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jaco
23-05-08, 08:51 PM
I know not all of you like the champions, the boks. But now that they are the champs we can just as well talk a bit of them. What team will you pick if you had a say?



Here's my team:



1. G.Steenkamp

2. S.Brits

3. C.van der Linde

4. B.Botha

5. A.Bekker

6. S.Burger

7. W.van Heerden

8. R.Konkowski/P.Spies

9. F.Hougaard/R.Kockett

10. F.Steyn

11. B.Habana

12. W.Olivier

13. J. de Villiers C

14. T.Chavanga

15. C.Jantjies



16. B.du Plessis

17. B.Mujati

18. V. Matfield

19. L.Watson

20. R.Januarie

21. B.James

22. J.Nokwe

Incredible Schalk
23-05-08, 09:11 PM
Decent enough picks, only thing is Hougard is a 10 not a half back and hell he's a bad fly half anyway. :lol:

I would keep Matfield in, he's probably the best lock in the world although Bekker is the future.

Otherwise except missing Juan Smith out cant complain. :)

SaintsFan_Webby
23-05-08, 09:25 PM
Are there really no better options at 12 for the Boks at 12 than Olivier? He's been rubbish every time I've seen him play. Looking at the initial list again there's no Francois Steyn. I'd rather have a blindfolded Styen at inside centre than Olivier.

Incredible Schalk
23-05-08, 11:14 PM
Are there really no better options at 12 for the Boks at 12 than Olivier? He's been rubbish every time I've seen him play. Looking at the initial list again there's no Francois Steyn. I'd rather have a blindfolded Styen at inside centre than Olivier.
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:lol: Your right missed Olivier he's garbage most of the time although did find some form at the end of this season. Got the likes of Fourie,Murray,Bobo,Steyn as you say ,all better players.

Steve-o
24-05-08, 02:38 AM
Decent enough picks, only thing is Hougard is a 10 not a half back and hell he's a bad fly half anyway. :lol:

I would keep Matfield in, he's probably the best lock in the world although Bekker is the future.

Otherwise except missing Juan Smith out cant complain. :)
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There's another Hougaard on the block. But he's been a nobody.. aswell.

My pick:
15 - Jantjies
14 - Chavhanga
13 - Fourie
12 - De Villiers
11 - Habana
10 - Grant
9 - Januarie
8 - Kankowski
7 - Smith
6 - Burger
5 - Matfield
4 - Muller (has the muscle to play 4)
3 - vd Linde
2 - Du Plessis
1 - vd Merwe

16 - Brits
17 - BJ Botha
18 - Bekker
19 - Vermeulen
20 - Kockett
21 - Steyn
22 - O. Ndungane

Whoa, that was actually pretty hard. Which is great!

Haj
24-05-08, 05:07 AM
I believe smits, Monte and butch are also all cleared to play for the boks.

Whats up with that?? Must be scared the world champs will get flogged in the tri nations. To be honest I think SA have more then enuff talent to fill the void left by these players.

jaco
24-05-08, 07:55 AM
1. G.Steenkamp

2. S.Brits

3. C.van der Linde

4. B.Botha

5. A.Bekker

6. S.Burger

7. W.van Heerden

8. R.Konkowski/P.Spies

9. F.du Preez

10. B.James

11. B.Habana

12. F.Steyn

13. J. de Villiers C

14. T.Chavanga

15. C.Jantjies



16. B.du Plessis

17. B.Mujati

18. V. Matfield

19. L.Watson

20. R.Januarie

21. P.Grant

22. J.Nokwe


The best there is at the moment, I think

cacamou
24-05-08, 08:16 AM
francois steyn the best so far

Incredible Schalk
24-05-08, 11:20 PM
Does the beast not qualify for the Boks?

Jaco de Beer
26-05-08, 11:38 AM
Team looks fine, but not good or even great. Two concerns....Jantjies defence and no recognized goal kicker.

danny
26-05-08, 12:11 PM
I see Luke Watson is picked on the bench i a few teams. Do you really think he is now international class??

