WORLD 22

[loratadine]

with the ai, just around the corner, i was interested to see as to who people would have in there dream world xv


mine would be


1-GETHIN JENKINS - WAL
2-FLANNERY - IRE
3-HAYMAN - NZ
4-JACK - NZ
5-O CONNELL - IRE
6-EASTERBY - IRE
7-MCCAW - NZ
8-RYAN JONES - WAL

9-PEEL - WAL
10-CARTER - NZ
11-SHANE WILLIAMS - WAL
12-AARON MAUGER - NZ
13-TOM SHANKLIN - WAL
14-LOTE TUQIRI - AUS
15-CHRIS LATHAM - AUS


16-JOHN HAYES - IRE
17-JOHN SMIT - SA
18-MATFIELD - SA
19-YANNICK NYANGA - FRA
20-MIKE PHILLIPS - WAL
21-JAUZION - FRA
22-GARETH THOMAS WAL



COUNTRIES OF REPRESENTATIONS

WALES - 7
NEW ZEALAND - 5
IRELAND - 4
AUS - 2
SA - 2
FRA - 2

[edinburgh_gunner]

Of course, being patriotic to the point it blinds you, you've got more Welsh players than New Zealenders. No Scotts either. Hogg, Taylor and White should all be in there. I would do one, but I can't be bothered just now.

[loratadine]

well its personal preferences, everyones diff, and saying that hogg should be there is stuped, but still its your opinion, my side rocks.

[ShowMe]

dream/world XVs are usually biased anywayz, so not surprised by the selection, infact my team would only feature players south of the equator, with the exception of odriscoll. :P

[loratadine]

percisely all preference

cant wait to see shanklin own nz this year.

[ShowMe]

percisely all preference

cant wait to see shanklin own nz this year.
[/b]


oh yes shanklin, i remember him...he came down under with that team...the lions...hmmm...

...I cant wait either.

[DC]

odriscoll not in your 22 lora.. are you insane?!?!?!?!

[edinburgh_gunner]

Hogg > Ryan Jones.

For a second opinion, speak to one Mr R. McCaw who said Hogg was one of the best flankers he's played against after the autumn test.

[kick2touch]

1- Tony Woodcock
2- Jerry Flannery
3- Carl Hayman
4- Victor Matfield/ Chris Jack
5- Paul O'Connel
6- Jerry Collins/ Yannick Nyanga
7- Richie McCaw
8- Denis Leamy

9- Fourie Du Preez
10-Dan Carter
11-Joe Rokococo
12-Aaron Mauger
13-BOD
14-Lote Tuiquri
15-Josh Lewsey

16-Kevin Mealamu
17-CJ van der Linde
18-Matfield/Jack
19-Collins/Nyanga
20-Dwayne Peel
21-Luke McAlister
22-Mils Muliana

[loratadine]

mccaw also said that he has never played against a toguher number 7 than charvis.

[allblacksfreak]

man.. all this northerners dream of owning NZ this november is making me sick!

[loratadine]

well be sick then chump, cos if your the top, every other side will dream of beating you, you should take it as a compliment.

[Bull]

1. Os Du Randt
2. Kevin Mealamu
3. Carl Hayman
4. Chris Jack
5. Victor Matfield
6. Jerry Collins
7. Richie McCaw
8. Pierre Spies
9. Fourie Du Preez
10. Dan Carter
11. Bryan Habana
12. Matt Giteau
13. Jacque Fourie
14. Joe Rockoko
15. Chris Latham

16. Gary Botha
17. Tony Woodcock
18. Bakkies Botha
19. Phil Waugh
20. Piri Weepu
21. Wynand Olivier
22. Matt Rogers

[Bull]

man.. all this northerners dream of owning NZ this november is making me sick!
[/b]

Makes me laugh! The only team that was really competitive was Ireland.

[woosaah]

says the guy with 1/2 his team of saf players that actually were the only team to beat new zealand this year

[loratadine]

as i said nz should take it as compliment that every team dreams of beating them.

[tituslechmakus]

yep and SH ppl should not underestimate so much the north. we've beaten saf in saf, who are the only team to have beaten the AB and we don't even get one player ???? hum ??? weird !!!
there'll be surprises in these autumn tests and some of u will have to shut up !!!

[Bull]

It's not that I don't rate NH players I just feel some SH players are better, and I also don't get to see NH provincial/club games at all.

Michalak, O'Driscoll etc are excellent players, but it's personal preverence.

