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Well done Saffers - all the balls! I've really liked Habana's attitude in both tests.
Tragedy for ROG. You could see he was trying to get the man behind him to take on the run. Could be the end of the line for him.
Everything marginal in the last five minutes, but losing their front row was the end of the Lions. And then both centres off. Addled BOD stepping out of the line for Habana's try. Jeez, could go on and on.
Yeah well done South Africa. An absolutely amazing game. Yes I'm incredibly emotional but O'Gara is on for 13 minutes, misses 2 tackles, gets totally bounced for the try and gives away the penalty that loses us the series. He makes it easy for me to use him as a scapegoat.
There's a point. Du Preez is amazing. Best player for SA today, though Kearney gets MotM for me.
A star is born, there. Let's hope we can gain some pride in the last test.
The wingers were superb. That Irish back 3 will wreak havoc over the years to come. Centres are excellent. Had the upper hand again today, though not quite as effective. BOD wasn't quite himself to be honest. Jones is world class. He's proved it time after time after time.
Sorry about how clumsy this post is...
Well we've all learnt a lesson today:
You can't win a test match with 1 Prop, No Centres and Ronan O 'bloody hell no' Gara
Unreal match - Fair play to SA though - i was sure they were going to run out of gas - good substitutions by Divvy. Burger shouldn't have been on the pitch though for the entire game. ROG is to blame for the loss - not for the final penalty though, as that was a slightly harsh call, but for being a completely useless and weak defender for the try. That was the belief that SA needed to move forward. Without that try and conv we may have held onto it. Losing props kind of suited us to be fair but losing centres was a big loss.
Some of the SA tries were top drawer - great worked moves that came off perfectly.
Gutted by the result, but what can you do?
Well done SA - great match and i would say deserved winners even though there is sick in my throat saying it !!
Roll on next week - pride match.
P.S. - ROG won't even see the bench next week. He should just go and blow 100k like he usually does!!
Pietersen Habana and Fourie the people you must hate Lions fans and not others :P
Pietersen and not Spies who scored for the SECOND time (in a second match of course) against Lions
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No Saffa rugby players deserve our hate, Lekso! I could suggest a 'Lion' that does though...
Yupp, fair play to South Africa, really did well to come considering their first half performance. Kind of the opposite to last week, just with SA winning with their comeback.
Injuries killed off the Lions, Jenkins and Jones had a big upper hand on the Springbok front row, and the un-contested scrums after they went off really helped the Boks get teh steady platform they didn't have had with contested scrums. Roberts and O'Driscoll going off really hurt defensivly, I didn't think Fitzgerald was that good in defence, and everyone knows O'Gara can't defend. Hook should have been on the bench imo, he fills the slot of 'impact player' much better than O'Gara. Makes me wonder what the word is for the opposite of an impact player...
Anyway congrats to SA again, and all I can say is Morne Steyn can't half bloody kick! Undoubtably SA's no.10 for 2011 (or at least sharing the role with Pienaar.)
QUOTE (cyRil of Ospreylia @ Jun 27 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>No Saffa rugby players deserve our hate, Lekso! I could suggest a 'Lion' that does though...[/b]
OO yes I understand
Injuries, Simon Shaw and Ronan O'Gara are the reason the Lions lost that in my opinion. Shaw is a penalty machine while ROG is a turnstyle who adopts the toilet seat position whenever he has to make a tackle.
Burger should have been sent off but against that O'Driscoll and Sheridan were lucky not to be carded (or even penalised) for cheap shots.
3 tries to 1 to South Africa makes them deserved winners.
QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Jun 27 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What the hell are you on about, that was one of the clearest penalties you will see, you cant tackle a player in the air. O'Gara had the impact of a kitten in this match.Don't blame O'Gara myself. That penalty was crap. He never tried to tackle the player or use a shoulder. Pretty bullshit penalty. I feel that penalty was a bit of robbery for the Lions. SA didn't make the call so don't blame them. Stupid reffing really after a pretty good reffing effort.[/b]
Cracking game to watch, everyone in the pub was screaming for the last 15 or so minutes, incredible kick from Steyn. Great comeback by SA as well, wasn't expecting it to be that close after the first 20minutes or so. Suppose it went similarly to last week though.
I don't blame ROG at all for that last penalty, i think it was a wrong call by the ref. he didn't tackle in the air =/
And after hearing burger being talked up so much.....complete swear word that guy is. Wasn't impressed by Bothas sportsmanship either...
And "BEEEAAASSSTTT" got done up a treat by Jones
Hopefully we can get the last test to save a whitewash
One thing i didn't get was Shaws knockon in the first half, the ball went forward off of his shin, but i was under the impression that contact below the knee counted as a kick?
QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Jun 27 2009, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Jun 27 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What the hell are you on about, that was one of the clearest penalties you will see, you cant tackle a player in the air. O'Gara had the impact of a kitten in this match.Don't blame O'Gara myself. That penalty was crap. He never tried to tackle the player or use a shoulder. Pretty bullshit penalty. I feel that penalty was a bit of robbery for the Lions. SA didn't make the call so don't blame them. Stupid reffing really after a pretty good reffing effort.[/b]
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I wouldn't call costing his team 10 points 'the impact of a kitten' to be honest, but there we go.
