Player Ratings

[JJR]

What ratings would you feel your team's players should have in Rugga 2012...if your team is present.

[JJR]

The Sharks- (top attribute)

1.Beast-86 (strength-94)
2.Bizmark du plessis-86 (strength- 90)
3.Jannie du plessis- 83 (scrumming- 86)
4.Steven Sykes-80 (work rate- 87)
5.Gerhard Mostert-80 (rucks/clearing- 87)
6.Keegan Daniel-84 (speed/strength/agility- 87)
7.Jean Deysel-86 (power- 95)
8.Ryan Kankowski-84 (strength/speed- 86)
9.Charl Mcloed-80 (speed/passing- 84)
10.Patrick Lambie-84...90 with age (vision/passing -87)
11.Lwazi Mvovo- 80 (strength/speed- 85)
12.Meyer Bosman-82 (passing- 86)
13. Jacques-Louis Potgieter- 82 at 10...80 at 13 (kicking/speed- 86)
14.JP Pieterson- 83 (strength/speed- 84)
15.Louis Ludik- 78 (tackling- 84)

16. John Smit- 84 (line-outs-90)
17. Eugene van Staden- 80 (workrate- 85)
18. Ross skeate- 78 (agility/workrate- 84)
19. Willem Alberts- 86 (strength/power-92)
20. Conrad Hoffman- 78 (agility/passing-83)
21. Adrian Jacobs- 80 (acceleration/vision -86)
22. Odwa Ndungane- 78 (workrate- 85)

Main Reserves-
Craig Burden- 80 (workrate/explosive power- 88)
Kyle Cooper- 82 (Crash ball/Explosive power- 89)
Wiehahn Herbst- 82 (Scrumming- 86)
Jacques Botes- 82 (Workrate- 92)
Luzuko Vulindlu- 80 (Tackling- 87)
Anton Bresler- 80 (Clearing- 86)
Andre Pretorius
Jerome Pretorius- 80 (Speed- 86)

[mohamed_ali12]

Bath -

1. Nathan Catt - 80
2. Lee Mears - 81
3. Davey Wilson - 82
4. Stuart Hooper - 77
5. Danny Grewcock - 79
6. Simon Taylor - 81
7. Lewis Moody - 84
8. Luke Watson - 84
9. Michael Claassens - 82
10. Butch James - 88
11. Matt Banahan - 81
12. Olly Barkley - 83
13. Shontayne Hape - 82
14. Matt Carrarro - 80
15. Nick Abendanon - 82

16. Pieter Dixon - 76
17. David Flatman - 77
18. Duncan Bell - 76
19. Ignacio Fernandez Lobbe - 76
20. Guy Mercer - 75
21. Mark McMillan - 76
22. Sam Vesty - 76
23. Jack Cuthbert - 77

[JJR]

Springboks (excluding The Sharks ratings that i have already done)-

1.Beast
2.Bissie
3.Jannie
4.Bakkies- 84
5. Matfield- 89
6. Burger- 86
7. Smith- 86
8. Spies- 85
9.Fourie- 90 (best scrummie in the world)
10. Steyn- 83
11. Habana- 82
12. JDV- 86
13. J Fourie- 86
14. JPP
15. F Steyn- 86

16.Smit
17.Cj van der linde- 82
18. Andries Bekker- 85
19. Willem Alberts/Deysel
20. Francois Hougaard- 83
21. Patty Lambie
22. Juan de Jongh- 82

[MunsterMan]

Munster -

1. Wian du Preez - 80
2. Jerry Flannery - 83
3. Tony Buckley - 75
4. Donncha O'Callaghan - 84
5. Paul O'Connell - 86
6. James Coughlan - 77
7. David Wallace - 85
8. Denis Leamy - 83
9. Tomás O'Leary - 77
10. Ronan O'Gara - 83
11. Johne Murphy - 77
12. Sam Tuitupou - 75
13. Keith Earls - 81
14. Doug Howlett - 86
15. Paul Warwick - 80

