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dullonien
14-05-08, 09:38 AM
Well, the squad was announced this morning, with the biggest talking point being the omission of Colin Charvis. That leaves Wales without a specialist openside for the tour, suggesting Gatland will play an absolutely massive backrow of Ryan Jones, Jonathan Thomas and Gareth Delve.

Backs: Morgan Stoddart, Jamie Roberts, Shane Williams, Tom James, Mark Jones, Sonny Parker, Tom Shanklin, Stephen Jones, James Hook, Andy Williams, Warren Fury, Gareth Cooper.

Forwards: Ryan Jones (captain), Dafydd Jones, Jonathan Thomas, Gareth Delve, Bradley Davies, Ian Evans, Alun-Wyn Jones, Ian Gough, Duncan Jones, Gethin Jenkins, Rhys Thomas, Adam Jones, Matthew Rees, Huw Bennett.

There's a return for Dafydd Jones (who could also substitute at 7 if needed). Uncapped Warren Furry tours along with the giant Cardiff Blues second row Bradley Davies (6'6", 19st +)

Who will fill the no 12 shirt in the absence of Gavin Henson. I thought calling up Andrew Bishop was a good move, but he hasn't been included in the final squad. That leaves us with Sonny Parker (god no, not again!), moving James Hook or moving Stephen Jones. I think moving Jones is the best bet.

dullonien
14-05-08, 10:09 AM
Well, BBC messed up, Andrew Bishop's name has been added to the list. So we now have a proper 12 to replace Henson. Few.

Sir Speedy
14-05-08, 10:38 AM
I hope Warren Fury starts at scrum-half, I haven't seen anything good from Williams all season and Fury could turn out to be a class-act.

Cymro
14-05-08, 10:57 AM
Andy Williams is a good scrum half and has had a difficult season because the pack at the Dragons aint always preformed.

Suprised that Tom Cheeseman was overlooked! And the same with Deniol Jones!

Good to see young Bradathon there!

Will wee see Alun Wyn Jones play 6? JT at 7?

Or Ryan at 6, JT at 7 and Delve at 8?

Sir Speedy
14-05-08, 11:05 AM
Andy Williams is a good scrum half and has had a difficult season because the pack at the Dragons aint always preformed.

Suprised that Tom Cheeseman was overlooked! And the same with Deniol Jones!

Good to see young Bradathon there!

Will wee see Alun Wyn Jones play 6? JT at 7?

Or Ryan at 6, JT at 7 and Delve at 8?
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I would have thought:

8) RJ
7) JT
6) Delve
5) Ian Evans (due to his height and ability in the lineout)
4) Ian Gough (due to his powerful prescence)

dullonien
14-05-08, 12:22 PM
I would have thought:

8) RJ
7) JT
6) Delve
5) Ian Evans (due to his height and ability in the lineout)
4) Ian Gough (due to his powerful prescence) [/b]

Leaving out Alun-Wyn, interesting.

My starting IV from the squad would be:

01 Gethin Jenkins
02 Huw Bennett
03 Adam Jones
04 Ian Gough
05 Alun-Wyn Jones
06 Ryan Jones
07 Jonathan Thomas
08 Gareth Delve

09 Andy Williams
10 James Hook
11 Shane Williams
12 Andrew Bishop
13 Tom Shanklin
14 Tom James
15 Jamie Roberts

danny
14-05-08, 04:02 PM
<div class='quotemain'>I would have thought:

8) RJ
7) JT
6) Delve
5) Ian Evans (due to his height and ability in the lineout)
4) Ian Gough (due to his powerful prescence) [/b]

Leaving out Alun-Wyn, interesting.

My starting IV from the squad would be:

01 Gethin Jenkins
02 Huw Bennett
03 Adam Jones
04 Ian Gough
05 Alun-Wyn Jones
06 Ryan Jones
07 Jonathan Thomas
08 Gareth Delve

09 Andy Williams
10 James Hook
11 Shane Williams
12 Andrew Bishop
13 Tom Shanklin
14 Tom James
15 Jamie Roberts
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Looks a decent side, they just have to try to catch the Boks cold in the first test . My only concern is the lack of balance in the back row. The breakdown is always crucial but away in the SH even more so. JT is not an open side, who is the best openside prospect in Wales at the moment?

