TRF newcomers shouldnt be allowed to post threads IMO.

[Sam Owen]

I think newcomers shouldnt be allowed to post threads becuase it gives these one post members a chance to flood our forum with rubbish and then leave. They should only be allowed to post a thread after a certain amount of posts, otherwise our forum is open to "abuse" of the privilege of being able to post a thread. While some newcomers do post good interesting threads, others could do with a bit of earnt trust before they can post threads.

Sometimes I think it could be one of our own members, to afraid to throw something out there on their own accord so they make up a bogus personality just to bring up an issue they have. By having this new rule that Im proposing, it'll encourage our own members to speak whats on their mind.

This will also eradicate ridiculous threads from one post members who just want to annoy people.

[TRF_Ezequiel]

We will discuss this ASAP. To be honest I do feel it has a downside to it when you only allow lets say 100+ post-members to open threads.

[psychic duck]

that's like muzzling all dogs because a few bite

[TNT88]

Good idea.

[Peat]

Not a fan. You get people signing up to ask questions about what they should be doing as a coach, as a player, as an athlete - you're effectively banning them from doing so, or forcing them to just take over other threads.

[Logorrhea]

We will discuss this ASAP.

Why does Sams suggestion get an admin conversation but my suggestion for an IQ test gets laughed at and called silly! Seriously?

I want my idea to be discussed as well!

If this server was run by Declan Kidney hed have no problem admitting memebrs based on where they are from. Why do you guys?

[TRF_Ezequiel]

Hmm, must have missed that

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

that's like muzzling all dogs because a few bite

Agreed

[Me 1]

Terrible idea. I've not made 100 posts yet I've posted threads and I'm still here.

[TNT88]

Actually i've changed my mind. Due to the point raised about people joining up wanting coaching/playing tips/resources. The "rugby forum" almost has a duty to the rugby world to ensure those in need of answers get quality ones. Doing our bit for the world game!

Sam Owen is right when he says there is an issue at hand though. Just not sure of a good solution yet.

[TRF_Cymro]

I have created and spent time merging threads in the RWC'11 Game section, but its difficult. I am in agreement that something needs to be done to sort out the gaming noobs who are spoiling this forum.

[Teh Mite]

What a dumb idea.

[Sam Owen]

Not a fan. You get people signing up to ask questions about what they should be doing as a coach, as a player, as an athlete - you're effectively banning them from doing so, or forcing them to just take over other threads.

Very good point, I forgot about that.

What a dumb idea.

[TRF_Getofmeland]

To be honest imposing a limit or a "target" would not work, it would cause more issues than it would solve, some of the older members on the board will remember the good old fashioned 10 post limit to view the Rugby Gaming forums, that lead to people coming on board and spamming areas.

Just for some clarity what areas of the forum are we look at, that are causing the problems... this will allow us to gauge the problem and see where we need to target and may help come towards a solution.

[lucky number 7]

[cmac95]

ha I agree with this anyone who is currently under 200 posts should be immediately banned and the rest of us cool people will belong to the most exclusive website on the net.

[Sam Owen]

TRF newcomers shouldnt be allowed to post threads = BAN????

[formerlyfastwing]

I am all for it......now......a while back no so much...

[Sam91]

Perhaps evaluate all threads by 'newcomers' on a case by case basis, surely it can't be that hard to not read "trolling" threads I doubt it makes your lives that much harder no?

[TRF C A Iversen]

Perhaps evaluate all threads by 'newcomers' on a case by case basis, surely it can't be that hard to not read "trolling" threads I doubt it makes your lives that much harder no?

I pretty much agree with some of this. If a thread has it's merits then we should keep it. If it's full of trolling or off the point discussion or arguments then it's probably just worth closing or removing, even if a few posts have some validity.

I do agree with Cymro that it can time consuming for mods, so they need to be able to make a few tough calls from time to time. We can't spend all day tidying up threads that are full of trolling, whether or not there are some okay posts in there.