Steve-o
26-05-08, 01:17 PM
Does the beast not qualify for the Boks?
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He qualifies in July, the 7th if I remember correctly

Jer1cho
26-05-08, 02:03 PM
1. Heinke vd Merwe (The 'white' Beast)
2. Schalk Brits
3. CJ vd Linde
4. Johan Muller (Botha is just dirty, and is ******* me off)
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Pierre Spies
8. Ryan Kankowski

9. Rory Kockott
10. Francois Steyn
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Jacques Fourie
14. Tonderai Chavhanga
15. Conrad Jantjes


16. Bizmark Du Plessis
17. BJ Botha
18. Juan Smith
19. Bakkies Botha
20. Enrique Januarie
21. Peter Grant
22. Jongikhaya Nokwe

Steve-o
26-05-08, 02:23 PM
Ok what do people see in Steyn playing at 10?
IMO he's distribution skills are average, decision making is too unpredictable and is found wanting often, and is way to dominate with the ball in hand to play anything but 15 or maybe 13 (only if the team has crap wingers). Did anybody see his 2 or 3 performances at 10 in the S14? Muir, the rotate freak, won't even put him there anymore!

Bull
26-05-08, 02:26 PM
1. Heinke vd Merwe (The 'white' Beast)

22. Jongikhaya Nokwe [/b]

Amen, Heinke will crush Tendai. As for Nokwe he is pretty ****.

Jer1cho
26-05-08, 02:34 PM
Ok what do people see in Steyn playing at 10?
IMO he's distribution skills are average, decision making is too unpredictable and is found wanting often, and is way to dominate with the ball in hand to play anything but 15 or maybe 13 (only if the team has crap wingers). Did anybody see his 2 or 3 performances at 10 in the S14? Muir, the rotate freak, won't even put him there anymore![/b]

Ok ok, he does have the occassional brain-fart. I have faith in him though. He has great potential, and i think that if he can stay at 10, and play the Tri Nations, S14, and end of year tours staying at 10, and not being rotated all the time, he will become a very good player.

I dont think he is a brilliant 10, but i chose him there because i want to see him develop there, and become a truly brilliant player. (I just hope he doesnt become anymore big headed than he is at the moment.)


As for Nokwe he is pretty ****.[/b]

Dude, he scored in almost every game he played, and has incredible speed. I don't care if a winger is as useless as a bat, if he can outrun every member of the opponents team, and can finish everyone else's brilliant work and score to take the credit, then he is a winger i would choose.

Steve-o
26-05-08, 02:44 PM
I'd love to see Pienaar at 10 more. He played REALLY good against the Chiefs at 10 and showed good vision in other games. Terblanche helped us out this season but Steyn should be given a few starts at 15 imo.

Bull
26-05-08, 02:47 PM
As for Nokwe he is pretty ****.[/b]

Dude, he scored in almost every game he played, and has incredible speed. I don't care if a winger is as useless as a bat, if he can outrun every member of the opponents team, and can finish everyone else's brilliant work and score to take the credit, then he is a winger i would choose. [/b]

Yes and John Daniels has scored how many tries in the Currie Cup? 60+ but he is still ****. Speed doesn't mean anything if you can't be put into space. Yes he has speed and he is quick but he doesn't have any other tricks up he's sleeve. I also don't really like Chavanga but at least he has a bit of a step and can fend defenders of. Nokwe is suspect on defence and under the high ball. Then I'd rather have one of the Ndungane brothers in there and sacrifice a bit of speed, but is solid under the high ball and can tackle.

Jer1cho
26-05-08, 02:54 PM
Yes and John Daniels has scored how many tries in the Currie Cup? 60+ but he is still ****. Speed doesn't mean anything if you can't be put into space. Yes he has speed and he is quick but he doesn't have any other tricks up he's sleeve. I also don't really like Chavanga but at least he has a bit of a step and can fend defenders of. Nokwe is suspect on defence and under the high ball. Then I'd rather have one of the Ndungane brothers in there and sacrifice a bit of speed, but is solid under the high ball and can tackle.[/b]

So then put them in your own bloody team and stop criticizing mine. I want someone that can catch anyone who caught an intercept and is running away to score. I think Nokwe will catch any New Zealander or Australian. I also want a wing who, when the ball is kicked downfield, will beat everyone else there to score. Having a slow winger is like having a short lock or a skinny prop.

I dont care who you think is good or crap, he is on my bench, choose your own team.

Jaco de Beer
26-05-08, 05:27 PM
1. Heinke vd Merwe
2. Schalk Brits
3. CJ vd Linde
4. Bakkies Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Pierre Spies
8. Ryan Kankowski

9. Rory Kockott
10. Butch James
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Jacques Fourie
14. Tonderai Chavhanga
15. Francois Steyn


16. Bizmark Du Plessis
17. BJ Botha
18. Juan Smith
19. Johan Muller
20. Enrique Januarie
21. Conrad Jantjies (can be used on wing or fullback)
22. Morne Steyn (can be used on centre or flyhalf)


I would only choose Kockott because he can kick.


