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Steve-o
17-05-08, 10:38 PM
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=...12251529C992909 (http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=18&art_id=nw20080517212251529C992909)

Ok. I nearly flipped my lid when i heard some of these names being called out. I mean, Dollie has never played in the S14! BUT then i remembered PdV promised he wouldn't choose any players that made it into the play offs, so they don't loose focus. So guys like Mujati, Nokwe, Dollie, Adams, Bobo and so on WILL be replaced.
I think he's done this to show these guys that they're on his radar.

mickywicky
17-05-08, 11:37 PM
http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=...12251529C992909 (http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=18&art_id=nw20080517212251529C992909)

Ok. I nearly flipped my lid when i heard some of these names being called out. I mean, Dollie has never played in the S14! BUT then i remembered PdV promised he wouldn't choose any players that made it into the play offs, so they don't loose focus. So guys like Mujati, Nokwe, Dollie, Adams, Bobo and so on WILL be replaced.
I think he's done this to show these guys that they're on his radar.
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Yeah so did I. He'll end up with a training squad of 50+... that's too many I reckon. Might as well have invited all S14 players.
But... you want Mujati replaced? He scrummed the pants off Heinke van der Merwe today, no mean feat. One of the best props in SA.
Agreed on the others though. He announed 42 so far, I'd take about 15 off that list right now.

mike-o-l
18-05-08, 04:54 AM
Really surprised that Kambamba Floors was called up, he hasn't played any fiveteens this year. I was really shocked when Jano Vermaak didn't make it, even just into the training squad but he put Heini Adams in.

Steve-o
18-05-08, 05:35 AM
Micky,..? I'm sorry boet but vd Merwe was the boss last night. Mujati was taught a lesson in scrummaging. Plus we got guys like Jannie du Plessis, BJ Botha and vd Linde who are miles ahead of him.

mickywicky
18-05-08, 09:17 AM
Micky,..? I'm sorry boet but vd Merwe was the boss last night. Mujati was taught a lesson in scrummaging. Plus we got guys like Jannie du Plessis, BJ Botha and vd Linde who are miles ahead of him.
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Hmmm I am ashamed to admit you&#39;re right <_<
I watched the game again later on (after sobering up :bleh!: ), indeed Mujati only dominated the opening exchanges.
Maybe a fitness issue, like half the Stormers or more??

I read the training squad list again this morning, there are certainly about 10-12 genuine "WTF&#39;s?" in there as far as I&#39;m concerned. But overall, a big sigh of relief.
:bana: :bana: :bana: :bana: :bana: :bana:
I just hope the 30 in the squad will be somewhat similar.
And that the others who genuinely were good but not good enough shoudl make the Emerging Boks squad. Since PdV used to coach them, the Emerging Boks might well be better taken care of in the future? One can only hope.

Steve-o
18-05-08, 02:04 PM
No shame in admitting it, vd Merwe is a monster! I&#39;m a huge fan of his. Not many players can match him imo. Expect him to be in the Bok squad for many years to come.
I agree with you about the Emerging Boks, it&#39;s a great concept and can only be good for these young players.

Jer1cho
19-05-08, 09:40 AM
Worst player in the rugby world: Zane Kirchner (How he got to where he is i will never know, utter ****e stain of a rugby player)

2nd Worst player in the rugby world: Earl Rose (see above comment and repeat)

3rd Worst player in the rugby world: Gcobani Bobo (nuff said)

What the hell? That ass Regan Hoskins must just die. If those players were chosen on merrit, then i think the selectors are mentally challenged. Seriously.

Zane Kirchner? If he makes it, i cant even describe........... ****
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mickywicky
19-05-08, 10:56 AM
No point being rude about it.
Re: Zane Kirchner, I don&#39;t rate him as a Bok fullback, not to mention that I can think of 3 better ones out there, and there might be more:
1. Percy
2. Conrad Jantjies
3. Stephan Terr&#39;Blanche

Not sure whether Terr&#39;Blanche is better than Jantjies, one can debate that.
Rose has no place in there, Bobo... er... nah, he&#39;s been S14 standard, no more.
Like I said, I saw a lot of "WTF&#39;s?" in the list, but PdV hasn&#39;t left the important players out either, which is what I&#39;d feared most.

Steve-o
19-05-08, 02:53 PM
Du Preez is out for 6 weeks and therefore will miss the 2 Test matches against Wales after breaking a bone in his hand against the Cheetahs.

mickywicky
19-05-08, 03:02 PM
Du Preez is out for 6 weeks and therefore will miss the 2 Test matches against Wales after breaking a bone in his hand against the Cheetahs.
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Shame, man. He wasn&#39;t at his best this year but still a star.
Januarie and Kockott it is then?