16. Damien Varley - 77
17. Marcus Horan - 72
18. John Hayes -73
19. Mick O'Driscoll - 75
20. Alan Quinlan - 77
21. Peter Stringer - 77
22. Lifemi Mafi - 75
23. Denis Hurley - 73

[TRF_nickdnz]

All Blacks

1. Tony Woodcock - 86
2. Kevin Mealamu - 89
3. Owen Franks - 86
4. Brad Thorn - 88
5. Sam Whitelock - 86
6. Jerome Kaino - 87
7. Richie McCaw - 95
8. Kieren Read - 90
9. Peri Weepu - 88
10. Daniel Carter - 95
11. Hosea Gear - 90
12. Ma'a Nonu - 88
13. Conrad Smith - 92
14. Cory Jane - 90
15. Mils Muliaina - 92

16. Andrew Hore - 86
17. Ben Franks - 82
18. Ali Williams - 88
19. Liam Messam - 81
20. Jimmy Cowan - 84
21. Stephen Donald - 4
22. Sitivini Sivivatu - 88

R. John Afoa - 85
R. Hika Elliot - 82
R. Chris Jack - 86
R. Daniel Braid - 83
R. Alby Mathewson - 84
R. Colin Slade - 82
R. Sonny Bill Williams - 86
R. Israel Dagg - 85

Others from New Zealand (classic active players)-
Tana Umaga - 90
Jonah Lomu - 90
Joe Rokocoko - 90
Jerry Collins - 90
Doug Howlett - 90
Carl Hayman - 90
Byron Kelleher - 90
Marty Holah - 85
Xavier Rush - 86
Nick Evans - 88
Kees Meeuws - 86
Greg Summerville - 86

[JJR]

We should try and rate guys that 90 is like one of the best players in history...like Fifa. Not even Fifa guys reach 90 rating.

[JJR]

How would macaw get 95 rating? Speed-70 max strength- 75 fetching- 90 tackling-80 ball carrying-70-75...etc...how can he get to 95? Never...

[dan the man]

Regardless of what McCaw gets, everyone else in the game will have a lower rating cause he's the best player in the world!!!

[brusselsbarbarian]

21. Stephen Donald - 4


made me chuckle, because it's true.

[dan the man]

made me chuckle, because it's true.

Haha, maybe he should get about 80 when he plays for Waikato or the Chiefs, but when he pulls on the black jersey he drops to about 60 :D

[Will Simpson]

England; 82

1, Dan Cole 83
2, Dylan Hartley 84
3, Andrew Sheridan 81
4, Courtney Lawes 82
5, Tom Palmer 80
6, Tom Croft 83
7, Lewis Moody 85
8, Nick Easter 82
9, Ben Youngs 83
10, Johnny Wilkinson 87
11, Mark Cueto 80
12, Shontayne Hape 80
13, Mike Tindall 84
14, Chris Ashton 85
15, Ben Foden 84

16, Tim Payne 81
17, Steve Thompson 84
18, David Wilson 80
19, Simon Shaw 82
20, Hendre Fourie 83
21, Danny Care 82
22, Toby Flood 84
23, Delon Armitage 81

Leeds Carnegie; 75

1, Mike MacDonald 76
2, Steve Thompson 84
3, Jaun Gomez 73
4, Tom Denton 72
5, Marco Wentzel 79
6, Rhys Oakley 77
7, Hendre Fourie 83
8, Daniel Browne 78
9, Warren Fury 76
10, Ceiron Thomas 76
11, Michael Stephenson 79
12, Scott Barrow 76
13, Henry Fafilli 74
14, Lee Blackett 77
15, Leigh Hinton 73

16, Gareth Hardy 74
17, Phil Nilsen 71
18, Gareth Denman 69
19, Danny Paul 72
20, Kearnan Myall 72
21, Scott Mathie 72
22, Luther Burrell 73
23, James Tinknell 74

[Faatau82]

What i'd like to see is the system fifa has, where players start at a set rating, and improve as the game goes on. So a player like Ben Foden would start at 81 and develop to maybe 89 or something. This is a great thing in fifa as you recruit younger players and develop them and in rugby that'd work very well.

