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No way, taking a dump is a perfect time for deep philosophical thoughts. I can't even begin to count the amount of times I reached a mind staggering epiphany whilst taking a dump.
Originally Posted by Sker
Agreed, but now I can share it on TRF...
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Usually 'sharing is caring', in this case 'sharing is scaring'. Please don't!
Any chance Willie le Roux gets a shot? Like the look of him.
News24 reported yesterday that Heyneke Meyer called Fourie Du Preez and offered him the Captaincy on a short term period.
Now the question is, will he take it??
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This is a HUGE step backwards, even if it is supposedly a short term thing.
No it's not, Fourie Du Preez is a great player and he will be very refreshed for the tests. For the Short term it's great as he can help the young ones settle in, and he's now only 30, IMO he still has one more World Cup ahead of him. And he was once the greatest scrumhalf in the world, he can be again, he the General for a reason. And if Hougie plays wing, then that great move which won us the game vs. Wales in the World Cup will be back in the mould.
Also, Ruan Pienaar is back in SA, he was at the Cheetahs game last night...
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Well, SA are short on true quality halfbacks.
I like Duvenage, but he isn't consistent enough.
McLeod is dire, we should be playing Hoffmann and Reinach.
If Ruan Pienaar can reach his previous best, then that is wonderful. Hougaard on the wing surely won't happen, he hasn't really played there all season. Anything to keep Habana out though. Willie le Roux should certainly be involved in some capacity. I have not seen much of Akona Ndungane, but le Roux is quite impressive, he offers a unique skillset, with his previous experience as an inside back.
It seems evident that Lambie will be playing fullback, better hope Pietersen/Viljoen hit some form soon, as Lambie is wasted back there. Shame Jaco Taute is being playing in midfield.
Looks like he picked up a serious shoulder injury on Saturday.
Yes it is, du Preez is well past his best and was once a great scrumhalf(best) but Hougaard is the future and we need to stick with him there, as he still has a way to go. Would be unfair to ask Hougaard to play wing once week, and halfback the next. Every time Hougaard came on at the WC, whether for Habs or du Preez, he added a spark and we were so much better.
We do NOT need another Smit- Bismark situation. And what makes Fourie a good choice for captain? Why don't we just call Smit and co. back as well?
Agreed 100%!
I'm not too worried; I trust Meyer when he says it's (the captaincy) only on a short term bases. In my mind that means whoever the captain is whether it's Spies, Du Pree or De Villiers, it's only for the tests against England and presumably th Rugby Championship.
Beyond that though I hope/pray/wish that we start working at bringing some form players in and giving them the exposure to test rugby they deserve and need as all three of Spies, Du Preez and De Villiers aren't there for the long haul or are even the best in their position ATM (I'm taking Du Preez's form as RWC form as Japan doesn't count IMO).
Exactly!
Meyer wants to start his tenure as Bok Coach with wins! and Du Preez has shown that he can beat England (2007 comes to mind). Form is temporary, class is pemanent.
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Really? You want him back because he beat them half a decade a go? Wonder what Percy is up to now days.....he available as well? Also, why is picking du Preez going to get us wins? Hougaard right now is better than du Preez, simple. If du Preez really wanted to prove other wise he should of kept playing in SA.
LOL! you are completely misreading what I'm saying, when Du Preez is on form, there's no-one better than him at scrumhalf. Yes Hougaard has the X-factor and yes he's the best in Super rugby. But you can't hide away from Du Preez's class and his massive contributions he has given to the Boks.
Our Bok Squad is going to be very green (inexperienced) and you need a lot of experienced guys when playing top-level rugby. Meyer knows this, and he doesn't make that many mistakes.
But before you all jump on your bloody high horses, Calm the F down... Fourie hasn't accepted the proposal yet...
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But that is the problem!?!
He has not been on form for about 3 years, and I don't how playing rugby in Japan would/could of changed that.
If you want to use that measurement, just look at Peter Grant
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Players contracted to teams overseas should not be included unless there's no other option. In du Preez' situation that's not the case. Francois Hougaard is good enough and we need to build for 2015. Give Hougaard a chance with van Zyl on the bench. We should not hold on to retired players or overseas players. Just give others a chance otherwise they'll never be ready for Test level rugby.