Jer1cho
19-05-08, 03:20 PM
Januarie and Kockott it is then?[/b]

Kocket is really putting his hand up. I would like to see him get a shot.

Steve-o
19-05-08, 03:41 PM
Yeah I agree, but I think Kockett was always gonna replace Adams. So maybe now Adams will just stick around

Incredible Schalk
19-05-08, 03:46 PM
Percy is infinetely inferior to the mighty Jantjes B)

Bobo has played for the Spirngboks before, 2003 tri nations he played very well against the All Blacks in Dunedin?! He&#39;s not brilliant but he has been solid this year.

Steve-o
19-05-08, 04:13 PM
Yeah he&#39;s been ok but he&#39;s not near Bok. 2002-2003 were the worst years in Bok history. Partly because of quotas and mostly because of Strualie or however you spell that doos&#39;s name

Jer1cho
19-05-08, 04:23 PM
Yeah he&#39;s been ok but he&#39;s not near Bok. 2002-2003 were the worst years in Bok history. Partly because of quotas and mostly because of Strualie or however you spell that doos&#39;s name[/b]

I threw a frizby at him in Ellis Park after the 2002 game between us and AUS. Had to leg it out of the Stadium as fast as i could because the ******* security guards were chasing me. It hit him on the leg. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

dullonien
19-05-08, 04:28 PM
No point being rude about it.
Re: Zane Kirchner, I don&#39;t rate him as a Bok fullback, not to mention that I can think of 3 better ones out there, and there might be more:
1. Percy
2. Conrad Jantjies
3. Stephan Terr&#39;Blanche

Not sure whether Terr&#39;Blanche is better than Jantjies, one can debate that.
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Can&#39;t believe Ter&#39;Blanche is in the running. He never played that well for the Ospreys and was a distant second to Lee Burne (even though Burne was half the player he is now). He must have picked his game up big time after returning to South Africa (or he wasn&#39;t trying when he was in Wales).

Suppose it&#39;s similar to when Montgomery played for Newport, he was absolutely useless.

Edit. I realise Ter&#39;Blanche isn&#39;t properly in the running, and and it&#39;s between Montgomery and Jentjes for the starting spot.

Steve-o
19-05-08, 04:33 PM
Yeah he&#39;s been ok but he&#39;s not near Bok. 2002-2003 were the worst years in Bok history. Partly because of quotas and mostly because of Strualie or however you spell that doos&#39;s name[/b]

I threw a frizby at him in Ellis Park after the 2002 game between us and AUS. Had to leg it out of the Stadium as fast as i could because the ******* security guards were chasing me. It hit him on the leg. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
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Was that plan B? Plan A being a grenade instead?

Jer1cho
19-05-08, 04:39 PM
Was that plan B? Plan A being a grenade instead?[/b]

ROFL!!!!!!!

Incredible Schalk
21-05-08, 06:05 PM
Yeah he&#39;s been ok but he&#39;s not near Bok. 2002-2003 were the worst years in Bok history. Partly because of quotas and mostly because of Strualie or however you spell that doos&#39;s name
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Dark,dark days, i just think that was a time when there wasnt a good wealth of talent in Saffa rugby. Amazing now that has changed and i would go as far to say they have the best depth in world rugby. I remember first properly watching the Boks against Scotland in 2002, they were terrible lost 21-6 and subsequently were humped by England the next week, as soon as they changed coaches and brung back the likes of Percy the Boks won the tri nations only two years later. :bravo:

Steve-o
21-05-08, 06:38 PM
No pun on &#39;dark days&#39; :lol:
Just kidding
But yeah they sure were mate, atleast we didn&#39;t lose to the Welsh :P

Incredible Schalk
21-05-08, 07:48 PM
No pun on &#39;dark days&#39; :lol:
Just kidding
But yeah they sure were mate, atleast we didn&#39;t lose to the Welsh :P
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Just think 1999, to be honest from 1999 to 2003 Bok rugby wasnt in good shape, basically because the backs could create nothing. Also as you said Rudolph Straueli was ****, his brutal treatment of the players pre 03 world cup was sickening.

Steve-o
21-05-08, 10:04 PM
True, that period was a period of firsts. Bad firsts. Two that come to mind is of course our biggest defeat, 53-3 against England in 2002. And our 1st and only defeat to Wales in almost a hundred years playing against each other in 2000.
Let&#39;s not even get into Kamp Staaldrad (Camp Barbed Wire). Would of been a different story if they actually did well in the WC.