Cymro
14-05-08, 04:54 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'>I would have thought:

8) RJ
7) JT
6) Delve
5) Ian Evans (due to his height and ability in the lineout)
4) Ian Gough (due to his powerful prescence) [/b]

Leaving out Alun-Wyn, interesting.

My starting IV from the squad would be:

01 Gethin Jenkins
02 Huw Bennett
03 Adam Jones
04 Ian Gough
05 Alun-Wyn Jones
06 Ryan Jones
07 Jonathan Thomas
08 Gareth Delve

09 Andy Williams
10 James Hook
11 Shane Williams
12 Andrew Bishop
13 Tom Shanklin
14 Tom James
15 Jamie Roberts
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Looks a decent side, they just have to try to catch the Boks cold in the first test . My only concern is the lack of balance in the back row. The breakdown is always crucial but away in the SH even more so. JT is not an open side, who is the best openside prospect in Wales at the moment? [/b][/quote]

Good starting team there!

The best prospect danny is Ben Lewis and Robin Sowden-Taylor both of whom are injured! Unfortunately

danny
14-05-08, 05:04 PM
There`s not too many option then. Keeping the back-row injury free is a must if Wales are to compete. I`ve no doubt Wales will score tries against the Boks its probably going to come down to the Welsh defence standing firm.With Shaun Edwards organisation Im sure they have a pretty good chance.

dullonien
14-05-08, 07:12 PM
Options are very bare at openside, but I&#39;m confident Jonathan Thomas can do the job. He&#39;s played there many a time in the past, holding up well. South Africa don&#39;t play a traditional 7 either, more two 6.5&#39;s for both flankers.

The rest of the pack is the same as the 6 nations (though I would personally of had Hibbard no 1 Hooker, Bennett second). We&#39;ve got plenty of players able to do the hard yards, but will really miss the constructive and link play Martyn Williams offers.

The backline should have no problems in defense, but we might miss the straightening of the line Henson offers. Bishop is a great prospect, a very solid player, but he&#39;s not in the same league as Henson. Will Wales resume crabbing across the field, like they did in the absense of Henson during the world cup etc.

I&#39;m glad they have the warm up game on sat v World IV to help the new players gel, and try some new moves etc. I&#39;m going btw, anyone else? Should be a good day out.

Cymro
14-05-08, 08:10 PM
Options are very bare at openside, but I&#39;m confident Jonathan Thomas can do the job. He&#39;s played there many a time in the past, holding up well. South Africa don&#39;t play a traditional 7 either, more two 6.5&#39;s for both flankers.

The rest of the pack is the same as the 6 nations (though I would personally of had Hibbard no 1 Hooker, Bennett second). We&#39;ve got plenty of players able to do the hard yards, but will really miss the constructive and link play Martyn Williams offers.

The backline should have no problems in defense, but we might miss the straightening of the line Henson offers. Bishop is a great prospect, a very solid player, but he&#39;s not in the same league as Henson. Will Wales resume crabbing across the field, like they did in the absense of Henson during the world cup etc.

I&#39;m glad they have the warm up game on sat v World IV to help the new players gel, and try some new moves etc. I&#39;m going btw, anyone else? Should be a good day out. [/b]

A World 4, Wales must e dreaming :D

I reckon Wales will put a good account for themselves out in South Africa, also some may be started to be judged by two possible backroom staff for the Lions Tour

Sir Speedy
14-05-08, 08:41 PM
"A World 4, Wales must be dreaming"

Gratz for pointing that out, picky Roman Numeral person. :P

Thingimubob
15-05-08, 04:46 PM
Shane&#39;s Team for saturday:
Shane Williams XV: Morgan Stoddart (Llanelli Scarlets); Tom James (Cardiff Blues), Tom Shanklin (Blues), Sonny Parker (Ospreys), Shane Williams (Ospreys); James Hook (Ospreys), Andy Williams (Newport-Gwent Dragons); Gethin Jenkins (Blues), Huw Bennett (Ospreys), Adam Jones (Ospreys), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys), Ian Gough (Ospreys), Dafydd Jones (Scarlets), Jonathan Thomas (Ospreys), Ryan Jones (Ospreys).
Replacements (from): Warren Fury (London Irish), Andrew Bishop (Ospreys), Jamie Roberts (Blues), Stephen Jones (Scarlets), Bradley Davies (Blues), Ian Evans (Ospreys), Duncan Jones (Ospreys), Rhys Thomas (Dragons), Matthew Rees (Scarlets).

