I don't know US and Canada have much better backs than Georgia, in fact i'd go as far saying the Georgian backs are rubbish. If they can at least gain parity in the scrum and contest the breakdown well i'd fancy Georgia to lose to both of them
Last edited by welshglory; 10-06-12 at 03:38 PM.
Whilst you are right that the team played was understrength, so will be the one to play USA and Canada.
There should be at least 7 to 9 changes from this team for USA I would think, but it still won't be full strength.
USA showed yesterday against Canada they are an plucky side who won't make it easy, just like they didn't in 2010 when they travelled to Georgia. Canada are roughly on a similar level to Georgia, and just have Cudmore missing, plus Kleeberger and Monro injured from their first choice side. Georgia have their talisman, best front row, best flanker and best lock unavailable. I think it would be close not comfortable even if Georgia had a full team.
I would take one win and one close loss with the players unavailable to be honest, not too optimistic about Georgia's chances.
the fly half Kvirikashvili is very inconsistent, and error prone, even though he can now and again pull out a superb kick, he doesn't tackle, and doesn't create, and is inconsistent kicking, Khmaladze is an alternative but is also inconsistent
the full back is another problem at the World Cup Georgia played a centre at 15 in Gigauri who was exposed as awful there, as he was too slow, couldn't kick and couldn't handle the high ball well and has now been dropped totally after a poor match earlier this year, none of the options at 15 are that good, but the first choice Shkinin is injured so Kiasashvili is there for the moment, the only other options is playing a fly half or winger at 15
in the centres, most of them can at least hold their own in defence, Kacharava had a good ENC, Sharikadze is just 18 and adds creativity to Zibzibadze, but is still a rookie
scrum half was okay, Abuseridze has had some good matches including at World Cups, but he is 34 and now on the decline, and hasn't looked the same this year for Georgia apart from the Russia match
Canada have some good backs, but last time Georgia played their 10 Braid had a nightmare and Georgia dominated possession so they didn't get much chances, I'm not so sure about the USA backs though, they weren't that good at the World Cup
Last edited by psychic duck; 10-06-12 at 04:03 PM.
You're right the American backs weren't that good in the world cup but against other tier 2 sides i expect it will be different, Russia was a dogged game so it wasn't going to be high scoring. They have some pedigree there in Wyles, Ngwenya, Emerick, Paterson and Petri.
I'd say that Canada don't have as much quality as the US but i really rate van der Merwe, Phil McKenzie is good, Matt Evans is also pretty good and Pritchard is very solid, especially against tier 2 teams.
I think our counter-attacking and solid defense is going to rip Georgia apart.
Last edited by Canadian_Rugger; 10-06-12 at 04:31 PM.
this Georgia team has stronger backs than that team, but the forwards are quite similar
Canada have better backs tan the USA, Ngwenya is only really useful in a team that can provide opportunities, he has little impact on the game at USA level often, Canada's backs pass better and get better ball for their good backs
Just as i feared. we have the same roster for the American tour that played Ukraine game. Which Is much closer to our A team than our regular team. Not even Basilaia will play instead they called Retired Gia Labadze back into the squad. Wow :|. That means only two players from our pack are actual first team forwards, Zirakashvili and chkaidze. Its basically the same lineup that lost to span this year
calling up a 38 year old out of retirement says it all, that pack is poor, and that would have been Georgia's advantage had it been full strength, some of those players (Nariashvili, Belkania, Z Maisuradze, Chitidze) would struggle to get into a Georgian 30 man World Cup squad if picked right now, never mind the first choice starting lineup
the difference between Kakovin to Nariashvili, Natriashvili to Belkania (who apparently was crap against Ukraine), Berishvili to Kolelishvili, Maisuradze to Gorgodze is too big to make up, Zirakashvili is the only regular Top 14 player left in the squad, I think this could be a similar game to the one in the Churchill Cup in 2009 where a poor Georgian side similar to this one lost 42-10
the fans on the Georgian forum are very pessimistic now
1: fourth choice (Mikheil Nariashvili)
2: fourth choice (Revaz Belkania)
3: first choice (Davit Zirakashvili)
4: second choice (Vakhtang Maisuradze)
5: third choice (Davit Chitidze)
6: first choice (Giorgi Chkhaidze)
7: second choice (Givi Berishvili)
8: third choice (Zviad Maisuradze)