Also the rating could drop according to form in the last 5 games. So like has been said, Stephen Donald could reach 82, but if he has a poor run of games, his rating will drop. Also, World Rankings would be a nice touch. Basically, live team and player ratings. They don't have to be real-time, but can be realistic to the game.

[beerholder]

What i'd like to see is the system fifa has, where players start at a set rating, and improve as the game goes on. So a player like Ben Foden would start at 81 and develop to maybe 89 or something. This is a great thing in fifa as you recruit younger players and develop them and in rugby that'd work very well.

Also the rating could drop according to form in the last 5 games. So like has been said, Stephen Donald could reach 82, but if he has a poor run of games, his rating will drop. Also, World Rankings would be a nice touch. Basically, live team and player ratings. They don't have to be real-time, but can be realistic to the game.

i agree, but this should only work in season mode. i think this thread is for the default ratings.

[JJR]

Ritchie is the most overrated player i know...all he does well is make a bladdy mess of the breakdown...that is pretty much it. Heinrich Brussouw is a proper fetcher...ritchie is the spoiler and gets away with it just because he has a (C) next to his name. Best players in the world Dan carter (as much as i hate to say it),fourie du preez, Victor Matfield and Mils Muli.

[TVH11]

The way of working out ratings obviously is a bit vague atm so i've waited a bit to see what people have been saying about their own sides, and then going from that. Any other welshies out there are more than welcome to help me out with my ratings (may be extremely biased to my region :P :P)

Wales - trying to be as non biased as possible (Form has been poop as of the last year and a bit but still a load of players that are "top tier" performers - At least Northern Hemisphere). Saying a starting lineup for us is a bit tricky atm cause Gatland is chopping and changing every game but this is "my" starting 15 anyways.

1. Gethin Jenkins 84
2. Mathew Rees 82
3. Adam Jones 86/7 (if the bench mark so far for everyone with tightheads is 86 then i'm going with that for adam cause he's arguably one of the best 3's in the World
4. Bradley Davies 82
5. Alun-Wyn Jones 81
6. Dan Lydiate/Ryan Jones 81 (Same thing as below but different emphasis on stats - Ryan may even be 2nd row)
7. Martyn Williams/ Sam Warbuton 82 (same kinda rating but emphasis on different stats)
8. Jonathan Thomas 81
9. Mike Phillips 81
10. Stephen Jones 80
11. Shane Williams 85/6 (this is one which even my fellow country men will debate heavily over, but i still feel that he's world class, even if he's getting on. Without him Wales or ospreys have no spark)
12. Jamie Roberts 84
13. James Hook 84
14. Lee Halpenny/George North 81
15. Lee Byrne - 80 (Form over last year has been crap but still by the world cup will be half decent, at least i hope)

The Ospreys (Again theres only a few club sides been posted so far so i can't really compare to much - so i'll compare to what munsterman rates his squad cause the ospreys and munster seem evenly matched)

1. Paul James 80
2. Richard Hibbard 79
3. Adam Jones 86
4. Ryan Jones 81
5. Alun-Wyn Jones 81
6. Jerry Collins 82
7. Marty Holah 83
8. Jonathan Thomas 81
9. Mike Phillips 81
10. Dan Biggar 79
11. Shane Williams 85/6
12. James Hook 84
13.Andrew Bishop 80
14. Tommy Bowe 84/5
15. Lee Byrne 80

[Duckdee]

I'm going to round to the nearest 5.

