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    Brad Thorn

    I was thinking the other day when watching the Leinster vs Cardiff game, and thinking that Leinster look about a mile ahead of any other club side, that the Heineken is theirs to lose.

    That in mind, would that make Brad Thorn the most all-round successful rugby player of all time??

    He's won Super Rugby with the Crusaders, the biggest competition in the SH. He's won the RWC. Adding the Heineken to this, I can't think of any players who'll have done both.

    Not to mention he's already won Origin series, NRL Grand Finals and played for the Kangaroos.

    anyone else remotely close to being that decorated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingergenius View Post
    I was thinking the other day when watching the Leinster vs Cardiff game, and thinking that Leinster look about a mile ahead of any other club side, that the Heineken is theirs to lose.

    That in mind, would that make Brad Thorn the most all-round successful rugby player of all time??

    He's won Super Rugby with the Crusaders, the biggest competition in the SH. He's won the RWC. Adding the Heineken to this, I can't think of any players who'll have done both.

    Not to mention he's already won Origin series, NRL Grand Finals and played for the Kangaroos.

    anyone else remotely close to being that decorated?
    Thought about that when he signed, and the simple answer is no. None that I can think of even remotely close. True legend of both codes. I'm not a Leinster man by any stretch, but I hope they win just for Thorn.

    He's won
    State of Origin Series
    NRL Grand Finals
    Played for Kangeroos
    National Provincial Championships
    Super 14 Titles
    Tri Nations
    Grand Slams
    Rugby World Cup

    Right now he's unrivaled in terms of accomplishments, but if he wins the H-Cup, it would be extremely impressive. I think he's also nearing 400 first class games in combined codes. He's played 59 tests for the All Blacks and 1 game, making it 60 games.
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    I'm not a Leinster man either (maybe I should be my remaining Limerick Irish family (formerly Thomonds) has now dwindled and lives in south dublin) but I hope they win simply because they look so class.

    Across both codes, Jason Robinson I'd had a wee think about - Super League, played for GB; won the Premiership/ Grand Slam/ RWC, went on 2 Lions Tours, captained England. But even he doesn't come close.

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    Rod Kafer won the World Cup with Australia although was only part of the 30 man squad and didn't play in the final (1999), Super Rugby with the Brumbies (2001) and the Heineken Cup with Leicester (2002)

    the only other player to have won both Super Rugby is Doug Howlett with with Blues (2003) and Munster (2008)

    as far as Rugby League and Rugby Union combined winners medals are concerned, I'm sure nobody rivals Thorn

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    Va'aiga Tuigamala is another successful dual code honours.

    Won several titles with Auckland and Wigan Warriors (including world club championship), 19 All Black tests (including a successful Lions Tour and unsuccessful 1991 RWC), 23 tests for Samoa (including 1 unsuccessful RWC) + Rugby League for Samoa in RLWC. Once again though, still not in the same league of success.

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    Brad Thorn defines the role of enforcer in rugby. Still the best Lock in world rugby and he's about a decade older than the competitors snapping at his heels.

    Will be supporting Leinster just to see him add that extra trophy to his already impressive list of achievements.
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    Just found this cracking Brad Thorn interview, well worth a read if you have a spare ten minutes or so.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...315292020.html

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    Jason Robinson must be right up there. Lions test starter, international in rugby league and union, World Cup winner in Union, a Super League title and Premiership crown, a Challenge Cup and World Club Championship win too.

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    Fourie du Preez

    Nothing to do with RL; most South Africans don't even know about the existence of League LOL but he spearheaded;

    multiple Currie Cup titles with the Bulls
    multiple S14 titles
    3N series wins
    a series win over the B&I Lions
    RWC glory in 2007
    and most recently a title guiding the Suntory Sun Goliaths in the Japanese top league.

    His poor form coming back from injury is the no.1 reason why SA bowed out of the RWC 2011 IMO but his CV at least deserves a mention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aedaphon View Post
    Brad Thorn defines the role of enforcer in rugby. Still the best Lock in world rugby and he's about a decade older than the competitors snapping at his heels.

