ever seen it. Poor Saracens trying to get uncontested scrums...looks like those lads have taken a liking to Diet Rugby.

Prestwick
29-04-08, 03:37 PM
No, actually, we were trying to get another prop on by the looks of it.

It was going to be uncontested scrums straight away but the bickering was about trying to sub someone for a prop so we could keep going.

Besides, whatever it was, didn&#39;t really mean anything as Munster were mostly under the kosh for the 15 minutes Saracens were down to first 13 and then 14 men :P

O'Rothlain
29-04-08, 05:07 PM
No, actually, we were trying to get another prop on by the looks of it.

It was going to be uncontested scrums straight away but the bickering was about trying to sub someone for a prop so we could keep going.

Besides, whatever it was, didn&#39;t really mean anything as Munster were mostly under the kosh for the 15 minutes Saracens were down to first 13 and then 14 men :P [/b]
You did give Munster a good run for the money. The forwards were strong, and it was a good battle. I loved all that rucking and banging. That&#39;s my sort of Rugby.

Prestwick
29-04-08, 05:15 PM
Me and my Munster friend agreed that the HEC Semi-Final was really "Grump-a-thon 2008".

Come to Coventry to watch two of the grumpiest packs around collectively grouse! Rugby also played in between.

shtove
29-04-08, 08:55 PM
That was some Tom-Foolery if I&#39;ve ever seen it. Poor Saracens trying to get uncontested scrums...looks like those lads have taken a liking to Diet Rugby.
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:cheers:

Keep the fat ******** ON the pitch.

Prestwick
29-04-08, 10:01 PM
The way sarries worked the scrum all day, I think they has to sedate lloyd and johnston to stop them from getting back onto the field before the end of their sin bin! johnston, visage and johnston were all well up for it.

shtove
29-04-08, 10:51 PM
The way sarries worked the scrum all day, I think they has to sedate lloyd and johnston to stop them from getting back onto the field before the end of their sin bin! johnston, visage and johnston were all well up for it. [/b]
Especially Census - fattest of the fat ********.

The castration of the scrum was kind of ... painful - crushed half the competition of a HEC semi. Balls!

I cant think of a username
11-05-08, 08:38 PM
If you talk to the real hard core Munster fans they are fed up with the new breed of "casual" fans who have become an embarrassment to their great province. The drunken ***** dessed up as leprechauns with no knowledge of the sport let alone manners are dragging the good name of Munster down. Let us not forget that the average attendance at Thomond park is a tiny 6,850 for all games. This is my overwhelming evidence to prove that they are not the greatest fans in the world but a bunch of glory hunters who let the team down when they dont have one of the glamour sides in Europe to play. [/b]



I agree there are a large of glory hunters that have jumped on the bandwagon since the HC win 2 years ago, people that go to the matches just to say they were there. But the rest of your comment is a joke, Munster supporters have always been brilliant and Thomond Park is always packed for HC games. The fact is that Munster rarely play their strongest team in the Magners League and it is difficult for fans from Limerick to travel to Cork (or vice versa). Munster supporters are the best in the world its a simple fact.








aye no leinster supporters, highest average attendance in the league [/b]



HC semi 2 years ago, remember that? Lansdowne Road and not a blue shirt to be seen, great fans :rolleyes:

feicarsinn
12-05-08, 10:33 PM
better than having a mass jumping on your tailcoats if ya ask me

danny
13-05-08, 07:42 PM
better than having a mass jumping on your tailcoats if ya ask me
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Quite agree, real Munster fans are as ashamed as the rest of the rugby public with the drunken pitch invasions,shamefull leprecauns and unknowledgeable hangers on. Ban the f***ers. As for "cant think of a user name`s" comments on Munster having **** average gates cos they dont pick their best side for Magners league games, what difference does that make. Glaws had 15,000 for London Irish when they only had 4 regulars playing this season. What a load of tosh. they dont watch Magners games cos they have no "real" passion for their team.