[tituslechmakus]

euh how many guys from the north in your XV ??? looking at your list, it seems you consider all the SH players better ... we'll see ... i don't say we're gona kick your ass, i just say you underestimate NH players value (not talking only of france but wales ireland & scotland)

[Bull]

I don't underestimate NH players at all. But there isn't one players I would include in my squad of Wales and Scotland.

My team would be made up off French, Irish and English players. I picked my 22 on Tri-nations form. Although I may replace Rogers and Olivier with O'Driscoll and Michelack. I also rate Cedric Heymans very highly.

[tituslechmakus]

so your team is not world XV but tri nation XV !!! could you make a world XV ?
by the way you did not use O'Driscoll ????????????
what about Traille, Yachvili, Betsen, Wilkinson (unwounded !!!), Henson, S.Williams or Lewsey ?

[Bull]

so your team is not world XV but tri nation XV !!! could you make a world XV ?
by the way you did not use O'Driscoll ????????????
what about Traille, Yachvili, Betsen, Wilkinson (unwounded !!!), Henson, S.Williams or Lewsey ?
[/b]

True it is a Tri-Nations team.

I didn't use Traille because Giteau, Mauger and Mc Allister are better.
Du Preez, Weepu and Gregan are better.
Collins, Mc Caw, Spies, Waugh, Smith etc are better.
Wilkinson is always injured and Pretorius, Larkham and Carter are better.
Henson well I won't get into that.
Shane Williams too small and has been out classed by numerous wings.
Lewsey I won't comment on because I haven't seen him play in a while.

These players are all my personal preverences and it's nothing to do with not liking NH players. There are NH players I rate very highly, but not enough to pick them before some SH players.

[allblacksfreak]

well be sick then chump, cos if your the top, every other side will dream of beating you, you should take it as a compliment.
[/b]

shit you're right! lol... thank you then for dreaming to beat the ABs... lol... I wonder when people will dream of beating Indonesia... oh wait.. it has happen! the ppl of Laos and Brunei r doing that...

[ShowMe]

Hogg > Ryan Jones.

For a second opinion, speak to one Mr R. McCaw who said Hogg was one of the best flankers he's played against after the autumn test.
[/b]

Well ofcourse hes gonna say that, hes not gonna say otherwise - that would be telling the truth.
lol

*runs*

:ph34r:

[DonBilly]

as i said nz should take it as compliment that every team dreams of beating them.
[/b]


I fully agree with your statement Loratadine, this is very gratifying that all the other teams consider you're the best...

[O'Rothlain]

man.. all this northerners dream of owning NZ this november is making me sick!
[/b]
I just hope the Northern Teams can beat Indonesia.

Just a wee joke.

But that origional list was definetely missing Brian O'Driscoll.

[Dumbo]

Agree with Bulls team for mine, also like him I don't get to see to much NH Rugby.
One thing though how the hell can anyone mention Shane Williams!
Haven't the Kiwi's embaressed him enough already? Although credit where credit is due, he's bloody handy to have around when you've just scored a try and want to bounce a rugby ball of the opposition's head.
Love your work Sivi, love your work.

On the serious side, why is it that we don't get to see that much NH Rugby in the SH?

Back to to the amusing my self... Shane Williams in a world 22?
Yeah right... good one.

[DC]

1. Woodcock
2. Flannery
3. Hayman
4. O'Connell
5. Jack
6. Nyanga
7. McCaw
8. Collins

9. Ellislade
10. Carter
11. Rokocoko
12. Mauger
13. O'Driscoll
14. Gear
15. Macdonald

16. Mealamu
17. Sommerville
18. Matfield
19. Botha
20. Kelleher
21. Muliaina
22. Mortlock

[The TRUTH]

Back to to the amusing my self... Shane Williams in a world 22?
Yeah right... good one.
[/b]

Spies and Olivier in a World 22 is almost as funny :P




These thingz have been done to death in the past and always result in a NH v SH shitfight.

Seeing as i've got some time to kill.... i'll give it a shot....

1.Woodcock/Sheridan
2.Mealamu
3.Hayman

4.Matfield Vickerman>Matfield>POC>>>>>>>>Jack - just watch every Test and S14 match this year
5.Vickerman

6.McCaw
7.Smith The best 3 loosies in the business
8.Collins

9.Peel
10.Carter

12.BOD
13.Mortlock ------(the best 13 in tha world....period!)

11.Habana ------(only on reputation, he's done sweet F-all in the last year)
14.Tuqiri
15.Latham

16.Paul/Flannery
17.Woodcock/Sheridan
18.POC
19.Nyanga
20.Giteau (9,10,12)
21.Jauzion
22.McDonald

Not really happy with 2 and 11 ...

