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OhioSensei
22-07-08, 05:26 AM
Hello Teachers! :)

I am new to the forum so please can all you ruffy tuffy guys be gentle with me.

I am a Japanese exchange student and I became interested in rugby after attending the world cup qualifiers on a visit to Hong Kong. :girl_drink1:

Anyhows I have a question and I am sorry if this is in the wrong sub-forum.

Can someone please explain to me the etymology of ‘Hooker’.

Thanking you all in advance.

:heart:

KZNSharksFan
22-07-08, 05:44 AM
Well the word "hooker" simply refers to the player who stands in the middle of the front row of the scrum with the number 2 on his back. It came about because the no.2 "hooks" the ball with his foot as it is inserted into the scrum.

InsaneAsylum
22-07-08, 06:26 AM
do not go to the red light district and ask this same question... you may encounter a pleasant surprise. with extra happy ending :)

Pieter Botha
22-07-08, 07:10 AM
Give my regawds to the hookers!

THE DUTCH HOOKERS!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Bent/safari/nuts.jpg

OhioSensei
22-07-08, 07:21 AM
Well the word "hooker" simply refers to the player who stands in the middle of the front row of the scrum with the number 2 on his back. It came about because the no.2 "hooks" the ball with his foot as it is inserted into the scrum.
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Thank you for this very kind and knowlegeable reply.

However I am a tad confused as to how and why the #2 'hooks' the ball... as a hook is like a curved spike... Captain Hook wore in the movie...

Was rugby a game played by pirates?



do not go to the red light district and ask this same question... you may encounter a pleasant surprise. with extra happy ending :)
[/b]


Apologies as I am not so understanding of rugby terms... Is the red-light district a term for the sin-bin where you go if you get a red card and if so what is the pleasant surprise and happy ending?

I am confused, again?

Thank you for your reply and awaiting clarification.






Give my regawds to the hookers!

THE DUTCH HOOKERS!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Bent/safari/nuts.jpg
[/b]


Do the Dutch play mixed rugby?

I have never been to a rugby match in Holland. It looks interesting.

Thank you for your reply.

Bullitt
22-07-08, 07:22 AM
Oh, teh lulz!

What he means is the ball is "hooked back" with the back of the foot, the bend of the players leg during the act forming a hook.

Anyway, i found this which you should find helpful;


he hooker is very important as one of the most significant skilled positions on the team.

A good hooker must have the technique skill and physical capability to perform several tasks.

1. Strike: Ability to win ball on his own team's put-in and, if required against the head (against the opposition hooker). In the old days, a hooker generally hooked his foot around to the ball in order to hit the ball with the instep to force it back between the loosehead prop's feet to about the locks knees.

With practiced timing, many hookers are now taught to strike (essentially a snap kick) with the foot to where the ball will land. The heel strikes the ground and the front of the foot is pivoted back to direct the ball to the rear of the scrum. This requires flexibility.

If you know a wrestler (assuming you do not already know the technique), have him teach you how to do the wrestling move- “the sit out” (both long and short). This will help train the movement of the torso with the upper body supported and the hips rotating.

2. Lineout throw: Ability to throw in accurately and quickly at the line-out with timed throws- rising and flat to the front and slower timed lobs to the middle and back of a long line-out, with the additional ability to throw quick timed throws to jumpers and gaps in a short line-out (Good coordination between eye and hand and foot movements).

With lineouts being the most common form of restart, it is important that the hooker can make powerful accurate passes. A way to train this is to make a mark around thirteen feet above the ground on a wall, or even the goal posts. Adjust this to match the height of the hands of the ball receiver in the lineout. From the wall, mark locations for about six meters, eight meters, and ten meters. Stand at these locations and practice your throw in to the target.

Use different techniques that are comfortable to you. American men tend to be comfortable with the football pass. American women tend to be more comfortable with the underhanded softball type throw. Football centers and soccer players tend to use a two handed twisting throw. Find what works for you.

There is a lot of pressure being a hooker at a line out. Gave yourself a routine (little dance if you will). Use this routine every time you come up to the lineout. It may be as simple as standing at the line of touch with feet together, wiping off your hand on the front of your jersey, and taking a deep breath. Having a routine will calm you down.

3. Scrummaging ability: Be a third prop. Once the strike is complete, an effective hooker becomes part of the push. This requires strength endurance (sustain or repeat muscular effort against high resistance) and power (effective combination of strength <greatest force exerted by an athlete> and speed <ability to move the body as quickly as possible>).