Georgian revised squad for North American tour
Loosehead Prop: Mikheil Nariashvili, Irakli Mirtskhulava
Missing: Vasil Kakovin (Toulouse), Davit Khinchagishvili (Brive), Anton Peikrishvili (Castres), Goderdzi Shvelidze (Brive)
Hooker: Rezo Belkania, Shalva Mamukashvili
Missing: Jaba Bregvadze (Toulouse), Irakli Natriashvili (Brive), Akvsenti Giorgadze (Toulouse)
Tighthead Prop: Davit Zirakashvili, Levan Chilachava
Missing: Giorgi Jgenti (Montpellier), Davit Kubriashvili (Toulon), Beka Sheklashvili (Dax)
Lock: Vakhtang Maisuradze, Giorgi Chkhaidze, Davit Chitidze
Missing: Levan Datunashvili (Aurillac), Giorgi Nemsadze (Tarbes)
Flanker: Beka Bitsadze, Giorgi Tkhilaishvili, Givi Berishvili, Grigol Labadze
Missing: Shalva Sutiashvili (Massy), Vito Kolelishvili (Clermont)
Number 8: Zviad Maisuradze
Missing: Mamuka Gorgodze (Montpellier), Dimitri Basilaia (Edinburgh)
Scrum Half: Irakli Abuseridze, Giorgi Begadze, Bidzina Samkharadze
Fly Half: Merab Kvirikashvili, Lasha Khmaladze, Lasha Malaghuradze
Centre: Davit Kacharava, Tedo Zibzibadze, Merab Sharikadze
Wing: Irakli Machkhaneli, Lexo Gugava, Sandro Todua
Full Back: Irakli Kiasashvili, Beka Tsiklauri
Missing: Giorgi Skhinin
Players withdrawn from original squad: Akvsenti Giorgadze, Beka Sheklashvili, Bachuki Gujaraidze, Shalva Sutiashvili, Dimitri Basilaia
Players added to the squad: Grigol Labadze (out of retirement)
I understand all the youth development and need for depth. but this is too much. GRU should also consider that rugby fans are waiting for these games whole year and maybe they should at least consider calling a stronger squad. I know for sure that at least several ProD2 and Top14 Players were available. they could have gathered at least 3rd choice team instead of this Z side. no disrespect to any of these players I know they will try their best to represent the country and as a fellow young rugger I'm happy for them, but seriously what are the odds of winning away with this kind of squad.
Fiji, Samoa, Tonga all have the same problem for internationals against each other, and other Tier 2 nations
the ones who don't seem to suffer so much is Canada (only lose Cudmore), USA (seem to get Ngwenya, Wyles, Clever available) and Japan (all players Japanese based)
Last edited by psychic duck; 11-06-12 at 08:10 PM.
Even though this raises Canada's chances of winning, it dissapoints me that Georgia weren't able to bring over their first and second choice players in so many positions. I was hoping this game would be valuble to the Canadian forwards in learning how to handle themselves against an opponent that is superior in the set pieces. Now it looks like Canada will actually have a bit of an advantage up front, thankfully the Georgian backs are first choice which should keep Canada from running riot.
There could be the scenario that Canada might take this oppourtunity to put more of the younger guys out on the field though, which could keep this game close. Canada has a few people hurt which has meant some third choicers on the bench, if Crowley starts them it might not be a cake walk for Canada, especially for the first 40-60 minutes.
@Toko and Psychic, is this a case of the Top 14 not wanting to release players or was this the choice of the coach and selectors to field a younger side? As you said Psychic the only player that Canada consistently has trouble getting is Cudmore although Josh Jackson has been hard to access at times as well.
20 year old Georgian prop Zurhab Zhvania was signed by Stade Français. Unlikely to get a lot of gametime this season, though. Have you guys seen him play?
Yes I saw Zurhab Zhvania on JWRT in Georgia. he looked really promising and was picked up by Stade Francis shortly after the tournament. Future Kubriashvili I hope
Last edited by Toko_11; 12-06-12 at 05:12 PM.
the GRU president has apparently said that boosting Georgia up the rankings isn't important and what is important is to test new players.
Which is okay against Ukraine, but against Canada and USA there should be the strongest.
How come Gorgodze plays Barbarians and misses Georgia?
not that I blame him though, as it will be a rare opportunity for him to play against the top level teams internationally
Georgian team to play the USA
1. Mikheil Nariashvili
2. Revaz Belkania
3. Davit Zirakashvili
4. Beka Bitsadze
5. Vakhtang Maisuradze
6. Grigol Labadze
7. Givi Berishvili
8. Giorgi Chkhaidze
9. Irakli Abuseridze
10. Merab Kvirikashvili
11. Sandro Todua
12. Merab Sharikadze
13. Davit Kacharava
14. Irakli Machkhaneli
15. Lasha Khmaladze
16. Shalva Mamukashvili
17. Irakli Mirtskhulava
18. Zviad Maisuradze
19. Giorgi Tkhilaishvili
20. Giorgi Begadze
21. Lasha Malaghuradze
22. Irakli Kiasashvili
Rugby World Cup 2023 should be in Argentina
Dimitry Basilaia will make his debut for Edinburgh against Newcastle Falcons today....