Justin Marshall squad: Justin Marshall (New Zealand), Ryan Powell (Wales), Ceri Sweeney (Wales), Ben Foden (Sale Sharks), Elvis Seveali&#39;i (Samoa), Ollie Smith (England), Lome Fa&#39;atau (Samoa), Uche Oduoza (England 7s), Paul Emerick (USA), Freddie Tuilagi (Samoa), Deacon Manu (Llanelli Scarlets), Allan Jacobson (Scotland), Mahonri Schwalger (Samoa), Ed Shervington (Ospreys), Kevin Yates (England), Justin Va&#39;a (Samoa), Justin Harrison (Australia), Maama Molitika (Tonga), Opeta Palepoi (Samoa), Hale T Pole (Tonga), Marty Holah (New Zealand), Filo Tiatia (New Zealand), Isaac Feaunati (Samoa).

Interesting choices, nice to see Tom James starting at 14, been wanting that for a while. Nice to see that a lot of Justins team are familiar faces, like there&#39;s a few Welsh Players, and a few SH players who play for the Welsh region. If Stoddard performs well, then he could take the no.15 shirt for the first test, if he doesn&#39;t than Jamie Roberts will get it.
anybody know if they&#39;re selling tickets at the door?

Cymro
15-05-08, 05:02 PM
Shane&#39;s Team for saturday:
Shane Williams XV: Morgan Stoddart (Llanelli Scarlets); Tom James (Cardiff Blues), Tom Shanklin (Blues), Sonny Parker (Ospreys), Shane Williams (Ospreys); James Hook (Ospreys), Andy Williams (Newport-Gwent Dragons); Gethin Jenkins (Blues), Huw Bennett (Ospreys), Adam Jones (Ospreys), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys), Ian Gough (Ospreys), Dafydd Jones (Scarlets), Jonathan Thomas (Ospreys), Ryan Jones (Ospreys).
Replacements (from): Warren Fury (London Irish), Andrew Bishop (Ospreys), Jamie Roberts (Blues), Stephen Jones (Scarlets), Bradley Davies (Blues), Ian Evans (Ospreys), Duncan Jones (Ospreys), Rhys Thomas (Dragons), Matthew Rees (Scarlets).

Justin Marshall squad: Justin Marshall (New Zealand), Ryan Powell (Wales), Ceri Sweeney (Wales), Ben Foden (Sale Sharks), Elvis Seveali&#39;i (Samoa), Ollie Smith (England), Lome Fa&#39;atau (Samoa), Uche Oduoza (England 7s), Paul Emerick (USA), Freddie Tuilagi (Samoa), Deacon Manu (Llanelli Scarlets), Allan Jacobson (Scotland), Mahonri Schwalger (Samoa), Ed Shervington (Ospreys), Kevin Yates (England), Justin Va&#39;a (Samoa), Justin Harrison (Australia), Maama Molitika (Tonga), Opeta Palepoi (Samoa), Hale T Pole (Tonga), Marty Holah (New Zealand), Filo Tiatia (New Zealand), Isaac Feaunati (Samoa).

Interesting choices, nice to see Tom James starting at 14, been wanting that for a while. Nice to see that a lot of Justins team are familiar faces, like there&#39;s a few Welsh Players, and a few SH players who play for the Welsh region. If Stoddard performs well, then he could take the no.15 shirt for the first test, if he doesn&#39;t than Jamie Roberts will get it.
anybody know if they&#39;re selling tickets at the door? [/b]

Best bet mate is give a ring to ticketline, their office is right next to the stadium, they will have tickets there!

danny
15-05-08, 07:44 PM
My mate`s going and he said you can buy a ticket on the day. have a good day! :cheers:

dullonien
15-05-08, 09:14 PM
Cheers danny, looking foreward to it.

I was hoping for a better world XV. the way Marshall was talking about it on Scrum V a couple of weeks back, it sounded as though more of the SH stars playing in the NH were interested. I was hoping for the likes of Regan King, Luke McAllister, Carlos Spencer etc.

It should still be great. Should be nice to see an all out attcking game with Shane playing.

Cymro, the problem with judging the full back position on this game is it&#39;ll be all out attack. Stoddard won&#39;t be tested like he would in a full international, especially positional wise. This game plays into Stoddard&#39;s hands. I mean, he&#39;s been an attacking god recently lol.

Cymro
15-05-08, 09:32 PM
Cheers danny, looking foreward to it.
Cymro, the problem with judging the full back position on this game is it&#39;ll be all out attack. Stoddard won&#39;t be tested like he would in a full international, especially positional wise. This game plays into Stoddard&#39;s hands. I mean, he&#39;s been an attacking god recently lol. [/b]

Sorry what?

Ive said nothing about Stoddart in here!

dullonien
15-05-08, 10:23 PM
Oops, I meant Thingimubob.

shtove
15-05-08, 10:31 PM
Expectations are down a bit for this tour because of injuries, but that gives Gatland a chance to show what he really brought to the party in the 6N.

SA will probably be in chaos, so I&#39;ll be disappointed if Wales don&#39;t take one win.

What TV channel will the matches be on?

Anyway, all the tours look interesting for the NH teams - see if there&#39;s depth to their squads.

Cymro
15-05-08, 10:38 PM
Expectations are down a bit for this tour because of injuries, but that gives Gatland a chance to show what he really brought to the party in the 6N.

SA will probably be in chaos, so I&#39;ll be disappointed if Wales don&#39;t take one win.

What TV channel will the matches be on?

Anyway, all the tours look interesting for the NH teams - see if there&#39;s depth to their squads. [/b]

S4C in Wales and Sky are also hosting this!

Steve-o
15-05-08, 11:22 PM
Expectations are down a bit for this tour because of injuries, but that gives Gatland a chance to show what he really brought to the party in the 6N.

SA will probably be in chaos, so I&#39;ll be disappointed if Wales don&#39;t take one win.

What TV channel will the matches be on?

Anyway, all the tours look interesting for the NH teams - see if there&#39;s depth to their squads.
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How will SA be in chaos? Should atleast wait until Saturday, after the Sharks game, to call that one.

shtove
15-05-08, 11:35 PM
How will SA be in chaos? Should atleast wait until Saturday, after the Sharks game, to call that one. [/b]
Just going by press headlines.

The tours will be interesting for SH teams as well!

Steve-o
16-05-08, 07:12 AM
<div class='quotemain'>How will SA be in chaos? Should atleast wait until Saturday, after the Sharks game, to call that one. [/b]
Just going by press headlines.

The tours will be interesting for SH teams as well!
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Definitely, sure will be.

Incredible Schalk
16-05-08, 12:38 PM
Are the Springboks in trouble? havent heard anything, this series should be great. Habana vs Williams. :)

Thingimubob
16-05-08, 05:59 PM
Cheers danny, looking foreward to it.

I was hoping for a better world XV. the way Marshall was talking about it on Scrum V a couple of weeks back, it sounded as though more of the SH stars playing in the NH were interested. I was hoping for the likes of Regan King, Luke McAllister, Carlos Spencer etc.

It should still be great. Should be nice to see an all out attcking game with Shane playing.

Cymro, the problem with judging the full back position on this game is it&#39;ll be all out attack. Stoddard won&#39;t be tested like he would in a full international, especially positional wise. This game plays into Stoddard&#39;s hands. I mean, he&#39;s been an attacking god recently lol. [/b]

yeah, good point. but Jamie Roberts is very good in attack (not quite as good as Stoddard, but he&#39;s sheer size and speed is enough to worry defenses) and has a better kicking game at Fullback, so I&#39;d prefer seeing him at no.15 for the first test. But then again, Stoddard didn;t do too badly against the Sprinkboks last time, and he&#39;s superb in a loose open game.

Sir Speedy
16-05-08, 06:54 PM
Cheers danny, looking foreward to it.

I was hoping for a better world XV. the way Marshall was talking about it on Scrum V a couple of weeks back, it sounded as though more of the SH stars playing in the NH were interested. I was hoping for the likes of Regan King, Luke McAllister, Carlos Spencer etc.
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Yep, big let down imo. Marshall can&#39;t pick an exciting squad, nor can he play. Poor bugger.

Idris
17-05-08, 01:21 AM
My money is on Wales getting a clean sweep.