1 Marcos Ayerza 80
2 George Chuter 70
3 Martin Castrogiovanni/Dan Cole 80
4 Louis Deacon 65
5 George Skivington 75
6 Tom Croft 85
7 Craig Newby 70
8 Jordan Crane/Thomas Waldrom 75
9 Ben Youngs 85
10 Toby Flood 80
11 Alessanna Tuilagi 70
12 Anthony Allen 65
13 Matt Smith 70
14 Scott Hamilton 75
15 Geordan Murphy 75

Billy Twelvetrees 70

[TRF_nickdnz]

Ritchie is the most overrated player i know...all he does well is make a bladdy mess of the breakdown...that is pretty much it. Heinrich Brussouw is a proper fetcher...ritchie is the spoiler and gets away with it just because he has a (C) next to his name. Best players in the world Dan carter (as much as i hate to say it),fourie du preez, Victor Matfield and Mils Muli.

Ahh, McCaw is a cheat? I'm glad we're back to that.

Never mind McCaw being a cheat though, Victor Matfield is a rapist and Fourie du Preez killed four people.

Wow, it is easy making allogations...backing them up is a little harder, otherwise you just come off as a twat.

[Faatau82]

He's good at what he does, and that's being Richie McCaw. Some players are more skillful at 'gaining an advantage' than others, that's not cheating.. that's playing the game to it's limits.

[JJR]

Even many New Zealanders would agree that Ritchie gets away with murder more often than not...

[mohamed_ali12]

I'm going to round to the nearest 5.

1 Marcos Ayerza 80
2 George Chuter 70
3 Martin Castrogiovanni/Dan Cole 80
4 Louis Deacon 65
5 George Skivington 75
6 Tom Croft 85
7 Craig Newby 70
8 Jordan Crane/Thomas Waldrom 75
9 Ben Youngs 85
10 Toby Flood 80
11 Alessanna Tuilagi 70
12 Anthony Allen 65
13 Matt Smith 70
14 Scott Hamilton 75
15 Geordan Murphy 75

Billy Twelvetrees 70

Lumping Allen in with Deacon? Now that's just mean.

Bit harsh on Waldrom, Hamilton and Murphy too in my opinion

[beerholder]

This topic has nothing to do with Mccaw being a cheat. If he's a cheat, HB should make it his special ability, like when you pressed Alt to steal the ball from the ruck and the ref didn't noticed.

Besides the joke, alot of players "bend the rules", and if you think mccaw cheats, that's because being the captain makes you the most visible player in what is in my opinion a very disciplined team.

[Duckdee]

Lumping Allen in with Deacon? Now that's just mean.

Bit harsh on Waldrom, Hamilton and Murphy too in my opinion
They both seem entirely average to me, could go Deacon 63, Allen 67. I was erring on the side of caution for most players, might've overrated Tuilagi, though.

[JJR]

Never said cheat once...i said he gets away with it...yes he is good at what he does, but it is not a true form of rugby talent such as tackling well...handing off perfectly, etc. Same as schalla Burger...used to do the same thing at the breakdown, now he gets blow for it while Ritchie keeps doin what he is doin...lying on the wrong side of the ruck deliberately slowing down ball, hands in only once the ruck has actually formed...i mean beast gets blown for not rolling, but he can't he is too big even when he tries...Ritchie does it all the time deliberately and nothing happens...that is the frustrating part.

[madflyhalf]

Staying with the Rugby06's ratings system

Italy (74):

Perugini 82
Ghiraldini 81
Castrogiovanni 90
Dellapè 79
Del Fava 80
Zanni 84
Derbyshire 85 (I played against him!!!! U.17 lost 15-70 :( )
Parisse 87
Gori 76 (20yo... give him time)

REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE THE FLY HALF... BUT, stay with Gower for a while, cause Bocchino didn't play more than 5' per game

Gower 75
Bergamasco Mirco 81
Sgarbi 78
Benvenuti 78 (20yo... give him time and space at centre, not at wing, Mallett!!)
Masi 80
McLean 79

Ongaro 79
Cittadini 79
Lo Cicero 80
Bortolami 77
Bergamasco Mauro 86 (now he's injuried, so I put him on the bench)
Tebaldi 75
Bocchino 74
Canale 76

Canale should rated 85 with Clermont, 65 with Italy and I still don't know why... maybe Brock James at flyhalf is the answer!

