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blackpudding
27-04-08, 04:04 AM
With a 27 : 17 win over the Netherlands, the German Rugby Nationalteam secured their promotion into the ENC Division 1.

Macsen
27-04-08, 10:53 AM
Congratulations!

I've always thought that, if Germany took rugby seriously, they'd probably be one of the best in the world at it, with their tutonic love of rules and power. I can imagine them playing a lot of 10 man rugby though. :D

shtove
27-04-08, 12:12 PM
My brother used to play rugby in the Netherlands - lots of drinking and shagging. He said it was a good social scene, so I wonder if the Germans have the same attitude and don't take it that seriously.

snoopy snoopy dog dog
27-04-08, 12:15 PM
That's great news for German rugby. Hopefully they'll prove more competitive than the Czech Republic when they step up. I know they put it up to Spain in the world cup qualifiers so they shouldn't be completely outclassed.

Steve-o
27-04-08, 12:22 PM
With a 27 : 17 win over the Netherlands, the German Rugby Nationalteam secured their promotion into the ENC Division 1.
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Are their games televised? Or do you watch them live?
Also, what size crowds do these games attract there?

Caledfwlch
27-04-08, 12:22 PM
Germany was a threat to France a loooooooong time ago. Maybe they shoud try hard and rise to that position again

Nidhogg
27-04-08, 01:37 PM
<div class='quotemain'> With a 27 : 17 win over the Netherlands, the German Rugby Nationalteam secured their promotion into the ENC Division 1.
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Are their games televised? Or do you watch them live?
Also, what size crowds do these games attract there?[/b][/quote]

The dutch news channel gives small highlights of important matches a few times each year. The game itself, I believe, was played in Amsterdam, a few hundred spectators maybe.

Canadian_Rugger
27-04-08, 01:45 PM
Rugby used to be one of the most popular sports in Germany prior to world war II then Hitler banned the sport from being played and all of the clubs died. The Allies even banned people from starting clubs shortly after the war was over. he strongholds in Germany for rugby are in Hiedelberg and Hannover and Bavaria. These areas are where the majority of germany&#39;s players come from.

Nidhogg
27-04-08, 03:07 PM
Question: why did Hitler ban rugby?

Canadian_Rugger
27-04-08, 04:06 PM
Question: why did Hitler ban rugby? [/b]



It was considered to be too english a sport by the Nazis and it lost much of its financial support and popularity it had gained in heidelberg, Hannover, and Frankfurt during their Regime.


Also most of the players who had played for the big clubs previously were killed fighting in the Second World War.

el_tk
27-04-08, 04:47 PM
I heard somewhere else that Hitler and the Nazis tried to develop rugby and promote it and as a result it suffered after WW2 because no-one wanted anything to do with it due to its Nazi connections

goranski
27-04-08, 05:55 PM
Hitler didn&#39;t ban rugby...

Germany played internationals throughout the pre-war period of the Third Reich up until 1940 - the last domestic championship was held in 1942...the war put an end to rugby for the remainder of WWII in Germany along with many other sports...

anyway good for German rugby if they can stay up in this higher competition and start competing with the likes of Portugal, Spain, Russia, Ukraine...

Feffo
27-04-08, 06:08 PM
It was considered to be too english a sport by the Nazis and it lost much of its financial support and popularity it had gained in heidelberg, Hannover, and Frankfurt during their Regime.
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Well,Hitler liked England...I don&#39;t think that&#39;s the reason...Maybe it simply lost popularity during the WWII... :)

blackpudding
27-04-08, 09:27 PM
As far as I know German Rugby Clubs were forbidden by the Hitler Regime, first because of their roots from
english students in Germany and second because lots of Clubs had become a place for workers which were in the socialist worker movement.

goranski
28-04-08, 02:24 PM
encore....rugby was not banned in the third reich - take a look at the facts from the German Rugby Union about the championships during the 1930s - the oval game was played up until 1943.

http://www.rugby-verband.de/cms/index.php?id=64

adolf may have been a psychopath but he actually liked british sports and culture...like polo

Prestwick
28-04-08, 02:44 PM
<div class='quotemain'> With a 27 : 17 win over the Netherlands, the German Rugby Nationalteam secured their promotion into the ENC Division 1.
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Are their games televised? Or do you watch them live?
Also, what size crowds do these games attract there?
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I swear you can see highlights of Club games there, just don&#39;t know where to find them! I think I saw the season final which did look really well attended (for a ground that could hold roughly 12,000 by the looks of it).

Chappy1
28-04-08, 02:58 PM
JA!

goranski
28-04-08, 03:06 PM
where did you see it, Youtube?