Steve-o
17-05-08, 04:12 PM
My money is on Wales getting a clean sweep.
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My money is on Wales getting swept

Cymro
17-05-08, 11:14 PM
Wales injuries worsen with Huw Bennett set to be ruled out and possibly Morgan Stoddart

Cymro
20-05-08, 02:43 PM
Bennett confirmed:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_unio...lsh/7409247.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/7409247.stm)

And Du Preez is now out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/7410028.stm

Oh Game time

Thingimubob
25-05-08, 07:28 PM
yet another injury for Wales, Newport Gwent Deagons Scrum Half Andy Williams pulls out with a back injury

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_unio...lsh/7409247.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/welsh/7409247.stm)

Cymro
25-05-08, 07:36 PM
Read this morning and was dissapointed to see it!

Andy had a chance to show he is Wales 3rd choice scrum half!!!

Surley they cant use Shane Williams as a back up! If so they should call up Tom Cheeseman!

Thingimubob
25-05-08, 07:49 PM
they&#39;re gonna have to if there&#39;s any more injuries...
Cheeseman plays centre for Bath doesn&#39;t he?

Cymro
25-05-08, 07:53 PM
they&#39;re gonna have to if there&#39;s any more injuries...
Cheeseman plays centre for Bath doesn&#39;t he?
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Yea but can also play on the wing!

Also this is taken directly from the WRU website!


Gatland looks likely to add hooker Richard Hibbard to bring his tour party to 26 later this week, after Hibbard has been put through his paces in training as a replacement for his injured Ospreys colleague Huw Bennett.[/b]

danny
25-05-08, 07:55 PM
<div class='quotemain'> they&#39;re gonna have to if there&#39;s any more injuries...
Cheeseman plays centre for Bath doesn&#39;t he?
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Yea but can also play on the wing!
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He plays both positions...........................badly!

Cymro
25-05-08, 08:05 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> they&#39;re gonna have to if there&#39;s any more injuries...
Cheeseman plays centre for Bath doesn&#39;t he?
[/b]

Yea but can also play on the wing!
[/b][/quote]
He plays both positions...........................badly! [/b][/quote]

Hmm not from what Ive seen!!!

Oh and some good coach called Warren Gatland has also be looking and talking POSITIVES about him ... hmm I wonder if this Gatland is any good?

danny
25-05-08, 08:14 PM
<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> they&#39;re gonna have to if there&#39;s any more injuries...
Cheeseman plays centre for Bath doesn&#39;t he?
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Yea but can also play on the wing!
[/b][/quote]
He plays both positions...........................badly! [/b][/quote]

Hmm not from what Ive seen!!!

Oh and some good coach called Warren Gatland has also be looking and talking POSITIVES about him ... hmm I wonder if this Gatland is any good?
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Look I have seen Cheeseman play loads of times live and he is a decent club player but dont imagine for a minute that he will be a star at international level. If you dont believe me ask a bath fan like Getofmeland who will back me up. Gatland IMO is a very good coach but dont ask the poor ******* to turn water into wine.

Cymro
25-05-08, 08:28 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> they&#39;re gonna have to if there&#39;s any more injuries...
Cheeseman plays centre for Bath doesn&#39;t he?
[/b]

Yea but can also play on the wing!
[/b][/quote]
He plays both positions...........................badly! [/b][/quote]

Hmm not from what Ive seen!!!

Oh and some good coach called Warren Gatland has also be looking and talking POSITIVES about him ... hmm I wonder if this Gatland is any good?
[/b][/quote]
Look I have seen Cheeseman play loads of times live and he is a decent club player but dont imagine for a minute that he will be a star at international level. If you dont believe me ask a bath fan like Getofmeland who will back me up. Gatland IMO is a very good coach but dont ask the poor ******* to turn water into wine. [/b][/quote]

Your first point is fairly poor &#39;I have seen Cheeseman play loads of times live&#39;, just because you seem to assume that I live in Wales I have not seen Cheeseman is wrong. I have myself seen him play live, I have seen him on tv and yes he may not be the finished article but he is a young and he seems to be getting rave reviews from people I have asked and have seen him play. Getofmeland told he is one for the future!

danny
25-05-08, 08:30 PM
<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotemain'> they&#39;re gonna have to if there&#39;s any more injuries...
Cheeseman plays centre for Bath doesn&#39;t he?
[/b]

Yea but can also play on the wing!
[/b][/quote]
He plays both positions...........................badly! [/b][/quote]

Hmm not from what Ive seen!!!

