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munross
21-02-09, 04:05 PM
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The Bulls broke their record highest score against the Blues on Saturday beating the Auckland based team by 58 points to 26 and picking up a bonus point in the process.
The Bulls started the match at a pace rarely seen in Pretoria and after 23 minutes Pierre Spies ran in the Bulls bonus point try after tries from Habana, Potgieter and Kirchner.
The Blues took their time to get going and managed to save a little face by scoring four tries of their own to pick up a bonus point for four tries.
In all the Bulls ran in seven tries which included two from Pierre Spies.
More to follow.
Final score Bulls 59 Blues 26
Scorers
Bulls
Tries -Habana, Potgieter, Kirchner, Spies 2, du Preez, Olivier
Penalties -Morne Steyn 3
Conversions -Morne Steyn 4,Burton Francis 2
Drop Goals -Morne Steyn
Cards - Yellow (54)Deon Stegmann
Blues
Tries - Ranger,Tuitavake , Stanley, Toeava
Penalties -
Conversions -Jimmy Gopperth,Michael Hobbs
Drop Goals -
Man of the match : Bakkies Botha
Match # 13
Match -Bulls v Blues
Venue - Pretoria
Time pm -17.00
Referee - M Lawrence (SA)
Ass Ref. 1 - W Roos (SA)
Ass Ref. 2 - S Berry (SA)
TMO - S Veldsman (SA)
Performance Reviewer - G Cooper
Teams
Bulls Team:
Zane Kirchner; Akona Ndungane, Jaco Pretorius, Wynand Olivier, Bryan Habana; Morné Steyn, Fourie du Preez (captain); Pierre Spies, Dewald Potgieter, Deon Stegmann, Danie Rossouw, Bakkies Botha, Werner Kruger, Derick Kuün, Gurthrö Steenkamp.
Reserves: Chiliboy Ralepelle, Frik Kirsten, Wilhelm Steenkamp, Pedrie Wannenburg, Heini Adams, Burton Francis, JP Nel.
Blues
15 Isaia Toeava, 14 Rene Ranger, 13 Anthony Tuitavake, 12 Jamie Helleur, 11 Paul Williams, 10 Jimmy Gopperth, 9 Chris Smylie, 8 Chris Lowrey, 7 Josh Blackie, 6 Justin Collins, 5 Anthony Boric, 4 Kurtis Haiu, 3 John Afoa, 2 Keven Mealamu / Tom McCartney, 1 Tevita Mailau
16 Tom McCartney / Francis Smith, 17 Tony Woodcock, 18 Dean Budd, 19 Onosa’i Auva'a, 20 Grayson Hart, 21 Michael Hobbs, 22 Winston Stanley.[/b]
Super14.com (http://www.super14.com/news/viewarticle.asp?id=18468)
The Bulls were on fire for most of game, Habana was pretty useless in defence although he scored a nice try.Bulls scrum was solid as always and Pierre Spies showed again why he is the best no.8 in the world (after Parrise ofcourse :D ). Zane Kirchner was also very solid at the back for the Bulls
For the Blues the stand-outs were Anthony Tuitavake(was very dangerous in attack) and Rene Ranger(who shrugged off Habana like he wasn't even there :o ) and Keven Mealamu who lead very well from the front and had a blinder of a game even though he was still carrying that calf strain injury
Defences not on top then :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's some scoreline when you consider how close all the other games have been so far this campaign.
Incredible Schalk
21-02-09, 04:25 PM
Im looking forward to the Blues coming to Newlands next weekend :D
Jeez how bad must the Force be to lose at home against them :P
But congratulations to the Bulls and their fans, thats really an awesome scoreline, there's been very few 50+ scorelines in the last few years. Funnily enough i think the last one was the Bulls vs Highlanders last year? definate top 4 contenders.
Steve-o
22-02-09, 03:26 PM
Bakkies Botha must of had an absolute cracker to get MOTM in a game like this
Geez the Blues really miss their ABs. Didn't really see the point of starting Woodcock from the bench. Stormers looked vunerable against the Reds so their might be some hope for the Blues. Blues need to sort out their defense, they let in 2-3 soft tries, other tries were well constructed by the Bulls.
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Im looking forward to the Blues coming to Newlands next weekend :D
Jeez how bad must the Force be to lose at home against them :P
But congratulations to the Bulls and their fans, thats really an awesome scoreline, there's been very few 50+ scorelines in the last few years. Funnily enough i think the last one was the Bulls vs Highlanders last year? definate top 4 contenders.[/b]
Didn't they put 90 on the Reds 2 years ago? Or was that the Sharks?