DSF - german sports television occasionally shows national team games and had the World Cup on...that&#39;s about it.

I hope rugby does well in Germany, but let&#39;s be realistic - it may take another 10-20 years before they even have the chance to qualify as last minnow in for a WC!

Charles
28-04-08, 03:38 PM
Yeah, that&#39;s a shame really since they are suited for rugby. I think they&#39;do wonders, as would the likes of Sweden or Finland. Physicality, and not afraid of a little brawl.

Prestwick
28-04-08, 03:43 PM
Its funny because you sit there in Irish bars or English pubs abroad in Scandinavia and Germany watching the rugby and a family native to the country you are visiting, be it Denmark, Norway or Germany come in and see what is on the television.

They look at it for a long while, looking quite bemused at the whole spectical and at how popular it is (especially if its a big international at Twickenham) before asking "is this..rugby?"

"Yes, it is!" I smile before looking back "great, isn&#39;t it? Why haven&#39;t you chaps started playing?"

At this point, the usual reaction is to laugh that squeamish laugh that people make to sound polite while really being embarrased and unsure "oh! no no no! We couldn&#39;t possibly play, we like football and handball here..."

BLR
28-04-08, 03:51 PM
Any fixtures in Germany in October?

blackpudding
28-04-08, 05:24 PM
In October the normal season is running with matches every weekend.
Also there are often invitational tournaments around Munichs Oktoberfest.

goranski
28-04-08, 05:46 PM
Its funny because you sit there in Irish bars or English pubs abroad in Scandinavia and Germany watching the rugby and a family native to the country you are visiting, be it Denmark, Norway or Germany come in and see what is on the television.

They look at it for a long while, looking quite bemused at the whole spectical and at how popular it is (especially if its a big international at Twickenham) before asking "is this..rugby?"

"Yes, it is!" I smile before looking back "great, isn&#39;t it? Why haven&#39;t you chaps started playing?"

At this point, the usual reaction is to laugh that squeamish laugh that people make to sound polite while really being embarrased and unsure "oh! no no no! We couldn&#39;t possibly play, we like football and handball here..." [/b]



Sweden has some big, tall, hard-drinking sons-of-guns - they usually go into ice hockey, wrestling, athletics or weightlifting - some of those could easily slot into rugby.



Would be great to have Sweden on the autumn test lineup - a daunting trip to the far north for the Wallabies with a foot of snow on the pitch! Or imagine the charged atmosphere of a Germany - England rugby international at Twickenham...things would boil over!

Prestwick
28-04-08, 05:54 PM
Yeah, I&#39;m not saying that the likes of Scandinavia or Central Europe don&#39;t have the kinds of people cut out to play rugby. In fact nations from Swizerland to Finland have a fine, fine Hockey pedigree and have supplied some legends to the NHL in the past.

Its just a case of changing perceptions, trying to get people over there to accept Rugby and take an interest in it rather than going into their football/hockey/hand ball shells...

I don&#39;t think an England - Germany match would be as highly charged as Le Crunch against France or a match against Australia. We&#39;ve been playing France and Australia for far longer.

goranski
28-04-08, 07:00 PM
perception is definitely a part of it - the concept of rugby takes some time getting used to and getting people out on the park...the human body is stronger with the right attitude than many think.

In some ways, though - I wouldn&#39;t be entirely disatisfied in these countries with the solid amateur rugby foundations that have been laid - even Sweden has quite a few clubs 80? for a small country with 8 million people, some very decent tournaments during the summer, especially 10s and 7s - and has been playing rugby since the 1930s.

Countries like Germany, Sweden and the U.S. might not get to the first-class or professional level within another 50 years or ever, but the rugby communities in these countries are great.

At my club here in the U.S. - we gather for all the big games (Six Nations, World Cup, Super 14) at the pub, many of us like myself don&#39;t need the ethnic, cultural connection to passionately watch a match.

The thing that I really only miss out on is being at a live match in the stands in a big stadium - but, hell I hardly ever go to NHL games and I&#39;ve never been to an NFL game ($90 for a "cheap" seat!)

Thingimubob
28-04-08, 09:53 PM
My school&#39;s 6 form does a trip every year to Berlin, and they go to a school somewhere in Berlin
(not sure what it&#39;s called) that&#39;s nuts about rugby. From what I;ve heard, Germany&#39;s age grade sides ( as in u16&#39;s - u18&#39;s) are usually made up from students of this school. And, two years ago one of the Six Formers told me that when they got to the school, a match between the full German National Side against like a Welsh 6th side (think it&#39;s called the &#39;Wales Clubs XV - so players from very low division clubs like Barry RFC and Penarth RFC) was being held on the schools pitch. I think the Germans won as well.