Don't think I have enough players of colour in my team?

Incredible Schalk
26-05-08, 09:00 PM
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Does the beast not qualify for the Boks?
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He qualifies in July, the 7th if I remember correctly
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Good stuff, hes an absoloute destroyer.

silent_shadow
26-05-08, 10:20 PM
With the squad available against Wales:
1. Heinke vd Merwe
2. Bismarck du Plessis
3. CJ vd Linde
4. Bakkies Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Wickus van Heerden (is he injured? otherwise Watson)
7. Juan Smith
8. Ryan Kankowski
9. Ricky Januarie
10. Butch James
11. Bryan Habana
12. ?Bobo?
13. Jean de Villiers
14. Tonderai Chavhanga
15. Conrad Jantjes

16. Schalk Brits
17. Brian Mujati
18. Juan Smith
19. Andries Bekker
20. Francois Steyn
21. Peter Grant
22. Ruan Pienaar

That one was actually quite tough. I think it&#39;s obvious that JdV is a much better 13 than a 12. Problem is we don&#39;t have any outstanding 12s. Guys like Barritt/M. Steyn/Bosman(injured)/Bobo (better 12 than 13) are decent though and Bobo is the only one of those in the squad. At least he and Jdv know each oher.
Steyn is a loose cannon and definitely not what we need at 12. We have some amazing match winners in our backline and we just need a dependable 12 who can be trusted on to make crucial decisions. Steyn, however doesn&#39;t pass the ball and often wastes it kicking silly drop goal attemps. He&#39;s also lacking on defence and can&#39;t control a backline. That&#39;s why we need a 12 who can pass the ball over to Jean, Tondie and Habana and let them do their thing.
Peter Grant might not be a bad idea either, he gets to play alongside Butch and gain crucial experience. My preference would&#39;ve been Barritt though, he&#39;s an unsung hero that really gets the backline working. If only he were in the squad.
Don&#39;t really want Pienaar in the team, but we need a back-up scrummie. Of course, I&#39;m sure wunderkind Steyn can cover that area as well.

Bull
27-05-08, 06:27 AM
Yes and John Daniels has scored how many tries in the Currie Cup? 60+ but he is still ****. Speed doesn&#39;t mean anything if you can&#39;t be put into space. Yes he has speed and he is quick but he doesn&#39;t have any other tricks up he&#39;s sleeve. I also don&#39;t really like Chavanga but at least he has a bit of a step and can fend defenders of. Nokwe is suspect on defence and under the high ball. Then I&#39;d rather have one of the Ndungane brothers in there and sacrifice a bit of speed, but is solid under the high ball and can tackle.[/b]

So then put them in your own bloody team and stop criticizing mine. I want someone that can catch anyone who caught an intercept and is running away to score. I think Nokwe will catch any New Zealander or Australian. I also want a wing who, when the ball is kicked downfield, will beat everyone else there to score. Having a slow winger is like having a short lock or a skinny prop.

I dont care who you think is good or crap, he is on my bench, choose your own team. [/b]

Whatever stop being a cry baby. Nokwe is like a poodle that chases a car down the road, once he catches he doesn&#39;t know what to do with him/it.

Jer1cho
27-05-08, 07:16 AM
Whatever stop being a cry baby. Nokwe is like a poodle that chases a car down the road, once he catches he doesn&#39;t know what to do with him/it.[/b]

Typical Pretorian. Go spin your car in Hatfield at 6 in the morning or something.

Bull
27-05-08, 10:22 AM
Whatever stop being a cry baby. Nokwe is like a poodle that chases a car down the road, once he catches he doesn&#39;t know what to do with him/it.[/b]

Typical Pretorian. Go spin your car in Hatfield at 6 in the morning or something. [/b]

Mmm really mature.

Ok let&#39;s get this thread back on topic. I see Pieter De Villiers says he wants to introduce a rugby culture by keeping the ball alive and that players don&#39;t go to ground and run opposition players of their feet. Don&#39;t think this will work and the players will have to be super fit.