Either way, Spies was a BEAST! Absolutely phenomenal performance!
Incredible Schalk
23-02-09, 12:34 AM
Yup 92-3 against the Reds in 2007. Spies was immense, ive seen the game and his two tries were some of the best you will ever see from an 8. In a way its surprising the Bulls can so often score huge amounts of points considering imo alot of the players lack the real cutting edge skill of say a Canes or Chiefs backline. Still they must be doing something right, i really cant see anything but a South African winner this year, i just have that feeling.
gingergenius
23-02-09, 01:15 AM
right i know you guys play rugby better than we do up here in the north, but seriously... that's 11 tries scored in 1 game. i don't watch S14 apart from a few tries here and there so i can't comment on the games vyt... it strikes me that you lot are doing something wrong if scires are getting that high.
C A Iversen
23-02-09, 01:19 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Feb 23 2009, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=380923')</div>
right i know you guys play rugby better than we do up here in the north, but seriously... that's 11 tries scored in 1 game. i don't watch S14 apart from a few tries here and there so i can't comment on the games vyt... it strikes me that you lot are doing something wrong if scires are getting that high.[/b]
If it's just the odd game, (like one in every 25 or so) that scores like that come along, it's not so bad. Generally we have a great balance of attacking and defensive games in the Super 14.
Jer1cho
23-02-09, 04:16 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Feb 23 2009, 05:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=380923')</div>
right i know you guys play rugby better than we do up here in the north, but seriously... that's 11 tries scored in 1 game. i don't watch S14 apart from a few tries here and there so i can't comment on the games vyt... it strikes me that you lot are doing something wrong if scires are getting that high.[/b]
ELV's we use down here...
munross
23-02-09, 04:22 AM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Feb 23 2009, 04:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=380923')</div>
right i know you guys play rugby better than we do up here in the north, but seriously... that's 11 tries scored in 1 game. i don't watch S14 apart from a few tries here and there so i can't comment on the games vyt... it strikes me that you lot are doing something wrong if scires are getting that high.[/b]
Well if you go take a look at the results of the Super14 for the past 2 weeks you'll see that all the games were won and lost by no more or less then 6 points except the 2 games of the Bulls against the Reds(13 points game) and now the Blues(33points game).
So except for the Bulls drinking too much Red-Bull <strike>and probably getting secret advice from Heyneke Meyer</strike> this Super14 looks like its going to be tight right to the end.
gingergenius
23-02-09, 12:05 PM
i'm not denying that it's tight but up here tight games are often 19-18 for example; with you its 34-33.
Jer1cho
23-02-09, 12:28 PM
I'm telling you it's the rules that make the difference. Most infringements around rucks and mauls now result in free kicks instead of penalties. So, where the teams in the NH are just kicking goals all day long, the teams here are scoring more tries because there are more opportunities to run the ball.
I must agree that the tries of Pierre were the best I've seen from any forward for a long time, the Bulls just need to focus a bit more when they are in front and defending... also the back three of the Blues were outstanding, very hard to tackle
On the subject of SH ELVs, you can keep them. I like the way the NH game is at the moment and after watching Stormers v Reds on friday (albeit this is just one game as an example), although people may say it is open, exciting and non-stop, to me it just looked like Mickey Mouse rugby. I think if these were applied up here it would be an absolute mess as NH players and teams do not have the intensity, discipline and skill overall of their southern counterparts.
I think both sets of rules are suited perfectly for where they are played. :)
Sir Speedy
23-02-09, 04:22 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Feb 23 2009, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=380991')</div>
to me it just looked like Mickey Mouse rugby.[/b]
Agreed with that (granted I haven't seen many games). The ELV's applied in the NH are fine imo; we don't want the SH ones.
Steve-o
23-02-09, 06:13 PM
Haha, mickey mouse rugby.. Are you kidding me?
Nobody will force you boys to like the brand of rugby played down here but a little respect would adequate as our so called mickey mouse rugby shat on the NH teams from a great height just a few months ago.
Using our own rules as well! Chill out Steve. You're players are better than ours, just the rules you apply in competition are shit.
Steve-o
23-02-09, 06:22 PM
I'm getting thoroughly entertained so I'm a happy S14 viewer.
Sir Speedy
23-02-09, 07:40 PM
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Steve-o @ Feb 23 2009, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=381015')</div>
Haha, mickey mouse rugby.. Are you kidding me?