4. BE A FOURTH LOOSE FORWARD- In the loose play, the hooker generally acts like a loose forward by being mobile and making it to the breakdowns. This requires both aerobic and anaerobic alactic capacity (ability to sustain high burst of energy for ten seconds or less)

A simple way to train for the position of hooker is to use a door jamb or any solid vertical surface with an edge. Remember that when the front rows come together, their shoulders are rarely above 38-42 inches. Mark this height on the door jamb. Now on the ground mark a location about 30 inches to each side of the pushing surface. This will be about the position your scrum half will initially put the ball in. Get into a pushing position (wusses like me use a pillow between the surface and the shoulders). Practice your strike. It is important to remember that you get lower by bending at the knees and planting the supporting (non-striking) foot further back. If you have a scrum machine available, use it also to get the feel of pressure on both shoulders.

A review of the essential skills of a hooker:

Essential skills:

1. In the scrum:
-To bind tightly and quickly with props. Weight training and exercises to develop neck, shoulders, arms, back and leg muscles are necessary
-To position head, body, and legs in correct position, head forced up, hips below the shoulders, eyes on the ball
-To time the strike with feed of ball
-To move ball through appropriate channels

2. Line-out:
-To throw the ball various distances with accuracy
-To position body, head and arms for throw so the ball is visible to the forwards. Ball should be visible to the forwards
-To communicate with forward jumpers, to discuss type of throw, height speed, trajectory of ball

3. Contact: The majority of energy is expended in contact situations and tight-play
-To scrummage correctly
-To maul and ruck
-To support at front of line-outs and general play
-To tackle in close situations
-To be able to fall on ball going forwards and backwards and to regain feet quickly

4. Handling:
-To give and take a short lifted pass
-To manipulate, rip out and roll off a maul
-To pick up LINEOUT deflections and charged down drop outs

Final thoughts:

1. In the scrum, lineout, and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body, feet, and head position.

2. In the scrum, line-out and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body mechanics, i.e. binding, grip, locking, snap shove, drives, channeling ball, foot pressure, angles etc.

3. Develop lineout skills- i.e. timing of the jump, body position for jump, jumping aggressively; need for close communication between thrower and jumper. Knowledge of different throws and the ability to work with a short lineout where timing and body movements become critical is necessary.

4. Ability to develop the skills required in the second and third row of rucks and mauls is essential (body position and mechanics, the drive, ball channels, tight binds etc.)

5. Primary reasons to exist are to win clean ball and to add strength and power to the set play.

6. Fitness, strength, and stamina are essential. Training is critical to developing them.

7. Always be around the ball and GO FORWARD-pressure the opposition.[/b]

Gay-Guy
22-07-08, 07:24 AM
Haha!!!



Whatever Ohio...whatever lol!

OhioSensei
22-07-08, 07:30 AM
Haha!!!



Whatever Ohio...whatever lol!
[/b]


I am not too sure what is funny. :mellow:

Excuse me whilst I read the kind previous posters explanation.

nam97
22-07-08, 07:53 AM
http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/awesome_thread.jpg

BLR
22-07-08, 08:02 AM
Surely that second post from the opening poster is a wind up?

Gay-Guy
22-07-08, 09:19 AM
Surely that second post from the opening poster is a wind up? [/b]

Yep...it was a dead giveaway! :lol:


And W-Cullen...come on this pic was perhaps going just abit too far hahahaaaaa!
http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/awesome_thread.jpg

C A Iversen
22-07-08, 11:37 AM
Wow, what a trio of sexual conquistadors we have here!

http://joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/FR/awesome_thread.jpg

Well, at least at bed-time I&#39;ll now know what faces I need to pull before the winning post to get the wife screaming satisfactorily.

OhioSensei
22-07-08, 05:58 PM
Oh, teh lulz!

What he means is the ball is "hooked back" with the back of the foot, the bend of the players leg during the act forming a hook.

Anyway, i found this which you should find helpful;


he hooker is very important as one of the most significant skilled positions on the team.

A good hooker must have the technique skill and physical capability to perform several tasks.

1. Strike: Ability to win ball on his own team&#39;s put-in and, if required against the head (against the opposition hooker). In the old days, a hooker generally hooked his foot around to the ball in order to hit the ball with the instep to force it back between the loosehead prop&#39;s feet to about the locks knees.

With practiced timing, many hookers are now taught to strike (essentially a snap kick) with the foot to where the ball will land. The heel strikes the ground and the front of the foot is pivoted back to direct the ball to the rear of the scrum. This requires flexibility.