Festuccia 78
Nieto 78
Geldenhuys 75
Favaro 76
Barbieri 72
Nitoglia 74
Robertson 73


Because I love Australia (rated 90 with R06 ):

Robinson 82
Moore 82
mmmmm... last year I would rated Alexander at tighthead, but not now... Slipper 75
Horwill 81
Sharpe 88
Elsom 87
Pocock 90
McCalman 82
Genia 87
Cooper 88
Mitchell 90
Barnes 89
Ashley-Cooper 90
O'Connor 87
Beale 89

Polota-Nau 80
Alexander 81 (81 at loosehead! I can't understand what happened since last year, when he could play tighthead as well)
really don't know who's gonna be the 4th prop....... Baxter? Dunning? Blake? :huh:
Chisholm 81
Higginbotham 84
Burgess 84
Giteau 86
Turner 87

Palu 80
Brown 78
Hodgson 81
Mumm 78
Ioane 85
Mortlock 84
Hynes 83
Shepherd 81
Baxter 82 (just for experience at scrum)
Fainga'a A. 75
Fainga'a S. 74

[Peat]

They both seem entirely average to me, could go Deacon 63, Allen 67. I was erring on the side of caution for most players, might've overrated Tuilagi, though.

You're strange...

Ulster

Tom Court - 84
Rory Best - 84
BJ Botha - 86
Dan Tuohy - 82
Johann Muller - 84
Stephen Ferris - 88
Willie Faloon - 80
Pedrie Wannenberg - 83

Ruan Pienaar - 88
Ian Humphreys - 80
Simon Danielli - 81
Paddy Wallace - 83
Darren Cave - 81
Andrew Trimble - 83
Adam D'Arcy - 80

Possibly overrating a few, but casting my mind back to 08 ratings, it feels about right to me. Seems to me by 08 standards a lot of a players are getting undermarked.

[lucky number 7]

Sean O Brien - 100.

[Duckdee]

You're strange...
True, but I can't see in Allen what everyone else seems to. *shrugs*

[TRF_Olyy]

True, but I can't see in Allen what everyone else seems to. *shrugs*
Alot of Tiggers fans can't,
Probably still got his subpar performances of the past at the back of your mind, rather than his improved ones of recent times :p

[Duckdee]

Alot of Tiggers fans can't,
Probably still got his subpar performances of the past at the back of your mind, rather than his improved ones of recent times :p

I've only seen him this season. :/

[TRF_Olyy]

Can't ever really remember seeing him before this season either tbf, I think he's decent,
Apparently his defence used to be shocking, but he's worked on it alot (which is what alot of people still dislike him before, much like Charlie Hodgson - used to be a poor defender, now good, but still labeled as poor)

[Dexter Tauvao]

Springboks (93)

Guthrö Steenkamp 83/ Tendai Mtawarira 85
Bismarck du Plessis 84/ John Smit 81
Jannie du Plessis 82/ WP Nel 81
Victor Matfield 90*/Danie Rossouw 78
Bakkies Botha 86/Andries Bekker 80
Heinrich Brüssow 92*/Schalke Burger 91*
Juan Smith 90*/ Pedrie Wannenburg 84
Pierre Spies 82/ Ryan Kankowski 80
Fourie du Preez 91*/ François Hougaard 85
Morné Steyn 93*/ Ruan Pienaar 84
Bryan Habana 90/ Lwazi Mvovo 83
Jean de Villiers 84/ Wynand Olivier 81
Jaque Fourie 89/
JP Pietersen 82/ Jongi Nokwe 81
François Steyn 92*/ Zane Kirchner 81

*Impact Player

Jake White 91/ Peter de Villiers 80

'Legends' / Retired
Os du Randt 93
Joost Van der Westhuizen 90
Breyton Paulse 93
Percy Montgomery 98

[blueforever123]