Nobody will force you boys to like the brand of rugby played down here but a little respect would adequate as our so called mickey mouse rugby shat on the NH teams from a great height just a few months ago.[/b]
Aha, I have plenty of respect for your countries and players who shit on the NH at regular intervals, but none for the Super 14. ;)
I think having the winner of the S14 play the winner of the H Cup would be a good idea, given how close Munster were to embarrassing NZ last year.
ShaheenJ
24-02-09, 12:59 PM
The European clubs are only looking good coz the bulk of the teams consist of a mass exodus of South African players (that couldn't make the grade back home and/or either retired from International Rugby) and retired All Blacks and young All Blacks only going for money. Take all the southern hemisphere players out of your Heineken cup and we'll see how crap it really is :P.
Um... maybe this list will help...
FRANCE
Stade Français
Pieter de Villiers (French international), Boela du Plooy, Brian Liebenberg (French international), Frans Viljoen, Noel Ulsich
Toulouse
Daan Human, Gaffie du Toit
Cleremont Auvergne
Grant Esterhuizen
Perpignan
Gavin Hume, Gerrie Britz
Bourgoin
Rudi Coetzee, Wessel Jooste
Montauban
Braam Immelman
Castres
Danie Saayman, Gerhard Vosloo
Brive
Vickus Liebenberg, Johan van Zyl, Hendrik Gerber, Charl van Rensburg
Montpellier
Drikus Hancke, Rickus Lubbe
Bayonne
Rob Linde, Jacques Deen, Sam Gerber, Eduard Coetzee
Narbonne
Henk Eksteen, Retief Uys, Tinus van Rensburg
Agen
Willem Stoltz, Adri Badenhorst, Pietman van Niekerk, Conrad Stoltz
Toulon (Division Two)
Daniel Muller, Nicky Smit, Charl van Vliet, Nico Breedt, Norman Jordaan, Chris Rossouw
ENGLAND
Gloucester
Rudi Keil, Jake Boer
Saracens
Cobus Visagie, Neil de Kock
London Irish
Mike Catt (England international), Danie Coetzee, Faan Rautenbach
NEC Harlequins
Stuart Abbott (England international), Hal Luscombe (Wales international), Andre Vos
Bath
Pieter Dixon, Hottie Louw, Matt Stevens (England international), Michael Claassens, Butch James
Newcastle Falcons
Russell Winter
Worcester Warriors
Thinus Delport, Greg Rawlinson (New Zealand international)
Northampton Saints
Joe van Niekerk, Geoff Appleford (England international), Pat Barnard
NOTE: I know this article was dated 08, but it just gives you an idea how many foreign talent make up the European Leagues, What about Australian, New Zealand and South Sea Islanders?
We're proud of our Rugby and will always be dominant over Northern Hemisphere because we groom young talent and have an abundance thereof. That's why the National Teams simply cannot compete with us. 1 solitary victory over Australia during the entire tour last season - shocking.
Now now! Play fair please.
Charles
24-02-09, 01:22 PM
Sorry to interrupt but this is just bollox...The reason why we're flooded with saffas is because they're cheaper than french players...
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The European clubs are only looking good coz the bulk of the teams consist of a mass exodus of South African players (that couldn't make the grade back home and/or either retired from International Rugby) and retired All Blacks and young All Blacks only going for money. Take all the southern hemisphere players out of your Heineken cup and we'll see how crap it really is :P .
Um... maybe this list will help...
FRANCE
Stade Français
Pieter de Villiers (French international), Boela du Plooy, Brian Liebenberg (French international), Frans Viljoen, Noel Ulsich
Toulouse
Daan Human, Gaffie du Toit hardly plays any game
Cleremont Auvergne
Grant Esterhuizen is shit and never plays
Perpignan
Gavin Hume, Gerrie Britz are average and are not first XV
Bourgoin
Rudi Coetzee, Wessel Jooste
Montauban
Braam Immelman
Castres
Danie Saayman, Gerhard Vosloo
Brive
Vickus Liebenberg, Johan van Zyl, Hendrik Gerber, Charl van Rensburg
Montpellier
Drikus Hancke, Rickus Lubbe are shit
Bayonne
Rob Linde, Jacques Deen, Sam Gerber, Eduard Coetzee
Narbonne plays in second division
Henk Eksteen, Retief Uys, Tinus van Rensburg
Agen plays in second division
Willem Stoltz, Adri Badenhorst, Pietman van Niekerk, Conrad Stoltz
Toulon (Division Two)
Daniel Muller, Nicky Smit, Charl van Vliet, Nico Breedt, Norman Jordaan, Chris Rossouw
NOTE: I know this article was dated 08, but it just gives you an idea how many foreign talent make up the European Leagues, What about Australian, New Zealand and South Sea Islanders? It gives you an idea of the financial power of Europe compared to SA OZ NZ etc...