Steve-o
27-05-08, 05:17 PM
I agree with you, i don&#39;t think it will work either.
Has anybody seen a team, that De Villiers has coached, play before?

maki
03-06-08, 06:58 PM
what about big joe van niekerk

nosferatu
06-06-08, 10:54 AM
Has anybody seen a team, that De Villiers has coached, play before? [/b]

Yeah, your emerging springboks of 2007.
Can&#39;t say much about them, as they were a class above all oposition, but what really impressed me was PDV&#39;s big mouth. Even months before the World Cup, he was seeing himself as the next coach of a springbok team with at least 7 coloured players starting. And, looking at tomorrow&#39;s lineup, he was right! (wow, an all-white bench..)

jaco
19-06-08, 07:18 AM
G.Steenkamp
S.Brits
BJ.Botha
B.Botha (Pure power)
V.Matfield (His picking his running game up)
P.Spies
S.Burger
R.Konkawski
R.Kockott
B.James
B.Habana
J. de Villiers
A.Jacobs or bring back M.Joubert
T.Chavanga
C.Jantjies

B.du Plessis
B.Mujati
A.Bekker
J.Smith
L.Watson (unlucky to mis the starting 15)
F.Steyn (he must play flyhalf)
R.Pienaar (can play from scrumhalf to fullback)

Jer1cho
19-06-08, 07:57 AM
G.Steenkamp
S.Brits
BJ.Botha
B.Botha (Pure power)
V.Matfield (His picking his running game up)
P.Spies
S.Burger
R.Konkawski
R.Kockott
B.James
B.Habana
J. de Villiers
A.Jacobs or bring back M.Joubert
T.Chavanga
C.Jantjies

B.du Plessis
B.Mujati
A.Bekker
J.Smith
L.Watson (unlucky to mis the starting 15)
F.Steyn (he must play flyhalf)
R.Pienaar (can play from scrumhalf to fullback)
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I like your team, but yeah i will shove Steyns feelings out the window, and put him at 12 with de Villiers at 13.

Incredible Schalk
19-06-08, 12:32 PM
Adi Jacobs or Marius Joubert ahead of Jacque Fourie :huh:

springbok90
23-06-08, 02:11 AM
My springbok team would be

15. Montgomery/Steyn
14. Chavanga/Odwa Ndungane
13. Jean De Villiers/ Steyn
12. Jacque Fourie
11. Habana
10. James/Steyn
9. Du Preez/Pienaar/Kockett
8. Kankowski
7. Watson
6. Burger
5. Matfield
4. Botha
3. Beast
2. Smit
1. Botha/Steenkamp

deadlypea
23-06-08, 03:41 PM
7 Juan Smith

NOT WATSON! What you been smoking boet?

MDickie
24-06-08, 05:56 PM
Steenkamp
Smit
Beast
Botha
Matfield
Shaulk
Smith
Spies
Pienaar
James
Habanna
JDV
Steyn
JP
Jantes

steynboi
04-07-08, 09:20 PM
the lists are good but i think i would prefer to put steyn at fullback rather than fly half or centre. but thats just me.

jaco
12-07-08, 10:39 PM
H. van der Merwe
B. du Plessis
BJ. Botha
B. Botha
V. Matfield
P. Spies
S. Burger
R. Konkawski
F. Hougaard (His in great form for the bulls) Name: Francios
B. James
B. Habana
W. Olivier (His in great form, his running holes in the defence)
J. de Villiers
C. Jantjies
F. Steyn

Steve-o
13-07-08, 08:02 AM
I must admit Olivier (aka Meisiekind) has been in great form for the Bulls lately. Unfortunately he has a history of not carrying club form onto the International scene, hopefully he&#39;ll work on that

American Springbok
13-07-08, 06:09 PM
To everyone supporting Peter Grant at 10: I respectfully disagree, and please pass whatever you&#39;re smoking over here. The hangover could use it. I hate saying this as a WP/Stormers fan, but we have better goal kickers, leaders, and distributors to choose from than him.

However, I like the idea of a DeVilliers-Steyn midfield pairing. Let&#39;s try this:

15 Conrad Jantjes (as long as Steyn is kicking)
14 JP Pietersen
13 Francois Steyn (until he can prove he&#39;s a reliable 10/15)
12 Jean De Villiers (he&#39;s too good of a distributor to move to 13.. for now..)
11 Bryan Habana
10 Butch James
9 Ruan Pienaar (Januarie was very shaky against NZ save for that try)
8 Pierre Spies
7 Juan Smith
6 Schalk Burger
5 Victor Matfield
4 Bakkies Botha
3 CJ Van der Linde
2 John Smit
1 Guthro Steenkamp