Oh and some good coach called Warren Gatland has also be looking and talking POSITIVES about him ... hmm I wonder if this Gatland is any good?
[/b][/quote]
Look I have seen Cheeseman play loads of times live and he is a decent club player but dont imagine for a minute that he will be a star at international level. If you dont believe me ask a bath fan like Getofmeland who will back me up. Gatland IMO is a very good coach but dont ask the poor ******* to turn water into wine. [/b][/quote]

Your first point is fairly poor &#39;I have seen Cheeseman play loads of times live&#39;, just because you seem to assume that I live in Wales I have not seen Cheeseman is wrong. I have myself seen him play live, I have seen him on tv and yes he may not be the finished article but he is a young and he seems to be getting rave reviews from people I have asked and have seen him play. Getofmeland told he is one for the future!
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Ok if it makes you feel beter he is like a better version of Frank Bunce combined with the magic of David Campese.

getofmeland
25-05-08, 08:30 PM
To be honest Cheeseman is a decent player and I feel he has the ability to become a good International Standard Player, he is only 22 and has had a good couple of seasons with Bath now...

Unfortunately for him this year he has had some injuries but still managed to make an important impact in the side... Rotating with Crockett who has been on a good run this season...

danny
25-05-08, 08:41 PM
To be honest Cheeseman is a decent player and I feel he has the ability to become a good International Standard Player, he is only 22 and has had a good couple of seasons with Bath now...

Unfortunately for him this year he has had some injuries but still managed to make an important impact in the side... Rotating with Crockett who has been on a good run this season...
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Fair play he`s from your club so you know better than me. The problem with Cymro is that he feels that he has to defend every player who is picked or even talked about for Wales. This doesnt help discussion and is a big reason for Wales`s problems post 1970`s( bar two years). I think that it is important that everyone should be able to discuss a players attributes fairly without caring who he represents.

Cymro
25-05-08, 09:24 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
To be honest Cheeseman is a decent player and I feel he has the ability to become a good International Standard Player, he is only 22 and has had a good couple of seasons with Bath now...

Unfortunately for him this year he has had some injuries but still managed to make an important impact in the side... Rotating with Crockett who has been on a good run this season...
[/b]
Fair play he`s from your club so you know better than me. The problem with Cymro is that he feels that he has to defend every player who is picked or even talked about for Wales. This doesnt help discussion and is a big reason for Wales`s problems post 1970`s( bar two years). I think that it is important that everyone should be able to discuss a players attributes fairly without caring who he represents. [/b][/quote]

No danny once again assuming instead of knowing, ive badgerd Charlie on msn for a while about this lad. Ive watched him himself and I feel he could make the step up for an international cap, the fact that you dismiss my view instantly because you assume I dont watch Guniess Prem Rugby is shown here.

I can discuss a players attributes and I dont care who he represents, basically the way you talk you are just saying all the Welsh can only post about Welsh related rugby issues, all the English about English rugby etc etc!

I can also defend the player / players if I so wish so. If I feel that comments made about a player and I disagree with them then yes I can defend them and give my view. I see you defend Gloucster and England players and I never ever see anyone throwing around the comments that you throw time to time! But again danny it seems your view is the only correct view!

Basically you are telling me that I cant comment about a player and then you throw in the &#39;oh he&#39;s Welsh so he has to defend every player&#39; comment again shows you ASSUME and don&#39;t understand! It must be the Welsh accent again <_<

Dyfal donc a dyr y gareg!

danny
26-05-08, 12:05 PM
Cymro my man, I am probably Gloucesters biggest critic on this forum and tell it as it is. I am a die-hard Gloucester man but I am well aware of their failings. My comments have a good grounding in the fact that I watch Premiership rugby home and away with Gloucester and have been aware of Cheeseman for a few years now. Im not saying you dont ever see any Premiership rugby but in this field my knowledge has to be respected. I cant argue with you on the Magners league as I only watch it occassionaly, so you have a better knowledge of that league than me. All I ask is you try to take a balanced view of a player rather than feel you have a duty to your country to defend them. That way we can have better discussion.
As an example Ryan Lamb, who everyone raves about, should never be let near an international team. ;)

