Finally!! Bryce Lawrence!!

**heineken** · 25-07-12, 08:40 AM

Lawrence's Test career over
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Cape Town - SANZAR head of referees Lyndon Bray confirmed on Wednesday that New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence’s Test career is over, according to EWN Sport.

Lawrence, who was unbelievably named New Zealand’s referee of the year in 2011, has been in freefall since taking charge of the Rugby World Cup quarter-final between the Springboks and Wallabies, a game where he allowed the Wallabies the freedom of the park as they won despite having little possession.
Lawrence was widely criticised for his handling of the game, which bundled the Springboks out of the World Cup and was subsequently not given any Six Nations games at the beginning of 2012, with Sanzar refereeing boss Lyndon Bray admitting he needed to be “rehabilitated” following the performance.

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Lawre...-over-20120725

Everyone can now do the Happy Dance!

**Forum Ad** · 25-07-12 08:40 AM

**welshglory** · 25-07-12, 09:05 AM

Hallelujah! Now Super Rugby just needs to kick him out

**Ruckyou** · 25-07-12, 09:51 AM

ive hated Lawrence since he ref'd last years super rugby final. Glen Jackson is hands down the best ref in NZ.

**Invictus** · 25-07-12, 09:55 AM

Jackson's come through so quickly - definitely one of the most promising refs I've seen in a while.

**Zed** · 02-08-12, 06:41 AM

I thought he was **** when he reffed SA vs Australia, but so were SA. SA had so many opportunities and so much possession and did not score. They should have won by 15 - 20 points even with a **** ref. I'm quite happy to have a go at the ref and blame him for us losing, but not when we have played ****house. I thought the ref (can't remember his name) who reffed the Aus - Ire game was dreadful, but we were crap & Ireland outplayed us, so you don't complain about the ref. Perhaps a dubious try gets awarded in the final minute or something have a go at the ref, but seriously when SA were gifted so much ball and failed to score, they have to stick their hand up and say yeah the ref was ****, but so were we.

**Tony Manx** · 02-08-12, 06:55 AM

Useless T...!!

Now only a few more to join him like Rolland and most of the French ones and the game will be that much better!!!

**BZHopenside** · 02-08-12, 07:01 AM

I can never keep them straight, but are there any refs who one country or another doesn't hate? I've seen Jerome Garces pull a few howlers. Has Craig Joubert done anything to **** people off?

**Zed** · 02-08-12, 07:14 AM

I quite like Steve Walsh although he does seem a bit unprofessional off the pitch. Joubert is pretty good and some English bloke with silver hair.

**stormer2010** · 02-08-12, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by BZHopenside

I can never keep them straight, but are there any refs who one country or another doesn't hate? I've seen Jerome Garces pull a few howlers. Has Craig Joubert done anything to **** people off?

I think Joubert ****** the French off during the final of the RWC last year. Not so much for doing something as for not doing much in terms of officiating; you could argue the merits of the letting-the-players-sort-themselves-out approach versus a much more technical and whistle-happy approach but I think Joubert didn't whistle the final as he did the games beforehand and I'd understand a French grudge against him (in light Lawrence refusing to penalize the Aussies in our 1/4 final loss against them and how ****** I was at his 'performance' with the whistle in that game). Rather ironic as well with Joubert having a French surname LOL. That said I think he is a good ref and maybe the final was just too big a game too early in his carreer.

ZED, I also think Walsh has had a good year so far in the S15/SR. Never thought I'd say it but he's been good.

**Sker** · 02-08-12, 09:40 AM

We all know EVERYONE loves Kaplan...

bwahahahhahahaha

Sorry, couldn't resist.

**Tony Manx** · 02-08-12, 10:33 AM

Walsh

I thought he was terrible and very biased against Englad a few years back BUT have been singing his praises over the last year or so as I believe he is now one of the best!

**welshglory** · 02-08-12, 10:39 AM

Lawrence has been diabolical in every game he has refed since the WC, not that he has been good before then. He shouldn't reff another Super rugby game as far as i'm concerned he isn't up to the standard required. He could probably do a job in the Pro12 though, the refs there are amongst the worst in professional rugby.

**FlukeArtist** · 02-08-12, 08:09 PM

A good ref is one whose name dosn't really get mentioned during the game.
(But that can also be a reflection on the player's attitudes as well).

**Larksea** · 06-08-12, 11:17 PM

Prob a good thing he's gone, don't understand how he was cut for his performance and Wane Barnes was not for his performance in 07 which I think was a LOT worse

**Gena_ZA** · 07-08-12, 09:28 AM

I just want to know how the NZ administration gave him the umpire of the year award after his showcase in the World Cup - can anyone with inside info explain this?

**TRF_Ezequiel** · 07-08-12, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Gena_ZA

I just want to know how the NZ administration gave him the umpire of the year award after his showcase in the World Cup - can anyone with inside info explain this?

Steve Walsh was refereeing as an Australian, that's why

**Icemn** · 07-08-12, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gena_ZA

I just want to know how the NZ administration gave him the umpire of the year award after his showcase in the World Cup - can anyone with inside info explain this?

it part of the conspiracy...

lawrence had to draw up a list of demands...for him to through the 2 games...

lawrence knew he will never win a ref of the year award, so it was on his list...

its all on page 3 of the RWC Conspirary 2011...

typical SA... they only worry or complain when their team gets disadvantaged...

the AB were robbed in 2007, i still didn't hear 1 SA supporter complain... its about right and wrong... whether you affacted or not...

payback for 2007... karma is a bitch...