We're proud of our Rugby and will always be dominant over Northern Hemisphere because we groom young talent and have an abundance thereof. That's why the National Teams simply cannot compete with us. 1 solitary victory over Australia during the entire tour last season - shocking.
Do me a favour, watch old games...I suppose the french beating you and drawing in SA in 2006 (among other games) has unfortunately slipped your mind ?[/b]
You've missed the best SA player playing in france, Shawn Sowerby...
I'll do one!
Ospreys - None
Blues - None
Scarlets - None
Dragons - None
Nice one, Shaheen!!
ShaheenJ
24-02-09, 01:42 PM
oh well france beat us at home and drew, i'm not saying southern hemisphere rugby is totally invincible, BUT, since '87 only england managed to win a world cup. it's 5 - 1 at the highest level. it would be real interesting to see a world club league, just for one season, but sadly that would never happen. you'll get your dose of reality soon though when the british and irish lions come to sa...
Jer1cho
24-02-09, 01:49 PM
This thread got so badly jacked...
Anyway, regarding the laws, we have used all variations of the ELV's, and not just one. So i think our opinions count more than yours!
SH ELV's > NH ELV's
bleh
ShaheenJ
24-02-09, 01:58 PM
heh.. at the end of it all, the irb will probably revert back to the old laws. i can see it happening and just before the world cup starts in 2011... lol
Jer1cho
24-02-09, 02:04 PM
The thing that i love most is the fact that games are not won on stupid penalty kicks all the time. Because the teams now have less opportunities to get easy points, they try that much harder to score them. I remember the first Tri-Nations game of 2004 when we lost 21-23 to New Zealand. We were the better team, and scored 3 tries to 1, yet we lost because of so many bloody kicks at goal.
People are suggesting that the gap between NH and SH teams is getting larger and larger. I think the brand of rugby being played in the super 14 thanks to these new laws is the biggest contributing factor. Rugby is a game of running and passing, as well as scoring mind blowing tries from the other end of the field. If i wanted to watch guys kicking in between posts all day ending with scores under 20 points all the time, i would have been a football fan instead.
That's not to say i hate the other rules, i just prefer free-kicks to penalties. Must be a fanboy thing...
Fa'atau82
24-02-09, 10:09 PM
When i watched the Super 14 last year i really enjoyed it. It was free-flowing, there was much less pinging and players wanted to ball, and to run/attack with it.
If you look at the European leagues they tend to be more about slowing the ball down in the rucks, using the forwards and kicking for territory. We tend to like drop goals and penalties.
What i noticed in S14 is that you see all elements of the game.. you see the forwards aspect we have here but it's more dynamic, but the real emphasis is on quick ball to the backs and you will see more tries because of it.. i think mainly it's because of the mentality of SH players like to run with the ball rather than kick for touch, unsuccessfully.
I remember watching Hurricanes vs Blues. Didn't really notice the forwards doing much in terms of phases of crash balls.. it was all quick ball to guys like Hosea Gear.. and he was electric.. at least 3 or 4 tries i saw scored was from plays and improptu runners just causing panic by running at defenders.. it lead to more mistakes, so there was more tries. It's not poor defence though. This is why our current toothless backplay in the NH fails to trouble the AB's, Boks and Wallabies.. they just are more used to it in the SH, and what we throw at them is nothing special.
Also, the players tend to be from their own nations in S14.. there is no mix-up of languages and nationalities which many euro clubs often field World XV's.. that must have some effect.
Generally, i think the saffas are more solid and good all-rounders, while the kiwis are the most clinical finishers, and the aussies are a great all-rounders.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 24 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=381133')</div>
You've missed the best SA player playing in france, Shawn Sowerby...[/b]
No thanks, we have Pierre Spies and Ryan Konkowski we don't need an old ass player.
Charles
25-02-09, 05:50 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 24 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=381133')
You've missed the best SA player playing in france, Shawn Sowerby...[/b]
No thanks, we have Pierre Spies and Ryan Konkowski we don't need an old ass player.
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Maybe you want to read carefully before posting unneeded "old ass" replies.
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TheBokke
26-02-09, 11:05 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bull @ Feb 25 2009, 06:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=381235')
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 24 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ('index.php?act=findpost&pid=381133')
You've missed the best SA player playing in france, Shawn Sowerby...[/b]
No thanks, we have Pierre Spies and Ryan Konkowski we don't need an old ass player.
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Maybe you want to read carefully before posting unneeded "old ass" replies.
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