Prestwick
28-04-08, 10:29 PM
I know that the German Federal Police always had a Rugby Team which took on the British Army at Bremen where the British Army of the Rhine was based.

goranski
28-04-08, 10:32 PM
Noice...

there are some pretty established rugby clubs in Germany and Berlin being the metropolis that it is - has some of these clubs that were founded in the 1900s...Heidelberg and Hannover are the other rugby "hotbeds." In the 1930s, Germany was better than Italy and beat France twice.

I hope Germany can stay up in the ENC - however they&#39;ll be playing some quality teams with past or recent WC experience - Romania, Spain, Portugal, Georgia.

You&#39;d think there would be more resources for the game in an economy of its size? A very sports saturated market however.

mongo
05-05-08, 06:57 PM
Just a brief history of my club , the RC Stuttgart, to show you how established Rugby is in Germany!

The first Clubs were founded in the 1860s and since 1894 we have a Rugby-Club in Town
In 1890 there was an attempt in Württemberg to introduce Rugby in to the armed forces and for some years the garrisons in Stuttgart and Tübingen played Rugby as Armysport.
In 1941 the SRC hosted the Testmatch between Germany and Italy in Front of 37.000 spectators !

Rugby became a bad name in the boilup of WW1 when it got the illfated label as a english"snob"sport!
In contrary, Rugby sutied very well into the nationalsocialist Sportseducation!

Anyway, we looking for a new coach, we play 2.Bundesliga South Division.

Applicants welcome

http://C:\Dokumente%20und%20Einstellungen\Roland%20Welsch \Eigene%20Dateien\Eigene%20Bilder\Logos\Rugby_team _of_FV_Stuttgart_in_1894.jpg

Gay-Guy
06-05-08, 07:34 AM
Good on Germany....I did use them once when I used to play JLR. Some of those powerful European countries could really be rugby world powers if they got into it....such a waste.

sanzar
06-05-08, 08:25 AM
It seriously is a shame that Germany isn&#39;t more into Rugby... I actually think it suits the culture way more than Soccer does to be honest and I think they&#39;d be bloody tough in the forwards (having a similar heritage to the South Africans). In fact it&#39;s a shame more of Europe in general isn&#39;t more into Rugby really, cause there are a few countries that would be bloody good at it.
If it wasn&#39;t for that bloody soccer...

DonBilly
06-05-08, 11:02 AM
It seriously is a shame that Germany isn&#39;t more into Rugby... I actually think it suits the culture way more than Soccer does to be honest and I think they&#39;d be bloody tough in the forwards (having a similar heritage to the South Africans). In fact it&#39;s a shame more of Europe in general isn&#39;t more into Rugby really, cause there are a few countries that would be bloody good at it.
If it wasn&#39;t for that bloody soccer... [/b]

SA heritage is not German as far as I know but rather Dutch, English and somewhat French (thanks to Louis XIV and its policy regarding the Huguenots) regarding the European part.

sanzar
06-05-08, 12:14 PM
Yes, but I thought a fair bit of Germany had similar blood lines to the dutch? And isn&#39;t there a lot of German blood in England anyway?

DonBilly
06-05-08, 01:05 PM
Yes, but I thought a fair bit of Germany had similar blood lines to the dutch? And isn&#39;t there a lot of German blood in England anyway? [/b]

There&#39;s some proximity but Europe nations are far from being ethnicaly uniform and this is not new. Former german people mixed a lot with Slavic, French and Spanish so you can forget about pure aryans... Same for the Dutch, they were ruled by the French and next by the Spanish during many centuries before being independent, when then people from al Europe emigrated over there...

goranski
06-05-08, 01:34 PM
SA heritage is not German as far as I know but rather Dutch, English and somewhat French (thanks to Louis XIV and its policy regarding the Huguenots) regarding the European part.
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there&#39;s actually quite a bit of German heritage in South Africa - some of the big Afrikaner family names one finds frequently in rugby - Rautenbach, Botha, Marais, Scholtz, Hofmeyr, Badenhorst, Reinecke are definitely German in origin.



One has to also realize that in the Netherlands / North Germany during the time of the first wave of immigration to South Africa (1600s) there was also alot of crossover between the Dutch and Germans into each others countries. My ancestral family was originally Dutch, but moved to Germany in the 15th Century.