If you know a wrestler (assuming you do not already know the technique), have him teach you how to do the wrestling move- “the sit out” (both long and short). This will help train the movement of the torso with the upper body supported and the hips rotating.

2. Lineout throw: Ability to throw in accurately and quickly at the line-out with timed throws- rising and flat to the front and slower timed lobs to the middle and back of a long line-out, with the additional ability to throw quick timed throws to jumpers and gaps in a short line-out (Good coordination between eye and hand and foot movements).

With lineouts being the most common form of restart, it is important that the hooker can make powerful accurate passes. A way to train this is to make a mark around thirteen feet above the ground on a wall, or even the goal posts. Adjust this to match the height of the hands of the ball receiver in the lineout. From the wall, mark locations for about six meters, eight meters, and ten meters. Stand at these locations and practice your throw in to the target.

Use different techniques that are comfortable to you. American men tend to be comfortable with the football pass. American women tend to be more comfortable with the underhanded softball type throw. Football centers and soccer players tend to use a two handed twisting throw. Find what works for you.

There is a lot of pressure being a hooker at a line out. Gave yourself a routine (little dance if you will). Use this routine every time you come up to the lineout. It may be as simple as standing at the line of touch with feet together, wiping off your hand on the front of your jersey, and taking a deep breath. Having a routine will calm you down.

3. Scrummaging ability: Be a third prop. Once the strike is complete, an effective hooker becomes part of the push. This requires strength endurance (sustain or repeat muscular effort against high resistance) and power (effective combination of strength <greatest force exerted by an athlete> and speed <ability to move the body as quickly as possible>).

4. BE A FOURTH LOOSE FORWARD- In the loose play, the hooker generally acts like a loose forward by being mobile and making it to the breakdowns. This requires both aerobic and anaerobic alactic capacity (ability to sustain high burst of energy for ten seconds or less)

A simple way to train for the position of hooker is to use a door jamb or any solid vertical surface with an edge. Remember that when the front rows come together, their shoulders are rarely above 38-42 inches. Mark this height on the door jamb. Now on the ground mark a location about 30 inches to each side of the pushing surface. This will be about the position your scrum half will initially put the ball in. Get into a pushing position (wusses like me use a pillow between the surface and the shoulders). Practice your strike. It is important to remember that you get lower by bending at the knees and planting the supporting (non-striking) foot further back. If you have a scrum machine available, use it also to get the feel of pressure on both shoulders.

A review of the essential skills of a hooker:

Essential skills:

1. In the scrum:
-To bind tightly and quickly with props. Weight training and exercises to develop neck, shoulders, arms, back and leg muscles are necessary
-To position head, body, and legs in correct position, head forced up, hips below the shoulders, eyes on the ball
-To time the strike with feed of ball
-To move ball through appropriate channels

2. Line-out:
-To throw the ball various distances with accuracy
-To position body, head and arms for throw so the ball is visible to the forwards. Ball should be visible to the forwards
-To communicate with forward jumpers, to discuss type of throw, height speed, trajectory of ball

3. Contact: The majority of energy is expended in contact situations and tight-play
-To scrummage correctly
-To maul and ruck
-To support at front of line-outs and general play
-To tackle in close situations
-To be able to fall on ball going forwards and backwards and to regain feet quickly

4. Handling:
-To give and take a short lifted pass
-To manipulate, rip out and roll off a maul
-To pick up LINEOUT deflections and charged down drop outs

Final thoughts:

1. In the scrum, lineout, and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body, feet, and head position.

2. In the scrum, line-out and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body mechanics, i.e. binding, grip, locking, snap shove, drives, channeling ball, foot pressure, angles etc.

3. Develop lineout skills- i.e. timing of the jump, body position for jump, jumping aggressively; need for close communication between thrower and jumper. Knowledge of different throws and the ability to work with a short lineout where timing and body movements become critical is necessary.

4. Ability to develop the skills required in the second and third row of rucks and mauls is essential (body position and mechanics, the drive, ball channels, tight binds etc.)

5. Primary reasons to exist are to win clean ball and to add strength and power to the set play.

6. Fitness, strength, and stamina are essential. Training is critical to developing them.

7. Always be around the ball and GO FORWARD-pressure the opposition.[/b]
[/b]



OK and thank you very much for this... I do actually follow rugby so I know what the hooker does it is just I cannot really understand why the term &#39;hooker&#39; and to all you distractors following I did qualify my enquiry as I was concerned with the etymology of the name... that means how and why the hooker is called a hooker.