Jer1cho
22-05-08, 06:03 AM
Earl Rose and Zane Kirchner make me vomit a little in my mouth every time they touch the ball...

deadlypea
22-05-08, 07:51 AM
I guess they aren&#39;t very solid but do sometimes have great games, those sometimes are unfortunately less than the rubbish perfomances though.

silent_shadow
24-05-08, 09:21 PM
It&#39;s a shame Vermaak didn&#39;t make it. I rate him far more than that idiot Kockott. Kockott&#39;s quick, but selfish and often tries too much instead of just doing the basics. He&#39;s a decent player, but nothing more.
Wish Brussouw had gotten in, now that&#39;s one for the future. Floors isn&#39;t bad but below average compare to the rest of our loosies. Doesn&#39;t deserve a spot.
Mujati has been one of the best props in SA this year. You must&#39;ve only watched the games where he had to switch over to 3 to keep the scrum from imploding. Without him, the stormers scrum wouldn&#39;t exist. Don&#39;t rate Jannie du Plessis much. Think the beast has outperformed him actually.
Earl Rose is totally undeserving and Bobo is deserving. A great defensive player and good attacker when given space. He links the backs very well. His real position is inside centre though. But the standard of SA centres, barring JdV and Fourie isn&#39;t that great, so no problems with him being in. He&#39;s dependable, like Barritt and Bosman.
Don&#39;t get me started on Olivier... I think Morne Steyn would&#39;ve been a good option. Since he been in the starting lineup the bulls have been playing very well. He can also cover centre.

silent_shadow
26-05-08, 04:17 PM
And Kockott and Jannie aren&#39;t in the squad :)
Unfortunately Murray and Jacobs are in :huh: ... and Bosman&#39;s out.
I&#39;m scared about our future centre pairing. JdV better not become injured. I really wish they&#39;d called Barritt up. Him at 12 and Jean at 13 would&#39;ve been great.

Steve-o
26-05-08, 05:10 PM
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=18...206&set_id= (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=18&art_id=nw20080526162545543C424206&set_id=)




Jannie du Plessis was a surprise omission when the list of Sharks players, who have been invited to the Springbok training camp in Somerset West, was announced on Monday.

The Sharks tighthead was impressive in his side&#39;s semifinal defeat against the Warathas in Sydney over the weekend and had strong selection claims for inclusion in the Bok training squad.

Du Plessis, a fully qualified doctor, made his Springbok debut last year on the Tri-Nations tour of Australasia when he replaced the injured Cobus Visagie against Australia.

He was a member of Jake White&#39;s World Cup winning squad after he joined as a late replacement and made his tournament debut in the quarterfinal against Fiji.


De Villiers felt that Du Plessis&#39; absence did not suggest the player wasn&#39;t good enough.

"Jannie did not always make the Sharks&#39; starting line-up in the Super 14 this season," said De Villiers. "There are some guys like (Brian) Mujati who have been stars of the Super 14. By not having Jannie here is not to say that he&#39;s not good enough, or that we don&#39;t want him, it&#39;s just that there are other guys on song. We always said that we (Springbok selectors) will look at form.

"Really, I wish I could have all the players at this camp."

Another surprise omission is Rory Kockett, who is regarded as one of the top three scrumhalves in the country. With first choice scrumhalf Fourie du Preez out with injury for at least six weeks, Kockett would have been a sound choice as the understudy to Ricky Januarie.

One other Sharks player who can consider himself unlucky is centre Bradley Barritt who has been very effective, both on attack and defence.

The Sharks players will start arriving in Cape Town on Tuesday.

Sharks players for inclusion in the Bok training squad: BJ Botha, Bismarck du Plessis, Adrian Jacobs, Ryan Kankowski, Tendai Mtawarira, Johann Muller, Waylon Murray, Odwa Ndungane, Ruan Pienaar, JP Pietersen and Francois Steyn. - Sapa

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FFS what a damn liar, "We always said that we (Springbok selectors) will look at form" my ass. So his lapdog Dollie (never played a S14 in his life) is an on form flyhalf OVER Meyer Bosman? BS! He goes on to say that J Du Plessis was not selected enough, what about Murray?!?! He&#39;s hardly featured in the latter half of the season, Barritt pulled the backline back together when he came on last weekend. Has Conradie shown better form than Kockett? HELL NO. I think Jacobs has shown some promise though. Seriously he mustn&#39;t say he picks on form if he picked a guy like Fourie who only played 2 games, although he&#39;s a class player and I&#39;ve always wanted him in, you can&#39;t judge form on 2 games.

Silly me for thinking quota&#39;s were gone.