This group of players deserved more than that kind of defeat. Shame that key men had to go off injured. So many "what could've been's" for the Lions over the course of the 2 tests.
Wow, epic match, worth staying up to 3am to watch. Morne Steyn...well, he's good, but NZ still have Steven Donald...ok you win.
QUOTE (Sir. Speedy @ Jun 27 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (Incredible Schalk @ Jun 27 2009, 04:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Jun 27 2009, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What the hell are you on about, that was one of the clearest penalties you will see, you cant tackle a player in the air. O'Gara had the impact of a kitten in this match.Don't blame O'Gara myself. That penalty was crap. He never tried to tackle the player or use a shoulder. Pretty bullshit penalty. I feel that penalty was a bit of robbery for the Lions. SA didn't make the call so don't blame them. Stupid reffing really after a pretty good reffing effort.[/b]
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I wouldn't call costing his team 10 points 'the impact of a kitten' to be honest, but there we go.
This group of players deserved more than that kind of defeat. Shame that key men had to go off injured. So many "what could've been's" for the Lions over the course of the 2 tests.
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I meant his physical impact, he was put on his backside by Fourie then that mindless tackle. Teh Mite will love this :laugh:
QUOTE (stevemagoo @ Jun 28 2009, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wot you talkin' 'bout?Losing props kind of suited us to be fair[/b]
Over the two tests the Lions either surrendered or were deprived of scrum dominance for 80 mins. And that's when they coughed up 80% of their points. Clearest example was Habana scoring off an uncontested today.
To all these welsh lads slating ROG...
Can I just remind you of a certain Stephen Jones missing 2 easy kicks last week, 6 points down the drain and we lost by FIVE!!!
Slightly off-topic but if you want a laugh look at the BBC 606 rugby board. It's incredible! Evidently most of them were waiting for a mistake, so they could criticize it. Amazing how quickly the Lions fall apart (though I doubt they were ever together on that board - it takes nationalism to Nick Griffin levels)
QUOTE (IsMiseJoe @ Jun 27 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Jones actually missed one reasonable chance last week. It was widely agreed that the other was a difficult one. As for ROG, it was at best a stupid blunder. Clumsiness isn't exactly a prerequisite for greatness. Add to that his unprofessional conduct in stepping out of the line to miss a tackle, and it doesn't look like his day. Don't forget he gets paid for this.To all these welsh lads slating ROG...
Can I just remind you of a certain Stephen Jones missing 2 easy kicks last week, 6 points down the drain and we lost by FIVE!!![/b]
On the up side, Kearney was magical today. He was safe as houses under the high ball. I was saddened to lose Adam Jones. He might well look back in years to come and see that 5m scrum as a career defining moment. It had me out of my seat in a way that hasn't happened in a long time. This from a Scot who views Euan Murray as the world's best tighthead. Jones isn't far behind. I also felt that Shaw deserved his shot and let nobody down. As for Burger, definite red card from my point of view. To cynically attack a fellow professional's eyes is unforgivable. Credit to the Saffies for a spirited comeback, but luck played its part today.
QUOTE (IsMiseJoe @ Jun 27 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>This week Rob Kearney missed a drop goal and the Lions lost by three!To all these welsh lads slating ROG...
Can I just remind you of a certain Stephen Jones missing 2 easy kicks last week, 6 points down the drain and we lost by FIVE!!![/b]
QUOTE (IsMiseJoe @ Jun 27 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Easy? One was I agree, the other one was not. And fi you wanna play that game, didn;t O'Gara miss kicks against the Emerging Springboks?To all these welsh lads slating ROG...
Can I just remind you of a certain Stephen Jones missing 2 easy kicks last week, 6 points down the drain and we lost by FIVE!!![/b]
O'Gara proved today he can't tackle and makes quite a lot of stupid decisions. Stephen Jones is a far better Fly Half.
What disappointment, a game we really should have won, weren't ruthless enough in the first half and took the foot of the pedal in the second.
If ROG has been playing fly half when the tackle was missed then fair enough, but it looked like he playing OC/wing, our incredibly poor bench, particularly the backs was one of the factors that cost us the game. I would have gone for Williams, Hook and Earls. Clumsy for the penalty though, I know this will sound weird, but he should have taken his eyes off the ball just for a second, so he would have known he had to jump instead of letting it fall into his hands.
If only Roberts, O'Driscoll Jenkins and Jones had stayed on
Burger shouldn't play for SA until November at the very least, absolutely ridiculous that he wasn't shown a red card. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYONDg4J_E
Shaw would have been our best player if it wasn't for the penalties, so it goes the JesusKearney.
What a game
Never a truer word spoken, I don't see why any Irishmen are rushing out to defend him, we all know that he cost us heavily but I ain't here to blame. Morne Steyn is absolute class, without a doubt, brilliant debut and geez, what a cool head! Stephen Jones was top drawer as was Kearney. Backrow functioned well, back 3 solid same for the centres. Tight 5 was much improved from last week until the props went off. SA for the tri-nations just for the fact that they can close a game out like no one else.