I now understand it is because he hooks the ball with his feet akin to an arch... but that would then make me think why would it not be termed archer?...

Hmmm...

tyrannosaurus
22-07-08, 08:14 PM
<div class='quotemain'>
Oh, teh lulz!

What he means is the ball is "hooked back" with the back of the foot, the bend of the players leg during the act forming a hook.

Anyway, i found this which you should find helpful;


he hooker is very important as one of the most significant skilled positions on the team.

A good hooker must have the technique skill and physical capability to perform several tasks.

1. Strike: Ability to win ball on his own team&#39;s put-in and, if required against the head (against the opposition hooker). In the old days, a hooker generally hooked his foot around to the ball in order to hit the ball with the instep to force it back between the loosehead prop&#39;s feet to about the locks knees.

With practiced timing, many hookers are now taught to strike (essentially a snap kick) with the foot to where the ball will land. The heel strikes the ground and the front of the foot is pivoted back to direct the ball to the rear of the scrum. This requires flexibility.

If you know a wrestler (assuming you do not already know the technique), have him teach you how to do the wrestling move- “the sit out” (both long and short). This will help train the movement of the torso with the upper body supported and the hips rotating.

2. Lineout throw: Ability to throw in accurately and quickly at the line-out with timed throws- rising and flat to the front and slower timed lobs to the middle and back of a long line-out, with the additional ability to throw quick timed throws to jumpers and gaps in a short line-out (Good coordination between eye and hand and foot movements).

With lineouts being the most common form of restart, it is important that the hooker can make powerful accurate passes. A way to train this is to make a mark around thirteen feet above the ground on a wall, or even the goal posts. Adjust this to match the height of the hands of the ball receiver in the lineout. From the wall, mark locations for about six meters, eight meters, and ten meters. Stand at these locations and practice your throw in to the target.

Use different techniques that are comfortable to you. American men tend to be comfortable with the football pass. American women tend to be more comfortable with the underhanded softball type throw. Football centers and soccer players tend to use a two handed twisting throw. Find what works for you.

There is a lot of pressure being a hooker at a line out. Gave yourself a routine (little dance if you will). Use this routine every time you come up to the lineout. It may be as simple as standing at the line of touch with feet together, wiping off your hand on the front of your jersey, and taking a deep breath. Having a routine will calm you down.

3. Scrummaging ability: Be a third prop. Once the strike is complete, an effective hooker becomes part of the push. This requires strength endurance (sustain or repeat muscular effort against high resistance) and power (effective combination of strength <greatest force exerted by an athlete> and speed <ability to move the body as quickly as possible>).

4. BE A FOURTH LOOSE FORWARD- In the loose play, the hooker generally acts like a loose forward by being mobile and making it to the breakdowns. This requires both aerobic and anaerobic alactic capacity (ability to sustain high burst of energy for ten seconds or less)

A simple way to train for the position of hooker is to use a door jamb or any solid vertical surface with an edge. Remember that when the front rows come together, their shoulders are rarely above 38-42 inches. Mark this height on the door jamb. Now on the ground mark a location about 30 inches to each side of the pushing surface. This will be about the position your scrum half will initially put the ball in. Get into a pushing position (wusses like me use a pillow between the surface and the shoulders). Practice your strike. It is important to remember that you get lower by bending at the knees and planting the supporting (non-striking) foot further back. If you have a scrum machine available, use it also to get the feel of pressure on both shoulders.

A review of the essential skills of a hooker:

Essential skills:

1. In the scrum:
-To bind tightly and quickly with props. Weight training and exercises to develop neck, shoulders, arms, back and leg muscles are necessary
-To position head, body, and legs in correct position, head forced up, hips below the shoulders, eyes on the ball
-To time the strike with feed of ball
-To move ball through appropriate channels

2. Line-out:
-To throw the ball various distances with accuracy
-To position body, head and arms for throw so the ball is visible to the forwards. Ball should be visible to the forwards
-To communicate with forward jumpers, to discuss type of throw, height speed, trajectory of ball

3. Contact: The majority of energy is expended in contact situations and tight-play
-To scrummage correctly
-To maul and ruck
-To support at front of line-outs and general play
-To tackle in close situations
-To be able to fall on ball going forwards and backwards and to regain feet quickly

4. Handling:
-To give and take a short lifted pass
-To manipulate, rip out and roll off a maul
-To pick up LINEOUT deflections and charged down drop outs

Final thoughts:

1. In the scrum, lineout, and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body, feet, and head position.

2. In the scrum, line-out and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body mechanics, i.e. binding, grip, locking, snap shove, drives, channeling ball, foot pressure, angles etc.