Prestwick
13-05-08, 07:59 PM
Munster have one objective: Win the feckin&#39; HEC. That is the league cup for them. Theres only ever been one and one single league cup for them in the last 12 years and thats the HEC. I&#39;m surprised they haven&#39;t changed their constitution to just contain the words:

"WIN THE MOTHERFECKIN&#39; HEC FOOLS!"

If they put out their first team every match, they&#39;d get full crowds but they&#39;d lose their advantage of pacing their first XV throughout the season. Simple economics. On the bright side, all this player resting allows lots of younger Irish the chance to get a taste of first class rugby against players they usually wouldn&#39;t play against in domestic rugby.

So in a way, its a good idea.

danny
13-05-08, 08:17 PM
Munster have one objective: Win the feckin&#39; HEC. That is the league cup for them. Theres only ever been one and one single league cup for them in the last 12 years and thats the HEC. I&#39;m surprised they haven&#39;t changed their constitution to just contain the words:

"WIN THE MOTHERFECKIN&#39; HEC FOOLS!"

If they put out their first team every match, they&#39;d get full crowds but they&#39;d lose their advantage of pacing their first XV throughout the season. Simple economics. On the bright side, all this player resting allows lots of younger Irish the chance to get a taste of first class rugby against players they usually wouldn&#39;t play against in domestic rugby.

So in a way, its a good idea.
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What a boring and souless season when you only try in a handfull of games each season. No wonder I hate the glory hunting hangers-on! They are everything thats wrong with our game.

MunsterMan
14-05-08, 12:56 PM
Musgrave park has been sold out most of the time this season, the problem is its only 8500 capacity. If all the Munster fans were in the same city we would fill Thomond every week but Cork to Limerick or vice vera is too far to drive every week especily on Friday night.

Sir Speedy
14-05-08, 01:05 PM
Well, winning the Magners League means nothing at the moment, just ask the Ospreys and Leinster. So in a way, the only thing worth winning for the Celtic teams is the HEC.

danny
14-05-08, 01:17 PM
Well, winning the Magners League means nothing at the moment, just ask the Ospreys and Leinster. So in a way, the only thing worth winning for the Celtic teams is the HEC.
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Well thats a terrible shame and something should be done about it. As for Munster Mans comments on the games being too far to travel alll I can say to him is real fans follow their teams wherever they play, not just big HEC games.

Sir Speedy
14-05-08, 01:22 PM
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Well, winning the Magners League means nothing at the moment, just ask the Ospreys and Leinster. So in a way, the only thing worth winning for the Celtic teams is the HEC.
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Well thats a terrible shame and something should be done about it. As for Munster Mans comments on the games being too far to travel alll I can say to him is real fans follow their teams wherever they play, not just big HEC games.
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Indeed, I don&#39;t see why the teams that get knocked out of the Heineken Cup don&#39;t up the tempo in the remaining Magners games and really stick it to the opposition. That would be a good start.

danny
14-05-08, 01:29 PM
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Well, winning the Magners League means nothing at the moment, just ask the Ospreys and Leinster. So in a way, the only thing worth winning for the Celtic teams is the HEC.
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Well thats a terrible shame and something should be done about it. As for Munster Mans comments on the games being too far to travel alll I can say to him is real fans follow their teams wherever they play, not just big HEC games.
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Indeed, I don&#39;t see why the teams that get knocked out of the Heineken Cup don&#39;t up the tempo in the remaining Magners games and really stick it to the opposition. That would be a good start.
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the problem comes from automatic qualification to the HEC. The reason why the Prem is so competitive is everyone is desperate to be in the top 4. as a fan its great to be able to watch full on rugby all season long with the play-offs at the end. The flip side being its hard to fight on both fronts and the HEC campaign is harder for the English sides.

Sir Speedy
14-05-08, 01:53 PM
I&#39;m sure the possibility of relegation scares them all into performing, aswell?