Yeah yeah, but there is immense pressure on Heyneke with this tour. He will do the breeding after the England tour. The only thing on his mind now is to sweep the Poms. and he will do it with guys he know are capable of doing it. I'm one of the biggest Hougaard fans around, but I personally think it's a good idea to get Fourie in the mix on an experience viewpoint...
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Today, Hougaard is a better halfback than Du Preez. The future has little to do: playing Fourie Du Preez in today's form (I don't think you can time-warp the 2007 one) would handicap SA's chances this June.
We have experience!
Bismarck, JdV, Habana, Jannie and Pietersen are players who were involved in the World Cup winning squad of 2007 and were there when we beat the Lions 2 years later.
Others like Bekker, Mtawarira, Brussow and Spies experienced winning the Tri-Nations, beating the Lions, just not the World Cup win.
People should stop complaining about the lack of experience in the squad
You can add Frans Steyn to that list as well adding up to 6! RWC winners from 5 years back and then, as mentioned, Bekker, Mtawarira, Brussow and Spies have been in the fold for a long time while Lambie and Hougaard had RWC experience last year so we can't complain about experience.
That's already 12 with half of them having VAST experience. Then we can bring in Pienaar and M Steyn if we really need experience later on.
so have you been watching du Preez play for Suntory Sungoliath?
probably none of us know what form he's in now, he just had one international season after a very long injury where he wasn't his usual self, for all you know he could have rediscovered form in Japan
Thankyou!! finally someone that thinks the same as me...
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Sprin...squad-20120528
Ruan Pienaar is now also in the Squad!
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Still we're picking a player that might have found form in an inferior league, over the form scrum-half in South Africa, it just makes no sense to me.
I was as thrilled as anyone when Heyneke was made SA coach, I think he's a brilliant man and definitely the best person for the job.
That said when he makes dodgy calls we can't defend him blindly. I can't help but feel he's trying to hold on to his Bulls side of 2007-2010 instead of moving forward in a positive way.
These are the SA Barbarians sides that will play England in the midweek matches
SA Barbarians South: 15 Jacquin Jansen, 14 Cornal Hendricks, 13 Kempie Rautenbach, 12 Wayne Stevens, 11 Norman Nelson, 10 Elgar Watts, 9 Boela Abrahams, 8 Jacques Engelbrecht, 7 Shaun Raubenheimer, 6 Mpho Mbiyozo, 5 David Bulbring, 4 Nolan Clark, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Hannes Franklin, 1 Corne Fourie.
Replacements: 16 Clemen Lewis, 17 Dean Hopp, 18 Ben Venter, 19 Zandre Jordaan, 20 Ntando Kebe, 21 Ricardo Croy, 22 Ntabeni Dukisa.
SA Barbarians North: 15 JC Roos, 14 Danwel Demas, 13 JW Jonker, 12 Joubert Engelbrecht, 11 Deon Scholtz, 10 Coenie van Wyk, 9 Shaun Venter, 8 Nicky Steyn, 7 MB Lusaseni, 6 Jaco Bouwer, 5 Rudi Mathee, 4 Eduan van der Walt, 3 Ashley Buys, 2 Torsten van Jaarsveld, 1 BG Uys.
Replacements: 16 Pellow van der Westhuizen, 17 Zane Kilian, 18 Boela Serfontein, 19 Martin Sithole, 20 Johann Laker, 21 Hoffman Maritz, 22 Tertius Maarman.
My god.....^^^^^^
Good looking lineups, though I am a bit unfamiliar with the bolded players... anyone have any information on them?
Cornal Hendricks, Mpho Mbiyozo and Danwel Demas all played Springbok Sevens
Demas, JW Jonker, Hannes Franklin and Ross Geldenhuys has all played SUper Rugby before.
The rest are a mystery.
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The 'Southern Barbarians' are a watered down Southern Kings LOL. This is actually an insult to our touring guests. I mean, what's the point of midweeks if not even the best from at least the Vodacom cup are playing? Hell, our varsity teams and the better schools first teams would be a sterner test- not even joking.
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