3. Develop lineout skills- i.e. timing of the jump, body position for jump, jumping aggressively; need for close communication between thrower and jumper. Knowledge of different throws and the ability to work with a short lineout where timing and body movements become critical is necessary.

4. Ability to develop the skills required in the second and third row of rucks and mauls is essential (body position and mechanics, the drive, ball channels, tight binds etc.)

5. Primary reasons to exist are to win clean ball and to add strength and power to the set play.

6. Fitness, strength, and stamina are essential. Training is critical to developing them.

7. Always be around the ball and GO FORWARD-pressure the opposition.[/b]
[/b]



OK and thank you very much for this... I do actually follow rugby so I know what the hooker does it is just I cannot really understand why the term &#39;hooker&#39; and to all you distractors following I did qualify my enquiry as I was concerned with the etymology of the name... that means how and why the hooker is called a hooker.

I now understand it is because he hooks the ball with his feet akin to an arch... but that would then make me think why would it not be termed archer?...

Hmmm...
[/b][/quote]

Boooo....
Rugby isn&#39;t the Game of the thinkers! Rugby is the game of the workers!
You have to love action!

Now get on the pitch :bana:

TyphoonsRugby
23-07-08, 03:43 AM
OK and thank you very much for this... I do actually follow rugby so I know what the hooker does it is just I cannot really understand why the term &#39;hooker&#39; and to all you distractors following I did qualify my enquiry as I was concerned with the etymology of the name... that means how and why the hooker is called a hooker.

I now understand it is because he hooks the ball with his feet akin to an arch... but that would then make me think why would it not be termed archer?...

Hmmm...
[/b]
Archer? geez they&#39;re not called hookers because they make their leg into a hook shape or an arch.....they&#39;re called hookers because they hook for the ball when it is fed into a scrum. They can also be called rakes (no, not because they make a rake shape...) and theres a heap of other names that can be applied to the No.2 position. Sometimes its better to just go with what its been called for 100&#39;s of years instead of question why its called that and not something else.

OhioSensei
23-07-08, 04:09 AM
Boooo....
Rugby isn&#39;t the Game of the thinkers! Rugby is the game of the workers!
You have to love action!

Now get on the pitch :bana:
[/b]


I have to beg to differ that rugby is a tactical game and thus requires some thinking... especially considering that it evolved from a school rather than the workplace...

You should stick to soccer... IHOMO.














Archer? geez they&#39;re not called hookers because they make their leg into a hook shape or an arch.....they&#39;re called hookers because they hook for the ball when it is fed into a scrum. They can also be called rakes (no, not because they make a rake shape...) and theres a heap of other names that can be applied to the No.2 position. Sometimes its better to just go with what its been called for 100&#39;s of years instead of question why its called that and not something else.
[/b]


Nothing wrong in asking questions... especially considering the usage of the actual term.

for example: If I called you gay many years ago it would have been a term of endearment being happy and fluffy... If I called you gay now you may or may not take offense. Same with calling someone a hooker. IHOMO.

C A Iversen
23-07-08, 04:19 AM
<div class='quotemain'>
Oh, teh lulz!

What he means is the ball is "hooked back" with the back of the foot, the bend of the players leg during the act forming a hook.

Anyway, i found this which you should find helpful;


he hooker is very important as one of the most significant skilled positions on the team.

A good hooker must have the technique skill and physical capability to perform several tasks.

1. Strike: Ability to win ball on his own team&#39;s put-in and, if required against the head (against the opposition hooker). In the old days, a hooker generally hooked his foot around to the ball in order to hit the ball with the instep to force it back between the loosehead prop&#39;s feet to about the locks knees.

With practiced timing, many hookers are now taught to strike (essentially a snap kick) with the foot to where the ball will land. The heel strikes the ground and the front of the foot is pivoted back to direct the ball to the rear of the scrum. This requires flexibility.

If you know a wrestler (assuming you do not already know the technique), have him teach you how to do the wrestling move- "the sit out" (both long and short). This will help train the movement of the torso with the upper body supported and the hips rotating.

