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He surely must have knew that he will be in Meyers squad. After all, Meyer did went overseas and had a chat with him and other contenders do tell them where they stand with him and what he expects from them etc.Originally Posted by TRF_Ezequiel
To be honest though it is a pretty girl he is getting married to. if I am married to het she can also wear the pants.... as long as they are short and tight and I can have the remote
Well, I prefer women without pants, but that's a whole different discussion haha.
You only get married once (well, should be once) so I don't worry about it too much. Let him have some fun. In a few years they'll be happily married. She'll be happy, he'll be married haha
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I'd probably show her the brighter and nice side of vocabulary...
Kanko is not that bad
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To all is so upset that Brussauw is not in the squad, this was posted on keo.co.za and I agree 100%
Coetzee is the future
6 Jun 2012
RYAN VREDE writes Marcell Coetzee is the natural successor to Schalk Burger, with Heinrich Brussow’s limitations as an openside seeing his Test future hanging in the balance.
Coetzee is the real deal. You get a sense about these things when you’ve seen enough impostors to know the difference. I remember being awed watching an 18-year-old Frans Steyn’s performance in torrential rain at Kings Park for the Sharks against Western Province in 2006. Coetzee has had me incredulous at times this season in the same way Steyn did six years ago and indeed as other players of their ilk have. They are a class apart, born not only to play Test rugby, but excel in elevated company.
Schalk Burger will be remembered as one of the great Springboks in history when he retires. There were concerns about the void the 29-year-old will leave when his battle-battered body eventually betrays him. And it will. Burger only has one gear – over-drive – and knowing nothing else but absolute commitment to the cause, he has scant regard for his longevity in the game. The South African rugby fraternity can take heart that in Coetzee there is a successor of immense quality.
Three years ago Brussow announced himself on the Test stage by tormenting the British & Irish Lions, and his value endured to the point where it was largely accepted that his injury-enforced early exit from the World Cup quarter-final was central to the Springboks’ defeat. But that was a time when a greater contest was allowed and under a coaching staff that overlooked Brussow’s relatively diminutive constitution because of the asset he was on the ground.
But Brussow’s future now looks bleak for a number of reasons. Future changes to the breakdown laws will increasingly favour the attacking team, gradually eroding the importance and value of a specialist fetcher (already statistically in 2012 Brussow has stolen nearly as many balls as penalties conceded). Indeed, Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer believes the laws that govern that facet of play already demand the selection of an openside flanker adept at contesting the breakdown in a bid to slow or turnover possession, as he is at carrying the ball, while having the height to be a lineout option is a bonus.
Coetzee ticks all those boxes, Brussow two at a push. Undoubtedly the Cheetahs man is a competent carrier, but Coetzee has shown himself to be a greater force, his muscular, 106kg frame better equipping him than Brussow’s stocky 100kg does in this regard. Both possess a high degree of mongrel (a key ingredient that a physical god like Pierre Spies lacks and which accounts primarily for his inability to consistently boss the tackle fight) but Coetzee’s aforementioned physical superiority amplifies his threat.
Coetzee, who started his career as a No 8 and later moved to blindside flank, readily admits he isn’t close to Brussow in terms of his contesting skills. But Meyer, who believes Coetzee will become a ‘superstar’ at openside, doesn’t care. He offers a multi-faceted threat that Brussow doesn’t (by Meyer’s standards), and, given he is close to his physical ceiling, probably never will.
The best Brussow can hope for now is a role as an impact player. Coetzee may have to bide his time when Burger returns from injury, but he is the future.
Even if his season is over, why in the middle of the SA winter???Rugby season is over for him. It ended 2 weeks ago.
Because then you can spoon lekker.
however he is in the team for saturday so I guess rugby won again. Good start for his marriage
Haha fair enough...Because then you can spoon lekker.
however he is in the team for saturday so I guess rugby won again. Good start for his marriage
I think his marriage is on the same weekend as the last test, that's why he is currently in the team.