There hasn't been a standout hooker in the world for a few years.... i only went for Kevin because of the dominance of the AB front row (even if he cant throw for shit).

As far as wingers go, behind Tuqiri it could be any one of Habana,Joe,Gerrard,Sivi,Rathbone or Gear... take your pick.

[edinburgh_gunner]

You could go with Dougie Hall...............




Oh wait.....he can't throw and during a game he's more likley to be found standing around on the wing doing nothing.

[loratadine]

its my choice you sh guys are proper arrogant, i see him week in week out and knows how much damage he can do... how often do you see him? uh? 1,2,3 times a year. f*** off yeah?

[tituslechmakus]

instead of fighting for that world XV (SH ppl will always say NH is craper and vice&versa)... why don't we make a SH XV and a NH XV ???

[187]

i didn't notice rupeni cacaunibuca in any of the XVs, i mean like the guy did win the award for best player in the french competition and he's been like top try scorer for the last 2 seasons.
i'd definately have cacau in my starting XV.

the only people that would undisputably make the world XV and would/should be in everybodies XV are Carter, McKaw & O'driscoll.

[ShowMe]

instead of fighting for that world XV (SH ppl will always say NH is craper and vice&versa)... why don't we make a SH XV and a NH XV ???
[/b]

hmm, a good idea......that could go both ways, sure we could make a seperate hemisphere 22 for north and south and keep everyone happy...but for how long...the comparisons wont stop, infact it could get more intensified this way and then we're back at square one...the eternal battle between NH vs SH :ranting: lets face it...topics like these are all indirect branches to that old time arguement its inevitable that we end up back here doin it all over again...hmmm... :rolleyes:

[tituslechmakus]

hum not so sure that it would get worth ... and it could be a good point to have the SH ppl's opinion on north players and v&v ... instead of saying who is better than who... we could give our opinions and perceptions on a 10 000 km away rugby.

go on SH ppl make your own NH team please

[Dumbo]

SH Team:
1. Os Du Rant - South Africa
2. Kevin Mealamu - New Zealand
3. Carl Haymen - New Zealand
4. Victor Matfield - South Africa
5. Chris Jack - New Zealand
6. George Smith - Australia
7. Richie McCaw - New Zealand
8. Jerry Collins - New Zealand

9. Fourie De Preez - South Africa
10. Daniel Carter - New Zealand
11. Joe Rocokoko - New Zealand
12. Luke McAlister - New Zealand
13. Stirling Mortlock - Australia
14. Brian Habana - South Africa
15. Malili Muliania - New Zealand

16. Tony Woodcock - New Zealand
17. Jeremy Paul - Australia
18. Nathen Sharpe - Australia
19. AJ Venter - South Africa
20. Piri Weepu - New Zealand
21. Butch James - South Africa
22. Rico Gear - New Zealand

[cwans]

If France wins the world cup next year will some of their players be deemed worthy enough on anyone's world XV?

[tituslechmakus]

naaah impossible ... too crap for SH ppl even if they are world champ !!!

[tituslechmakus]

SH Team:
1. Os Du Rant - South Africa
2. Kevin Mealamu - New Zealand
3. Carl Haymen - New Zealand
4. Victor Matfield - South Africa
5. Chris Jack - New Zealand
6. George Smith - Australia
7. Richie McCaw - New Zealand
8. Jerry Collins - New Zealand

9. Fourie De Preez - South Africa
10. Daniel Carter - New Zealand
11. Joe Rocokoko - New Zealand
12. Luke McAlister - New Zealand
13. Stirling Mortlock - Australia
14. Brian Habana - South Africa
15. Malili Muliania - New Zealand

16. Tony Woodcock - New Zealand
17. Jeremy Paul - Australia
18. Nathen Sharpe - Australia
19. AJ Venter - South Africa
20. Piri Weepu - New Zealand
21. Butch James - South Africa
22. Rico Gear - New Zealand
[/b]

weird ... a giant rat who does not put larkham at the back ?????