1on
21-06-08, 07:12 AM
Congratulations, but Germany will have difficulties to remain in the Firs Division. You know, it&#39;s easy to win, but is hard to mentain you the best.

jme
21-06-08, 09:32 AM
great more northern hemisphere teams coming through. we can gang up against the winging aussies and there crap new laws

Prestwick
21-06-08, 07:05 PM
Yes, but I thought a fair bit of Germany had similar blood lines to the dutch? And isn&#39;t there a lot of German blood in England anyway? [/b]

Most of the German blood in the UK comes from the Saxons and the Angles, hence the name Anglo-Saxon.

The main influences on the British peoples were firstly from the Celts, then the Romans (although, surprisingly, their impact away from that of culture was negligeble) and then a myriad of tribes from what is now Northern Germany, Denmark and Scandinavia. These tribes were the Saxons (from what is now Saxony), the Angles (from what is now Schleswig-Holstein, the Jutes (from, believe it or not, Jutland) and some Scandinavian tribes.

All three tribes have had a tremendous amount of influence on the British Isles as we know them today. East Anglia was the name given to the lands ruled by the Angles. Essex was the name given to the land ruled by the Eastern Saxons, Middlesex given to the Middle Saxons, Sussex to the Southern Saxons and Wessex for the Western Saxons.

Northern England tends to have more influence from that of the Danelaw or the lands ruled just north of what is now Northampton by the Scandinavian kingdoms. See, not even the f***ing Vikings like Northampton!

Ironically, Saxon blood dominates practically most areas of the UK and even some small areas of Ireland. And that is even before you take into account the Norman influence in Ireland too (i.e. the so called "Old English" in the South Coast of Ireland) In a recent test, they found that Saxon lineage dominates the population of England and Scotland up to the traditionally celtic heartlands of the highlands.

The clues as to the heritage of a particular area of the UK are everywhere. Just look for the town and village names, area names, names of rivers, etc. The naming conventions are subtly different per area. For example, in the county of Suffolk you have village names such as Occold, Rishangles and Redlingfield are formed from words which were usually spoken by people of the Angle or Saxon tribes.

However, head north to counties like Yorkshire and Northumbria and the names change drastically in places to a more Scandinavian style like Scremerston, East Ord and Fenwick. A similar story appears across the East Coast of Scotland although, considering that Scotland could be considered part of Scandinavia anyway, you could let them off for that.

Fa'atau82
21-06-08, 08:10 PM
I think rugby struggles to find popularity in mainland Europe for the reason that there are simply too many sports and rugby is definitely in the minority.

If you look at the top 3 played team sports in Europe, they will be Soccer, Basketball and Handball, closely followed by Volleyball. As a result in england where we are dominated by the soccer tradition, we don&#39;t play those sports in our schools, but we do play rugby and cricket.

No-one in Europe plays our cricket.

For example, lets pick Lithuania. Not terribly great at soccer although theyw as part of the USSR, but amazing at basketball. They could probably be very good at rugby too, as every country has the talent to contribute players to all sports.

In the UK we don&#39;t play sports like Volleyball or Handball, but they are excellent sports if they were introduced to our schools. Any school child from Europe will know how to play these sports.

The UK has a completely different sports ethic to other major european nations like Italy, Germany, Russia, Sweden, France and Spain, who play every team sport and are very successful at most of them.

So in conclusion, Rugby in Germany is just a forgotten sport that has been far overtaken by non-contact sports like volleyball and handball.

It needs a major revival, and possibly a player(s) to really make headlines and sign in Top14 or Guinness Premiership, rather like a Dirk Nowitzki has done for Germany in the NBA.

Prestwick
21-06-08, 08:19 PM
You&#39;ve completely missed out Hockey. I honestly cannot believe you&#39;ve missed out Ice Hockey.

A man in Lithuania would kick your ass and wouldn&#39;t give two craps about your Rugby heritage if you didn&#39;t mention at least once how many times they&#39;ve beaten Russia at Ice Hockey.

The reason why we play Rugby and Cricket and they don&#39;t is because Rugby and Cricket were the sports of the establishment, the up and coming middle classes and the military. You&#39;ll notice that the major Rugby and Cricketing nations are either Commonwealth nations or nations which have a heavy British influence or partnership in the past.

Argentina for example, became hooked on rugby through a mixture of Welsh and English immigration and through regular visits by British Army and Royal Navy teams throughout the late 19th century and 20th century. Uruguay also caught the rugby bug this way.

Fa'atau82
21-06-08, 09:44 PM
I didn&#39;t mention it as i was talking about ball sports, and not Ice Hockey.