2. Lineout throw: Ability to throw in accurately and quickly at the line-out with timed throws- rising and flat to the front and slower timed lobs to the middle and back of a long line-out, with the additional ability to throw quick timed throws to jumpers and gaps in a short line-out (Good coordination between eye and hand and foot movements).

With lineouts being the most common form of restart, it is important that the hooker can make powerful accurate passes. A way to train this is to make a mark around thirteen feet above the ground on a wall, or even the goal posts. Adjust this to match the height of the hands of the ball receiver in the lineout. From the wall, mark locations for about six meters, eight meters, and ten meters. Stand at these locations and practice your throw in to the target.

Use different techniques that are comfortable to you. American men tend to be comfortable with the football pass. American women tend to be more comfortable with the underhanded softball type throw. Football centers and soccer players tend to use a two handed twisting throw. Find what works for you.

There is a lot of pressure being a hooker at a line out. Gave yourself a routine (little dance if you will). Use this routine every time you come up to the lineout. It may be as simple as standing at the line of touch with feet together, wiping off your hand on the front of your jersey, and taking a deep breath. Having a routine will calm you down.

3. Scrummaging ability: Be a third prop. Once the strike is complete, an effective hooker becomes part of the push. This requires strength endurance (sustain or repeat muscular effort against high resistance) and power (effective combination of strength <greatest force exerted by an athlete> and speed <ability to move the body as quickly as possible>).

4. BE A FOURTH LOOSE FORWARD- In the loose play, the hooker generally acts like a loose forward by being mobile and making it to the breakdowns. This requires both aerobic and anaerobic alactic capacity (ability to sustain high burst of energy for ten seconds or less)

A simple way to train for the position of hooker is to use a door jamb or any solid vertical surface with an edge. Remember that when the front rows come together, their shoulders are rarely above 38-42 inches. Mark this height on the door jamb. Now on the ground mark a location about 30 inches to each side of the pushing surface. This will be about the position your scrum half will initially put the ball in. Get into a pushing position (wusses like me use a pillow between the surface and the shoulders). Practice your strike. It is important to remember that you get lower by bending at the knees and planting the supporting (non-striking) foot further back. If you have a scrum machine available, use it also to get the feel of pressure on both shoulders.

A review of the essential skills of a hooker:

Essential skills:

1. In the scrum:
-To bind tightly and quickly with props. Weight training and exercises to develop neck, shoulders, arms, back and leg muscles are necessary
-To position head, body, and legs in correct position, head forced up, hips below the shoulders, eyes on the ball
-To time the strike with feed of ball
-To move ball through appropriate channels

2. Line-out:
-To throw the ball various distances with accuracy
-To position body, head and arms for throw so the ball is visible to the forwards. Ball should be visible to the forwards
-To communicate with forward jumpers, to discuss type of throw, height speed, trajectory of ball

3. Contact: The majority of energy is expended in contact situations and tight-play
-To scrummage correctly
-To maul and ruck
-To support at front of line-outs and general play
-To tackle in close situations
-To be able to fall on ball going forwards and backwards and to regain feet quickly

4. Handling:
-To give and take a short lifted pass
-To manipulate, rip out and roll off a maul
-To pick up LINEOUT deflections and charged down drop outs

Final thoughts:

1. In the scrum, lineout, and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body, feet, and head position.

2. In the scrum, line-out and loose play, the hooker must understand the importance of correct body mechanics, i.e. binding, grip, locking, snap shove, drives, channeling ball, foot pressure, angles etc.

3. Develop lineout skills- i.e. timing of the jump, body position for jump, jumping aggressively; need for close communication between thrower and jumper. Knowledge of different throws and the ability to work with a short lineout where timing and body movements become critical is necessary.

4. Ability to develop the skills required in the second and third row of rucks and mauls is essential (body position and mechanics, the drive, ball channels, tight binds etc.)

5. Primary reasons to exist are to win clean ball and to add strength and power to the set play.

6. Fitness, strength, and stamina are essential. Training is critical to developing them.

7. Always be around the ball and GO FORWARD-pressure the opposition.[/b]
[/b]



OK and thank you very much for this... I do actually follow rugby so I know what the hooker does it is just I cannot really understand why the term &#39;hooker&#39; and to all you distractors following I did qualify my enquiry as I was concerned with the etymology of the name... that means how and why the hooker is called a hooker.

I now understand it is because he hooks the ball with his feet akin to an arch... but that would then make me think why would it not be termed archer?...

Hmmm...


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I can imagine that if it had been referred to as arching for the ball when this all started, it would&#39;ve caused confusion with another sport, called &#39;archery&#39;.