Im not trying to stirr something up here...
I want to make the point that because one player makes a crucial mistake it doesnt mean he should get the blame for the defeat..
We all can point out mistakes made by EVERY player that played in both tests...
Shaw gave two stupid penalties away today if we analyze every second of the game you will find fault in all the players.. NO player is 100% perfect!!
ROG happen to make the biggest error, but it easily could have been Jones, Croft, POC or a scot if they picked any
Vickery/Monye were the scapegoats last week unfairly in my opinion... It will be ROG this week...
Maybe we should look at how the Boks played in the 2nd half, they played 10 times better than us in the 2nd half and 3 try's to 1 shows they deserved it more... Sadly!!
Well played Boks!!
QUOTE (IsMiseJoe @ Jun 27 2009, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yupp O'Gara is the scapegoat, but you'd think that a Grandslam-winning Lions player would at least be able to bloody tackle!Im not trying to stirr something up here...
I want to make the point that because one player makes a crucial mistake it doesnt mean he should get the blame for the defeat..
We all can point out mistakes made by EVERY player that played in both tests...
Shaw gave two stupid penalties away today if analyze every second of the game you will find fault in all the players.. NO player is 100% perfect!!
ROG happen to make the biggest error, but it easily could have been Jones, Croft, POC or a scot if they picked any
Vickery/Monye were the scapegoats last week unfairly in my opinion... It will be ROG this week...
Maybe we should look at how the Boks played in the 2nd half, they played 10 times better than us in the 2nd half and 3 try's to 1 shows they deserved it more... Sadly!![/b]
I feel a bit sorry for ROG as it is, but I will really feel sorry for him when he goes back to Munster for Preseason, finally a moment worthy of taking the place of Northampton 2000
Really enjoyed that I have to say. A little gutted to be honest but I thought the Lions did pretty well and were (unlike last week) unlucky to lose in the end. Cant say the Boks havent been the better side over the two games though.
As for O'Gara, complete brain fart in the end for the penalty, cant really be excused from someone that experienced. He'll know and say that himself. As for the try, he was part of a defense that was beaten a little too easily all day. Stupid to point the finger at him for that try, it would be like pointing the finger at Wallace or Jones for the first try.
The thing that frustrated me was that the lions didnt really play much rugby in the second half. Where in the first half they held onto the ball and played the game as they usually would at home, in the second half they seemed to spend all day kicking it away. It was a strategic shift which became even more risky when the Lions started to drop off. No doubt the Boks were applying the pressure, but instead of playing their way out of it, they invited it on. They were never going to survive that.
I wouldnt say Genkins and Jones were a huge loss (got to replace em with Sheridan and Jones with uncontested scrums), but losing Roberts and O'Driscoll within 5 minutes of eachother, THAT was where the game was won and lost.
In the same way the loss last week wasnt Vickery's fault, this one wasnt O'Gara's.
QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Jun 28 2009, 05:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Disagree - they didn't just lose two props. They lost scrum dominance - the thing that upsets SA's attack and sets up Lions command. Overall, the Lions lost 4 of their original front row choices to injury. Very unlucky.I wouldnt say Genkins and Jones were a huge loss (got to replace em with Sheridan and Jones with uncontested scrums), but losing Roberts and O'Driscoll within 5 minutes of eachother, THAT was where the game was won and lost.
In the same way the loss last week wasnt Vickery's fault, this one wasnt O'Gara's.[/b]
ROG f***ed up. But Vickery was a complete f*** up.
With BOD and Roberts out SA probably should have won easing up. They didn't, which is a bit worrying for PDV. Credit to him for the two set piece tries, because that shows he'd figured out Lions weakness on defence. And it was good to see SA spread the ball a bit, but up against a shambles of a backline they should have been cutting through in the last fifteen minutes.
Oz look the best balanced side at the moment, so I pick them for the 3N. Sadly, NH rugby still bringing up the rear.
Lol excuses already pouring in from the Lions. Never has a team visited our shores so arrogant or such poor losers. 2-0 is proof enough.
Burger aside the Lions were as dirty as anyone and once the Boks cottoned on to this the Boks calmed down and beat the Lions AGAIN. My only sad point in rugby terms is I have lost all respect for the Irish and Welsh who I always admired in rugby. Officially the biggest losers in the game.
The sour grapes from this BIL is sad to say the least.
QUOTE (TheBokke @ Jun 27 2009, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wut?Lol excuses already pouring in from the Lions. Never has a team visited our shores so arrogant or such poor losers. 2-0 is proof enough.
Burger aside the Lions were as dirty as anyone and once the Boks cottoned on to this the Boks calmed down and beat the Lions AGAIN. My only sad point in rugby terms is I have lost all respect for the Irish and Welsh who I always admired in rugby. Officially the biggest losers in the game.
The sour grapes from this BIL is sad to say the least.[/b]
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