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Now who's smoking?Originally Posted by Cave Dweller
Lomu never scored against SA in all the matches he played against them because the Springboks adopted a tactic of paying him extra attention, often double teaming. However, that tactic may have led to tries being scored by other players.
In any case, not scoring against SA is no big deal. Lomu failed to dot down against Wales either, even though be played 3 games against them
Last edited by smartcooky; 20-05-12 at 10:52 AM.
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Yes, but I think you're missing the point, All throughout the world cup in 95, Lomu Demolished everything in his path, Mike Catt being the most memorable one, and when it was the final, Lomu tried his utmost best to do the same to little David, but David showed everyone that he is not afraid of the big Goliath... It like it was written in a book long ago...
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Am I the only one who's getting this weird mental image in my head. Every time Cave Dweller and Smartcooky argues it's like these two old guys sitting at the bar at the local pub. (we all know them) getting absolutely sloshed and shouting at each other?
I don't drink alcohol, so it can't be me.
Oh one last thing who was the leading try scorer in the 1996 Super 12 Competition? I can't remember.
Yes you do, it was James Small (13), and his team-mate Andre Joubert (11) wasn't far behind
But as you will realise, rugby is a TEAM game... which TEAM scored the most tries..... and I do remember, it was Auckland. (68 tries) ahead of Natal (56 tries)
Small and Joubert and Jeremy Thomson (7 tries) scored 31 tries between them, that's over half Natal's total.... so what were the rest of the ~30 players doing?
Last edited by smartcooky; 20-05-12 at 08:11 PM.
Yeah I wasn't saying Small was a bad player or anything, nobody thinks he is shit, just maybe not as highly regarded as you guys hold him. But I can understand it since he did defend Jonah well in the final in '95 so that one game obviously has helped his legacy for SA fans. You just compared him to Wilson which wasn't a good comparison to make as Wilson was obviously the better player.
Also, Cullen actually played against Small when they were both test players from '96 onwards (in tests and in Super 12), whereas I'm pretty sure Howarth was long retired from NZ rugby when Habana came on the scene so again, not a good comparison.
These arguments are always filled with the weaker, desperate side with no argument, always with Vicky Pollard "yeah but no but yeah but no but" arguments.
Never gonna get anywhere, always too proud to concede...
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Woops sorry Cooky, my bad. Maybe two old guys sitting at BBQ then?
Just trying to lighten the mood, sadly I can't participate in the discussion. Didn't care much for rugby in the early 90s on account of being a little kid. My first memory of rugby is the 1999 World Cup and Australia beating us, watched it on a tiny tv. Shit wait no, I remember watching a match where Pienaar still played, against England. Dammit...
I mean history is interesting and extremely important, but really, arguing this much over it is kinda pointless imo. I've learned a few cool facts just from reading this thread, but sheesh, this arguing is getting a bit tedious, it's like Super 10 thread all over again. I'm not blaming anyone, I couldn't give two shits about who started what. Now I'll weakly attempt to get this thread back on track.
I think Pierre Spies was overhyped in 2009 (note, 2009), played amazingly well in the Super 14. Wow scored some epic tries, I still remember them. Everyone thought he was going to rip the Lions to shreds and destroy them single-handedly while kicking Chuck Norris' ass. Didn't really happen.
Kankowski was also really overhyped but failed to perform on an international level. Everyone said the All Blacks should fear him and the day SA decides to start him in the no.8 jersey.
I might get a bit of flak for this, but wasn't Quade Cooper hyped up a bit?
Let's see now... I remember from a while back everyone spoke really highly of Luke McAllister, never saw much of him.
Trying to think of an overhyped player from NH... I think B'OD deserves all the hype he got, great player even if he had his bad days. Chris Ashton, but just because I think he's a twat.
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Mainly by the Aussie commentators who had never had that type of player on the scene over there before. He is basically a poor man's Carlos Spencer, same bag of tricks and everything. Yet the way they rave on about him you would think he invented no-look passing and all the flick passes and jump-stepping, which, as anyone in NZ knows, is done by half the kids playing touch footy at lunchtime at school and has been for years.
McAlister was one of those guys who had all the physical tools to be great but could never put it all together for very long. His attitude and some poor career decisions cost him. Turned out to be a pretty average AB in the end when he was hyped up to be someone who was going to be awesome.
Lol absolutely! Heck I used to do that! Classic example of Aussies taking credit for kiwi talent.