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Georgia was the only team we beat this summer. Coming up in November the US plays Tonga, Russia, and Romania. We lost to Canada and Italy. LOL, We had 2 red cards in the game against Italy losing 30:10. In the meantime, I'll watch the Springboks play the All Blacks & whatever happens in the currie cup. Not much rugby in the United States unless you watch amateur or college rugby, lol.
Pro georgians players (Top14/ProD2/RaboDirectPro12) this season :
- Vasil Kakovin (Stade Toulousain, Top14, France)
- Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier HRC, Top14, France)
- Zurab Zhvania (Stade Français, Top14, France)
- Anton Peikrisvhili (Castres Olympique, Top14, France)
- Davit Khinchagishvili (CA Brive, ProD2, France)
- Goderzi Svhelidze (CA Brive, ProD2, France)
- Karlen Asieshvili (Stade Aurillacois, ProD2, France)
- Guram Kavtidze (Lyon OU, ProD2, France)
- David Dadunashvili (Tarbes PR, ProD2, France)
- Giorgi Tetrasvhili (SC Albi, ProD2, France)
- Irakli Natriashvili (CA Brive, ProD2, France)
- Vakhtang Akhobadze (SC Albi, ProD2, France)
- Davit Zirakashvili (ASM Clermont, Top14, France)
- Davit Kubriashvili (RC Toulon, Top14, France)
- Giorgi Jgenti (Montpellier HRC, Top14, France)
- Levan Chilachava (RC Toulon, Top14, France)
- Beka Sheklashvili (AS Béziers, ProD2, France)
- Giorgi Natsarashvili (Stade Aurillacois, ProD2, France)
- David Ashvetia (RC Massy, ProD2, France)
- Tariel Ratianidze (US Dax, ProD2, France)
- Irakli Mirtsukulava (Tarbes PR, ProD2, France)
- Kakhaber Koberidze (SC Albi, ProD2, France)
- Konstantin Mikautadze (RC Toulon, Top14, France)
- Levan Datunashvili (Stade Aurillacois, ProD2, France)
- Giorgi Nemsadze (Tarbes PR, ProD2, France)
- Vakhtang Maisuradze (SC Albi, ProD2, France)
- Mamuka Gorgodze (Montpellier HRC, Top14, France)
- Dimitri Basiliaia (Edinburgh Rugby, RaboPro12, Scotland)
- Vito Kolelishvili (ASM Clermont, Top14, France)
- Giorgi Chkhaidze (Tarbes PR, ProD2, France)
- Shalva Sutiashvili (RC Massy, ProD2, France)
- Sandro Todua (SC Albi, ProD2, France)
Tamaz Mchedlidze (Mont-de-Marsan, centre, born in 1993) played his first Amlin Cup game yesterday against Gloucester
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Originally Posted by FLIDTA RISXVA
Big name signing for the coaching team as he was a great player. But is he a great coach?
Can any New Zealanders comment on the work Tana Umaga has done with Counties Manukau these last couple of years, and whether he's rated highly as a coach in New Zealand.
I expect with his reputation as a player he will be asking for a decent wage for this little advisory role with the side, hopefully his coaching ability can match his playing ability.
A possible team to face Fiji and Japan :
1.Vasil Kakovin (Stade Toulousain)
2.Irakli Natriashvili (CA Brive)
3.Giorgi Jgenti (Montpellier HRC)
4.Konstantin Mikautadze (RC Toulon)
5.Levan Datunashvili (Stade Aurillacois)
6.Vito Kolelishvili (ASM Clermont)
7.Mamuka Gorgodze (Montpellier HRC)
8.Dimitri Basilaia (Edinburgh Rugby)
9.Merab Kvirikashvili (AS St Junien)
10.Lasha Khmaladze (Lelo Tbilissi)
11.Merab Sharikadze (Hartpury College RFC)
12.Tamaz Mchedlidze (Stade Montois)
13.Tedo Zibzibadze (CA Périgueux)
14.Sandro Todua (SC Albi)
15.Beka Urjukashvili (SC Aubenas)
6 Top14 players, 1 RaboDirectPro12 player, 3 ProD2 players, 3 Federale1 players, 1 BUCS player, 1 georgian championship player