Also, due to the hookers foot being lifted off the ground, moving up and as far forward as it can to snare the ball, it is more akin to trying to hook a fish, than arching anything. Then the ball is then trapped (if successful) and the leg is hooked backwards, somewhat bent at the knee, to propel the ball to the back of the scrum for the number 8 or halfback. The whole process is very accurately described as hooking the ball.

I hope that makes things as plain as anyone will ever need.

OhioSensei
24-07-08, 02:03 PM
I can imagine that if it had been referred to as arching for the ball when this all started, it would&#39;ve caused confusion with another sport, called &#39;archery&#39;.

Also, due to the hookers foot being lifted off the ground, moving up and as far forward as it can to snare the ball, it is more akin to trying to hook a fish, than arching anything. Then the ball is then trapped (if successful) and the leg is hooked backwards, somewhat bent at the knee, to propel the ball to the back of the scrum for the number 8 or halfback. The whole process is very accurately described as hooking the ball.

I hope that makes things as plain as anyone will ever need.[/b]


Thank you for the explanation... now that was not so difficult was it?... you could have said that in your first post rather than making fun of handicapped people. But if that is what you think is funny then go ahead and laugh at people who were born special and are trying to make the most of their life...

I hope you feel better for your cheap laugh. Do you feel like a big rugged man now?...

Sir Speedy
24-07-08, 02:28 PM
Thank you for the explanation... now that was not so difficult was it?... you could have said that in your first post rather than making fun of handicapped people. But if that is what you think is funny then go ahead and laugh at people who were born special and are trying to make the most of their life...

I hope you feel better for your cheap laugh. Do you feel like a big rugged man now?...
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Joke...topic?

OhioSensei
24-07-08, 04:03 PM
Joke...topic?[/b]


Topic is etymology of rugby terms... please keep with the program. And feel free to contribute something if you can. BTW etymology means how and why and where words/term came about/into usage.

Jokes on this forum seems to be making fun of handicapped people... maybe some of you posters should watch the para-olympics and laugh.

Hmmm...

Sir Speedy
24-07-08, 04:21 PM
<div class='quotemain'>Joke...topic?[/b]


Topic is etymology of rugby terms... please keep with the program. And feel free to contribute something if you can. BTW etymology means how and why and where words/term came about/into usage.

Jokes on this forum seems to be making fun of handicapped people... maybe some of you posters should watch the para-olympics and laugh.

Hmmm...
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So I was right then. What&#39;s left to contribute? Your question has been answered already.

OhioSensei
24-07-08, 04:42 PM
So I was right then. What&#39;s left to contribute? Your question has been answered already.[/b]


Excuse me mrSpeedy... as this is my thread I think I should be allowed to decide when the question has been answered... as I stated before we are attempting a discussion here on the etymology of terms here... and as this helpful poster noted...



They can also be called rakes (no, not because they make a rake shape...) and theres a heap of other names that can be applied to the No.2 position. [/b]


So if there are also a heap of other names that can be applied to the #2 position then let us discuss why hooker is appropriate especially considering the other usage of the word. I stated that they could have been called archer but another poster pointed out that archery came about before rugby so that would have been confusing. Now we know that a #2 could have been a rake...

Or is this just a Q&A forum where only making fun of handicapped people, or dismissing girls who do not know but wish to know something about the sport is allowed?

Hmmmp...




If you have nothing to contribute then please do not.

Sir Speedy
24-07-08, 04:58 PM
<div class='quotemain'>So I was right then. What&#39;s left to contribute? Your question has been answered already.[/b]


Excuse me mrSpeedy... as this is my thread I think I should be allowed to decide when the question has been answered... as I stated before we are attempting a discussion here on the etymology of terms here... and as this helpful poster noted...

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Sorry, when you said what you did about handicapped people I assumed you were referring to yourself in a loose way; which is why I called bullshit on the topic. My mistake, carry on. :3

OhioSensei
24-07-08, 05:23 PM
Sorry, when you said what you did about handicapped people I assumed you were referring to yourself in a loose way; which is why I called bullshit on the topic. My mistake, carry on. :3[/b]


Would you please explain yourself Sir...

As it was obvious I was referring to the unnecessary and cruel pictorial responses to my thread.

So are you saying that you think I am handicapped?... and thus my thread is dismissed as a joke or to quote you &#39;bullshit&#39;?

and also that you think it is OK to make a joke out out people who were born with Downs Syndrome?


