View Full Version : Super 14 FINAL - Crusaders v Hurricanes
The inaugral Super 14 final takes place this Saturday between the Crusaders and Hurricanes in Christchurch.
Right then... finals are finally here (and we call start looking forward to a couple of internationals then the Tri Nations).
The Canes battled the Tahs (when they shouldn't have had to since the dominated all but the score) whilst the Crusaders smashed the Bulls with an extremely convincing win.
The Crusaders would have to be the favourites to take it out for another year BUT the Canes have a the ability to attack from any ware plus they'll be wanting to send Tana off in grand style.
Graham Henry I think will be freakin' that both sides don't kill each other as the internationals loom and Ritchie will hope he's not going to get throttled again (how the hell did the idiot from the Canes not get suspended for that!?).
Personally I'm going for the Crusaders due to them having the brains to win a game of rugby, hoping for a dry pitch, plenty of running out wide, bit hits in the mid field, a hell of a battle in the lose forwards and a game played with spirit.
This game is almost NZa vs NZb (just mixed up that’s all)... 9. Weepu, 10. Carter, 11. Missing, 12. Mauger, 13. Nonu, 14. Gear, 15. McDonald
The BIG question is... is anyone going to bother watching from Australia or South Africa?
Originally posted by Dumbo@May 21 2006, 03:55 PM
The BIG question is... is anyone going to bother watching from Australia or South Africa?
The ratings will be very low here.
I'm starting to doubt the concept of the Super 14. Surely it would be better in terms of rugby development if each nation just concentrated on their own indiviudal league. We could even have a shortened version of soccer's Champions League with the top 2 or 3 teams from each competiting for the Southern Hemisphere's best. That way we'd be able to develop more talent, sustain more interest from the public / media and still have the excitment (but in the case of Champions League there would obviously be somewhat more) you get when provincial teams play a team from another country.
Disagree completely.
Agree that there should be more emphasis on a nations internal Rugby, hold on - NZ's got the NPC and South Africa has the Currie Cup... Australia has got what?
And if Australia didn't have the Super 14 then what would you have?
As a Kiwi I'm happy with the way things are managed in NZ... NPC, Super 14 and then National squad. From what I can make out from the South Africans that I've spoken to are happy with their setup (they'd just like to win more).
Comes down to how things are managed within your country, I realise that there is a lot of competition for athletes and fans a like in Australia across the different codes (Union, League and AFL)... and only one of them has a world cup.
Maybe you’re just bummed out because of the way Australia ended up?
woosaah
21-05-06, 05:01 AM
league has a world cup
its just crap
but i do agree that aussie need another compitition, they need one like the nrl that would be good for the game over there imo.
as far as i know they only have the super 14 and they do do well even if that is their own competition.
and i think now with the air new zealand cup the new zealand teams can only get stronger.
crusaders should completly dominate the canes. if they played like they did last night i dont see the canes coming close
but i do think it will be a close game :)
Candyman
21-05-06, 05:15 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@May 21 2006, 05:01 PM
league has a world cup
its just crap
but i do agree that aussie need another compitition, they need one like the nrl that would be good for the game over there imo.
as far as i know they only have the super 14 and they do do well even if that is their own competition.
and i think now with the air new zealand cup the new zealand teams can only get stronger.
crusaders should completly dominate the canes. if they played like they did last night i dont see the canes coming close
but i do think it will be a close game :)
I do agree with you woosah the aussies do need another comp like the NPC or something to sharpen there skills and get stronger...I saying that doesn't south africa have another comp so why aren't they stronger in that sense
O'Neil probably would've probably already set one up if it wasn't for politics in the ARU.
Look how quickly he has guided that new Soccer comp up.
quite simply super 14 brings in the money because it is played internationally. tv rights etc is all valuable money and without the super 14 there would not be as much money coming in. if there was no super 14 australian rugby would go downhill very fast imo.
crusaders I think will be too strong and win against the hurricanes. hopefully the hurricanes put up a good fight but I really can't seem them winining. The crusaders are just unstoppable at jade and think they will notch up game no 19 unbeatn there since feb 2004.
Originally posted by Dumbo@May 21 2006, 03:30 PM
Comes down to how things are managed within your country, I realise that there is a lot of competition for athletes and fans a like in Australia across the different codes (Union, League and AFL)... and only one of them has a world cup.
Not really... Soccer numbers are pretty high here nowadays and is starting to gain legitimacy (unfortunately), so Rugby isn't the only sport that can claim international significance over here now.
THE CHIROPRACTOR101
21-05-06, 09:45 AM
go the canes!
Yup Soccer has come out of nowhere... even I'm going to the game against Greece (free ticket, free grog, I'm in)... also soccer has been managed well here (includes marketing) plus the soccerwho's have got through.
I reckon something has to give... soccer will only build momentum, the biggest loser could be AFL (stupid idea that salary cap... stupid), the biggest winner could be Union and the Super 14.
Now that Western Australia has a team (and looking at the turn out's for their home games have got one hell of a fan base) and that team starts winning against the other teams then there's something to work on
But this post is about the final, Australia's not in it and thats whats important
f*** yeah!
This should be an excellent match. A couple of weeks ago Collins came out and said that the team spirit was bloody high, and they were going to give their all to the Waratahs to clinch the Home semi... Last week was the same. He said that now they've got the home semi, they have to win to get their first final in the 10 years that they've been thereabouts good enough.... This week the Canes will go down south and put up a massive struggle with the Crusaders... This will definitely be no easy win for the Crusaders. Certainly not a guaranteed win. If the rest of the Canes are like Collins, they really want it.
Massive contest though... Canes have the best backrow, even if they don't have Richie. Canes on paper are the better team individually with Weepu, Eaton, the Bouncers, Fa'atau, Nonu, Umaga... And the forwards were massive last week. Crusaders have Carter, MacDonald, McCaw, Gear and Jack as the real stars, but as a team they are amazing. They know eachother very well, and have been coached excellently.
Should be a great game for a New Zealander...
Originally posted by kaftka@May 21 2006, 09:57 AM
Should be a great game for a New Zealander...
....and rugby lovers alike... :P
Go Canes!!
I hate Dan Carter........
Have always had a softer spot (for a kiwi team), for the Canes - Big fan of Umaga, Nonu, and Jonah (even though not playing now)
This game will rate very well in australia
We got more KIWIS here than they have :P
Originally posted by ak47@May 22 2006, 01:55 PM
This game will rate very well in australia
We got more KIWIS here than they have :P
lol, True. I just hope that they try and belt the crap out of each other! One of the things that is a little dull about kiwi local derbies IMO is that you guys don't hate eachother enough... You just don't get matches with that massive feeling of spite all throughout like we have with NSW v QLD. Man, wouldn't that be an unreal S14 final? It won't happen for some years to be sure, but NSW v QLD final at either Suncorp or Telstra!! The atmosphere would be so hostile and electric! The atmosphere would be like the Heiniken Cup final!
well big blow for the crusaders and proabbly the all blacks with yound andy ellis ruled out for at least six weeks due to a medial ligament tear.
ellis was a certianity imo to make the abs squad but that is now gone due to injury.
(source for news about the injury is from tvnz.co.nz)
kevin senio should do a good job but ellis has the best pass out of any halfback in nz at the moment and will be missed.
Soccer is popular now in Australia due to the fact they qualified for the WC! After thatm, for another 4 years there will be silence, Australia is playing in the Oceania zone and they have no competition ! I dunno exactly but in previous World cup qualification games they destroyed Western or American Samoa by 34 to 0 (no guys, it wasn`t a rugby score, it was a footie one LOL).
Australia need a RU internal competition! They have something like that in NSW (most of the teams from Sydney and neighbourings) but it have to be national! They can`t have that due to RL and AFL influence !
How are the ratings going to be for this final in SA or Australia? Obviously, lower than the ratings for a game with an Aus, SA team! Nevertheless ppl here like rugby and i bet they`ll watch the final!
Coming to the game, of course, for everone it`s obvious Crusaders are the favorites! Don`t underestimate Canes, in fact, they`ve got nothing to lose and that makes them very powerful!
Originally posted by esoj@May 22 2006, 04:53 PM
well big blow for the crusaders and proabbly the all blacks with yound andy ellis ruled out for at least six weeks due to a medial ligament tear.
ellis was a certianity imo to make the abs squad but that is now gone due to injury.
(source for news about the injury is from tvnz.co.nz)
kevin senio should do a good job but ellis has the best pass out of any halfback in nz at the moment and will be missed.
Canterbury stole the wrong Senio.
Gay-Guy
22-05-06, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Ripper+May 22 2006, 08:04 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 22 2006, 04:53 PM
well big blow for the crusaders and proabbly the all blacks with yound andy ellis ruled out for at least six weeks due to a medial ligament tear.
ellis was a certianity imo to make the abs squad but that is now gone due to injury.
(source for news about the injury is from tvnz.co.nz)
kevin senio should do a good job but ellis has the best pass out of any halfback in nz at the moment and will be missed.
Canterbury stole the wrong Senio. [/b]
....yeah...Kevin sucks this season....when Ellis replaced Senio in one of the early games it became obvious that the Crusaders had a new No9.
....however in saying that.....this final may be the game where Senio will finally get his act together nd show the selectors that he is on the same level as Weepu.
shiznit
22-05-06, 10:03 AM
i actually agree 100% with wally. get rid of the super14 all together. a champions league type comp for provincial teams would be awesome the top 5 teams can play in a champions league and the bottom 5 can play a knockout cup like the UEFA cup. then you would get passion into the competition. you would have the shield involved for kiwi teams and the season wouldnt be so long too.
Not a bad concept in principal, Australia just seems to be the odd man out.
The Super 14 is the top tear of provincial rugby, using NZ as an example - the NPC creates a space for the up and comers to play and be recognised, secondary beneifit is that they get to play along side (occasionally) the best that the country has to offer, it's backed 100% by the locals (think someone even said that they'd rather watch that than the Super 14).
The Super 14 is the pre-stage to internationals - NPC then, Super 14, then Internationals... long season. For me it's just more rugby and an opportunity to watch players from all three nations... I'm stoked.
This year (due to finally getting foxtel) I didn’t have to put up 24x7 AFL bull****, more rugby, more entertainment
I think both of Canterbury's halfbacks are average, Kevin has actually got worse playing for Canterbury. I was expecting it to be the opposite. I'm waiting for Marshall to come home.
Ellis for my money will figure in the future of the All Blacks... him and Weepu.
Just remember hes the guy feedin' Carter (and Carter isn't going anyware)
I don't know Dumbo... Dan reckons he may want to come and play inside me sometime in Hawkes Bay. He's going to call me.
dobrien7
23-05-06, 05:04 AM
For a date? Cos that sounds reeeeeally dodgy lol :P
Gay-Guy
23-05-06, 05:22 AM
Inside you sounds really dodgy too......
Way to pick up on the not-so subtleties in my post...
Misinterpretation perhaps?
Absolutely not. I'm a Halfback.
dobrien7
23-05-06, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by Gay-Guy@May 23 2006, 05:22 PM
Inside you sounds really dodgy too......
Along the lines of what I was meaning, so yes... :P
Gay-Guy
23-05-06, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by kaftka@May 23 2006, 05:29 PM
Way to pick up on the not-so subtleties in my post...
Misinterpretation perhaps?
Absolutely not. I'm a Halfback.
If you are a halfback Dan should be playing outside of you...not inside.....
...slip of the tongue....or not... ;)
Candyman
23-05-06, 09:07 AM
Here is one just for chiropractor.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6348/gohurricanes3kp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Well not sure who's gonna win but these gay sigs just have to stop
woosaah
24-05-06, 02:45 AM
that coming from you is a laugh :P
Candyman
24-05-06, 02:46 AM
Originally posted by Dumbo@May 24 2006, 02:38 PM
Well not sure who's gonna win but these gay sigs just have to stop
Its not a gay sig and thanks woosah for the support
woosaah
24-05-06, 03:02 AM
no wasnt any support for your gay sig btw
i was hassling him for losing the bet and having the gayiest signature ever known to man
though he has gotten rid of all of his sig
man i hope canterbury win, i couldnt stand a day at work next week if we lose
Candyman
24-05-06, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@May 24 2006, 03:02 PM
no wasnt any support for your gay sig btw
i was hassling him for losing the bet and having the gayiest signature ever known to man
though he has gotten rid of all of his sig
man i hope canterbury win, i couldnt stand a day at work next week if we lose
I know it wasn't for my sig....but i only did that cause chiropractor asked if i could so did one up
Don't like taling about that woosaah BUT having more experiance about gay sigs than anyone on this forum... I'm not a fag or nothin' but thats a really suspect sig.
Candyman
24-05-06, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by Dumbo@May 24 2006, 06:00 PM
Don't like taling about that woosaah BUT having more experiance about gay sigs than anyone on this forum... I'm not a fag or nothin' but thats a really suspect sig.
Whats suspect about it i don't think there is and i have not heard anyone else say it so i think you better keep your gay opinons to yourself until you know who your talking to a bit better ok :%#%#:
woosaah
24-05-06, 08:10 AM
hey!!! i said it was gay the first time i saw it
:)
but remember its all in a bit of fun (though seriously it is gay cause its like he is taking a crap)
Candyman
24-05-06, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@May 24 2006, 08:10 PM
hey!!! i said it was gay the first time i saw it
:)
but remember its all in a bit of fun (though seriously it is gay cause its like he is taking a crap)
Well i don't see anything gay about it....At least my actvator isn't talking about pedophiles and babies sucking on them now thats just wrong <_<
Originally posted by Gay-Guy+May 23 2006, 05:54 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-kaftka@May 23 2006, 05:29 PM
Way to pick up on the not-so subtleties in my post...
Misinterpretation perhaps?
Absolutely not. I'm a Halfback.
If you are a halfback Dan should be playing outside of you...not inside.....
...slip of the tongue....or not... ;) [/b]
What are you talking about? This isn't about rugby! :mellow:
[edit] Oh yeah... There may be a slip of the toungue here and there. Maybe, maybe not.
woosaah
24-05-06, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Candyman+May 24 2006, 09:20 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-woosaah@May 24 2006, 08:10 PM
hey!!! i said it was gay the first time i saw it
:)
but remember its all in a bit of fun (though seriously it is gay cause its like he is taking a crap)
Well i don't see anything gay about it....At least my actvator isn't talking about pedophiles and babies sucking on them now thats just wrong <_< [/b]
its funny if you saw the eppisode
really download some rvb you will like it :)
Candyman
24-05-06, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by woosaah+May 25 2006, 10:05 AM-->
Originally posted by Candyman@May 24 2006, 09:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-woosaah@May 24 2006, 08:10 PM
hey!!! i said it was gay the first time i saw it
:)
but remember its all in a bit of fun (though seriously it is gay cause its like he is taking a crap)
Well i don't see anything gay about it....At least my actvator isn't talking about pedophiles and babies sucking on them now thats just wrong <_<
its funny if you saw the eppisode
really download some rvb you will like it :) [/b]
Oh ok i didn't realise but if there were other people like me that have not seen it they would take that as being very dodgy
dobrien7
24-05-06, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by woosaah@May 25 2006, 10:05 AM
its funny if you saw the episode
really download some rvb you will like it :)
Care to recommend any eps in particular please as never even heard of it before?
woosaah
25-05-06, 01:02 AM
all eppisodes the one in my sig is from near the end of season 2
if you see me on msn i can send you a few as i have all 4 seasons :P it starts of slow but after season 2 you will never want to stop :)
Thorne back at blindside for Crusaders
25 May 2006*
Reuben Thorne returns to his favoured blindside flanker's job and Ross Filipo has been inserted at lock as expected in the Crusaders' run-on side for Saturday night's Super 14 final against the Hurricanes.
With first-choice halfback Andrew Ellis out with a medial ligament (knee) injury, Kevin Senio will start in the No. 9 jersey, with first five-eighth Dan Carter the back-up halfback.
Thorne's return to No. 6 after two games at lock and Filipo's inclusion suggests that coach Robbie Dean has opted for a bit more grunt in his pack than the mobility he wanted against the Bulls in last week's semifinal.
Otherwise, the Crusaders' run-on side is similar to the semifinal line-up, with the steady Caleb Ralph on the bench, Scott Hamilton and Rico Gear on the wings and Casey Laulala at centre.
Team: Leon MacDonald, Rico Gear, Casey Laulala, Aaron Mauger, Scott Hamilton, Daniel Carter, Kevin Senio, Mose Tuiali'i, Richie McCaw (captain), Reuben Thorne, Ross Filipo, Chris Jack, Greg Somerville, Corey Flynn, Wyatt Crockett
Reserves: Caleb Ralph, Cameron McIntyre, Stephen Brett, Tanerau Latimer, Johnny Leo'o, Campbell Johnstone, Tone Kopelani
[/b]
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3679705a1823,00.html
Nonu ready to roar in final
25 May 2006*
By JIM KAYES
Ma'a Nonu has declared himself fit to start for the Hurricanes against the Crusaders in Saturday night's Super 14 final in Christchurch.
The midfielder took a full part in training yesterday and, though his troublesome right thigh was again heavily strapped, he was confident he would be okay.
"It's not too bad today. Yesterday it was pretty sore, but today's going all right."
If he is okay, Nonu is likely to be part of an unchanged team that he believes has made a key attitude shift from last year, when the Hurricanes were thumped 47-7 by the Crusaders in the semifinal.
"This year is different from last year. We wanted to be in the top four last year, this year we want to go all the way."
Saying it is one thing, but as Nonu – who has never won at Jade Stadium with Wellington or the Hurricanes – knows, doing it is a tougher job.
The Crusaders have won five of the seven Super 12 finals they have played in, losing only to the Blues in 2003 and the Brumbies a year later. They are formidable at home, with an unbeaten record at Jade Stadium going back to the second round of the 2004 Super 12.
Nonu admitted Jade Stadium was an intimidating place, but the final was an ideal chance to "give it another crack".
He was in rampaging form in the consecutive wins against the Waratahs and his linebreaks, and combination with Tana Umaga, are a key part of the Hurricanes' gameplan.
He is hopeful that he and Umaga can provide the winning of the match. "Possibly, if we get enough ball, if they don't pinch it all the time and that No. 7 (Richie McCaw) doesn't get in there.
"Hopefully, we won't have any scraps like last time. We want a clean game."
Nonu and Umaga will mark fellow All Blacks Aaron Mauger and Casey Laulala in what shapes as a test of the Crusaders' tackling, as neither player is a robust defender.
Nonu, perhaps diplomatically, disputed that. "They are good defenders. Aaron's pretty strong and Casey has improved, so it will be a tough game."
Meanwhile, The Press believes Daniel Carter will be the Crusaders' halfback cover on Saturday.
Kevin Senio will start in place of the injured Andrew Ellis, and coach Robbie Deans had to choose between the inexperienced Matt France or Carter as cover.
France has no first-class experience but is a specialist halfback and will be familiar with the team's calls, defensive systems and plays. However, Carter has the talent, covering while Senio was in the blood bin last week.
He also played briefly at halfback for the All Blacks during the 2003 World Cup, deputising for six minutes after Justin Marshall had been substituted.
Should Carter be forced into halfback, reserve Cameron McIntyre would play at pivot or Leon MacDonald could move into the front line from fullback.
Both sides are named today.
Hurricanes (likely): Isaia Toeava, Lome Fa'atau, Ma'a Nonu, Tana Umaga, Shannon Paku, David Holwell, Piri Weepu, Rodney So'oialo, Chris Masoe, Jerry Collins, Jason Eaton, Paul Tito, Neemia Tialata, Andrew Hore, John Schwalger. Reserves: Luke Mahoney, Joe McDonnell, Luke Andrews, Thomas Waldrom, Brendan Haami, Jimmy Gopperth, Tamati Ellison.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3678896a1823,00.html
Originally posted by Candyman+May 25 2006, 10:18 AM-->
Originally posted by woosaah@May 25 2006, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Candyman@May 24 2006, 09:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-woosaah@May 24 2006, 08:10 PM
hey!!! i said it was gay the first time i saw it
:)
but remember its all in a bit of fun (though seriously it is gay cause its like he is taking a crap)
Well i don't see anything gay about it....At least my actvator isn't talking about pedophiles and babies sucking on them now thats just wrong <_<
its funny if you saw the eppisode
really download some rvb you will like it :)
Oh ok i didn't realise but if there were other people like me that have not seen it they would take that as being very dodgy [/b]
I haven't seen the episode but I found it tummy-achingly hilarious. You calling me dodgy? :bana:
Candyman
25-05-06, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by kaftka+May 25 2006, 02:36 PM-->
Originally posted by Candyman@May 25 2006, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@May 25 2006, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Candyman@May 24 2006, 09:20 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-woosaah@May 24 2006, 08:10 PM
hey!!! i said it was gay the first time i saw it
:)
but remember its all in a bit of fun (though seriously it is gay cause its like he is taking a crap)
Well i don't see anything gay about it....At least my actvator isn't talking about pedophiles and babies sucking on them now thats just wrong <_<
its funny if you saw the eppisode
really download some rvb you will like it :)
Oh ok i didn't realise but if there were other people like me that have not seen it they would take that as being very dodgy
I haven't seen the episode but I found it tummy-achingly hilarious. You calling me dodgy? :bana: [/b]
what ever tickles your pink
sick sick sick
dobrien7
25-05-06, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by woosaah@May 25 2006, 01:02 PM
all eppisodes the one in my sig is from near the end of season 2
if you see me on msn i can send you a few as i have all 4 seasons :P it starts of slow but after season 2 you will never want to stop :)
Sweet as will keep an eye out :)
woosaah
25-05-06, 03:24 AM
yeah its missing a line, after that church says something about it being a pacifier and tucker says something like this..
"oh dude yeah i was tottally thinking of something else" or something like that :)
very funny :)
Head to Head:
Crusaders: 1 - Wyatt Crockett, 2 - Corey Flynn, 3 - Greg Sommerville, 4 - Chris Jack, 5 - Ross Filipo, 6 - Reuben Thorne, 7 - Richie McCaw (Captain), 8 - Mose Tuiali'i, 9 - Kevin Senio, 10 - Dan Carter, 11 - Scott Hamilton, 12 - Aaron Mauger, 13 - Casey Laulala, 14 - Rico Gear, 15 - Leon MacDonald.
Reserves: 16 - Tone Kopelani, 17 - Campbell Johnstone, 18 - Johnny Leo'o, 19 - Tanerau Latimer, 20 - Stephen Brett, 21 - Cameron McIntyre, 22 - Caleb Ralph.
Hurricanes: 1 - John Schwalger, 2 - Andrew Hore, 3 - Neemia Tialata, 4 - Paul Tito, 5 - Jason Eaton, 6 - Jerry Collins, 7 - Chris Masoe, 8 - Rodney So'oialo, 9 - Piri Weepu, 10 - David Holwell, 11 - Shannon Paku, 12 - Tana Umaga, 13 - Ma'a Nonu, 14 - Lome Fa'atau, 15 - Isaia Toeava.
Reserves: 16 - Luke Mahoney, 17 - Joe McDonnell, 18 - Luke Andrews, 19 - Thomas Waldrom, 20 - Brendan Haami, 21, Jimmy Gopperth, 22 - Tamati Ellison.
woosaah
25-05-06, 03:55 AM
head to head i would go for canterbury
but if i take off my red and black eye patch
i am going to go for canterbury
wait.. i cant take off my eye patch
CANTERBURY
crusaders will win this for me anyway. they have been the stand out team all year and will be too classy again. hurricanes hopefully will make it interesting and close but I think they will choke and the cantabs will eventually win.
What a great game this should be.
Crusaders have learnt this year not to get complacent... They WILL bring their A game.
Hurricanes have been steadily improving, and are pretty good at winning the tight games.
They really need to break the Crusaders down throughout the match, as they just come on very strong at the end. The Canes really need to be in the lead by the 60minute mark to keep their momentum going for the last 20 minutes. If they are down, then you can expect the Crusaders to put them away.
The Crusaders are expected to win, but if the Canes bring their best then we should be in for a cracker. They have the right headspace for it, they just need to excecute.
I read the odds on this game in the paper, can't remember what they were, but I may very well put 20 bucks on the Canes.
GO THE CANES!!!
I'm going in with an open mind... could go either way...
In other words you're sitting on the fence?
Yup, and just hoping that both teams don't smash each other.
Mehrtsisagod
25-05-06, 12:57 PM
So which Umaga will show up for the game?
This one
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9408/05791608009cx.jpg
OR
this one?
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/359/043006umaga16qy.jpg
loratadine
25-05-06, 01:42 PM
ummm togh one to call but im saying,
crusaders 29
hurricanes 22
is that tialata the guy who has signed for the scarlets next year, is he any good, i dont know too much about him.
allblacksfreak
25-05-06, 03:11 PM
Tialata, is alrite...
woosaah
25-05-06, 09:43 PM
tialata is a hack
havnt liked him since he strangled mccaw, and b4 that i didnt know who he was O.o
Arnold Rimmer
25-05-06, 09:48 PM
(Referring to Thursdays gay-down between, Candyman and Woosaah. Posted Above)
I'm pleased to see you two care so much about this weekends Super 14 game. It seems to have been Homo-sexual innuendo day for those two above.
As for the game, I believe there'll be more than a couple of serious injuries to the All Black squad this weekend. One of which will be one of the six loose forwards on display. The way those match-ups are shaping up, I wouldn't mind betting there could be some serious concerns ahead for Mr Henry.
Candyman
25-05-06, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Arnold Rimmer@May 26 2006, 09:48 AM
(Referring to Thursdays gay-down between, Candyman and Woosaah. Posted Above)
I'm pleased to see you two care so much about this weekends Super 14 game. It seems to have been Homo-sexual innuendo day for those two above.
Well this coming from a guy who has the last RIMMER
woosaah
26-05-06, 12:42 AM
i think tiatia is going to scarlets? dont think its tialata
EDIT
no tiatia going to ospreys
Originally posted by Arnold Rimmer@May 26 2006, 10:48 AM
(Referring to Thursdays gay-down between, Candyman and Woosaah. Posted Above)
I'm pleased to see you two care so much about this weekends Super 14 game. It seems to have been Homo-sexual innuendo day for those two above.
As for the game, I believe there'll be more than a couple of serious injuries to the All Black squad this weekend. One of which will be one of the six loose forwards on display. The way those match-ups are shaping up, I wouldn't mind betting there could be some serious concerns ahead for Mr Henry.
you are new here so you are excused this once for making a stupid comment.
you have to understand at trf most of us like to joke and banter. these 2 guys love their rugby to bits and were just messing around. lots of topics go this way. you will understand more in due time how this community works.
I didn't think tialata was going anywhere yet.
filo tiata is though. he is coming over from japan to join the ospreys I think it is
woosaah
26-05-06, 01:10 AM
thanks esoj :) i was just going to let that one go as he is new here. its all in good fun, if you cant laugh at yourselves who can you laugh at?
and we did go back on topic :)
Gay-Guy
26-05-06, 01:23 AM
Hmmmmm....but I am always serious about my preference :P
Originally posted by woosaah@May 26 2006, 02:10 PM
thanks esoj :) i was just going to let that one go as he is new here. its all in good fun, if you cant laugh at yourselves who can you laugh at?
and we did go back on topic :)
hehe no problem. someone had to tell him eventually. and yeah most of the time we normally need up back on topic or close to it.
I still think the crusaders have this pretty much in the bag. the hurricanes will have to play really well to win
Candyman
26-05-06, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by esoj+May 26 2006, 01:02 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Arnold Rimmer@May 26 2006, 10:48 AM
(Referring to Thursdays gay-down between, Candyman and Woosaah. Posted Above)
I'm pleased to see you two care so much about this weekends Super 14 game. It seems to have been Homo-sexual innuendo day for those two above.
As for the game, I believe there'll be more than a couple of serious injuries to the All Black squad this weekend. One of which will be one of the six loose forwards on display. The way those match-ups are shaping up, I wouldn't mind betting there could be some serious concerns ahead for Mr Henry.
you are new here so you are excused this once for making a stupid comment.
you have to understand at trf most of us like to joke and banter. these 2 guys love their rugby to bits and were just messing around. lots of topics go this way. you will understand more in due time how this community works.
I didn't think tialata was going anywhere yet.
filo tiata is though. he is coming over from japan to join the ospreys I think it is [/b]
Hey thanks esoj for saying something i didn't know what to say without sounding nasty and you said it perfectly :bravo:
no problems man. I know what you mean about being nasty.
You guys are pants... Seriously... Am I the only one who thought Rimmer was extending the joke? I've seen a lot of his other posts today, and he doesn't exactly seem like the most serious of fellas... Let it slide man...
Men...
[edit] oh, and welcome to the forum, Arnold... If that is your real name.
GO HURRICANES!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0000000000OOOOOOOO0O0O0OOOOOO. .....t
woosaah
26-05-06, 03:33 AM
your sig would be better if insead of white on the bottom right if it was the post blue color :)
that would be cool man
i am bored i might make myself a huge sig
meh i am not that bored
Mate. That sig took literally three minutes.
...Well, actually five. I had to wait for The GIMP to load... Then I had to spend twice as much time as it should have switching between the fricking windows because the useless program is a heap of **** and... Just shut up. All of you.
Stupid Linux...
woosaah
26-05-06, 03:49 AM
http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~woosaah/bigbird19fo.jpg
take that one then, but it still doesnt look quite right does it
2 many saves 2 much loss of quality
Gay-Guy
26-05-06, 04:02 AM
Originally posted by kaftka@May 26 2006, 03:38 PM
Mate. That sig took literally three minutes.
...Well, actually five. I had to wait for The GIMP to load... Then I had to spend twice as much time as it should have switching between the fricking windows because the useless program is a heap of **** and... Just shut up. All of you.
Stupid Linux...
Do yopu have linux ubuntu?
i have installed it on 2 computers at home but we never use them cos ICAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ON THE NET????????.....HOW DO I GET MY DIAL UP ISP?????
woosaah
26-05-06, 04:04 AM
what version of lunix you running? and does your modem in these computers have a driver for them?
Candyman
26-05-06, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by kaftka@May 26 2006, 03:30 PM
You guys are pants... Seriously... Am I the only one who thought Rimmer was extending the joke? I've seen a lot of his other posts today, and he doesn't exactly seem like the most serious of fellas... Let it slide man...
Men...
[edit] oh, and welcome to the forum, Arnold... If that is your real name.
It wasn't it was that we had finished what we had been saying and got back on the topic and rimmer tried starting it up again and he is new should learn a bit about the forum members before trying to make gay jokes about people
Thats all :)
yeah pretty much and I don't think he was trying to extend the joke either. and katfka use windows
Originally posted by esoj@May 26 2006, 04:19 PM
yeah pretty much and I don't think he was trying to extend the joke either. and katfka use windows
Windows is just as bad... In fact worse. Windows is good for games and Adobe and Macromedia and thats it...
The only reason I reboot into windows is so I can edit **** and such...
GG, I have Linux Suse 2.2.....Or just 2.
KDE
[edit] Back on topic you f***tards...
Oh, and Rimmer may well have been extending the joke, he may well not have...been. But the thing is, I call everybody gay.... Even gays. Just take it on the chin, that way nobody gets offended.... And people walk right over you. But nobody gets offended...
Back on topic you f***tards...
GO HURRICANES!!!!!
WOOOOOOO000000000O0OOOOOOOOO0O0O0O0O0O........t
I know you do but the poor noob rimmer doesn't know how we roll. anyway he does now and we can get back on topic of the super 14 final which is about 25 hours away from kicking off. the first super 14 final ever should be a great atmosphere at jade.
Thats a tad elitist don't you think?
If I had said the exact same thing, nobody would have given a ****. It doesn't matter... It doesn't matter if he is a newbie or not. That sort of thinking is pretty **** really. Its not like all of us TRF 'veterans' are any better than somebody who joined just recently....Like dobrian and candyman.
All I'm saying is don't judge so harshly... 'tis all.
GO THE CANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHOOPWHOOPWHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!
We south africans are always said to not have a sense of humour and even I can see Rimmer is saving the urine (taking the ****). Here at TRF we like to joke and banter and I can see RImmer will fit right in. Welcome to the forum Rimmer.
....and now for you two gaysaders, whoossy and candybird....I can see a hurricane forming over your precious Gayde stadium!!!!!! Bwahahahahah
Originally posted by Quintes@May 26 2006, 07:28 PM
We south africans are always said to not have a sense of humour and even I can see Rimmer is saving the urine (taking the ****). Here at TRF we like to joke and banter and I can see RImmer will fit right in. Welcome to the forum Rimmer.
....and now for you two gaysaders, whoossy and candybird....I can see a hurricane forming over your precious Gayde stadium!!!!!! Bwahahahahah
lol yeah... Crusader fans are homosexuals. :lol:
:mellow:
dobrien7
26-05-06, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by kaftka@May 26 2006, 07:22 PM
Its not like all of us TRF 'veterans' are any better than somebody who joined just recently....Like dobrian and candyman.
Haha some of us newbies are in fact better :P
And it's dobriEn thank you B)
and yes canterbury rugby is gay :bleh!:
Originally posted by kaftka+May 26 2006, 05:41 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 26 2006, 04:19 PM
yeah pretty much and I don't think he was trying to extend the joke either. and katfka use windows
Windows is just as bad... In fact worse. Windows is good for games and Adobe and Macromedia and thats it...
The only reason I reboot into windows is so I can edit **** and such...
GG, I have Linux Suse 2.2.....Or just 2.
KDE
[edit] Back on topic you f***tards...
Oh, and Rimmer may well have been extending the joke, he may well not have...been. But the thing is, I call everybody gay.... Even gays. Just take it on the chin, that way nobody gets offended.... And people walk right over you. But nobody gets offended...
Back on topic you f***tards...
GO HURRICANES!!!!!
WOOOOOOO000000000O0OOOOOOOOO0O0O0O0O0O........t [/b]
lol sorry if i came across to harsh but it would have been said at some point in another thread and proabbly alot worse. the new guys will always be like this hard to read if they are being serious or not unless it is plainly obvious. everyone knows you around here so of us it would have been funny if you had said it. a new person though it is harder to say with something like he said.
go the hurricanes
Originally posted by woosaah@May 26 2006, 04:04 PM
what version of lunix you running? and does your modem in these computers have a driver for them?
Linux is the system used by Satan.
Originally posted by esoj+May 26 2006, 07:39 PM-->
Originally posted by kaftka+May 26 2006, 05:41 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 26 2006, 04:19 PM
yeah pretty much and I don't think he was trying to extend the joke either. and katfka use windows
Windows is just as bad... In fact worse. Windows is good for games and Adobe and Macromedia and thats it...
The only reason I reboot into windows is so I can edit **** and such...
GG, I have Linux Suse 2.2.....Or just 2.
KDE
[edit] Back on topic you f***tards...
Oh, and Rimmer may well have been extending the joke, he may well not have...been. But the thing is, I call everybody gay.... Even gays. Just take it on the chin, that way nobody gets offended.... And people walk right over you. But nobody gets offended...
Back on topic you f***tards...
GO HURRICANES!!!!!
WOOOOOOO000000000O0OOOOOOOOO0O0O0O0O0O........t [/b]
lol sorry if i came across to harsh but it would have been said at some point in another thread and proabbly alot worse. the new guys will always be like this hard to read if they are being serious or not unless it is plainly obvious. everyone knows you around here so of us it would have been funny if you had said it. a new person though it is harder to say with something like he said.
go the hurricanes [/b]
Fair points... All I'm saying is leave it all alone. Thats what I do. Thats why I became a moderator. Because I don't like doing things. I'd rather ignore things. But no, fair calls...
GO HURRICANES!
<!--QuoteBegin-Some weird Aucklander
Linux is the system used by Satan.
...And thats why he is doing so well today.
indeed ripper is awesome lately. love his posts. yeah fair enough next time I won't say anything and leave it to the mods
Mehrtsisagod
26-05-06, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by kaftka+May 26 2006, 07:31 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Quintes@May 26 2006, 07:28 PM
We south africans are always said to not have a sense of humour and even I can see Rimmer is saving the urine (taking the ****). Here at TRF we like to joke and banter and I can see RImmer will fit right in. Welcome to the forum Rimmer.
....and now for you two gaysaders, whoossy and candybird....I can see a hurricane forming over your precious Gayde stadium!!!!!! Bwahahahahah
lol yeah... Crusader fans are homosexuals. :lol:
:mellow: [/b]
Hey just because those 2 fruitcakes are backing the Crusaders is no need to stereotype us.
Not our fault ever other NZ team can't cut it without giving a gold watch to Kaplan.
woosaah
26-05-06, 12:38 PM
didnt we give a watch to someone?
it was another south african referee, i think it was kaplan, yes it was..
by us it was the canterbury rugby football union supporters club....
he doesnt wear it during games, but he wears it when he is touchy (and canterbury arnt playing) i only know this cause i used to be a member... back in the day when i lived in christchurch O.o and we used to go back to the clubroom and get ****** with my grandad : )
This thread is a good read.
it was bar the post above this one :P
This thread gives good head.
The TRUTH
27-05-06, 07:38 AM
What a joke!!
Why does God hate New Zealand so much?
If only the Australian teams weren't a pack of ****ty chokers.
Um... Rippers right.
I would have said if the Aussies where not a bunch of LOSERS, then things could have been different (at least it’s not raining)
No love lost in this game (if you can see it)
Why do they keep cutting to the cameras up in the stands? you would think they would've realised by now that you may as well just be pointing the cameras in the wrong direction and noone would notice.
Funny that they let the Sideline man chip into the commentry.
Weepu ans Masoe not looking good (I think... bit grey out there)
The TRUTH
27-05-06, 08:29 AM
What does an Australian team not making the final have to do with the fact that New Zealand is a hole?
Even if the Waratahs won the there last two games they still would of had to play in these ****ty conditions.
They should of just postponed the game, it's dangerous for the players and the spectators can't see ****.
The Waratards had their chance when the Crusaders drew the Force and lost to the Stormers.
And we will postpone the game when you replace the Telstra Stadium turf.
Mother nature... kiwi's grow up with it and maybe that’s why they are harder than other countries. I remember as a kid having to go to school with no shoes in that sort of ****, hoping that someone was in front of you so you could follow there foot prints in the fog to try and work out where the hell you where going.
Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch one day will have indoor grounds.
Simple fact is that with 3.5 Million people... there is not enough revenue (it will happen but it just will take time) and the Super 14 with TV rights is the best thing out for NZ.
This weather though is the best thing out for the Canes.
It's over with that Laulala try.
Good thing Once were Warriors is on TV 3.
What becomes of the broken hearted?
Super 14 is a dead set joke. I think it's time SANZAR hits up some salary cappin' because nobody wants to see the Crusaders keep dominating this competition, bar those who support them obviously.
You know your f***ing problem, eh, woman? You're too bloody lippy
loratadine
27-05-06, 09:56 AM
ha ha ha how close was my prediction, pretty darn accurate
i said 29-22 and it finnished 19-12.
Are you stoned? You were 20 points out you mental Welsh goon....No offence.
What an odd game. Gutted that the Canes lost. Glad I didn't put my bet on though. But the Crusaders deserved the win. For sure.
Lol at Mexted at the end talking to whatsherface after the match.
Lady: "And now we go down for an interview with Hurricanes 1st 5, David Howell"
Silence
Mex: "Holwell."
SmokeyMonkey
27-05-06, 10:28 AM
WTF kafta!? Lora said the Crusaders would win by 7 and they did!
St Helens RLFC
27-05-06, 10:30 AM
Couldn't see any of it!
THE CHIROPRACTOR101
27-05-06, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Ripper@May 27 2006, 09:23 PM
You know your f***ing problem, eh, woman? You're too bloody lippy
"f*** you and your spirit".....
hell yeh!!!....studying jake tha muss will reveal the manuscript to a much fulfilling life style...."f*** your warrior bull****"....at that very moment i turned to sky1 and the warriors were gettin they ass kicked :bravo: ..bloody manas
anyways...hurricanes u bloody stupid jokers!
how bout that fog?...bloody christchurch...
bloody hell....ohwell allblack selection tomorrow
Originally posted by SmokeyMonkey@May 27 2006, 10:28 PM
WTF kafta!? Lora said the Crusaders would win by 7 and they did!
Yeah but the score he picked wasn't even close. Calm down. I was joking around.... Sheesh. You northerners are so uptight. Is it because those Christchurch buggers nicked your weather?
That was a pretty garbage game - I watched it on tv but couldn't see anything.
When will they learn? Don't play winter games (okay late Autumn games) at night in the south island. Why couldn't they play it during the afternoon - would have made for a better game.
And why did they have a South African referee?
Surely they could have used a New Zealand ref from a different province. Why give those dodgy African refs big games?
When was the last time a New Zealander reffed a Super 12 final?
That was the worst game of rugby ive ever listened to. I had more fun watching the warriors lose afterwards.
Black-Monday
27-05-06, 11:34 AM
Wow, my first ever Super 14 game. I was waiting for some open running rugby. All that seemed to be open was a can of pea soup.
Also I hope some one dumps McCaws's ass soon, he picks fights with everyone over everything. The Hurricanes fought hard and in the second half moved the ball the most. However the 'Saders were just too strong. Seriously though, why do they play these games when they know it could be weather like that?
BM
Gay-Guy
27-05-06, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Wally@May 27 2006, 09:21 PM
Super 14 is a dead set joke. I think it's time SANZAR hits up some salary cappin' because nobody wants to see the Crusaders keep dominating this competition, bar those who support them obviously.
Lower Salary Cap will help the Crusaders.........
Lets see..........at the moment they have those big money players :lol: ...um.....whats their names.....Ralph, Hamilton, ...and their big spend ups this year...Senio and Filipo..... :P
SaintsFan_Webby
27-05-06, 12:25 PM
European Cup Final > Super 14 Final then.
I hate dull NH rugby...:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Black-Monday@May 28 2006, 12:34 AM
Wow, my first ever Super 14 game. I was waiting for some open running rugby. All that seemed to be open was a can of pea soup.
Also I hope some one dumps McCaws's ass soon, he picks fights with everyone over everything. The Hurricanes fought hard and in the second half moved the ball the most. However the 'Saders were just too strong. Seriously though, why do they play these games when they know it could be weather like that?
BM
nobody can predict weather like that. it was fine until about an hour before kick-off. they talked to everyone and simply the game had to be played that night. the nzrfu was consulted etc and teams and match officials were consulted as well.
bad weather is part of rugby. they don't stop playing when it rains do they?
the crusaders were the better team on the night and simply adapted better to the conditions. congrats to them and the first of hopefully many super 14 titles to come is in Kiwi hands
Gay-Guy
27-05-06, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by SaintsFan_Webby@May 28 2006, 12:25 AM
European Cup Final > Super 14 Final then.
I hate dull NH rugby...:rolleyes:
Nothing wrong with NH rugby in my opinion.......
...the grounds do slow things down a bit....but that can't always be helped.
.....thats rich coming from a fogged out SH final :lol:
Originally posted by Black-Monday@May 27 2006, 11:34 PM
Wow, my first ever Super 14 game. I was waiting for some open running rugby. All that seemed to be open was a can of pea soup.
Also I hope some one dumps McCaws's ass soon, he picks fights with everyone over everything. The Hurricanes fought hard and in the second half moved the ball the most. However the 'Saders were just too strong. Seriously though, why do they play these games when they know it could be weather like that?
BM
A few things... That was not a good game to watch... Mainly because you couldn't see a thing! Terrible terrible shame that the season had to end like that.
Also, McCaw doesn't pick fights. He frustrates the hell out of the opposition due to his borderline tactics at the breakdown. You constantly see Jerry Collins niggling with him at the breakdown, along with many other players. I read in the paper that McCaw has never been yellow carded (although I was pretty sure he had been.... apparently not), he is not a dirty player. Its just frustration when you see him in little spats like that... Frustration by the opposition.
He said in the conference after the game, when asked about his little relationship he seems to have with the Hurricanes, he said something like "It's good when theres a little bit of a spat. It means I'm doing my job right." etc. He gets into the heads of the opposition.
Anyway, can't say much about the game apart from, either we start playing afternoon games, or Canterbury is never allowed to host a big game ever again. Whos with me?
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Gay-Guy
27-05-06, 12:33 PM
Super 10, 12, 14 titles so far.
NZ 9
Aus 2
S.A 2
Black-Monday
27-05-06, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by esoj@May 28 2006, 12:33 AM
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Are you always this sarcastic?
You would have thought they would have planned a bit a head. Surely bad weather like this comes about a lot. The commentators seemed to agree, and for that surely a more suitable venue can be found for finals.
BM
Black-Monday,
Like where? Spain?
loratadine
27-05-06, 01:13 PM
umm ive got to say, and ive seen alot of super 14 games this year, that the standard of games in this years hec was better than the super 14, all bar a few games.
Originally posted by Black-Monday+May 28 2006, 12:51 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 28 2006, 12:33 AM
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Are you always this sarcastic?
You would have thought they would have planned a bit a head. Surely bad weather like this comes about a lot. The commentators seemed to agree, and for that surely a more suitable venue can be found for finals.
BM [/b]
As you said. This was the first Super 14 match you've seen... That's also the first time I've ever seen conditions like that. Same with all of the players. Planning couldn't have prevented it as they said that the fog swooped in at about 6pm.... An hour and a half prior to kick off. They could've delayed, or postponed the match, but no doubt that would have casued many problems, and there will be a bit more debate on that to come I'm sure.
Originally posted by Black-Monday+May 28 2006, 01:51 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 28 2006, 12:33 AM
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Are you always this sarcastic?
You would have thought they would have planned a bit a head. Surely bad weather like this comes about a lot. The commentators seemed to agree, and for that surely a more suitable venue can be found for finals.
BM [/b]
yes I am but i have had to tone it down as the welsh guys go a bit crazy on the rep system.
I don't see how you can plan for fog coming in just before kick off. that certainly does not happen too often at all. the venue was fine. unless you know of a way to magically change the weather then nothing can be done.
As everyone else said, I have never seen the fog like that at Jade that early. It was incredible. For me I really enjoyed the game. It is always fun to see something different (I've never seen anything like it, felt like we were watching an old school game of rugby).
The players and commentators put in a really good job for the conditions and even though it was not a tryfest, it was a hard fought close game such as any final. I was tied in knots for the whole second half, because even though the Crusaders were dominating they weren't scoring and the Hurricanes have the players to score a freak try against the run of play.
Black-Monday
27-05-06, 09:39 PM
Right, I probably wasn't in the place to comment about the weather. However I never know why they try and play four day cricket in my country in april.
Anyway, it was a different game. Now I just need a game in snow. I've played in one, but never seen one.
BM
Zambaman
27-05-06, 09:39 PM
Also, I don't know how much use delaying the game to today would have been, it's 9:40 here and the fog is still here and is as thick as last night. This sure is some freak fog.
I think they need something like giant fire trays or heaters with fans(yeah real big ones) these could evaporate the fog and get it moving, they could be wheeled off and on before the match and at half time. It may sound dumb but they need to esure that this dosent happen again, especially for the final, the game weve all been waiting for. I still cant believe I didnt get to see the S14 final, after watching the whole season. The conditions were not right for rugby, and by the sounds of it not much rugby was played.
Black-Monday
27-05-06, 10:11 PM
That idea is not as stupid as it sounds, the helicopter could have done the job!
It's a bit like the grass conundrum they had at the san siro(Big Italian soccer ground). They always get foggy as they are enclosed. Also they were considering a method for raising the pitch to roof level so the grass could grow in the summer.
Like big leg things.
BM
Originally posted by Black-Monday+May 28 2006, 12:51 AM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 28 2006, 12:33 AM
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Are you always this sarcastic?
You would have thought they would have planned a bit a head. Surely bad weather like this comes about a lot. The commentators seemed to agree, and for that surely a more suitable venue can be found for finals.
BM [/b]
Like what... move the game at an hours notice down the road to Otago?
And you do know how the host is decided right?
Gay-Guy
27-05-06, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by loratadine@May 28 2006, 01:13 AM
umm ive got to say, and ive seen alot of super 14 games this year, that the standard of games in this years hec was better than the super 14, all bar a few games.
Hard to judge two comps against each other....but I agree that S14 rugby standard ws down this year....I ardently study every aspect of Canterbury rugby and I can tell it was lacking from last year......yet so was everyone else so the Crusaders were the best of a bad crop......as they would be....
Black-Monday
28-05-06, 12:11 AM
I have taken a step into this SH forum, said one comment which was un wise. However you take what I said and twist it. I never said move the game, just that playing a night game in the winter can bring bad weather. So to make sure the final is the spectacle it is meant to be, either play at a ground known for the good condtions(etc millenium stadium in uk) or play at suitable time. I never said move the game.
BM
I had my doubters but my prediction was correct
Originally posted by Gay-Guy+May 27 2006, 11:55 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@May 27 2006, 09:21 PM
Super 14 is a dead set joke. I think it's time SANZAR hits up some salary cappin' because nobody wants to see the Crusaders keep dominating this competition, bar those who support them obviously.
Lower Salary Cap will help the Crusaders.........
Lets see..........at the moment they have those big money players :lol: ...um.....whats their names.....Ralph, Hamilton, ...and their big spend ups this year...Senio and Filipo..... :P [/b]
They wouldn't keep winning games if they didn't have the best players every year...
Originally posted by loratadine@May 28 2006, 01:13 AM
umm ive got to say, and ive seen alot of super 14 games this year, that the standard of games in this years hec was better than the super 14, all bar a few games.
I suppose that's why European rugby has all that dominance over us.. Now let's sit back and watch as England, Ireland and whoever else is coming down south get done by 30 points each game.
Originally posted by Wally+May 28 2006, 12:00 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-loratadine@May 28 2006, 01:13 AM
umm ive got to say, and ive seen alot of super 14 games this year, that the standard of games in this years hec was better than the super 14, all bar a few games.
I suppose that's why European rugby has all that dominance over us.. Now let's sit back and watch as England, Ireland and whoever else is coming down south get done by 30 points each game. [/b]
I've watched a bit of the HC, and while the final and many of the big games are more of s spectacle in terms of the atmospphere (though the NSW v Qld and NSW v Brumbies games were great in terms of atmos), the actual quality wasn't really higher IMO... both seemed to have class and bad games.
Kimmy_The_Kiwi
28-05-06, 05:35 AM
Gutted is the only word i can say.
But i am glad the canes didnt get hammered..i never thought they would.
Dam Fog :%#%#:
Originally posted by Ripper+May 28 2006, 09:29 AM-->
Originally posted by Black-Monday@May 28 2006, 12:51 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 28 2006, 12:33 AM
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Are you always this sarcastic?
You would have thought they would have planned a bit a head. Surely bad weather like this comes about a lot. The commentators seemed to agree, and for that surely a more suitable venue can be found for finals.
BM
Like what... move the game at an hours notice down the road to Otago?
And you do know how the host is decided right? [/b]
They could have possibly delayed it till sunday... or even to Monday night if necessary. Given the reports that half the crowd left BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SEE, I don't think many people would have complained...
P.S to kimmy- Don't curse the fog... in all likelihood the score would have been worse for the canes if it wasn't there.
Originally posted by sanzar+May 28 2006, 05:35 PM-->
Originally posted by Ripper+May 28 2006, 09:29 AM-->
Originally posted by Black-Monday@May 28 2006, 12:51 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 28 2006, 12:33 AM
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Are you always this sarcastic?
You would have thought they would have planned a bit a head. Surely bad weather like this comes about a lot. The commentators seemed to agree, and for that surely a more suitable venue can be found for finals.
BM
Like what... move the game at an hours notice down the road to Otago?
And you do know how the host is decided right? [/b]
They could have possibly delayed it till sunday... or even to Monday night if necessary. Given the reports that half the crowd left BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SEE, I don't think many people would have complained...
P.S to kimmy- Don't curse the fog... in all likelihood the score would have been worse for the canes if it wasn't there. [/b]
The fog was still lurking around Sunday, and what about all those with Sunday flights? You expecting them to stick around when I highly doubt Air NZ/Freedom would be very helpful?
And Monday Night Rugby... sounds too American you FASCIST PIG
<!--QuoteBegin-Black Monday
So to make sure the final is the spectacle it is meant to be, either play at a ground known for the good condtions(etc millenium stadium in uk) or play at suitable time. I never said move the game.
Something tells me that if Jade Stadium was full of fog, any other stadium or park in Christchurch would be worse.
Originally posted by Ripper+May 28 2006, 04:42 PM-->
Originally posted by sanzar@May 28 2006, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Ripper@May 28 2006, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Black-Monday@May 28 2006, 12:51 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 28 2006, 12:33 AM
how about we get someone to control the weather eh?
Are you always this sarcastic?
You would have thought they would have planned a bit a head. Surely bad weather like this comes about a lot. The commentators seemed to agree, and for that surely a more suitable venue can be found for finals.
BM
Like what... move the game at an hours notice down the road to Otago?
And you do know how the host is decided right?
They could have possibly delayed it till sunday... or even to Monday night if necessary. Given the reports that half the crowd left BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T SEE, I don't think many people would have complained...
P.S to kimmy- Don't curse the fog... in all likelihood the score would have been worse for the canes if it wasn't there.
The fog was still lurking around Sunday, and what about all those with Sunday flights? You expecting them to stick around when I highly doubt Air NZ/Freedom would be very helpful?
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Well yeah... I mean, what's worse: Delaying the game untill the conditions were clear enough for people to see, or having 50,000 people pay good money only to get to the ground and not be able to see 5 feet in front of them... pretty obvious that they shouldn't have played it in those conditions given that the crowd couldn't see....
But I guess you would have been satisfied if you were out there staring into the fog.
And Monday Night Rugby... sounds too American you FASCIST PIG
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American Football isn't facist... it's boring :P , which is about the same I guess.
The problem with delaying the game is the fact many people still would've wasted their money due to other arrangements/Sunday flights. And only those up in the higher stands couldn't see. Anybody reasonably close to the ground could've seen alright, at least that's what it appeared to be from the various camera angles. It wouldn't surprise me if delaying the game screwed as many people over as playing the game in the fog did.
Originally posted by Ripper@May 28 2006, 05:02 PM
The problem with delaying the game is the fact many people still would've wasted their money due to other arrangements/Sunday flights. And only those up in the higher stands couldn't see. Anybody reasonably close to the ground could've seen alright, at least that's what it appeared to be from the various camera angles. It wouldn't surprise me if delaying the game screwed as many people over as playing the game in the fog did.
But we don't know that fore sure... all we know is that the fog DID stuff a lot of people who paid good money to see a rugby match.
Originally posted by sanzar+May 28 2006, 06:06 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@May 28 2006, 05:02 PM
The problem with delaying the game is the fact many people still would've wasted their money due to other arrangements/Sunday flights.* And only those up in the higher stands couldn't see.* Anybody reasonably close to the ground could've seen alright, at least that's what it appeared to be from the various camera angles. It wouldn't surprise me if delaying the game screwed as many people over as playing the game in the fog did.
But we don't know that fore sure... all we know is that the fog DID stuff a lot of people who paid good money to see a rugby match. [/b]
And delaying it still would've stuffed alot of people.
Either way, the deed has been done and we now can get on with "dicking" the North.
Gay-Guy
28-05-06, 07:01 AM
Originally posted by Wally+May 28 2006, 12:57 PM-->
Originally posted by Gay-Guy@May 27 2006, 11:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@May 27 2006, 09:21 PM
Super 14 is a dead set joke. I think it's time SANZAR hits up some salary cappin' because nobody wants to see the Crusaders keep dominating this competition, bar those who support them obviously.
Lower Salary Cap will help the Crusaders.........
Lets see..........at the moment they have those big money players :lol: ...um.....whats their names.....Ralph, Hamilton, ...and their big spend ups this year...Senio and Filipo..... :P
They wouldn't keep winning games if they didn't have the best players every year... [/b]
McCaw......Carter....
.....only two....
....all of NZ's other francises have more "stars".....I don't even want to start with the Aussie and SA teams.
Boomslangnz
28-05-06, 07:15 AM
Crusaders never looked like losing.
They had 80% of territory and 80% of possesion.
OWNAGE!
Originally posted by Gay-Guy+May 28 2006, 06:01 PM-->
Originally posted by Wally@May 28 2006, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Gay-Guy@May 27 2006, 11:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@May 27 2006, 09:21 PM
Super 14 is a dead set joke. I think it's time SANZAR hits up some salary cappin' because nobody wants to see the Crusaders keep dominating this competition, bar those who support them obviously.
Lower Salary Cap will help the Crusaders.........
Lets see..........at the moment they have those big money players :lol: ...um.....whats their names.....Ralph, Hamilton, ...and their big spend ups this year...Senio and Filipo..... :P
They wouldn't keep winning games if they didn't have the best players every year...
McCaw......Carter....
.....only two....
....all of NZ's other francises have more "stars".....I don't even want to start with the Aussie and SA teams. [/b]
Yeah, that's actually a pretty good point GG... The Blues have way more "Stars" as well. So what is it about the Crusaders that makes them so dominant? Is it purely the Carter and McCaw factor, or is that they make all their players into freaks?
Mehrtsisagod
28-05-06, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Wally@May 27 2006, 09:21 PM
Super 14 is a dead set joke. I think it's time SANZAR hits up some salary cappin' because nobody wants to see the Crusaders keep dominating this competition, bar those who support them obviously.
**** salary caps that's what has turned the NRL into crap.
We don't want any more legal cases over here.
How about the Canes they have nonu, Umaga, Collins, Weepu & Soai'alo surely one of them needs to be sent to another region.
The simple fact is the Crusaders stepped up on the day just like they always do and showed why they are a class side.
If you can still win while losing the likes of Mehrtens, Marshall & Robertson we must be doing something right.
Originally posted by Mehrtsisagod+May 28 2006, 07:54 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@May 27 2006, 09:21 PM
Super 14 is a dead set joke. I think it's time SANZAR hits up some salary cappin' because nobody wants to see the Crusaders keep dominating this competition, bar those who support them obviously.
**** salary caps that's what has turned the NRL into crap.
We don't want any more legal cases over here.
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pfffft. Salery cap making the NRL crap? The NRL has had 7 premiers in 7 years mate, and is getting more popular every year... Seriously, you can predict most results in the S14, but in the NRL it's bloody hard to pick winners week to week, and that is the sign of a healthy competition.
woosaah
28-05-06, 09:09 AM
yeah we dont need a salary cap, we have one already coming into the air new zealand cup that will figure out the men from the boys.
2 hard to have a salary cap in the super 14 anyway cause you have it in one country you have it in all and i dont think it would make any differenice in australia and south africa, it will just hurt new zealand rugby
as I said before they consulted everybody before procceding with the match. player safety etc was taken into account. delaying the game would have been pointless as the fog was still around on sunday.
the spectators true could not see much but wating would not have been better and may in fact have been worse.
and there is also logistics to consider. people had flights booked etc the next day. and are you joking playing a rugby final on a monday would be sucide and perhaps even less people would have shown up.
a salary cap is not the answer and would create more problems than it would solve.
one of the reasons the crusaders have done well is that in their franchise area they had one division one npc team which means they were able just to field almost the same team in both competitions. a franchise like the blues has 3 division teams and therefore there is a lot more politics involved etc to keep all 3 unions happy. if the blues could just field the auckland npc team each year I am sure they would do a lot better.
the crusader reply to going ahead with the game
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/727681
Originally posted by esoj@May 28 2006, 09:06 PM
the crusader reply to going ahead with the game
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/727681
Interesting to note that the opinion of a slight majority of kiwi's was that they should have postponed it.
um maybe maybe not. the option of post phoning was looked into and all those involved agreed to play the match..
interesting to note that the paying customers were happy. would they not in this case be classed as the majority as they were the ones actually at the game.
I was just going by the poll their esoj ;) . 56% in favor of postponing.
Anyway, when it's all said and done I think we all agree that it was about the worst Super rugby final ever held in terms of the spectacle... Perhaps NZ need to build a dome stadium...
of course the poll would say that as it would be from everyone watching it on tv. and without question watching it on tv was crap. simple maths would tell you that people watching it on tv would out-weigh those actually at the ground. tvnz polls are over-rated anyway.
it was proabbly not the greatest of finals conditions wise but it still was a good game to watch. how many times has fog come onto the field at jade stadium in the last say 10 years. I would say with 99% that was the first time that had ever happened.
wasn't a final in canberra played in crap conditions to.
maybe they should not play the final unless it is bright and sunny outside
Originally posted by esoj@May 28 2006, 09:53 PM
wasn't a final in canberra played in crap conditions to.
maybe they should not play the final unless it is bright and sunny outside
No... I don't think anyone is suggesting that, but last nights conditions weren't crap, they were ridiculous... and if you can't admit that conditions in which players can barely see 10 metres in front and people in the stands can barely see the feild are about the worst conditions a rugby match has been played in, then you're simply being too parochial.
Candyman
28-05-06, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Mehrtsisagod+May 26 2006, 11:50 PM-->
Originally posted by kaftka@May 26 2006, 07:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Quintes@May 26 2006, 07:28 PM
We south africans are always said to not have a sense of humour and even I can see Rimmer is saving the urine (taking the ****). Here at TRF we like to joke and banter and I can see RImmer will fit right in. Welcome to the forum Rimmer.
....and now for you two gaysaders, whoossy and candybird....I can see a hurricane forming over your precious Gayde stadium!!!!!! Bwahahahahah
lol yeah... Crusader fans are homosexuals. :lol:
:mellow:
Hey just because those 2 fruitcakes are backing the Crusaders is no need to stereotype us.
Not our fault ever other NZ team can't cut it without giving a gold watch to Kaplan. [/b]
Hey if you go back and read the thread you will see i put a picture up supporting the hurricanes :P
woosaah
28-05-06, 10:22 PM
i woulndt admit that candyman :)
hurricanes are loosers :)
sorry i am having a good time here at work, though there is no1 to hassle, i got so much **** on friday now there is no1 here to give it back to (i just sat down and took it on friday)
they are all scared of me...
i am thinking about going home i am i am
Your all fools for watching this farce.........well trying too.
Coz on the very next channel the mighty raiders won in golden pt - and u could see everything - even the hotdog man in the stands - to the traffic going by in the background
SANZAR should impose a ban on playing any games in NZ after May01, after 5:00pm local time
I mean seriously - congratulations on winning the S14......congratulations on the All Kiwi final.......but u get what ur given.........a long white cloud, and disgust by even the fans, who cant really blame anyone, but themselves, coz u cant blame mother nature - but ur own feet got you too the ground.
but hey - i'd rather make the final.........and play in any conditions
SANZAR's gotto address this embarrament of conditions, coz its just laughing at rugby at the moment.........hey whens the 1st Bledisloe/Tri Nations game in NZ......where and when..............coz i wont book another night at the pub, for more fog action.
look the conditions were tragic
most of the people in the nose bleeder seats left the game early.
they couldnt see the other side of the field, if anything
when u have people leaving the game before half time - you know there is a visability issue, and u know u made an error in proceeding with the game
perhaps in a normal match u can be forgiven
but the FINAL of the Premier domestic comp in the SH
TURN IT UP...........postpone the match to DAYTIME
woosaah
28-05-06, 11:15 PM
its just a freak of nature, not really anything they could do posponing it til sunday would have been the same conditions (so i am told)
no point arguring about the weather or saying that sanzar have to do something about it. what can they do? NOTHING, its weather no1 can predict thats going to happen. its the first time it has happened at jade.
if it was a regular occurance i would agree with you, but its a first time, and hopefully only time, so i would just leave the weather out of it. sure it made it hard for the fans to watch, but its history now and the crusaders are super 14 champions :) yeah
Originally posted by woosaah@May 29 2006, 11:15 AM
sure it made it hard for the fans to watch, but its history now and the crusaders are super 14 champions :) yeah
Its simple going forward
No games in NZ should be played at night after 01May - espepcially the south island - every south island match to be played in the daytime
that aint something very hard to amend
it aint something that people are going to complain about
its simply minimizing Rugby's exposure to such random tragedies
Now watch the lack of revenue raised on a S14 2006 Final DVD, coz people wont buy "How to create you own Fog, the Dan Carter way" will they??
woosaah
28-05-06, 11:56 PM
that wont solve anything as there was fog all day the next day anyway
night rugby is here to stay in new zealand anyway.
what would be great is if they upgraded jade staium to have a roof, now that would be wicked :)
but i don tthink that would happen as its getting new stands soon anyway (anyone know when they pulling down the old 1-3 stands???) but adding a roof would be awesome for such occasions.
if it happends reguarly i would agree with you ak, but once, ever it may never happen again. it doesnt fog like that in the south island often at all
Foggy memories of how and when
29 May 2006*
By ARWEN HANN and RICHARD KNOWLER
Canterbury may be celebrating another Super rugby trophy but many fans have been left wondering just how and when the Crusaders won the match.
It was not only the one-eyed nature of most Cantabrians that made it hard for them to see what was happening on Saturday night – the fog which rolled across the stadium about 6pm meant spectators at Jade Stadium and at home struggled to see any of the match not played directly in front of them or the TV cameras.
For the faithful who turned out at the ground, what should have been New Zealand's showpiece final turned into a guessing game in which spectators had to rely on the cheers or otherwise of supporters at the opposite end of the ground to work out just what was going on. Dozens of people left upper seats at half time, presumably to see if the television coverage was any better.
Sarah Persico was looking forward to watching the final from one of the Hadlee stand's corporate boxes, but conditions were so bad she could not see the other end of the pitch for most of the game.
"The score kept changing but we didn't know why. We had to listen to the cheering and try and work it out. Luckily the only try was scored right in front of us so it was worth it."
The friends who had received Persico's original tickets in the Paul Kelly stand did not fare much better.
"We sent them a text and they replied to say great seats but they couldn't see a bloody thing."
Despite not being able to see most of the game, Persico felt it was right that it went ahead.
"I think the teams adapted well to the conditions and I think the standard of rugby was still good. What else could they have done? Everything was in place for Saturday night – I don't think they could have changed it."
Met Service forecaster Erick Brenstrum said a combination of early morning rain, a bright afternoon and light winds were to blame for the fog.
While the Met Service had not specifically predicted fog, Brenstrum said it was not unusual for the Garden City to experience it at this time of year. What did surprise him was how early in the evening it appeared.
The light winds and the warmer weather during Saturday afternoon would have contributed, Brenstrum said. "Early morning rain and light winds are a recipe for fog. The warmer weather in the afternoon would have led to higher humidity as well, which all contributes.
"If the wind gets up to more than 15 knots, you tend to get low cloud, but on Saturday the wind was only around 10 knots in Christchurch, so we got fog instead."
Fog is the same as cloud, but has contact with the ground. It occurs when moisture from the surface of the Earth evaporates, moves upward, cools and condenses.
Paul Humphreys, who watched the match in Queensland, emailed The Press describing it as a "bizarre joke". "Christchurch is very prone to evening sea fog rolling in at this time of the year, and the game should have been scheduled as an afternoon match. Those supporting the game in person should be refunded," he said.
But Paul Holland, who also watched the match on television, said the game should have gone ahead.
"Games have been in far worse conditions. As far as refunds for tickets go – why? You pays your money, you takes your chances. If it is good enough for the players to turn up and play, then the crowd got what they paid for. A game of rugby and a Super 14 Championship."
Crusaders chief executive Hamish Riach admitted the final may have been called off if the fog had endangered the safety of the players and spectators. But, after consulting the New Zealand Rugby Union, teams, match officials, broadcasters and key sponsors, it was decided the game should proceed.
"In the end it was a relatively comfortable decision in that nobody was saying it should be called off," Riach said. "It may not have had to get too much worse (to be called off) but the collective view was that the game should proceed."
However, Riach later told a radio station that the Crusaders were aware of the concerns and frustrations with the fans, and would investigate today if there was anything they could do.
When the players trudged off the field following the 19-12 win to the Crusaders, nearly all of them said the conditions were "bizarre".
The administrators were no different, but said they were comfortable in their decision, despite spectators being unable to see all of the field, and the fog seriously affecting television coverage.
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0,21...31a6009,00.html (http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0,2106,3682931a6009,00.html)
Gay-Guy
29-05-06, 12:37 AM
The Hurricanes needed more than a fog to give them a chance..........they didn't have the foggiest idea that night.....if it hadn't been for the fog the score may have been bigger for the Crusaders.
YEAH!!!!!
Candyman
29-05-06, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by ak47@May 29 2006, 11:10 AM
Your all fools for watching this farce.........well trying too.
Coz on the very next channel the mighty raiders won in golden pt - and u could see everything - even the hotdog man in the stands - to the traffic going by in the background
SANZAR should impose a ban on playing any games in NZ after May01, after 5:00pm local time
I mean seriously - congratulations on winning the S14......congratulations on the All Kiwi final.......but u get what ur given.........a long white cloud, and disgust by even the fans, who cant really blame anyone, but themselves, coz u cant blame mother nature - but ur own feet got you too the ground.
but hey - i'd rather make the final.........and play in any conditions
SANZAR's gotto address this embarrament of conditions, coz its just laughing at rugby at the moment.........hey whens the 1st Bledisloe/Tri Nations game in NZ......where and when..............coz i wont book another night at the pub, for more fog action.
I did watch the highlights of that game it looked like an awesome game.
I too am a bit of a raiders fan
C A Iversen
29-05-06, 02:01 AM
Two points.
One, visibilty is one of the most important requirements for a game of rugby to be played well. Thats why they built lights for night games and don't just leave half them off. To say those conditions were acceptable to play in, is a farce. We'll NEVER know how those two sides would have fared in more playable conditions, although it does seem to me a little like the Crusaders could have done even better.
Two, bring back Arnold Rimmer.
Originally posted by C A Iversen@May 29 2006, 02:01 PM
Two, bring back Arnold Rimmer.
:bravo:
In the voice of Big Arnold himself
"Ill be back" :ph34r:
I still think its crazy to suggest shifting the game or banning games from being played at night based on one freak of nature. the fog was still there on sunday as well so post phoning till the next day would not have been great either
the match offiicials etc were asked at half time if they wanted to keep going and they said yes.
the conditions were bad nobody is denying this at all. but calls to ban nights games is simply way over the top.
I highly doubt you would see fog like that in another 10 if not 20 years.
rugby is a game played in all conditions. they don't stop playing when it rains. sure this was really bad but the teams and everybody else involved agreed to play the game.
maybe in future they should find somone that has a spare 20 million or so to cover the re-booking of flights,catering, work compensation etc.
Originally posted by sanzar@May 28 2006, 10:32 PM
I was just going by the poll their esoj ;) . 56% in favor of postponing.
Anyway, when it's all said and done I think we all agree that it was about the worst Super rugby final ever held in terms of the spectacle... Perhaps NZ need to build a dome stadium...
Build one yourself if your so f***ing obessed with Dome Stadiums.
Its simple going forward
No games in NZ should be played at night after 01May - espepcially the south island - every south island match to be played in the daytime
that aint something very hard to amend
it aint something that people are going to complain about
its simply minimizing Rugby's exposure to such random tragedies
Now watch the lack of revenue raised on a S14 2006 Final DVD, coz people wont buy "How to create you own Fog, the Dan Carter way" will they??[/b]
Your an Idiot
Ripper - 1989 - 2063
C A Iversen
29-05-06, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by esoj@May 29 2006, 04:18 PM
I still think its crazy to suggest shifting the game or banning games from being played at night based on one freak of nature. the fog was still there on sunday as well so post phoning till the next day would not have been great either
the match offiicials etc were asked at half time if they wanted to keep going and they said yes.
the conditions were bad nobody is denying this at all. but calls to ban nights games is simply way over the top.
I highly doubt you would see fog like that in another 10 if not 20 years.
rugby is a game played in all conditions. they don't stop playing when it rains. sure this was really bad but the teams and everybody else involved agreed to play the game.
maybe in future they should find somone that has a spare 20 million or so to cover the re-booking of flights,catering, work compensation etc.
Ummm.....not suggesting that they get rid of night games, (Where ever that idea came from I don't know). :wacko:
Just saying that those conditions were not suitable for Rugby, and in the 1/10000000 chance that it ever happens again, they should have insurance and play it the next day, for rugby's sake.
If there was a reasonable way to do it, I think they would have. They couldn't though, and thats understandable.
Originally posted by Ripper@May 29 2006, 04:24 PM
Your an Idiot
Ripper - 1989 - 2063
:lol:
I believe its "You are" or "You're"
IDIOT
Anyways hopefully the NZRU have a contigency plan for the NEXT time this happens - which it will do...........there needs to be something in place for the sake of the game............its will get play of the week for humour factor, when really the S14 final should be play of the week on its own merits
Pure Genius...
Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.
THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME
i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN
Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
Originally posted by Ripper@May 29 2006, 04:00 PM
Pure Genius...
Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.
THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME
i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN
Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
Yes, yes they do.
Originally posted by Ripper@May 29 2006, 05:00 PM
Pure Genius...
Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.
THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME
i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN
Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
yeah and the Mt St Helens, Tsunami, Hurricanes in N.O - earthquake today - all freak occurances
Its safe to say anything from mother nature is a freak occurances isnt it
How bout doing something so we arent exposed to these freak acts of nature
No the NRL doesnt have anything in place........unless a team is created on the highest tip of Tasmania - we wont have too, but we would
Remember that SNOW game with the Raiders???
Actually I've seen NRL game get canned due to heavy hail falling beforehand.
If ur a QLD team in the NRL u arent getting a home game until late march/april - so it is safe to say the NRL does think about the location and seasons/time of year involved.
Originally posted by sanzar+May 29 2006, 05:04 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@May 29 2006, 04:00 PM
Pure Genius...
Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.
THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME
i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN
Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
Yes, yes they do. [/b]
Is it inbetween the files marked "What to do in case of Jesus coming" and "What to do in case of Warriors winning the competition"?
Originally posted by AK 47
No the NRL doesnt have anything in place........unless a team is created on the highest tip of Tasmania - we wont have too, but we would
So why should SANZAR have one?
Originally posted by Ripper@May 29 2006, 05:11 PM
So why should SANZAR have one?
because Union is played in more diverse climates proned to this sort of freakish act of nature
They can do something now.................or be exposed to this possible fluke again......
I'd rather get it right for next time than HOPE it doesnt happen again - especially for a FINAL.
Like the IceBowl - This game will be remembered for the weather - not the content of the game
Seriously, this is the first time we've seen this happen and suddenly its all SANZAR's fault... before this we've never seen anything you wouldn't see in the NRL.
Originally posted by ak47+May 29 2006, 06:05 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Ripper@May 29 2006, 05:00 PM
Pure Genius...
Pages of talk and you still haven't got your head around a simple fact.
THIS FOG WAS A HOUR BEFORE THE GAME
i.e This is something that is likely NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN
Are you telling me that the NRL or the ARU have a file in their planning labelled "What to do if Freak Fog creeps up an hour before kick off?"
yeah and the Mt St Helens, Tsunami, Hurricanes in N.O - earthquake today - all freak occurances
Its safe to say anything from mother nature is a freak occurances isnt it
How bout doing something so we arent exposed to these freak acts of nature
No the NRL doesnt have anything in place........unless a team is created on the highest tip of Tasmania - we wont have too, but we would
Remember that SNOW game with the Raiders???
Actually I've seen NRL game get canned due to heavy hail falling beforehand.
If ur a QLD team in the NRL u arent getting a home game until late march/april - so it is safe to say the NRL does think about the location and seasons/time of year involved. [/b]
not saying this is always the case but nrl teams tend to rebuild their stadiums every 2 years or so and therefore have to play away from home for the first part of the competition.
I don't see what they could have done in this situation either. if they had post phoned it till sunday the fog was still there anyway and they would have had to play in the same conditions. you can't keep delaying a game until they are perfect condiitions. and play a final during a week-day is marketing sucide.
this will happen maybe once in 20 years and the canterbury union consulted the nzrfu etc.
maybe sanzar should form a new division called Weather predicition. there job is too use any means possible to predict what the weather will be like around and hour and a half before kickoff for every game in the super 14. they do that or find a way to get an extra 20 million or so to cover for catering re-booking of flights etc in the event of somthing like fog coming onto the field.
C A Iversen
29-05-06, 05:35 AM
I think the odds of something like the fog happening again are hugely low, and Rugby is an all weather sport, but there are limits.
SANZAR will certainly look at what happened to the final during their review, as they review EVERY season. I'm pretty sure they want maximum value from every S14 game and will come up with an answer.
As highly unlikely as it is to happen again in the next 10 years, who's to say it won't? Surely it wouldn't take long for them to come up with a contingency plan. It's one of those things that you may never need, but you have to have one anyway, like earthquake cover.
There are sponsors to please, who pay BIG money for their advertising hoardings to be seen and many other issues. They won't go, "WOW. That was a freakish occurence, it'll never, ever happen again."
It may well not happen again, but the game is big business. They want every possibility covered, and this new oddball situation is no different.
Oh, and as for the fog still being there in the afternoon the next day. What a bunch of crap. It was completely clear by late morning!
Look the fact is there should be no more night games on the South Island from now on. The IRB isn't going to risk that kind of bull**** in 2011. I remember in 2002 one of the worst Bledisloe Cups I've ever witnessed was played in Christchurch, and it could have all been avoided if it was on during daylight.
well I was going by reports that said the fog was still there.
yes there are sponsor etc all of whom have to be compenstated etc if the game has to be moved. especially if you have to move it to another city. there would be all kinds of issues and legal problems I think.
there is big money involved for sure and moving a final to another city would be literally millions of dollars.
Originally posted by Wally@May 29 2006, 06:40 PM
Look the fact is there should be no more night games on the South Island from now on. The IRB isn't going to risk that kind of bull**** in 2011. I remember in 2002 one of the worst Bledisloe Cups I've ever witnessed was played in Christchurch, and it could have all been avoided if it was on during daylight.
I am pretty sure they will. there is more money in night games hence why they play them. and I somehow doubt fog will be in every match in the world cup.
Originally posted by esoj@May 29 2006, 05:41 PM
well I was going by reports that said the fog was still there.
yes there are sponsor etc all of whom have to be compenstated etc if the game has to be moved. especially if you have to move it to another city. there would be all kinds of issues and legal problems I think.
there is big money involved for sure and moving a final to another city would be literally millions of dollars.
Do you actually think the sponsors were happy with the game going ahead like that? Television and sponsorship are what keep our game alive. Both were spitting chips, and rightly so.
Originally posted by Wally@May 29 2006, 05:40 PM
Look the fact is there should be no more night games on the South Island from now on. The IRB isn't going to risk that kind of bull**** in 2011. I remember in 2002 one of the worst Bledisloe Cups I've ever witnessed was played in Christchurch, and it could have all been avoided if it was on during daylight.
Yeah, how about we play our games in 45 degree weather on that ****ty Telstra Stadium Turf!
And what about that 2000 Final at Bruce Stadium?
television was actually one of the reasons it went ahead. and do you think the sponsors would have like the game being played on a week-day.
Originally posted by esoj+May 29 2006, 05:44 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@May 29 2006, 06:40 PM
Look the fact is there should be no more night games on the South Island from now on. The IRB isn't going to risk that kind of bull**** in 2011. I remember in 2002 one of the worst Bledisloe Cups I've ever witnessed was played in Christchurch, and it could have all been avoided if it was on during daylight.
I am pretty sure they will. there is more money in night games hence why they play them. and I somehow doubt fog will be in every match in the world cup. [/b]
It's not worth risking the poor conditions that usually occur at night time games down south. In any case they won't allow any of the major games to be played there. Jade Stadium has only recently been redeveloped so I can't see them making any sort of enclosed stadium before the World Cup.
Originally posted by Ripper+May 29 2006, 05:45 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@May 29 2006, 05:40 PM
Look the fact is there should be no more night games on the South Island from now on. The IRB isn't going to risk that kind of bull**** in 2011. I remember in 2002 one of the worst Bledisloe Cups I've ever witnessed was played in Christchurch, and it could have all been avoided if it was on during daylight.
Yeah, how about we play our games in 45 degree weather on that ****ty Telstra Stadium Turf!
And what about that 2000 Final at Bruce Stadium? [/b]
Why would you play a game infront of 80,000 people? I'm not sure. And when has there ever been a match during 45 degree heat?
What happened at Bruce Stadium was rare. Nearly every game of rugby in New Zealand during winter is played in **** conditions.
But the freak fog engulfing Jade Stadium occurs every second week right?
Originally posted by Wally+May 29 2006, 06:48 PM-->
Originally posted by esoj@May 29 2006, 05:44 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Wally@May 29 2006, 06:40 PM
Look the fact is there should be no more night games on the South Island from now on. The IRB isn't going to risk that kind of bull**** in 2011. I remember in 2002 one of the worst Bledisloe Cups I've ever witnessed was played in Christchurch, and it could have all been avoided if it was on during daylight.
I am pretty sure they will. there is more money in night games hence why they play them. and I somehow doubt fog will be in every match in the world cup.
It's not worth risking the poor conditions that usually occur at night time games down south. In any case they won't allow any of the major games to be played there. Jade Stadium has only recently been redeveloped so I can't see them making any sort of enclosed stadium before the World Cup. [/b]
yes it rains how sad. and once in a blue moon fog comes onto the field.
I think they will have games at jade. the south island does have bad coniditions ie it is not sunny but I am sure plenty of game will be played down there
dobrien7
29-05-06, 05:59 AM
Lol this is a good read, you guys are never going to agree here, how about accepting it's in the past, building a huge bridge and
get over it?
yeah maybe . although the next time it rains for a rugby match in aus I won't be holding back thats for sure.
What goes on @ Bruce Stadium stays :P - Its part of the home field advantage :P , and isnt watched on a global scale like the S14 Final
I gaurantee the sponsors are asking SANZAR what will you do if this happens again?
SANZAR cant ignore the fact anything is possible, by shrugging their shoulders.
and its not SANZARS fault or anything - NOBODY IS AT FAULT.
but if it happens again - somebody will cop the blame.
Will it be the Waratahs for throwing away that moment
Will it be the NZ weatherman
Will it be SANZAR
It will be SANZAR coz it will happen again - 100 yrs of rugby, is 1,000,000th the time that island has been exposed to that weather.......
Unless u predict the middle east to take control and wipe rugby off the calendar, in 100yrs that weather will come again to strike - when the $$ are alot bigger - heck 100yrs we'll have massive Total Recall type fans to move the fog to another location until deemed suitable to release back at the Chrischurch mob.
Await Technology - or remove the risk??
OK I need a beer :unsure:
Originally posted by Zambaman@May 28 2006, 10:39 AM
Also, I don't know how much use delaying the game to today would have been, it's 9:40 here and the fog is still here and is as thick as last night. This sure is some freak fog.
I will fiinish with this quote :D
How about a swap, NZ can have Telstra Dome and Australia can have Otara.
That's a really good deal.
Originally posted by ak47@May 29 2006, 07:03 PM
What goes on @ Bruce Stadium stays :P - Its part of the home field advantage :P , and isnt watched on a global scale like the S14 Final
I gaurantee the sponsors are asking SANZAR what will you do if this happens again?
SANZAR cant ignore the fact anything is possible, by shrugging their shoulders.
and its not SANZARS fault or anything - NOBODY IS AT FAULT.
but if it happens again - somebody will cop the blame.
Will it be the Waratahs for throwing away that moment
Will it be the NZ weatherman
Will it be SANZAR
It will be SANZAR coz it will happen again - 100 yrs of rugby, is 1,000,000th the time that island has been exposed to that weather.......
Unless u predict the middle east to take control and wipe rugby off the calendar, in 100yrs that weather will come again to strike - when the $$ are alot bigger - heck 100yrs we'll have massive Total Recall type fans to move the fog to another location until deemed suitable to release back at the Chrischurch mob.
Await Technology - or remove the risk??
OK I need a beer :unsure:
those same sponosor especailly ones in christchurch would have been piseed if the game got moved to another city.
there is ramifications to any decision that is made. there needs to be some kind of compenstation thing set up. so that the cost of shifting the game either a day or 2 or to another city can be dealt with. I still think sanazar should go with the weather predicition division that way any game in the super 14 should be able to be played in bright sunshine right.
bruce stadium is a hole everybody knows that. maybe they shouldn't play games there either
Nah, can you imagine Once were Warriors with Aussie accents?
dobrien7
29-05-06, 06:10 AM
Why don't they officially just name the next day as a reserve day with every game played eg like cricket one dayers???
Because theres more chance of a Cricket game being rained out then a Rugby game.
allblacksfreak
29-05-06, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by esoj@May 29 2006, 04:18 PM
I still think its crazy to suggest shifting the game or banning games from being played at night based on one freak of nature. the fog was still there on sunday as well so post phoning till the next day would not have been great either
the match offiicials etc were asked at half time if they wanted to keep going and they said yes.
the conditions were bad nobody is denying this at all. but calls to ban nights games is simply way over the top.
I highly doubt you would see fog like that in another 10 if not 20 years.
rugby is a game played in all conditions. they don't stop playing when it rains. sure this was really bad but the teams and everybody else involved agreed to play the game.
maybe in future they should find somone that has a spare 20 million or so to cover the re-booking of flights,catering, work compensation etc.
But you do know that there are specific temperature and humidity conditions that have to be met before a game can be played...
It happened atleast twice to my knowledge during the U-19 RWC here in Dubai, when the readings are a bit too high and the match was delayed for 15 minutes...
dobrien7
29-05-06, 06:20 AM
True - but wouldn't that be the easiest solution to this unique problem?
Just allow for it, they may never have to actually use it, but then that seems to be what guys are arguing here, whether freak weather will strike again, coincidentally on an important night...
yes I am sure there is. hence why the canterbury union consulted with match officals and the nzrfu.
allblacksfreak
29-05-06, 06:27 AM
its just not making sense... delaying a game by a day...
but the thing is it being a final game adds to the brilliant of the game dont you think? with both teams having to compete in a really bad condition...
this year, other than the S-14 final...
the guinness premiership final also had a really bad rain throughout the match, and it is really hard for both teams to play in em but hey! thats part of the fuN!
dobrien7
29-05-06, 06:34 AM
Definitely, to be the best team, you have to overcome all challengers, and the conditions... which made the game(s) harder.
for sure ideal weather conditions would be great but sadly this doesn't always happen.
and if you do it for a final why not do it for other games then.
The TRUTH
29-05-06, 06:41 AM
This thread = Yawn :zzz:
C A Iversen
29-05-06, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by esoj@May 29 2006, 06:37 PM
for sure ideal weather conditions would be great but sadly this doesn't always happen.
and if you do it for a final why not do it for other games then.
We aren't talking about slightly unideal conditions.
You always make things so black or white. It's not that simple. There are heaps of games played each year in "unideal" conditions. Nobody's saying that they should cancel games that are in slightly unideal conditions.
There are some games that are played with less than 50% visibility. Thats still no problem to me.
The game on Saturday night, would have been lucky, VERY lucky to have made 20%.
The visibility on Saturday night was ridiculous. It was beyond anything that has been seen before in Super 12/14 history.
Those of us who are saying that it would have been good if cancelled and played the next day, would not say that about any other Super 12/14 match EVER. I'm pretty sure AK and the others would agree.
The only thing I'm trying to say is that the administrators did everything by the book, and I'm fine with that. Although in the future, the book needs to be changed. People do insure against freak events and this is one that in my eyes should not have gone ahead.
As for that post showing that the fog was around at 9.30 the next morning, Well done esoj, you soooo proved me wrong. Here I was talking about the afternoon, and I should have known that 9.30am was the afternoon. I heard about 8 talkback callers in Christchurch (some who live near the ground) saying that there was no fog whatsoever. This I heard at about 12.40pm.
Mind you, this is esoj I'm responding to, a man who has never backed down on anything, so I guess I was wrong from word one. Here we go, (bracing myself for esoj's sermon).
allblacksfreak
29-05-06, 08:11 AM
blergh......
:P
woosaah
29-05-06, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by C A Iversen+May 29 2006, 09:06 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 29 2006, 06:37 PM
for sure ideal weather conditions would be great but sadly this doesn't always happen.
and if you do it for a final why not do it for other games then.
We aren't talking about slightly unideal conditions.
You always make things so black or white. It's not that simple. There are heaps of games played each year in "unideal" conditions. Nobody's saying that they should cancel games that are in slightly unideal conditions.
There are some games that are played with less than 50% visibility. Thats still no problem to me.
The game on Saturday night, would have been lucky, VERY lucky to have made 20%.
The visibility on Saturday night was ridiculous. It was beyond anything that has been seen before in Super 12/14 history.
Those of us who are saying that it would have been good if cancelled and played the next day, would not say that about any other Super 12/14 match EVER. I'm pretty sure AK and the others would agree.
The only thing I'm trying to say is that the administrators did everything by the book, and I'm fine with that. Although in the future, the book needs to be changed. People do insure against freak events and this is one that in my eyes should not have gone ahead.
As for that post showing that the fog was around at 9.30 the next morning, Well done esoj, you soooo proved me wrong. Here I was talking about the afternoon, and I should have known that 9.30am was the afternoon. I heard about 8 talkback callers in Christchurch (some who live near the ground) saying that there was no fog whatsoever. This I heard at about 12.40pm.
Mind you, this is esoj I'm responding to, a man who has never backed down on anything, so I guess I was wrong from word one. Here we go, (bracing myself for esoj's sermon). [/b]
talked to my grandad yesterday (sunday) who lives just down the road from the stadium. He was at the game, top tier at the front and he couldnt see anything. he couldnt see the tv screen though he says if he could he would be just looking at fog through fog anyway.
He also said there would have been no point playing hte game the next day as the fog was around all day anyway (and out of everyone i talk to or hear from he is the only person who i would trust and actually care about his opinion about rugby.
he got to hold the trophy after the game in the supporters club, he said it was quite small :)
just my 2 cents
Arnold Rimmer
29-05-06, 10:32 AM
Well, I for one wanted the Hurricanes to win. Of course it wasn't to be, but I'd rather have a Hurricanes loss covered by a fog, where I can't see the result. :P
Also, sorry Woosaah man, for taking the **** last week. Wasn't meant to irk, my post was just too late to make any sense.
Mehrtsisagod
29-05-06, 11:09 AM
Well I drove all the way to work playing the Crusaders theme and wore a cap into work because I know they would of done the same thing if they won.
Just because I live in Wellington doesn't mean I support them.
It's the same in the league there's no way in hell I would support the Warriors I'm a Broncos fan.
C A Iversen
29-05-06, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Mehrtsisagod@May 29 2006, 11:09 PM
Well I drove all the way to work playing the Crusaders theme and wore a cap into work because I know they would of done the same thing if they won.
Just because I live in Wellington doesn't mean I support them.
It's the same in the league there's no way in hell I would support the Warriors I'm a Broncos fan.
Same here, can't support the Warriors.
Had too many years supporting Cronulla.
dobrien7
29-05-06, 11:24 AM
Doesn't help when an idiot foolishly supported the Warriors, kind of puts you off...
Me I'm an Eels man, only slightly better off than Warriors though :(
woosaah
29-05-06, 09:25 PM
eels fan here 2 :)
and rimmer, np i wasnt worried about it, i didnt think you were los until the other thread, i was letting it go as i thought it was just a joke :)
if there was no fog canterbury woudl have won anyway :) doesnt matter
yay canterbury
Originally posted by C A Iversen+May 29 2006, 09:06 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-esoj@May 29 2006, 06:37 PM
for sure ideal weather conditions would be great but sadly this doesn't always happen.
and if you do it for a final why not do it for other games then.
We aren't talking about slightly unideal conditions.
You always make things so black or white. It's not that simple. There are heaps of games played each year in "unideal" conditions. Nobody's saying that they should cancel games that are in slightly unideal conditions.
There are some games that are played with less than 50% visibility. Thats still no problem to me.
The game on Saturday night, would have been lucky, VERY lucky to have made 20%.
The visibility on Saturday night was ridiculous. It was beyond anything that has been seen before in Super 12/14 history.
Those of us who are saying that it would have been good if cancelled and played the next day, would not say that about any other Super 12/14 match EVER. I'm pretty sure AK and the others would agree.
The only thing I'm trying to say is that the administrators did everything by the book, and I'm fine with that. Although in the future, the book needs to be changed. People do insure against freak events and this is one that in my eyes should not have gone ahead.
As for that post showing that the fog was around at 9.30 the next morning, Well done esoj, you soooo proved me wrong. Here I was talking about the afternoon, and I should have known that 9.30am was the afternoon. I heard about 8 talkback callers in Christchurch (some who live near the ground) saying that there was no fog whatsoever. This I heard at about 12.40pm.
Mind you, this is esoj I'm responding to, a man who has never backed down on anything, so I guess I was wrong from word one. Here we go, (bracing myself for esoj's sermon). [/b]
if you know someone that is willing to front up with I think something along the lines of 20 million and are willing to front that up at a moments notice sure thing.
everything is black and white in most cases.
there is conflicting reports about the fog it seems. some are saying it was gone by late morning others saying it was around all day. not that it really matters because unless someone steps up with a lot of cash etc the game can't be delayed beyond the current day anyway.
apparently things like money don't enter into ca Iversen's "I am always right" world. things like re-booking of flights catering employers being paid compenstation etc all adds up. and someone at a moments notice is expected to pay for all of this which would literally be millions of dollars.
the nzrfu etc were all consulted about post phoning the game and they decided to go ahead. the only thing that could have made them post-phone the game to the next day would be someone willing to pay for it all.
but then again ca Iversen is always right and money doesn't exist in the real world.
I look forward to the speech by ca iverson
Arnold Rimmer
30-05-06, 12:32 AM
Yeah, don't we all. Sheesh, can't we rent you two a closet to jump ou.......(no Rimmer, don't go there again). :P
Candyman
30-05-06, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Arnold Rimmer@May 30 2006, 12:32 PM
Yeah, don't we all. Sheesh, can't we rent you two a closet to jump ou.......(no Rimmer, don't go there again). :P
Rimmers Baaaack :P
C A Iversen
30-05-06, 01:00 AM
So now I'mmmm gay? Worst of all, with esoj?
I bet he'd be the dominant one too. :P
not likely you would be questioning everything and wanting it done some other way becuase you are always right :P
woosaah
30-05-06, 02:40 AM
i think you guys should break up, the relationship is not working
you both cant have it your own way
unless someone has a comprimise
C A Iversen
30-05-06, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by esoj@May 30 2006, 02:17 PM
not likely you would be questioning everything and wanting it done some other way becuase you are always right :P
I love you esoj, but not in your way!
Lets just agree to disagree before Rimmer rears his ugly head again! :lol:
Hold on, I just re-read your post. Are you saying the only reason you aren't after me is because I'd want it done some other way, and I think I'm always right?
Gee, my reason to not want you is......that I'm not gay. :P
Originally posted by woosaah@May 30 2006, 03:40 PM
i think you guys should break up, the relationship is not working
you both cant have it your own way
unless someone has a comprimise
yeah maybe. might have to reschedule though a few weather problems around.
C A Iversen
30-05-06, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by esoj+May 30 2006, 02:53 PM-->
<!--QuoteBegin-woosaah@May 30 2006, 03:40 PM
i think you guys should break up, the relationship is not working
you both cant have it your own way
unless someone has a comprimise
yeah maybe. might have to reschedule though a few weather problems around. [/b]
Now there's a man who doesn't want to start arguing for sake of it! ;)
Candyman
30-05-06, 03:12 AM
Come on guys group hug :wacko:
Gay-Guy
30-05-06, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by Candyman@May 30 2006, 03:12 PM
Come on guys group hug :wacko:
..."Rueben Thorne, Rueben Thorne, Rueben Thoooooorne........Rueben..."
Well, let`s face it, Crusaders deserve to win! They were by far the most complete team in this season! For a while i thought Tahs can keep up the pace with them but as in the last season NSW chocked in the last stages! The only team that gave Crusaders a real fight were Sharks! You`ll say Stormers but in that game the Crusaders line up consist in second key players.
Nevertheless, Crusaders dominate the competition! I`ve seen them in a decisive game vs Bulls in Loftus (i`m saying that because there was for Crusaders the game for the first place - in previous rounds they drawn vs Western Force and lost to Stormers)! No problem in winning that game - a class better than Bulls and it hurts saying so.
In the final , despite a very well and organized defence by Canes, Crusaders manage to find a gap and to score a decisive try!
Congrats Crusaders!
Originally posted by Rassie@Jun 1 2006, 08:37 PM
Well, let`s face it, Crusaders deserve to win! They were by far the most complete team in this season! For a while i thought Tahs can keep up the pace with them but as in the last season NSW chocked in the last stages! The only team that gave Crusaders a real fight were Sharks! You`ll say Stormers but in that game the Crusaders line up consist in second key players.
Nevertheless, Crusaders dominate the competition! I`ve seen them in a decisive game vs Bulls in Loftus (i`m saying that because there was for Crusaders the game for the first place - in previous rounds they drawn vs Western Force and lost to Stormers)! No problem in winning that game - a class better than Bulls and it hurts saying so.
In the final , despite a very well and organized defence by Canes, Crusaders manage to find a gap and to score a decisive try!
Congrats Crusaders!
Wow Rassie, from reading that, one could almost be forgiven for thinking that it was possible to decifer what happened during the game :huh: .
LOL, i`ve put my antifog glasses when i was watching the final on telly :D
P.S: And yeah, now a serious question. They have large numbers of non white players, how come they don`t have non white rugby balls ? :D You see, when the pitch is covered by snow (in Europe for footie but even rugby), they use fluorescent balls!
Originally posted by Rassie@Jun 1 2006, 10:02 PM
LOL, i`ve put my antifog glasses when i was watching the final on telly :D
P.S: And yeah, now a serious question. They have large numbers of non white players, how come they don`t have non white rugby balls ? :D You see, when the pitch is covered by snow (in Europe for footie but even rugby), they use fluorescent balls!
Good point actually... kinda like the Yellow AFL ball they use for night matches. Still though, with the fog coming in only an hour before kick off...
Do you think it would have been fair to postpone the game? At least for the ppl there in Jade.
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