[DC]

If France wins the world cup next year will some of their players be deemed worthy enough on anyone's world XV?
[/b]

i have a few french in mine, nyanga and ellislade (was a toss up between him and yachvilli)

but really they dont have a great fly half, wings, or a dominant full back, their centers are alright with jauzion being actually pretty good.. i would have probably had benoit baby in my team but he was injured

[weasel5000]

1) Sheridan 2) Mealamu 3) Hayman
4) O' Connell 5) Jack / Matfield
6) Collins 7) McCaw
8) Smith

9)
10) Carter
11) Sivivatu
12) Umaga
13) O'Driscoll
14) Habana
15) Latham

16) Du Rant
17) ?
18) R Jones
19) Jack / Matfield
20) Giteau
21) Wilkinson
22) Miuilana

I don't really have much of an understanding of the depth in world rugby at 9, but with Giteau possibly playing there in Nov I have included him for versatility, of course with Sivavatu, Wilkinson. Haven't included any French players in there (due to my lack of interest), or Scottish etc I'm sure there would be some players included that would be included above say Mealamu. Umaga is included because of the fact I still believe after seeing him play in Wellington he could manage.

[loratadine]

peel is the best sh at the moment by a fair distance.

but each to there own.

[DC]

he is good, but im going based on last year, and he was injured for pretty much all of last year

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

I'll try not be too biased.

15.Latham (Aus)
14.Habana (SA)
13.O'Driscoll (Irl)
12.Jauzion (Fra)
11.Tuqiri (Aus) Top wingers should be interchangeable
10.Carter (NZ)
9.Peel (Wal)
1.Woodcock (NZ)
2.Szarzewski (Fra)
3.Hayman (NZ)
4.Matfield (SA)
5.O'Connell (Irl)
6.Betsen (Fra)
7.McCaw (NZ)
8.Leamy (Irl) Form player but no outstanding candidate. Jones (Wal) or Smith (Aus) perhaps.

16.Flannery (Irl) No outstanding candidate
17.Du Rant (SA)
18.Jack (NZ)
19.White (Sco) Based on current form
20.Ellisalde (Fra)
21.Contepomi (Arg) Covers 10,12,13
22.Mortlock (Aus)

[gjohn85]

My World 22 team

1) R. Blake - AUS
2) K. Mealamu - NZ
3) C. Hayman - NZ
4) V. Matfield - SA
5) O 'Connell - IRE
6) S. Burger - SA
7) R. McCaw - NZ
8) J. Collins - NZ

9) D. Peel - WAL
10) D. Carter - NZ
11) J. Rocokoko -NZ
12) Y.Jauzion - FRA
13) B O'Driscoll - IRE
14) B. Habana - SA
15) J. Lewsey - ENG

16) Woodcock - NZ
17) J. Paul - AUS
18) C. Jack - NZ
19) Nyanga - FRA
20) G. Grergan - AUS
21) T. Shanklin - WAL
22) L. Tuqiri - AUS

NZ = 8 Players
AUS = 3 Players
SA = 3 Players
IRE = 2 Players
WAL = 2 Players
FRA = 2 Players
ENG = 1 Player
ARG = 1 Player

[Rugby_Cymru]

Wow, looking at all the teams, i was just wondering what Byron Kelleher has to do to get into one of these world 22 squads...you know, behind Peel, that is.
And I could never put Rocokoko in a world 22 line up.
Not ever.

[tituslechmakus]

i think yachvilli is better than elissalde for those who were wondering ... ibanez is also quite good as a hooker. but this won't have interest for our SH friends as they don't care about NH players -> 4-5 out of 22 coming from NH in most of your teams ... that's why i said we should do a SH XV and a NH one ... so that these NH vs SH won't be so intense !

[Rugby_Cymru]

i think yachvilli is better than elissalde for those who were wondering ... ibanez is also quite good as a hooker. but this won't have interest for our SH friends as they don't care about NH players -> 4-5 out of 22 coming from NH in most of your teams ... that's why i said we should do a SH XV and a NH one ... so that these NH vs SH won't be so intense !
[/b]

Since Ibanez moved to Wasps he has acted like a rock for them.
He is so reliable, the guy is up there with the best, without a doubt.

[tituslechmakus]

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i think yachvilli is better than elissalde for those who were wondering ... ibanez is also quite good as a hooker. but this won&#39;t have interest for our SH friends as they don&#39;t care about NH players -> 4-5 out of 22 coming from NH in most of your teams ... that&#39;s why i said we should do a SH XV and a NH one ... so that these NH vs SH won&#39;t be so intense !
[/b]

Since Ibanez moved to Wasps he has acted like a rock for them.
He is so reliable, the guy is up there with the best, without a doubt.
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i would use him as france n°1 hooker. and i think laporte is doing the same...

[Rugby_Cymru]

Sensible choice.
Ibanez: Relibale lineouts, good scrummager and around the field doesn&#39;t play like a front row; he loves to run and with his strength that can only be a god thing for the French team and their style of play.

[tituslechmakus]

and his huge experience is very important for our team