[smartcooky]

Here are a couple of my thoughts, for what they are worth.

1. IMO those who take a responsible view of TRF should pay to be a Season Ticket holder. Its cheap enough. In my experience, the best message boards are the ones that moderate themselves, and TRF is one of those; it certainly better at it than PR!! To assist with that, I see the STHs taking up a role as intermediaries between the Admins & Mods and the General Membership. I would like to see them bring the sort of thing that Sam is talking about onto the season ticket forum for discussion. If we get one-post/one thread WUMs and trolls arriving just to indulge in muck raking, the STHs can discuss it away from the prying eye of the idiot concerned, and ask the admins to remove the offending post/thread if that is the consensus.
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2. Another possibility is to have a system that requires the first post of any new user to be approved before it "goes to air", that way if the first post is a wind-up, the Mods and Admins can knock it on the head before anyone gets to see it. If you have a problem with Admin/Mod workload with the number of new members joining, you could consider giving the STH's very limited moderator rights that would only allow them to approve/reject a new members first post. I'm not sure if this is technically possible with vBulletin. I know that with PHPBBv3 you can give any member individual tools to do certain moderation tasks without actually making them a member of the moderation group. It is done by creating a "Role", and assigning that "Role" to a group; in this case STH's

Anyway, that's what I think. Just me thinking out loud really.

[TRF C A Iversen]

Here are a couple of my thoughts, for what they are worth.

1. IMO those who take a responsible view of TRF should pay to be a Season Ticket holder. Its cheap enough. In my experience, the best message boards are the ones that moderate themselves, and TRF is one of those; it certainly better at it than PR!! To assist with that, I see the STHs taking up a role as intermediaries between the Admins & Mods and the General Membership. I would like to see them bring the sort of thing that Sam is talking about onto the season ticket forum for discussion. If we get one-post/one thread WUMs and trolls arriving just to indulge in muck raking, the STHs can discuss it away from the prying eye of the idiot concerned, and ask the admins to remove the offending post/thread if that is the consensus.
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2. Another possibility is to have a system that requires the first post of any new user to be approved before it "goes to air", that way if the first post is a wind-up, the Mods and Admins can knock it on the head before anyone gets to see it. If you have a problem with Admin/Mod workload with the number of new members joining, you could consider giving the STH's very limited moderator rights that would only allow them to approve/reject a new members first post. I'm not sure if this is technically possible with vBulletin. I know that with PHPBBv3 you can give any member individual tools to do certain moderation tasks without actually making them a member of the moderation group. It is done by creating a "Role", and assigning that "Role" to a group; in this case STH's

Anyway, that's what I think. Just me thinking out loud really.

There's (as always) some good food for thought in there Cooky. It definitely has some merits worth discussing for sure. I'm likely to be in touch with you and some other members about something related to this and also the World Cup within the next 24-48 (when I get some more time).

[HenryChinaski]

I can see why this is being discussed but it definitely has big drawbacks. Even if you get a load of crap posted by new members, surely the founding principle of a forum is inclusion and openness. It would be really bad if future 1000+ posters are discouraged from starting up properly just because they can't fully participate at the early stagesand ask questions they want to etc. Ultimately, you really don't want any forum becoming too exclusive with new people feeling that they can't talk about the things they want to talk about(i.e by starting their own threads).

I dunno,maybe some sort of 'endorsement' system for threads whereby if there area certain number of negative endorsements by members the thread will automatically be deleted? Suppose that takes some responsbility off the hands of the Mods whilst not committing normal members to being quasi-Moderators themselves

[TRF C A Iversen]

I can see why this is being discussed but it definitely has big drawbacks. Even if you get a load of crap posted by new members, surely the founding principle of a forum is inclusion and openness. It would be really bad if future 1000+ posters are discouraged from starting up properly just because they can't fully participate at the early stagesand ask questions they want to etc. Ultimately, you really don't want any forum becoming too exclusive with new people feeling that they can't talk about the things they want to talk about(i.e by starting their own threads).