22 Ndungane (Why is Monty in the squad? The World Cup is over! We have to focus on YOUTH!)
21 Jacobs
20 Januarie/Conradie
19 Kankowski
18 Watson
17 Bekker
16 Brits

Gavin
13-07-08, 09:18 PM
Guthro Steenkamp
Bismarck du Plessis
Jannie du Plessis / Tendai Mtawarira
Bakkies Botha / Andries Bekker
Victor Matfield
Ryan Kankowski
Schalk Burger
Pierre Spies
Enrico Januarie
Peter Grant
Bryan Habana
Jean de Villiers
Jacque Fourie
Tonderai Chavhanaga
Conrad Jantjes

savundra92
14-07-08, 12:16 PM
1. Tendai Mtawarira
2. John Smit
3. CJ vd Linde
4. Andreis Bekker
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Juan Smith
8. Joe Van Niekerk or Spies or Kankowski

9. Fourie du Preez or "Ricky" Januarie
10. Francois Steyn
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Jacques Fourie or Adrian Jacobs
14. Tonderai Chavhanga (quicker than Habana)
15. Conrad Jantjes

sirmorne
21-07-08, 09:41 PM
1. H vd Merwe
2. Schalk Brits
3. CJ vd Linde
4. Bakkies Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Pierre Spies
8. J van Niekerk

9. Januarie
10. Andre Pretorius
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Jacques Fourie
14. Luidik
15. P Montcomery


16. Bizmark Du Plessis
17. BJ Botha
18. Juan Smith
19. Cobamba Floors
20. Fourie de Pree
21. Jaco Pretorius
22. Peter Grant

Steve-o
21-07-08, 11:53 PM
1. H vd Merwe
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You and me are on the same wave length with this one. With BJ Botha and CJ vd Linde going to Ireland this year I think we&#39;ll see him in a Springbok jersey during the end of year tour or next year.

Jer1cho
22-07-08, 06:27 AM
16. Bizmark Du Plessis
17. BJ Botha
18. Juan Smith
19. Cobamba Floors
20. Fourie de Pree
21. Jaco Pretorius
22. Peter Grant
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:blink:

Instead of Ryan Kankowski? :wall:

Bull
22-07-08, 06:34 AM
1. H vd Merwe
2. Schalk Brits
3. CJ vd Linde
4. Bakkies Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Pierre Spies
8. J van Niekerk

9. Januarie
10. Andre Pretorius
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Jacques Fourie
14. Luidik
15. P Montcomery


16. Bizmark Du Plessis
17. BJ Botha
18. Juan Smith
19. Cobamba Floors
20. Fourie de Pree
21. Jaco Pretorius
22. Peter Grant [/b]

A bit biased towards Lions players heh?

Gavin
22-07-08, 08:52 PM
1. H vd Merwe
2. Schalk Brits
3. CJ vd Linde
4. Bakkies Botha
5. Victor Matfield
6. Schalk Burger
7. Pierre Spies
8. J van Niekerk

9. Januarie
10. Andre Pretorius
11. Bryan Habana
12. Jean De Villiers
13. Jacques Fourie
14. Luidik
15. P Montcomery


16. Bizmark Du Plessis
17. BJ Botha
18. Juan Smith
19. Cobamba Floors
20. Fourie de Pree
21. Jaco Pretorius
22. Peter Grant [/b]

Pretorius :blink:

Jer1cho
23-07-08, 06:02 AM
Pretorius [/b]

And he said Louis Ludik... Who was my room-mate 2 years ago... I remember he got whacked so bad by Werner Greef in a Currie Cup match, i gave him **** forever... But yeah, nowhere near good enough to be a Bok.

jaco
05-08-08, 10:09 AM
PLZ! People give your meaning on W.Olivier&#39;s form in the CC

Steve-o
05-08-08, 10:24 AM
He&#39;s been superb this season so far, really impressed

Jer1cho
05-08-08, 10:46 AM
Because we have no way of playing Ryan Kankowski and Spies in the starting XV because of Burger, Juan Smith, Watson etc filling 6 and 7, Do you think one of them could ever work as a lock? Andries Bekker will take over from Matfield, but who will take over from Bakkies? Think of it as a Danie Rossouw kind of move.

Steve-o
05-08-08, 11:32 AM
Huh? Are we talking about the same Meisiekind here?

Jer1cho
05-08-08, 02:17 PM
Huh? Are we talking about the same Meisiekind here?
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:lol: