Round 4: Crusaders v Blues

[THE CHIROPRACTOR101]

yes..i know everyone is predicting an upset but i dont think the crusaders are up to beating the blues this saturday...

tasesa :%#%#: lavea...if his hideous form (which is accepted in the grand game of rugby league) continues this weekend..?..

...i swear....no honestly i will..ill be like f*** you lavea..f*** you..you stink c***
there is a difference between npc level and super14 level where super14 isnt as grunt and as slow from setpiece and he seems to be confused by that...

i give him another weekend....to live...if he fails...hes gone and ripper will be your new blues first 5

[Ripper]

Were f***ed.

End of Story.

Unless Lavea catches Bird Flu and dies... maybe we should send him to Hamilton, he would be bound to catch some disease there.

[The KNUCKLE]

We're gona get rolled up & smoked, thank f*** we're not playing at home! I had to suffer the defeat by the the Hurricanes in the f***in rain last time, I get tired of throwing bottles at opposition supporters! only coz they don't fly far enough to hit Lavea & wake him up!Make ya self useful this week Lavea & head high Carter, you'll probably get the yellow ticket but it'd be the best 10 minutes of the season for him yet!! We're f***d

[shiznit]

Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 1 2006, 06:11 AM
Were f***ed.

End of Story.

Unless Lavea catches Bird Flu and dies... maybe we should send him to Hamilton, he would be bound to catch some disease there.
in hamilton??

have you walked down queen street lately?

with half of Shanghai located in inner city auckland i wouldnt be suprised if Lavea already has a mutated super form of bird flu. bird-sars. thats probably what hes got.

what ever hes got i wish it would hurry up and work...

seriously i think the blues might have a shot. if they can knock over the crusaiders then i think there season is definately back on track.

[Gay-Guy]

Yeah I think the Blues have a shot too................the Crusaders are still going through the transitional stage of replacing Marshall...................McCaw is good but not really a Marshall type yet when leading as a senior player.

I want the Crusaders to win cos I sold my soul to them in 2000 when at the 60 minute mark of the final against the Brumbies I pledged that if they did the impossible and won that day I would support them forever................they did.

Crusaders :bravo: ................the team that denied the Brumbies of S12 dominance. S12 will be forever known as the Crusaders legacy...........no other team had the consistency to match and overtake the Brumbies. Without the Crusaders all NZ rugby would be bowing to the team from ACT as the team of the S12 era.

[Rassie]

Huh, that was something impressive in the past! Do you guys remember the North Island vs South Island encounters? Did you heard about that legendary competition (i wonder why they took it off) ?

[Gay-Guy]

Super 12 killed the North/South games as well as the AB trials. The selectors now use the S12 for their guide on chosing the start of year international players.

I wish the Tri nations had not expanded. I actually would have like a return of north Island/south Island games and believe it would have taken off with a 3 game series, kits that were not back vs white (more predominantly blue for the north with colours representing the northern unions mixed in and predominantly red for the south with colours of the southern unions mixed in. The Blue and Red domination in colours for the two sides reflecting the historically most successful union from each Island. The jerseys styled in a way that people would see them as worth wearing around the street. Also both teams having nicknames like the SOO teams do in aus). However with an ever expanding International season this was never going to happen.

Also a north isl vs south isl series with all the hype, intensity, rivalries, sponsorship, etc, would have been a step up from S14 rugby and on a par with International rugby. THE PERFECT TRAINING GROUND FOR ALL BLACKS!!!!!

But we will never know. Instead the training ground for AB's is the S14 where the Aussies and S.A's can keep a gage on what we are doing. Not very insightful thinking from our Union bosses. Money seems to call too many shots nowadays............but we can't buy ourselves a RWC title.

[Gay-Guy]

Back on topic.........when is Scott Hamilton gonna replace Caleb Ralph on the wing?

[The TRUTH]

Back off topic...... Wouldn't you rather see more Bledisloe games? personally i think the Bledisloe cup is the best thing outside the WC and in particular knocking the kiwis out of the World Cup.I think the expansion of the Tri nations is the best thing to happen in a long time.

Back on topic..... why would you want Ralph out of the side?....... he's a class player , much better than Hamilton IMO

[Rassie]

The Truth: "personally i think the Bledisloe cup is the best thing outside the WC "

Do you know that you lost Bledisloe something like 35 years in a row in the past?

[The TRUTH]

More like 27 but who cares i wasn't alive back then and it wasn't even popular over here...........that was when rugby was a shit game

Its been great ever since 1990 and some of the best games in rugby history have been played in that time

these are the years i care about .....

1990 New Zealand
1991 Australia
1992 Australia
1993 New Zealand
1994 Australia
1995 New Zealand
1996 New Zealand
1997 New Zealand
1998 Australia
1999 Australia
2000 Australia
2001 Australia
2002 Australia
2003 New Zealand
2004 New Zealand
2005 New Zealand

[Gay-Guy]

Originally posted by The TRUTH!!@Mar 1 2006, 09:35 PM
Back on topic..... why would you want Ralph out of the side?....... he's a class player , much better than Hamilton IMO
Yeah Ralph was THE man for the Crusaders!

This year though he sucks :( Yep....his time has come

[Rassie]

Here is smth funny

1991 - Australia (World Cup season)
1995 - New Zealand (World Cup season)
1999 - Australia (World Cup season)
2003 - New Zealand (World Cup season)
.....
therefore.
.
.
.
.2007 Australia (World Cup season) :D

[Gay-Guy]

Originally posted by Rassie@Mar 1 2006, 10:08 PM
Here is smth funny

1991 - Australia (World Cup season)
1995 - New Zealand (World Cup season)
1999 - Australia (World Cup season)
2003 - New Zealand (World Cup season)
.....
therefore.
.
.
.
.2007 Australia (World Cup season) :D
You forgot....

1987 - New Zealand (world cup season)

[woosaah]

who had the bledisloe in 87?

also this weekend hamilton is on the wing (i hate him) and ralf moves into centre, with laulala on bench

mcintyre bracketed with mauger who still has a problem with his hammy

[Dumbo]

Blues: 1 - Tony Woodcock, 2 - Keven Mealamu (Captain), 3 - John Afoa, 4 - Greg Rawlinson, 5 - Ali Williams, 6 - Troy Flavell, 7 - Daniel Braid, 8 - Nick Williams, 9 - John Senio, 10 - Tasesa Lavea, 11 - Joe Rokocoko, 12 - Rua Tipoki, 13 - Anthony Tuitavake, 14 - Doug Howlett, 15 - Isa Nacewa.

Reserves: 16 - Tim Dow, 17 - Saimone Taumoepeau, 18 - Kurtis Haiu, 19 - Angus Macdonald 20 - Junior Poluleuigaga, 21 - Vili Waqaseduadua, 22 - Brent Ward.

Crusaders: 1 - Greg Somerville, 2 - Corey Flynn, 3 - Campbell Johnstone, 4 - Chris Jack, 5 - Brad Mika, 6 - Reuben Thorne, 7 - Richard McCaw (Captain), 8 - Mose Tuiali'i, 9 - Kevin Senio, 10 - Daniel Carter, 11 - Scott Hamilton, 12 - Aaron Mauger/Cameron McIntyre, 13 - Caleb Ralph, 14 - Rico Gear, 15 - Leon MacDonald.

Reserves: 16 - Tone Kopelani, 17 - Wyatt Crockett, 18 - Kevin O'Neill, 19 - Johnny Leo'o, 20 - Andrew Ellis, 21 - Cameron McIntyre/Stephen Brett, 22 - Casey Laulala.

Look forward to seeing the battle up front, will be a battle of the big names in NZ rugby. I'm not writting the Blues off in this one but would have to say (looking at recent performances) that the Blues are screwed.
Great match ups everywhere (depending if Mauger is playing), should be a game well worth watching.

[Gay-Guy]

Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 2 2006, 12:30 PM
who had the bledisloe in 87?


Good question. I assumed it was NZ but i remember that it was the 88 tour that we beat the Aussies. Or maybe it was the 87???

Gee I can't remember what year it was. All I remember was Buck was angry we drew the last game and did not get a 3 nil whitewash.

[Gay-Guy]

Observing Troy again will be interesting. Has he played against the Crusaders loosies before? Particularly Tualii?????

[woosaah]

dunno, i think he will be left wanting abit, didnt look to bad in the game i saw in the weekend against the reds though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bledisloe_Cup

new zealand won it 1 nil best of 1

so yes the theroy works lol :)

[Ripper]

Originally posted by shiznit+Mar 1 2006, 09:45 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Mar 1 2006, 06:11 AM
Were f***ed.

End of Story.

Unless Lavea catches Bird Flu and dies... maybe we should send him to Hamilton, he would be bound to catch some disease there.
in hamilton??

have you walked down queen street lately?

with half of Shanghai located in inner city auckland i wouldnt be suprised if Lavea already has a mutated super form of bird flu. bird-sars. thats probably what hes got.

what ever hes got i wish it would hurry up and work...

seriously i think the blues might have a shot. if they can knock over the crusaiders then i think there season is definately back on track. [/b]
But Auckland has TECHNOLOGY.

The people in Hamilton think that everytime there is an eclipse, a monkey is eating the earth.

[allblacksfreak]

Crusader&#39;s gonna win this...

[shiznit]

Originally posted by Ripper+Mar 2 2006, 03:23 PM-->

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 1 2006, 09:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Mar 1 2006, 06:11 AM
Were f***ed.

End of Story.

Unless Lavea catches Bird Flu and dies... maybe we should send him to Hamilton, he would be bound to catch some disease there.
in hamilton??

have you walked down queen street lately?

with half of Shanghai located in inner city auckland i wouldnt be suprised if Lavea already has a mutated super form of bird flu. bird-sars. thats probably what hes got.

what ever hes got i wish it would hurry up and work...

seriously i think the blues might have a shot. if they can knock over the crusaiders then i think there season is definately back on track.
But Auckland has TECHNOLOGY.

The people in Hamilton think that everytime there is an eclipse, a monkey is eating the earth. [/b]
the only ones looking like monkeys at the moment are the JAFAS in charge or running the warriors. yes... aucklanders!!

and before you start saying it was league people we all know that one of auckland rugbys greatest minds is one of the bafoons behind this. yes... the great John Hart.

with all the technology in auckland its funny that no one in cafe&#39; late land seemed to be able to find a calculator to figure out that 5 million dollars for ruben wiki and 5 million dollars for steven price was not going to fit into a $3.25 million salary cap.

[Dumbo]

Amazing isn&#39;t it... even without the zeros is like remedial math...

[Dumbo]

Back on topic...

Mauger setback for the Crusaders
McIntyre and Ralph in the midfield
The Crusaders suffered a major setback ahead of their all-New Zealand Super 14 derby against the Blues at Jade Stadium, Christchurch, on Saturday. All Black centre Aaron Mauger has been ruled out with a hamstring injury.


Mauger suffered the hamstring strain in the Crusaders&#39; 22-20 victory over the Sharks in Timaru last week. It was hoped he would recover in time, but on Thursday he was ruled out.

Cameron McIntyre has replaced Mauger at second five-eights (No.12) for the encounter with the Blues. Stephen Brett comes onto the bench.

Brad Mika makes his first start for the Crusaders this year, replacing Ross Filipo at lock.

Scott Hamilton returns to the starting XV after being on the bench last week, and Caleb Ralph moves in from the wing to centre - where he will partner McIntyre in the midfield.

[sanzar]

Originally posted by Rassie@Mar 1 2006, 08:45 PM
The Truth: "personally i think the Bledisloe cup is the best thing outside the WC "

Do you know that you lost Bledisloe something like 35 years in a row in the past?
And? NSW beat Qld for more than 40 straight years series after series, but that doesn&#39;t change the fact that Qld v NSW matches today are the most heated, hate filled and aggressive games in the Super 12/14.

[sanzar]

Originally posted by Gay-Guy@Mar 1 2006, 08:23 PM


I wish the Tri nations had not expanded.
I agree to a point... I wish it had expanded, but not in the way it has. I personally wanted it to be transformed into a 5 nations with Argentina and the PI nations included... but that wouldn&#39;t generate enough capital to be viable it seems :toss: .

[Wally]

Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 2 2006, 10:15 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Rassie@Mar 1 2006, 08:45 PM
The Truth: "personally i think the Bledisloe cup is the best thing outside the WC "

Do you know that you lost Bledisloe something like 35 years in a row in the past?
And? NSW beat Qld for more than 40 straight years series after series, but that doesn&#39;t change the fact that Qld v NSW matches today are the most heated, hate filled and aggressive games in the Super 12/14. [/b]
Yeah, when you had all the Queenslanders playing for you.

[Wally]

Originally posted by sanzar+Mar 2 2006, 10:18 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Gay-Guy@Mar 1 2006, 08:23 PM


I wish the Tri nations had not expanded.
I agree to a point... I wish it had expanded, but not in the way it has. I personally wanted it to be transformed into a 5 nations with Argentina and the PI nations included... but that wouldn&#39;t generate enough capital to be viable it seems :toss: . [/b]
I&#39;m sure it would have made just as much money with the addition of Argentina in the competition. They&#39;d come close to filling their 70, 000 seat stadium on most occassions, although the ticket prices would be significantly lower. It would have been great for the game. I&#39;m sure with an extra bye instead of an extra game this would have been possible.

[Ripper]

Originally posted by shiznit+Mar 2 2006, 07:14 PM-->

Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 2 2006, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 1 2006, 09:45 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Mar 1 2006, 06:11 AM
Were f***ed.

End of Story.

Unless Lavea catches Bird Flu and dies... maybe we should send him to Hamilton, he would be bound to catch some disease there.
in hamilton??

have you walked down queen street lately?

with half of Shanghai located in inner city auckland i wouldnt be suprised if Lavea already has a mutated super form of bird flu. bird-sars. thats probably what hes got.

what ever hes got i wish it would hurry up and work...

seriously i think the blues might have a shot. if they can knock over the crusaiders then i think there season is definately back on track.
But Auckland has TECHNOLOGY.

The people in Hamilton think that everytime there is an eclipse, a monkey is eating the earth.
the only ones looking like monkeys at the moment are the JAFAS in charge or running the warriors. yes... aucklanders!!

and before you start saying it was league people we all know that one of auckland rugbys greatest minds is one of the bafoons behind this. yes... the great John Hart.

with all the technology in auckland its funny that no one in cafe&#39; late land seemed to be able to find a calculator to figure out that 5 million dollars for ruben wiki and 5 million dollars for steven price was not going to fit into a $3.25 million salary cap. [/b]
Haha, your retarded.

For a start, John Hart joined at the end of the 2005 season.

The Cap breaches occured before and during the 2005 season.

Secondly, Mick Watson is AUSTRALIAN (or so it says on some interview I found).

And thirdly, no one gives a flying f*** about the Warriors outside South Auckland, which is preety much Hamilton anyway.

[woosaah]

there goes ripper ruining another thread by going off topic

crusaders, even with the loss of mauger and ralph going to center are still to strong, but having hamilton on the wing makses them a bit vunerable out wide. he doesnt have the pace or the strength really to take on any of the back 3 of auckland

[Ripper]

Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 3 2006, 09:59 AM
there goes ripper ruining another thread by going off topic

crusaders, even with the loss of mauger and ralph going to center are still to strong, but having hamilton on the wing makses them a bit vunerable out wide. he doesnt have the pace or the strength really to take on any of the back 3 of auckland
Stoner McWoosaah, read the topic again.

If you look very carefully you would see it was shiznit who started this ruckus... I was merely defending the honour of Auckland from some idiot.

[woosaah]

there was no need to carry it onto the league though as it has nothing to do with the game :)

[Gay-Guy]

Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 3 2006, 08:59 AM
having hamilton on the wing makses them a bit vunerable out wide. he doesnt have the pace or the strength really to take on any of the back 3 of auckland
I never likes Hamilton....until last year.....

He was scoring tries everywhere for the Crusaders............that team that won it ;)

[Ripper]

Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 3 2006, 02:55 PM
there was no need to carry it onto the league though as it has nothing to do with the game :)
:huh: Remind me, who was the one who bought up the Warriors...

Hamilton is shit like Caleb Ralph, if he ever gets near an All Black jersey I&#39;m going to kick someone in the nutsack very hard.

[esoj]

go the blues. victory maybe unlikely but they are my team and I will keep supporting them. hopefully the backline fires and the likes of rocketman and dougie can do something.

and for all those from the waikato

blues 3 super 12 titles cheifs 0

end of disscusion

[Ripper]

Originally posted by esoj@Mar 3 2006, 04:52 PM
go the blues. victory maybe unlikely but they are my team and I will keep supporting them. hopefully the backline fires and the likes of rocketman and dougie can do something.

and for all those from the waikato

blues 3 super 12 titles cheifs 0

end of disscusion
The Cheifs would be nothing without Aucklanders.

Sivivatu (Wellesley College), Sam, Milsy (He would be rotting away in Southland if it wasn&#39;t for us), Lauaki ect.

[Dumbo]

That&#39;s funny, the blues are nothing without them as well

[THE CHIROPRACTOR101]

how is that?....we were quite fine in the late 80s and early 90s

[Dumbo]

So what&#39;s happening in 2006?

[esoj]

not a lot at the moment. and bad luck with injury. the loss of tuitupou and mils is not the sole reason the blues aren&#39;t going well at the moment. sure they are losses but between auckland and harbour the talent is there just not performing at the moment. and lavea is just no a 10 simple as that. the npc is very different to super 14.

[THE CHIROPRACTOR101]

oh i thought you meant without chiefs/waikato rugby as a whole...

they have more of our players than any other franchise

donald,sivivatu - wesley college
lauaki,bates,mills,tuitupou - kelston boyz

the list goes on....they feed off us more then we feed off them..they better be greatful for the secondary school rugby system we have which have seen many aucklanders go outta town

evans,toeava,laulala,newbie,tuialii,mika etc...

bring them all back to auckland and we will be just fine right now..maybe infact undefeated

[shiznit]

defend aucklands honour?? hahaha!!
im sure the great city of auckland can survive without an internet geek looking after it.

dont get me wrong, im not chiefs fan im a blues fan through and through. im from the bay of islands and played all my junior footy for northland. i only moved to hamilton for uni. but by far and away auckland is deadset one of the shittiest places on the planet. if you cant see that your kidding yourself. if auckland was so great why is it when work is over everyone aucklander is trying to escape from that shithole?

back on the game....

i think woodcock really needs to stand up in this one. if woodcock, melamu and afoa can dominate at scrumtime the blues will definately be in with a good chance.

the other important part is in the loose. aucklands loose forwards need to be very aggressive at the breakdown. the only way to combat a champion openside flanker like McCaw is to get stuck into him. with flav back you have the most aggresive flanker on the planet. but the biggest risk of playing a high-tempo game around the ruck is that the players(ESPECIALLY FLAV!!) will need to be very carefull they dont cross the line because if you get down to 14 men against the crusaiders you can kiss the game goodbye.

if they can get parity at scrumtime and dominate at the breakdown we should be able give even a useless piece of auckland crap like lavea enough ball to win us the game.
im going for the blues by under 12

[Ripper]

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 3 2006, 06:14 PM
defend aucklands honour?? hahaha!!
im sure the great city of auckland can survive without an internet geek looking after it.

dont get me wrong, im not chiefs fan im a blues fan through and through. im from the bay of islands and played all my junior footy for northland. i only moved to hamilton for uni. but by far and away auckland is deadset one of the shittiest places on the planet. if you cant see that your kidding yourself. if auckland was so great why is it when work is over everyone aucklander is trying to escape from that shithole?
You do know that Lavea is born in Wanganui right?

And I find it funny that someone from Northland mocks the state of Auckland, that place is stuck in the 1840&#39;s still, it wouldn&#39;t surprise if I could ride up there on a horse and buy a huge chunk of land for 2 muskets and a blanket.

I&#39;m shit scared of the Crusaders this game, the only time I have ever actually thought we would lose to the Cantabs in a long, long time.

*edit*

http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html


2005 Rank 2004 Rank City Country Points
1* 1* Geneva* Switzerland* 106.5
1* 2* Zurich* Switzerland* 106.5
3* 3* Vancouver* Canada* 106.0
3* 3* Vienna* Austria* 106.0
5* 5* Frankfurt* Germany 105.5
5* 10* Munich* Germany* 105.5
5* 12* Düsseldorf Germany* 105.5
8 5* Auckland* New Zealand* 105.0
8 5* Bern* Switzerland* 105.0
8* 5* Copenhagen* Denmark* 105.0
8 5 Sydney* Australia* 105.0
[/b]

Yes... what a shithole Auckland is..

[shiznit]

you wouldnt get your horse out of auckland alive. given half a chance your hungry asian cousins from queen street will be having a nice &#39;sweet and sour horse&#39; with theyre &#39;dog fried rice&#39;.

as for lavea..

Player: Tasesa Lavea
Position: First Five-Eighths
Born: 10/01/1980 South Auckland
Physical: 1.76m, 87kg
Tests: 0
Test Points: 0
NPC Team: Auckland
Super 14 Team: Blues

Blessed with a natural running game, Lavea also possesses the tactical and defensive qualities necessary for any modern-day pivot.

Lavea has been an age group rep through the ages of 14, 15 and 16 and was selected in both the Auckland and New Zealand Schools sides in 1998.The following year he was picked up by rugby league talent scouts from the Melbourne Storm and remained with that side for two years, before playing for the Manly Sea Eagles.

In 2000 he was selected for the New Zealand Kiwis for the World Cup.

from: http://www.allblacks.com/index.cfm?layout=...le&playerID=540 (http://www.allblacks.com/index.cfm?layout=playerProfile&playerID=540)

sounds like hes a product of auckland to me :lol:

[Dumbo]

F^&k me, Shiznet for prime minister - man that&#39;s some serious ownership... zap pow bat man.

[The TRUTH]

Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 3 2006, 05:36 PM
Yes... what a shithole Auckland is..
I agree

[Ripper]

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 3 2006, 11:23 PM
you wouldnt get your horse out of auckland alive. given half a chance your hungry asian cousins from queen street will be having a nice &#39;sweet and sour horse&#39; with theyre &#39;dog fried rice&#39;.

as for lavea..

Player: Tasesa Lavea
Position: First Five-Eighths
Born: 10/01/1980 South Auckland
Physical: 1.76m, 87kg
Tests: 0
Test Points: 0
NPC Team: Auckland
Super 14 Team: Blues
*
Blessed with a natural running game, Lavea also possesses the tactical and defensive qualities necessary for any modern-day pivot.

Lavea has been an age group rep through the ages of 14, 15 and 16 and was selected in both the Auckland and New Zealand Schools sides in 1998.The following year he was picked up by rugby league talent scouts from the Melbourne Storm and remained with that side for two years, before playing for the Manly Sea Eagles.

In 2000 he was selected for the New Zealand Kiwis for the World Cup.
*
from: http://www.allblacks.com/index.cfm?layout=...le&playerID=540 (http://www.allblacks.com/index.cfm?layout=playerProfile&playerID=540)

sounds like hes a product of auckland to me* :lol:
Its funny that you always seem to ignore the stuff I&#39;ve made you look stupid with, like your pathetic attempts to bring up the Warriors.

And incase you didnt see it the first time, http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html

And it seems that Lavea has no birthplace.

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/coe/692/lavea.html


Tasesa was born in Wanganui in New Zealand on the 1st October 1980[/b]

While
http://www.theblues.co.nz/player/profile.h...playerid=804447 (http://www.theblues.co.nz/player/profile.html?playerid=804447),

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/author/story.cfm...jectID=10347890 (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/author/story.cfm?a_id=42&ObjectID=10347890) and

http://www.arfu.co.nz/mce/mce-page.aspx

all say he was born in f***ing Taihape (The only place I&#39;ve ever been too that is worse than North Melbourne)


Originally posted by The Truth
I agree

Could you kindly find Perth on any of these lists?

http://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html

http://www.aneki.com/best_cities.html

http://channels.netscape.com/homerealestat...lass-ewp-lk2-hr (http://channels.netscape.com/homerealestate/package.jsp?name=fte/bestqualityoflife/bestqualityoflife&floc=class-ewp-lk2-hr)

But whats this, Auckland coming in the Top 10 in all 3 cases?

[The TRUTH]

There you go

#3 in the world (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/04/1033538761412.html)

and here (http://afr.com/articles/2004/02/06/1075854028114.html)

here aswell (http://www.arellanes.com/wordpress/?p=1679)

please dont compare NZ to Australia

[Ripper]

:bravo: All three are the same survey fool, you just posted the same thing from 3 different sources...

[shiznit]

if you took any notice of what was in bold you would realise not only did i highlight the place of birth but i also highlighted his junior rugby.

c&#39;mon ripper, you should know where your born doesnt count for shit. in this very thread you were claiming sivivatu as a product of auckland yet he was born in FIJI wasnt he?

just take it on the chin mate, auckland produces alot of great players. but ever so often they produce a shithouse one.

as for your arguments about top citys... if auckland is such a great place why the hell does its population escape that crapper at every possible chance?

[Ripper]

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 4 2006, 01:03 PM
if you took any notice of what was in bold you would realise not only did i highlight the place of birth but i also highlighted his junior rugby.

c&#39;mon ripper, you should know where your born doesnt count for shit. in this very thread you were claiming sivivatu as a product of auckland yet he was born in FIJI wasnt he?

just take it on the chin mate, auckland produces alot of great players. but ever so often they produce a shithouse one.

as for your arguments about top citys... if auckland is such a great place why the hell does its population escape that crapper at every possible chance?
Yeah, the place is becoming a ghost town, thats for sure.


In 1996, the population of Auckland city was 350,000. By 2002 it had risen to 401,500 and it continues to grow at about 20 people a day.

Fifty to 60 percent of this population growth is natural increase (births over deaths), while some of it is from people moving into Auckland from other parts of the country and kiwis returning from overseas. Many international migrants also choose to live here, adding to Auckland&#39;s diversity and cosmopolitan energy.[/b]


In population terms Auckland is growing 2.5 times faster than the national average.[/b]

[The TRUTH]

Originally posted by Ripper@Mar 4 2006, 11:20 AM
:bravo: All three are the same survey fool, you just posted the same thing from 3 different sources...
sorry i think the last two are the same... not sure......

first one is from 2002- melbourne 1st perth 3rd

the other is the following year(check again) - melbourne 1st ,perth 4th

The point is ...... if you look hard enough you&#39;ll find Auckland on someone&#39;s survey..... doesn&#39;t mean sh!t though.

If you look here (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/07/12/australia.bestcity/) ,then Sydney has been voted the best city in the world for the last 8 years

[Ripper]

Originally posted by The TRUTH!!+Mar 4 2006, 06:36 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Mar 4 2006, 11:20 AM
:bravo: All three are the same survey fool, you just posted the same thing from 3 different sources...
sorry i think the last two are the same... not sure......

first one is from 2002- melbourne 1st perth 3rd

the other is the following year(check again) - melbourne 1st ,perth 4th

The point is ...... if you look hard enough you&#39;ll find Auckland on someone&#39;s survey..... doesn&#39;t mean sh!t though.

If you look here (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/07/12/australia.bestcity/) ,then Sydney has been voted the best city in the world for the last 8 years [/b]
Yes, but my point was that it proves that it&#39;s hardly te shithole like you and that hick from up north Shiznit say it is.

[The TRUTH]

Originally posted by Ripper+Mar 4 2006, 05:41 PM-->

Originally posted by The TRUTH!!@Mar 4 2006, 06:36 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@Mar 4 2006, 11:20 AM
:bravo: All three are the same survey fool, you just posted the same thing from 3 different sources...
sorry i think the last two are the same... not sure......

first one is from 2002- melbourne 1st perth 3rd

the other is the following year(check again) - melbourne 1st ,perth 4th

The point is ...... if you look hard enough you&#39;ll find Auckland on someone&#39;s survey..... doesn&#39;t mean sh!t though.

If you look here (http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/07/12/australia.bestcity/) ,then Sydney has been voted the best city in the world for the last 8 years
Yes, but my point was that it proves that it&#39;s hardly te shithole like you and that hick from up north Shiznit say it is. [/b]
Fair enough

[Ripper]

Whats this... Lavea... doing two things correctly... in a row.

Somebody pinch me.

*Edit*

10-0 bitches, Lavea&#39;s actually looking preety good, Nacewa is kicking better than Jonny Wilkinson... now to go back and edit all my posts where I doubted the Blues :ph34r:

[Ripper]

THESE REFS ARE f***ING BULLSHIT.

How the f*** is that a yellow card, let alone a f***ing penalty.

*edit*

It was too much to ask for it wasn&#39;t it... Just one good game Lavea, one good game.

I will offer $400 each of Laveas arms and legs, $50 per a finger or toe, $500 for an eye, ear or his nose and $2,500 for his head ($3,000 if you bring it on a platter). Happy hunting folks.

[Dumbo]

Blues got pumped 39-10

2 Tries to McCaw, blues owned the first 10 minutes, the Crusaders owned the 2nd half. Not a lot of tries, most of the points where from Carters boot.

Ref was 50-50

[mark_shaw]

only stand out player for the blues was howlett in the 1st half

[nik]

again lavea was at fault...he just dissapears after the first 10 minutes of the game...his kicking game and defence is very weak...he is more of a runner...he might play well at 2nd 5...we need mccalister badly at 1st 5...also the blues attack doesnt seem to have any depth...the backline seems too flat..thats why the defence is right up at their faces.

[aussie1st]

The Crusaders always look like they were going to win this one. Even though the Blues managed a 10 point lead the Crusaders still looked the more dangerous side. The second half just clicked for them and it was bye bye Blues.

[THE CHIROPRACTOR101]

heffler > lavea

[shiznit]

my take on the game...

*the ref was crap.

*why the hell did he send joe rock to the bin? McCaw does that shit at every breakdown. not to mention we didnt even get to see why ali williams was sent to the cooler either.

*McCaw&#39;s 1st try was also crap. i wasnt aware that the video ref had x-ray vision to see through the tacklers.

*lavea and tipoki are the worst 10-12 combo ever.
McCalister, Atiga and Tuitavake should be the combo.

the only positive i could really see was troy flavell. he was outstanding. he absolutely killed them in defence and took the ball up strongly. i thing jerry collins really needs to look over his shoulder because if flav keeps this up hes going to force one of the wellington boys onto the bench.

[sambãd5]

Originally posted by THE CHIROPRACTOR101@Mar 5 2006, 10:02 PM
heffler > lavea
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Boomslangnz]

well your bitching about mccaws try which was pretty damn obvious that it had been scored...but what about hamiltons disallowed try after about 15-20 mins when ref said there was a crusader knock on when it was clearly off senios boot and should have been a try.

Blues suck mate. Build a bridge and get over that fact.

[THE CHIROPRACTOR101]

Originally posted by shiznit@Mar 5 2006, 09:27 PM


the only positive i could really see was troy flavell. he was outstanding. he absolutely killed them in defence and took the ball up strongly. i thing jerry collins really needs to look over his shoulder because if flav keeps this up hes going to force one of the wellington boys onto the bench.
agreed to an extent...flavell is an awesome player

and now we can all see the urgancy in his eyes...he has discipline...he has everything to become the brutal athlete he is but lacks the control to become and greater player...

that being said..jerry collins?...no way in the world is jerry second to him..

i read an article in the herald by wynne gray which made the most perfect sense

8.jerry collins
7.richie mccaw
6.troy flavell

look at our number 8s...all squallbling about with no real solidity..lauaki,tuialii,sooialo..all have the potential but jerry collins has been there before..he is a trusted member now in the abs...he is capable of handling his agression and thats something troy is doin now...

look now...jerry collins is a classic nz number 8..he has leadership qualities,his game demands respect from team mates and opposing teams,world class skillset and a world class player

now look back at zinny and buck..they had the heart,the brains and the kick ass slamathon rugby style...jerrys got that

flavell is a step down...but in the right direction

[Gay-Guy]

The Crusaders running lines in the backs does not look good at the moment. No one is cutting in or straightening up the way they used to last year. They really missed Mauger as I actually thought that McIntyre would be good at 12....but he wasn&#39;t really.

They may get a nasty surprise soon when they come against a tough defence like the Brumbies who can read that spin it to the wing style so easily.

The worrying thing for other teams is that the Crusaders are still figuring out what they are doing while they are winning. They beat the Blues by 29 points with ugly rugby and after the Blues had their tails up early!!!!!

I can still see the Crusaders about to drop a couple of games mid season while they perfect and settle on a game plan for this years comp. That is the beauty of their brains trust. They check out what everyone else has brought this year to the party. Then they go back and redo themselves accordingly. Most of the other teams have a preset game plan BEFORE the start of the comp and do not have the ability to do a major overhaul in a short space of time if their plan is flawed. Even a game plan as perfect as the Brumbies (cos their style is lol!) can be beaten by a team that adjusts to attack their weak points while deflecting any focus on their own.

Last year the Crusaders did not focus on their famed defence but played hard out attack. After their embaressing defeat to the Blues (yes thats right....last year) they added more kicking into their arsenal particularly short kicks to counter that solid wall the Blues had chucked up in front of them. It won them a premiership and even in the final Mr Hewat the intercept king still did not adjust for this and was going in vain trying to intercept passes that were never going to his wing. He and the Waratahs coaching staff reflected how slow the rest of the S12 teams were by ignoring the Crusaders tendency to grubber. The Crusaders adjusted their game plan one third into the season to allow for the cyclic (as Gregan said lol!) change in the competition. The other teams either didn&#39;t , were not capable of, too confident in their original plan, or just too stupid to adjust for the Crusaders new style....even though it was on display week after week.

When the Crusaders beat the Brumbies in the final of 2000 (the night I sold my soul) it was not because they were the better team. The Brumbies were far and away the better team in the comp...daylight between them and everyone else. The Crusaders won because the Brumbies game plan was so obvious and well documented and those ACT men were so cocky in thinking it was invincible. The Crusaders in that game became so confident that the Brumbies did not have a plan b that after a while Merhtens became the SOLE person at the back waiting for kicks while the opther 14 made the defensive line. The Brumbies with all their good punters had become conditioned NOT to kick but to trust that qwith their massive possession stake they should by all means penetrate...and by the time they realised they should kick they had not organised themselves into a defensive line enough to have a good kick chase before the game let alone during it.

In fairness to the Brumbies this arroganmce is a virus that affects talented teams. All Black arrogance has cost us too many RWC&#39;s.

[shiznit]

Originally posted by Boomslangnz@Mar 5 2006, 09:51 PM
well your bitching about mccaws try which was pretty damn obvious that it had been scored...but what about hamiltons disallowed try after about 15-20 mins when ref said there was a crusader knock on when it was clearly off senios boot and should have been a try.

Blues suck mate. Build a bridge and get over that fact.
your superman are you? how is that obvious? for all we know he could have lost the ball. you cannot give a try if you cant see the ball being grounded.

i take your point about hamiltons try. that was definately a try. shows how crap the ref was.

it doesnt change the fact that joe roc should never have been sent to the bin. that was at a crucial point in the game which probably wouldnt have affected the result of the game but the score wouldnt have blown out

[woosaah]

i was shocked to see them give mccaws try, and that rocco got sent to the bin.

but i thought auckland played alright for the first half and then dropped off. they scored the first 10 points and didnt score again in the match there is something wrong with the team as a whole, you cant blame one or two players. there are 15 on the field, and didnt look like they were working much as a unit.

i agree alot with what gg said :) good stuff to you :)

[shiznit]

the backs were pretty terrible. the forwards for mine were actually pretty good. the line-out is certainly a concern but the scrum was very good. we need to sort out our inside backs because we really strugle to get the ball to the wingers. i might change my mind on the backline now. i think i will go for McCalister, Tipoki & Tuitavake. give the harbour boys ago. we certainly cant do any worse.

[Ripper]

Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 6 2006, 11:52 AM
i was shocked to see them give mccaws try, and that rocco got sent to the bin.

but i thought auckland played alright for the first half and then dropped off. they scored the first 10 points and didnt score again in the match there is something wrong with the team as a whole, you cant blame one or two players. there are 15 on the field, and didnt look like they were working much as a unit.

i agree alot with what gg said :) good stuff to you :)
Yes we can.

Lavea is holding this team back.

If we had McAlister at fly half, I would be about 60% sure we wouldve won this game. Tuitavakie must be getting pissy, if we had a fly half who wasn&#39;t as shit as Leon McDonald he would already have the AB centre jersey all sealed since Smith broke his legs.

And Flavell has been on fire... anyone see the Dominion Post? They had Ruben Thorne ahead of him in the team of the week...

Although I question the point of this list when it also says "Who we want to see in the Black Jersey" and it has Fa&#39;atau in it... even my Grandma knows that he can&#39;t play for the All Blacks, and she&#39;s been dead 12 years.

[Gay-Guy]

Tuitavake won&#39;t be in the AB team for a while because AB selectors when looking for soemone to fill Tana&#39;s shoes will be looking for a defensive coordinator. Tuitavake has been shown up a few times on defence in his career...maybe a bit too much for the selectors liking. Nonu also has the same problem defensively.

Took years to replace Frank Bunce,,,and when Umaga finally established himself it was time to retire. Now it may take years to replace Umaga as at the moment there is no one who is known as a midfield defemsive rock in all the NZ franchises.

Tuitupou is good on defence but he cannot pass or grubber for his outsides the way a real centre can. Laulala has been found to miss a few tackles as has Caleb Ralph.