**TRF_Ezequiel** · 07-08-12, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Icemn

it part of the conspiracy...

lawrence had to draw up a list of demands...for him to through the 2 games...

lawrence knew he will never win a ref of the year award, so it was on his list...

its all on page 3 of the RWC Conspirary 2011...

typical SA... they only worry or complain when their team gets disadvantaged...

the AB were robbed in 2007, i still didn't hear 1 SA supporter complain... its about right and wrong... whether you affacted or not...

payback for 2007... karma is a bitch...

**stormer2010** · 07-08-12, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Icemn

it part of the conspiracy...

lawrence had to draw up a list of demands...for him to through the 2 games...

lawrence knew he will never win a ref of the year award, so it was on his list...

its all on page 3 of the RWC Conspirary 2011...

typical SA... they only worry or complain when their team gets disadvantaged...

the AB were robbed in 2007, i still didn't hear 1 SA supporter complain... its about right and wrong... whether you affacted or not...

payback for 2007... karma is a bitch...

Do you not consider yourself South African? You can support whomever you want but being born and living in SA don't you consider yourself as part of SA?

Lawrence had a terrible performance and your deluding yourself if you say otherwise. So to did Barnes in 2007 though of course I'd say Lawrence's performance was worse. Browse around and you'll find plenty of posts where I said so previously and also where I sympathise with France as I feel Joubert had a bad game in the final of 2011 RWC. That's just me but that is allready 1 Saffa. As for karma and 2007, well yeah, we all know SA didn't deserve to win as surely the All Blacks would have strolled through the tournament like they do at every other RWC... oh, wait no, they have only managed to win on home soil (without SA even in the first one).

**welshglory** · 07-08-12, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Larksea

Prob a good thing he's gone, don't understand how he was cut for his performance and Wane Barnes was not for his performance in 07 which I think was a LOT worse

Lawrence has been a average/crap reff all his career, after the world cup he has been on a massive downward spiral.

Barnes on the other hand been a average/good ref most of his career and he has had the ******** to work through the criticism he received and improved as a referee.

**stormer2010** · 07-08-12, 11:49 AM

We shouldn't forget to complain about that homosexual racist ******* referee Nigel Owens.. did I forget any slurs?

**welshglory** · 07-08-12, 11:55 AM

Don't rate Owens as a ref tbh

**TRF_Ezequiel** · 07-08-12, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by stormer2010

Do you not consider yourself South African? You can support whomever you want but being born and living in SA don't you consider yourself as part of SA?

I think I feel more South African than Icemn.

**TRF_Ezequiel** · 07-08-12, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by welshglory

Don't rate Owens as a ref tbh

How do you rate him?

**psychic duck** · 07-08-12, 12:11 PM

Bryce Lawrence is an awful referee. He was probably only at the World Cup to make sure New Zealand had at least one referee there.

**TRF_Ezequiel** · 07-08-12, 12:13 PM

If that was the case, they could have picked Chris Pollock to be the NZ referee.

**stormer2010** · 07-08-12, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by welshglory

Don't rate Owens as a ref tbh

Can't really say that I rate him but at the same time I can't really say that I think he isn't a good enough ref at test level. I can't remember him having a bad game.

I think the SA vs Samoa game in 2011 was an impossible game to ref. The guy that got carded for shoving Brussow got a bit hard done by but at the same time that was on the back of a ton of niggle Samao brought into the game; late and shoulder charges, late shoulder charges, pulling hair, tripping that sort of thing so I think it balances out. At the end of the day I think I personally prefer refs that are stricter and quite technical as opposed to refs who let things slide as a hundred small things that are let slide does add up to leaving a bitteIr taste in the mouth if you lose and even a little if you win as well.

All in all I for one have come to accept the ref as human, fallable and part of the game over the last while. I just wish the Bokke could get a bit more clever in dealing with the ref.

**welshglory** · 07-08-12, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by TRF_Ezequiel

How do you rate him?

I think he's one of the top refs.

But he always seems to be on edge. I find that he overreacts a lot to minor scuffles, when he should just let it go and he tends to give players lectures as well when there is really no need for it.

**Gena_ZA** · 07-08-12, 12:38 PM

Still want to know how did Bryce Lawrence deserve the top ref award in NZ, cause he helped take out SA or is there valid reasons
Enlighten me, please

**smartcooky** · 07-08-12, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by heineken

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Lawre...-over-20120725

Everyone can now do the Happy Dance!

I'm almost as happy as when I heard that Stuart Dickinson had retired...almost!

Originally Posted by Gena_ZA

I just want to know how the NZ administration gave him the umpire of the year award after his showcase in the World Cup - can anyone with inside info explain this?

Yes.

Even though the award was actually announced after the RWC it was for the New Zealand referee of the year during the New Zealand rugby season and the competitions threin which encompass Super Rugby, the June Tours (even though there were none in 2011 due to RWC, there normally would be), the ITM Cup and the Tri-Nations. The RWC is not part of the NZ Season.

As to whether or not it was even deserved is another story. I for one think he has been dire for a few years.

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