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lol which one bro?
Waits for wafer thin example.
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You are all over the place.. First off you brought Wilson into the conversation as someone said all Small did was finish tries on the end of the chain, to which you replied "just like Wilson" or something to that effect. I then explained to you that he wasn't like Wilson at all so at comparison was invalid. So you clearly were making a comparison, but now you're saying you weren't?
Secondly, you said you can't compare Cullen to Small as it is unfair to compare Cullen to "old" players, backing that up with the reasoning you can't. compare Habana to Howarth (presumably due to the fact they were in different eras). I then pointed out Cullen and Small played test rugby and Super rugby against each other, and now you are changing the basis of not be unable to compare Cullen to Small because he is awesome?
Put a bit more out in before you post and you won't have to go back and contradict earlier poorly thought out points.
Just wait bro. He'll post something interesting and entertainingly misguided soon.
It'll be like red-herrings eating each other's tails, going in circles soon.
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That was in response to someone saying Small only scored on the end of the chain. Which part of your post isn't a comparison?... Saying "just like Wilson" is making a direct comparison.
Is English of Afrikaans your first language? It might explain some of the confusion in your posts.
Last edited by donmcdazzle; 21-05-12 at 01:21 AM.
Right ok, makes sense now. Should have said that in your first post and you would have saved us both from arguing over nothing.
lol I knew you were gonna do the birth thing! Wish I'd wagered something on it actually.
That means Mehrts was a saffa (explains his boring kicking game
It's a combination of growth and who the player identifies with in the end. Essentially, Quade was orn and bred in NZ, and only very late in his rugby development did he don YELLOW (not Gold) colours. Nothing more nothing less.
Being born somewhere doesn't make you who you are. And while it LEGALLY obliges you to represent that nation, does not maketh the man.
Come on man, I thought behind all the shaky logic you use, that you were at least smarter than that!
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Posh rugby? lol
Talk about resentment.
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As much as I agree with how much of an off-field pillock Henson is, I really wish the media would gets it's facts rights about the whole train incident from a few years back. Wasn't actually him who did the deed (something along the lines of taking a leak in the middle of the carriage?) but one of his mates, I swear a family came forward and cleared him of the public disorder stuff because he was sat with them at the time talking to their young son who was an O's supporter? As much of a complete knob he's been off the pitch, we at least owe the guy enough not to credit him with shit that he did not actually do!
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Fergus McFadden could be a contender. I swear some Leinster supporters thought he'd be the next O'Driscoll...
Most Leinster fans here were quite realistic about McFadden. He's a talented player, who's probably underrated by many imo. He's got a good all round game, and could become a future star. Always tough to follow the likes of O'Driscoll though....
Its unfair to build people up as the next O'Driscoll as no one is gonna be as good as if for a long time to come, if ever. Mcfadden is a top player but is not gonna be on par with O'driscoll at any stage in his career so people should just accept that now and let him grow as a player and to succeed o'driscoll one day
I'll take Chester's word that James Small is a racist clown being as he called Chester a F****** K****** on the pitch, asked him why he is playing 'OUR' game and proceeded to belittle and shun him throughout his career.
Anyway aside from that ive gone back and read your posts over the last few pages and despite making a complete tool of yourself in most of your pointless, groundless arguments and accusations, you're actually a big of a dagg.....
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Try and stick to the topic lads, it's not about who is the biggest prick of the field...
The ones that comes up without giving to much though in recent history and current (first time I see this topic, at page 11 - face palm)
My list is over-hyped, not saying they are necessarily bad players, although some were shocking.
Mike Catt
Boeta Wessels
Jorrie Muller - some bad mistakes are still called a "Jorrie" today
Ben Tune - they made a god of an average to good wing
Justin Harrison (Wallaby Lock, not sure of spelling)
Clyde Rathbone
Earl Rose
Morne Steyn - match winner yes - over hyped, yes
and just fun trivia - worst Bok ever:
Dale Santon – replacement hooker.
Also qualifies as being the Bok with the least game time ever.
Red carded 15 seconds after coming onto the field.
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In his prime (e.g. 2001-2004ish... before he got fat) he was the most devastating wing I've ever seen - he could score tries from anywhere. He scored 15 tries in 13 matches for the Blues, and looked on his way to becoming one of the greats of the game. Unfortunately he is incredibly lazy, so he never really lived up to his potential....
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