Cymro
26-05-08, 09:32 PM
Cymro my man, I am probably Gloucesters biggest critic on this forum and tell it as it is. I am a die-hard Gloucester man but I am well aware of their failings. My comments have a good grounding in the fact that I watch Premiership rugby home and away with Gloucester and have been aware of Cheeseman for a few years now. Im not saying you dont ever see any Premiership rugby but in this field my knowledge has to be respected. I cant argue with you on the Magners league as I only watch it occassionaly, so you have a better knowledge of that league than me. All I ask is you try to take a balanced view of a player rather than feel you have a duty to your country to defend them. That way we can have better discussion.
As an example Ryan Lamb, who everyone raves about, should never be let near an international team. ;) [/b]

No mate it is my duty to post an opinion if I feel its necessary! I can take a balance view on a player but you are telling me I cant have an opinion on a a player purely for the fact you believe that I watch no Guniess Prem? You keep on saying its got nothing to do with it but it surely must do, because you are telling me that you watch the Guniess Prem more and have a better knowledge you may do so but there is nothing wrong in me defending what .... one player? danny the way you make it out I defend every Welsh player on the planet? But I dont mate, you assume these things ...

For example I do dislike Welsh players, and here are some of them:

Matthew Rees
Sonny Parker
Chris Wyatt
Rob Sidoli
Gareth Thomas
Dafydd Jones

I could go on for a bit longer, but I just dont defend Welsh players mate, its got nothing to do with nationality of myself or the players. If a player has taken uncessesary stick then I will back him up if I dsiagree!

dullonien
26-05-08, 10:50 PM
Out of interst Cymro, why do you dislike Dafydd Jones. He was awesome at his best a few years ago, he&#39;s getting back to somewhere neer that now, which should be a massive plus for the Scarlets and Wales.

I remember a certain Richie McCaw stating that he and Colin Charvis were the toughest oponents he&#39;d ever played against.

I fully understand the others named btw.

Cymro
26-05-08, 11:00 PM
Out of interst Cymro, why do you dislike Dafydd Jones. He was awesome at his best a few years ago, he&#39;s getting back to somewhere neer that now, which should be a massive plus for the Scarlets and Wales.

I remember a certain Richie McCaw stating that he and Colin Charvis were the toughest oponents he&#39;d ever played against.

I fully understand the others named btw. [/b]

Just realised I got the wrong person, sounds nothing the same though! I was meant to put Dafydd James down.

loratadine
26-05-08, 11:51 PM
where the hell r the summer tour threads :S

anyways, we wont beat the boks

not with the side we got

if parker plays 12

nd steyn plays 12

steyn will rip parker to pieces

it wont even be funny

why is parker there

Cymro
26-05-08, 11:53 PM
where the hell r the summer tour threads :S

anyways, we wont beat the boks

not with the side we got

if parker plays 12

nd steyn plays 12

steyn will rip parker to pieces

it wont even be funny

why is parker there

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It will be a challenge for Gatland and the players so anything could happen out there, im hoping for the best really!

danny
27-05-08, 07:27 AM
<div class='quotemain'> Cymro my man, I am probably Gloucesters biggest critic on this forum and tell it as it is. I am a die-hard Gloucester man but I am well aware of their failings. My comments have a good grounding in the fact that I watch Premiership rugby home and away with Gloucester and have been aware of Cheeseman for a few years now. Im not saying you dont ever see any Premiership rugby but in this field my knowledge has to be respected. I cant argue with you on the Magners league as I only watch it occassionaly, so you have a better knowledge of that league than me. All I ask is you try to take a balanced view of a player rather than feel you have a duty to your country to defend them. That way we can have better discussion.
As an example Ryan Lamb, who everyone raves about, should never be let near an international team. ;) [/b]

No mate it is my duty to post an opinion if I feel its necessary! I can take a balance view on a player but you are telling me I cant have an opinion on a a player purely for the fact you believe that I watch no Guniess Prem? You keep on saying its got nothing to do with it but it surely must do, because you are telling me that you watch the Guniess Prem more and have a better knowledge you may do so but there is nothing wrong in me defending what .... one player? danny the way you make it out I defend every Welsh player on the planet? But I dont mate, you assume these things ...