Really our best chances for an all Black centre lie in two players at the moment.
The Chiefs Mils Muliaiina and Rico Gear. A good distributor of the ball Mils has all the goods on attack. His only flaw is the ability to smash any players trying the crash ball. Rico Gear though has a more punishing tackle and can also pass the ball and grubber effectively. Yet he still needs to show himself to be available the way Mortlock does with his workrate. The step from winger to centre is almost like re-learning how to play rugby....Tana took years to get the hang of it.

So I think for the Crusaders putting Ralph at centre ahead of Gear is not the best thing to do for the Crusaders or the All Blacks.

[sambãd5]

millsy should stay at full back. reason being: whos going to fill his shoes? leon sucks. ward hasnt had game time. i suspect that new kid (whos name i have forgotten, the 20min of npc turned ab guy) has not yet developed into a 1st class player, and would only be even in contention come world cup year, when it will be too late.

nonu will be our 13, and will be until smith comes back. hes got the attacking skills of tana, and i mean, hes not awful at defence. (remember when he tackled that streaker?)

how longs mcallister out? i would like to see what would happen if we had a inside paring of carter and mcalliser...

[Ripper]

Mils should stay at Fullback, like Sambad said due to lack of replacements. Anybody who says Leon McDonald is good enough are going to get a visit from me and Sambad (I&#39;m looking at you Woosaah). Although I must admit Toeava has looked preety flash so far. If Tipoki wasn&#39;t so old he could be in with a sniff for the centre spot in my opinion.

Rico Gear is the Number One wing at the moment in the NZ - Therefore the world so once again, whats the point at moving him to centre? the last thing we need is the same sort of debacle we had with Cullen at the 99 World Cup

Nonu IMO should be used as an impact player at International Level, I just don&#39;t see him as an 80 minute guy in the black jersey.

[Ripper]

[The TRUTH]

15.Ben Blair?

[Gay-Guy]

Originally posted by The TRUTH!!@Mar 6 2006, 08:25 PM
15.Ben Blair?
Hahahahahahaha!

He had his moment of AB glory in 2001.

Those Brumbies wingers never did catch Blairs identity as they trampled him over and over again.

[Dumbo]

15. Mills/Leon

Easy... Nothing wrong with Leon (as long as he&#39;s not playing 10 or 13).
That&#39;s my opinion. If you that much of a problem with it, will supply my address if you want to sort it out personally.

13. ???
Haven’t seen anything from the Blues that&#39;s worth while, haven’t seen anything from the Chief&#39;s (unless you count one effort from Mils), Canes have got two possible’s, Highlanders haven’t got much either, Crusaders at this stage have got NOTHING (this game could of been REALLY BAD for the Blues if Ralph had a good day, instead of the sh*t effort he put in on the weekend).

And now for another thing, McAllways hurt... think you guys call him McAlister, I like the guy... but how you respect someone that gets taken off the pitch after running into Evans? Evans for f&*k&#39;s sake???

Think to stay on topic someone should start a new post on potential AB&#39;s based on current form (the whole 22).

[Serge]

:rolleyes: Leon has had a fantastic year so far and will be in Black at the end of the year.

And yeah the young Wellington fullback has also been awesome this year as someone said.

[Dumbo]

Agree entirely, must be an Auckland thing...

[woosaah]

i think macdonald at fullback :P (at you ripper) gear at right wing, left wing, would have to be sivivatu. centre? yeah that will be an interesting call, would have put smith there, defintaly have nonu off the bench to cover wing and centre, but a starting centre, we seam to be a bit short at the moment. Maybe laulala? or maybe bring him off the bench and start nonu.

i am undecided :)

[Ripper]

Originally posted by Dumbo@Mar 6 2006, 10:58 PM
Agree entirely, must be an Auckland thing...
Yeah, must be an Auckland thing to think that a guy who is easily shattered and knocked out, has the punting game of Lavea and the speed of an old grandma shouldn&#39;t be the All Black Fullback...


And now for another thing, McAllways hurt... think you guys call him McAlister, I like the guy... but how you respect someone that gets taken off the pitch after running into Evans? Evans for f&*k&#39;s sake???[/b]

Yeah, imagine that, a player breaking his jaw and coming of the field...

[Dumbo]

Yup, it&#39;s an Auckland thing

[Ripper]

Oh, good, you had me worried there...

So, where abouts in Melbourne do you live? Me and Sambad do a Door to Door baseball bat beating service over there, as long as you aren&#39;t in St Kilda, North Melbourne or Footscray we deliver.

[Dumbo]

Keep saving that pocket money and you just might make it...
You did get 2 things right... North Melbourne and Footscray are sh&tholes.
St Kilda though? depends what your into I guess.

[Ripper]

Originally posted by Dumbo@Mar 7 2006, 10:16 PM
Keep saving that pocket money and you just might make it...
You did get 2 things right... North Melbourne and Footscray are sh&tholes.
St Kilda though? depends what your into I guess.
St Kilda = The Beach

The Beach = Needles from Heroin Junkies.

Therefore St Kilda = a No Fly Zone.

And it&#39;s full of inbred Saints Fans anyways.

[Dumbo]

Yup, can&#39;t argue with that.

Back on topic, when does McAllwayshurt get back?

[woosaah]

never cause he is always hurt :D

[Ripper]

Originally posted by woosaah@Mar 8 2006, 12:17 PM
never cause he is always hurt :D
Not always injured enough not to clean up Leon McDonalds mess during last years Tri Nations...

[Dumbo]

And sadly thats the last momumental game he played... long long long time ago ripper...