Yes I do think you are mistaken and also I think you are a very sad individual.

But no doubt you will carry on... as I said have fun laughing at the para olympics...

Sir Speedy
24-07-08, 05:33 PM
<div class='quotemain'>Sorry, when you said what you did about handicapped people I assumed you were referring to yourself in a loose way; which is why I called bullshit on the topic. My mistake, carry on. :3[/b]


Would you please explain yourself Sir...

As it was obvious I was referring to the unnecessary and cruel pictorial responses to my thread.

So are you saying that you think I am handicapped?... and thus my thread is dismissed as a joke or to quote you &#39;bullshit&#39;?

and also that you think it is OK to make a joke out out people who were born with Downs Syndrome?


Yes I do think you are mistaken and also I think you are a very sad individual.

But no doubt you will carry on... as I said have fun laughing at the para olympics...
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I didn&#39;t notice the picture until after I read your last response. When you said "do you get kicks out of making fun of handicapped people", I assumed you meant yourself in a loose way due to the fact I&#39;d missed the picture and because you had problems in understanding what people were saying when it was blatantly obvious some were kidding. Which is why I thought you made the topic as a joke, but I won&#39;t delve further into that.
As for me making fun out of people born with Down Syndrome, I think you can shut up on that account, as a family member of mine was handicapped, and I will soon have a job which includes caring for people with learning disabilities and Down Syndrome. Don&#39;t assume things, please as it&#39;s rather tedious watching your remarks backfire - I haven&#39;t made fun of a handicapped person in my life.
I admitted to being mistaken in my last post, so there was no need to point that. And as for being a sad individual, maybe, but not for the reasons that you have listed.
/rant.

Laetca
24-07-08, 05:38 PM
Ohio, just because you make a topic here, doesn&#39;t mean you get to dictate every single person who posts here. That&#39;s not how it works.

The image posted was just a joke, yes, this is not in the off topic section, but humour has a sneaky way of appearing in every day life.
I&#39;m pretty sure no one intended to say anything bad about handicapped people. Usually this is implied when using something as a joke, to give a brief example, I heard dozens of dead baby jokes, and none of the jokers telling them would laugh at a real dead baby.

Closing this topic. I suggest you take most things you read on the internet with a grain of salt, and I hope you&#39;ll accept that people don&#39;t take everything 100% serious all the time, since that would make life incredibly boring.

C A Iversen
24-07-08, 10:17 PM
Ohio, just because you make a topic here, doesn&#39;t mean you get to dictate every single person who posts here. That&#39;s not how it works.

The image posted was just a joke, yes, this is not in the off topic section, but humour has a sneaky way of appearing in every day life.
I&#39;m pretty sure no one intended to say anything bad about handicapped people. Usually this is implied when using something as a joke, to give a brief example, I heard dozens of dead baby jokes, and none of the jokers telling them would laugh at a real dead baby.

Closing this topic. I suggest you take most things you read on the internet with a grain of salt, and I hope you&#39;ll accept that people don&#39;t take everything 100% serious all the time, since that would make life incredibly boring. [/b]

Thanks for closing the topic Laetca. An appropriate action. I had to take the opportunity as an admin to say something about my "poor taste" post as a footnote.

It seems I offended the original poster with my "cheap laugh" as he has reported my post multiple times. I would like it known that I do not find differently-challenged people funny. I believe they are intitled to respect ,as is any human. I posted the joke that I did, not based on any persons misfortune, but based on the fact that three individuals ALL looked humourous and ridiculous in one shot.

The fact that these people were born with extra life challenges was not a factor at all. I have seen hundreds of photos where people such as this look wonderfully dignified and indistinguishable from anyone else. I laughed at the photo the same way as I would laugh at a similar photo catching any other person off-guard. I choose not to patronise and further demeen these lovely people by treating them with overtly favourable rules of engagement. Many challenged people believe that they do not want to be treated differently when it comes to humour and feel that to be not laughed at like anyone else is further discrimination.

Also, challenged people do not, generally speaking, like to be referred to as handicapped. That is no longer a term which many "challenged" people want to be referred to. In fact the only time they like "challenged" is when the subject of their difference is raised. Which is generally raised by people "defending" them.

My wife and I have a child and plan to have another. We are aware of what can happen to anyone when they are born and know a great deal more than you seem to understand about respect.

I hope this brings an end to your fruitless reporting of my post.

Do, I feel like a big rugged man now? Yes, yes I do. My wife tells me that I&#39;m doing well so far.