I just wonder how rugby has not made it&#39;s way into more countries sports agenda, when other team ball sports obviously have.

Prestwick
21-06-08, 10:51 PM
The average Lithuanian has no time for your foolish ball shaped sport antics! He has only one desire: to defeat Russia!

I think one reason why Rugby hasn&#39;t done well outside of its traditional British & Commonwealth roots is because of its amateur ethos. In nations with a powerful lower class, it made it difficult for them to co-operate properly to compete with the bigger rugby nations.

blackpudding
24-06-08, 11:00 AM
Germany XV Match Schedule 2008/09

Nov. 8th Germany vs Wales (Amateur) Friendly Match in Berlin
Nov. 15th Spain vs Germany European Championship and RWC Qualifier in Madrid
Feb. 7th Germany vs Georgia European Championship and RWC Qualifier in ?
Feb. 14th Germany vs Romania European Championship and RWC Qualifier in Heidelberg
Feb. 21th Portugal vs Germany European Championship and RWC Qualifier in Lissabon
May 2nd Germany vs Russia European Championship and RWC Qualifier in Heidelberg

BLR
24-06-08, 11:19 AM
Anything announced during October in Germany?

blackpudding
24-06-08, 11:22 AM
I will have a look now, do you look for a special area (North/South)

edit: The new schedule is not out yet, I will post it here as soon as possible.

BLR
24-06-08, 12:15 PM
I will have a look now, do you look for a special area (North/South)

edit: The new schedule is not out yet, I will post it here as soon as possible.[/b]
I think I&#39;ve got the schedule website bookmarked, I was just seeing if you knew anythign extra, I will be all around the place so region isn&#39;t of too much of a concern...

blackpudding
25-06-08, 08:17 AM
Here is a map with all German Rugby Clubs.
http://rugbyweb.de/gmap/

on the site you can find schedules and results also.
The schedule for the new season should be there by end of July.

BLR
25-06-08, 11:02 AM
Here is a map with all German Rugby Clubs.
http://rugbyweb.de/gmap/

on the site you can find schedules and results also.
The schedule for the new season should be there by end of July.[/b]
Cheers, it&#39;s a tossup between Hamburg and Berlin to go to a game me thinks, what does Verbände mean?

blackpudding
26-06-08, 05:09 PM
Verbände are the unions, the German Rugby Union is the DRV and the german countries also have regional unions.

jim-the-sheep
02-07-08, 12:56 AM
I was really surprised when I came here in September to find the World Cup on DSF, and on top of that a load of people wearing different Berlin rugby jerseys and jackets when were watching the games. The last time I was here in 2003 I wasn&#39;t able to find out the 6 nations scores until I got to internet. I hope it continues to go from strength to strength here. Where are the national team based?

dundeesmiffy
02-07-08, 08:29 AM
I played rugby in Holland, against a Dutch team and a German team over the course of 2 weeks.
We did twice as much drinking and....fornicating than we did rugby. The tour ended in a draw, one win and one loss per team...some of the best games I was involved in.

I really like to see the &#39;minnows&#39; gaining momentum, I had a little run around with some Georgian kids when I was there for college in March. Some of them play for a team (&#39;Locomotiv&#39; I think) and they truley trounced me and the other 2 guys I was across with...keeping in mind I&#39;m still recoving from a rotator cuff injury....not that I&#39;m making excuses.

PogoAllStar
17-07-08, 01:59 AM
German Rugby will get better in the next years, I hope.....

canongia
19-07-08, 05:44 PM
Germany in Division One probably is a good news to european rugby. The Czech Republic wasn&#39;t a major upset to the other teams. I was in Hannover for the Sevens (to support Portugal), and the Portugal-Germany was very interesting. Although Portugal won title by beating Wales, Ireland and Germany were the tough games. Portugal had more problems against Germany then against Wales, Georgia, Spain, Romania,...

KillerMcOne
19-07-08, 09:54 PM
yes i was there too...
portugal did beat germany 14:12
if the german kicker would have converted both trys it would have been a draw
but before germany did lose 26:0 against georgia
later they did only lose 19:21 agaisnt italy
i think when germany is in a good mode they are able to beat a lot of good nations in rugby sevens
but on the other hand they can lose clearly against weaker nations

alexrugby
25-07-08, 10:02 AM
Welcome Germany
I am Georgian and as you are aware we will have to face off against each other in this season
It is nice to hear Germany steps forward in the most amazing play Rugby
we Georgians are current winners of FIRA AER Nations Cup :cheers: and we&#39;ll have a closer relations in Rugby soon
Bests :D
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