Cardiff Blues
15. Ben Blair 80/ Chris Czekaj 76 / Dan Fish 70 (Highly promising youngster)
14. Leigh Halfpenny 83/ Richard Mustoe 74
13. Casey Laulala 82/ Dafydd Hewitt 75
12.Jamie Roberts 86/ Tom Shanklin 79
11. Tom James 79 / James Loxton 69 (promising youngster)
10. Dan Parks 80/ Ceri Sweeney 78
9. Richie Rees 79/ Lloyd Williams 76 (Highly promising youngster)
8. Xavier Rush 86/ Tom Brown 75
7. Sam Warburton 82/ Martyn Williams 81/ Josh Navidi 76 (Highly promising youngster)
6.Maama Molitika 79 / Andries Pretorius 76 (Highly promising youngster)
5. Paul Tito 78/ Deniol Jones 78/ Mike Paterson 79
4. Bradley Davies 82/ James Down 76 (Highly promising youngster)
3. Tau Filise 80/ Scott Andrews 77
2. Rhys Thomas 79/ Gareth Williams 78 / Rhys Williams 75
1. Gethin Jenkins 83/ John Yapp 79/ Sam Hobbs 76

[JJR]

@Dexter...pedrie,olivier,jongi????? won't even make the squads. pedrie is probably about 20 choice number 7. Jongi is about 10th choice. 7 order for Bokke...Smith,Alberts,Deysel.
Wings order...habana,jp,aplon,mvovo,ndungane,mapoe....

[Dexter Tauvao]

hmmm.. fair enough
I only put Wannenburg in really cause he's got a high stat on 08 and hes one of my fav 7's
I do rate Burger up there as the third top flanker behind Smith n Brüssow

also JJR, you seem to know a lot,
Is Francois Hougaard a specialist wing? Or did he only play wing because FdP plays at Bulls also?
He seems to be a natrual halfback, and his selection at number 9 for the Boks after playing wing for S14 was a shock for me
?? He's a specialist in both spots?

**also
Brian Lima tackling statistics MUST be 90+ !

[TRF_nickdnz]

hmmm.. fair enough
I only put Wannenburg in really cause he's got a high stat on 08 and hes one of my fav 7's
I do rate Burger up there as the third top flanker behind Smith n Brüssow

also JJR, you seem to know a lot,
Is Francois Hougaard a specialist wing? Or did he only play wing because FdP plays at Bulls also?
He seems to be a natrual halfback, and his selection at number 9 for the Boks after playing wing for S14 was a shock for me
?? He's a specialist in both spots?

**also
Brian Lima tackling statistics MUST be 90+ !
He's a halfback, who played at wing because FdP is the best halfback. He's a wicked good wing as well though.

[JJR]

hmmm.. fair enough
I only put Wannenburg in really cause he's got a high stat on 08 and hes one of my fav 7's
I do rate Burger up there as the third top flanker behind Smith n Brüssow

also JJR, you seem to know a lot,
Is Francois Hougaard a specialist wing? Or did he only play wing because FdP plays at Bulls also?
He seems to be a natrual halfback, and his selection at number 9 for the Boks after playing wing for S14 was a shock for me
?? He's a specialist in both spots?

**also
Brian Lima tackling statistics MUST be 90+ ! He is 100% halfback, but Fourie is the best you can find at 9 and Bulls were a bit short on wings since Habana left and Ndungane got injured. He is good at wing because he runs well and has the agility and strength, but he is bladdy good at 9 as you would know. Try watch some Sharks superrugby games next year and have a look at Alberts at 7...Deysel will be back from injury around end of March. Both are in my mind the best 2 crash ball forwards in South Africa...by that i mean that they get over the advantage line almost everytime they carry the ball. Lima should be around 95 rating (tackling) at least, because he is by far the best tackler i have seen in the backs. But ain't he retired now...he is pretty old...but can probably still tackle like a animal.

[Dexter Tauvao]

hmmmm yeah thanks for that
I did miss a lot of the Sharks :l
(shocking) I heard Alberts played brilliantly for the Boks so yeah fair call
I remember watching the highlight reel and he looked like a beast

Brian Lima I think is still playing Samoan club rugby at Marist St. Pats