I dunno,maybe some sort of 'endorsement' system for threads whereby if there area certain number of negative endorsements by members the thread will automatically be deleted? Suppose that takes some responsbility off the hands of the Mods whilst not committing normal members to being quasi-Moderators themselves

It's good to see so many people at least trying to approach this rationally and realise that we as a bunch of mods are not going into some kind knee-jerk reaction. All of this input is valuable to us for ideas on how both we can do things in the future and how our membership feels. We're just trying to take this stuff on board.

Believe me though, all of the moderating team are aware that a great discussion can be brought forward by even the newest members. It's just that at this time, with the World Cup and two games going on, we're getting a lot of new posters and this was always going to be a mixed blessing.

[TNT88]

Maybe we should ban anyone with less than 20 posts from creating a thread in the Rugby2012 forums? This way newbs can't start threads to vent about how bad they think the game is, and it doesn't stop those genuinely seeking rugby help from doing so in the rugby galactica section.

Are there any valid first post threads in the rugby2012 section? Seems to me like 99% of all new threads from new members there are spam.

[lucky number 7]

TRF newcomers shouldnt be allowed to post threads = BAN????

Don't worry mate I am taking the mick

[TRF_SelimNiai]

Here are a couple of my thoughts, for what they are worth.

1. IMO those who take a responsible view of TRF should pay to be a Season Ticket holder. Its cheap enough. In my experience, the best message boards are the ones that moderate themselves, and TRF is one of those; it certainly better at it than PR!! To assist with that, I see the STHs taking up a role as intermediaries between the Admins & Mods and the General Membership. I would like to see them bring the sort of thing that Sam is talking about onto the season ticket forum for discussion. If we get one-post/one thread WUMs and trolls arriving just to indulge in muck raking, the STHs can discuss it away from the prying eye of the idiot concerned, and ask the admins to remove the offending post/thread if that is the consensus.
   _____
2. Another possibility is to have a system that requires the first post of any new user to be approved before it "goes to air", that way if the first post is a wind-up, the Mods and Admins can knock it on the head before anyone gets to see it. If you have a problem with Admin/Mod workload with the number of new members joining, you could consider giving the STH's very limited moderator rights that would only allow them to approve/reject a new members first post. I'm not sure if this is technically possible with vBulletin. I know that with PHPBBv3 you can give any member individual tools to do certain moderation tasks without actually making them a member of the moderation group. It is done by creating a "Role", and assigning that "Role" to a group; in this case STH's

Anyway, that's what I think. Just me thinking out loud really.

Good ideas although the second will need to appoint more people to have the power to reject said posts.

[psychic duck]

1. Another possibility is to have a system that requires the first post of any new user to be approved before it "goes to air", that way if the first post is a wind-up, the Mods and Admins can knock it on the head before anyone gets to see it. If you have a problem with Admin/Mod workload with the number of new members joining, you could consider giving the STH's very limited moderator rights that would only allow them to approve/reject a new members first post.

good idea

I have created and spent time merging threads in the RWC'11 Game section, but its difficult. I am in agreement that something needs to be done to sort out the gaming noobs who are spoiling this forum.

why do you bother? by the time you would probably be about five new threads by some loser who knows nothing about the real sport saying their "disappointment" or it's the "same as Rugby 08", or that they "won a match on the game 35-14 as Ireland", which nobody cares about

an idea I have is a "junk section" where all stupid posts/threads were moved to by a moderator

the only bad thing that could happen though is that the moderator could just move stuff they don't agree with, but I think most of the moderators wouldn't do that

[Logorrhea]

I'm eagerly awaiting the confirmation that the mods have decided to implement the IQ system I proposed.

Its the only option available lads. Either that, or make everyone mods and we can all spend the days deleting and editing eachothers posts. It'll be like that stupid google wave thing last year.

[TRF_Getofmeland]

We are still thinking on a method, some good suggestions some not so good suggestions... But they are all valid