Which will be a formality, just like the Lions tour in '09
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While I can see the reasoning behind Brussows exclusion, I can't actually agree with this reasoning, as I still see having a genuine ball-stealing openside flanker as a vital component of any starting XV*. When we have been playing South Africa over the last few seasons Brussow is one of the South African players that really worries me - I don't think it is a complete coincidence that South Africa are played 4, won 4 against us when Brussow has started at 6! I think Australia's run at the RWC highlighted the importance of a genuine open-side for me. Australia was outplayed at the breakdown against Ireland as they lacked a genuine 7 (Pocock was ruled out, with McCalman starting at 7). Pocock was back against South Africa in the quarters, and (legally or not) dominated the breakdown, which he was able to do because Brussow went off injured early in the game. Had Brussow stayed on there is no doubt in my mind South Africa would have won that game, as he would have got away with as much at the breakdown as Pocock, and having someone who is quick to clear out at the breakdown can help to neutralize the opposition openside flanker.
I know Brussow hasn't been in outstanding form this season (I didn't think he has been that bad though), but if I was selecting the team I would have him starting at 6. Meyer did mention that this squad was specifically for the England series, so we may see him back in the Rugby Championship (though as a NZ supporter, I hope not!). This is certainly not a slight on Coetzee - indeed I think he has been superb this season, and I would definitely start him at 7, as he is to me an ideal blindside flanker.
EDIT: As a slight aside, I found the bit about strange that Coetzees height, meaning he would be a greater lineout option, was mentioned. There is no doubt he is much taller than Brussow, however this season Coetzee has won 0 lineouts for the Sharks (yes that was a 0). Brussow has won 15 lineouts for the Cheetahs (obviously long throws over the tail of the lineout) - though Coetzee's height potentially make him a better lineout option, the stats tell a very different story!
*As a disclaimer: I'm sure my thoughts on this a very much influenced by the importance NZ has placed on a genuine openside over the last 15-20 years, and the failures we have had trying to convert blindside/number 8's into openside flankers. I certainly understand the other countries place very different importance on various aspects of different positions!
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Yes but don't forget that we had Brussow as a fetcher while Smit was our starting hooker and Bismarck was on the bench. Now we have Bismarck as our first choice hooker (FINALLY!!!) so that gives us a fetcher already, which makes way for a more diverse flanker, hence Coetzee. People will be surprised by the impact Coetzee will make
While I agree it helps to have other players who are strong at the breakdown on the park, I personally don't think this negates the necessity for a genuine openside flanker. While du Plessis can be handy at the breakdown in open play, he isn't much use from directly from set play, as he is either hooking the scrum or throwing into the lineout - therefore you are missing a quality 'pilferer' in those situations. I don't think not having a specialist openside will cost South Africa that much against England, as they themselves aren't playing a specialist in that position, but I do think it will cost them against NZ and Australia (and I think they would have had an obvious advantage at the breakdown had they included Brussow against England).
ACtually no, Brussouw was mainly used as a jumper in front of the lineout. where just the front prop picked him up.
As for the fetcher role, Brussouw might feature again in the rugby championships against the AB's and the Wallabies. but vs England, I feel his exclusion is warranted.
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Thanks for clarifying that heineken - I stand corrected. I obviously haven't watched the Cheetahs play enough this year!
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Considering that SA were second best to a not particularly adept England pack at the breakdown, I think dispensing with Brussow would be a little premature...
Yeah, they turned an area that should have been a major strength into a weakness..... In saying that they still won the game comfortably, so it didn't cost them (in that game at least), and they did benefit from the extra ball runners in their loose trio...
Yeah, it worked, because our pack wilted and our backline was shat. The trio of runners might well have had something to do with that, but I don't think it was a match to take away massive validation from.
In saying this, I'll stand by the principle it takes more than an openside to clear a breakdown. More than the Brussow call needs looking at. But slotting in Brussow instead of Spies would be an excellent call imo.
Totally agree with that. Spies is a show pony with one good trick.
Brussow is one of the few players in SA that plays 'too the ball', while most of our loose forwards are meat heads (good ones though).
In 1st Test against England, once again our attacking ball retention was shat. Our players just don't seem to be mindful of where the ball is. If Brussow comes in the starting 15 and just did that the whole game he would be offering more value than Spies.
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