For example I do dislike Welsh players, and here are some of them:

Matthew Rees
Sonny Parker
Chris Wyatt
Rob Sidoli
Gareth Thomas
Dafydd Jones

I could go on for a bit longer, but I just dont defend Welsh players mate, its got nothing to do with nationality of myself or the players. If a player has taken uncessesary stick then I will back him up if I dsiagree!
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Now doesnt that feel better. Well done Cymro letting go and admitting there are some Welsh players you dont rate is a big step forward for you on your future contributions. I look forward to seeing a far more balanced view from your posts. :bravo:

loratadine
27-05-08, 10:30 AM
ummmm i think cymro&#39;s posts have always been balanced. just because he defends welsh players doesnt mean hes not balanced. the players he has defended he genuinely rates as players not just because there welsh, im sure if you had bought sonny parker up you would have had a far more critical response. it would be like for example, if i bought up 4 or 5 english players u rated and started slating them, nd u lept to there defence... does that make u baised towards english players :S

think your being a bit silly to be honest.

dullonien
27-05-08, 12:01 PM
Well done Danny. Give yourself a nice pat on the back. Cymro&#39;s a very balanced poster, waaaay better than you. All this coming from the person who just won the &#39;Biggest bull****ter award&#39;, how&#39;s the irony tasting?

danny
27-05-08, 01:13 PM
As always the Welsh boys stick together. Its a very admirable sentiment but it doesnt help us to have a fair discussion on the merits of certain players. My biggest bull****ter award was a pleasure to recieve but it bares no relavance to this issue.We are all free to make comments on whatever issue we like and some posters are more knowledgable on certain subjects than others. For example I wouldnt dream of questioning a South African members knowledge on a new member of the Springbok squad. So a little more respect of my Premiership knowledge would be appreciated. Like I said you guys sticking together for the sheer fact you are from the same country is great but it stifles discussion. I never took a kicking from the Welsh on the rugby field without fighting back and I certainly wont be accepting a verbal kicking from the same bully boy culture that exists in Wales towards the English.

loratadine
27-05-08, 02:30 PM
what the hell are you on about :S where not sticking up for cymro cos hes welsh, where sticking up for him cos your tlking ******, pure and simple, stop harping on about welsh people sticking up for each other all the time, because its kind of tedious, nd well its stifles discussions.

Sir Speedy
27-05-08, 03:29 PM
what the hell are you on about :S where not sticking up for cymro cos hes welsh, where sticking up for him cos your tlking ******, pure and simple, stop harping on about welsh people sticking up for each other all the time, because its kind of tedious, nd well its stifles discussions.
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What he said. For example: I never stick up for lora because he&#39;s a smelly hippy. :D

dullonien
27-05-08, 04:09 PM
Well said lora.

The &#39;bully boy&#39; culture you describe danny, does not exist in us younger Welsh people, as we (unlike generations before, including parents) have not been belittled and hampered by the British government, which happened to be run by mostly English. Cymdeithas yr Iaith isn&#39;t so important anymore, as it has done it&#39;s duty and &#39;bullied&#39; the then big cats in London to realize Welsh is an important language that deserves to be recognised. It took riots etc. a few decades ago, to enable us here in Wales to have simple things like road signs with Welsh on them or S4C, a Welsh tv channel.

There&#39;s still allot of banter between the two countries that mainly remains in sport, especially rugby. What is wrong with that, it&#39;s not as if were alone in &#39;hating&#39; the English when it comes to sport. The rest of the home nations, France, Aus, and NZ all have similar attitudes. For me personally, this stems from things like media, where it doesn&#39;t matter what Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland manages to do, English news is always more important. This is not the fault of the general public, and to an extent I understand that the BBC, ITV and national papers etc. cater for the largest audience, England.

I have a number of English friends and my gf is technically English, being born in South End (though she considers herself Welsh). As long as English people who move to Wales make an effort to embrace our culture, I&#39;m fine. If not, they can go stuff themselves. As for every other English person, such as yourself, I will treat you as I would any other person in the world, why wouldn&#39;t I?

End of rant.

Cymro
27-05-08, 04:27 PM
Christ I never knew that my opinion on the possible selection of Tom Cheeseman for Wales could cause so much hassle.

In future danny, I will try not to post any of my thoughts and feelings about Wales and Welsh players if you so wish, because obviosuly I don&#39;t get through to you. It&#39;s not because Im Welsh its because I want to see the player play! It be the same for any nation, If I see a player who could make the grade at international level then I will say so.

As for the lads above, some great posts and for the fact they are Welsh make no difference. If you read back a page danny you will see Charlie posted saying that Cheeseman is one for the future!

ben
28-05-08, 08:26 PM
why is sonny parker even considered, he&#39;s not even welsh.