    Will be supporting Leinster just to see him add that extra trophy to his already impressive list of achievements.
    He does it without being dirty or over the top as well. He's just unrelentingly hard. A very, very difficult player to dislike.

    I'll manage it if they win though!

    Nick - good read

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peat View Post
    He does it without being dirty or over the top as well. He's just unrelentingly hard. A very, very difficult player to dislike.

    I'll manage it if they win though!

    Nick - good read
    Unless you're John Smit LOL.


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    I thought Brad Thorn would have a B&I Lions win under his belt, it's a pity. Basically the only thing he's missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sker View Post
    I thought Brad Thorn would have a B&I Lions win under his belt, it's a pity. Basically the only thing he's missing.
    True but with the chances to play against them coming around only every 12 years plenty of classy players will miss out on the opportunity to play opposite a very special team. I guess it adds to the value of playing against them in a way.

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    One of my favourite players.

    Great read, thanks Nick.

    Awesome to have the cup in Aotearoa. Though if you were an alien, and saw the Blues play and think they were the only NZ team, you'd be bloody scratching your head!
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    Nice of you to bring that up Ginger. Watched him since he played for the Broncos but didnt realise the full extent of his career and its absolutely impressive. Wouldnt be suprised if he had touch rugby titles in the off season lol.

    Really successfull career, even if he hadnt won all those titles he'd still be a champion player in my book.
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    I honestly had no idea he'd gone back to League in 2005, how did I miss that?! Otherwise he would have a series win over the Lions, instead of Jonno Gibbes and that other gyppo - Robinson?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyRil View Post
    I honestly had no idea he'd gone back to League in 2005, how did I miss that?! Otherwise he would have a series win over the Lions, instead of Jonno Gibbes and that other gyppo - Robinson?
    Keith Robinson. He was actually pretty good value, but constantly got injured. He actually missed the All Blacks tour through injury. The locks of the All Blacks Lions series were Chris Jack, Ali Williams, Jono Gibbes, James Ryan. Jono Gibbes or James Ryan would have probably missed out if Thorn was in New Zealand during 2005.

    Interestingly, while people think that the Lions team of 2005 was the best the All Blacks have produced (and it's probably fairly true of the starting XV's performance) heaps of those players fell into obscurity and were never really THAT good. Jono Gibbes, James Ryan, Campbell Johnstone, Derren Witcombe...all players which you'd struggle to think of what they did at test level.
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    James Ryan's career was unfortunately cut short by injury - he looked the goods when he was in the squad though! He's still reasonably young now, only 29.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sker View Post
    I thought Brad Thorn would have a B&I Lions win under his belt, it's a pity. Basically the only thing he's missing.
    And the HC but he's working on that

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    James Ryan was a very impressive player, he should have been a long term All Black. Heck he'd still be at the top level now if he played but he gave it up because he had a couple of bad injuries and he didn't like being in the Media constantly. He was obviously a smart lad and had an education to pursue and carrier outside sport as well.

    Craig Dowd obviously no league carrier and was Robbed of his world cup in 95 but he's got a lot of other titles in his CV
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    Ryan had some pretty bad injury issues didn't he?
    Ginger lad, played for the Highlanders. He did some RWC2007 coverage didn't he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draggs View Post
    Ryan had some pretty bad injury issues didn't he?
    Ginger lad, played for the Highlanders. He did some RWC2007 coverage didn't he?
    Yep that's the one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormer2010 View Post
    Fourie du Preez

    Nothing to do with RL; most South Africans don't even know about the existence of League LOL but he spearheaded;

    multiple Currie Cup titles with the Bulls
    multiple S14 titles
    3N series wins
    a series win over the B&I Lions
    RWC glory in 2007
    and most recently a title guiding the Suntory Sun Goliaths in the Japanese top league.

    His poor form coming back from injury is the no.1 reason why SA bowed out of the RWC 2011 IMO but his CV at least deserves a mention.
    No..... how dare you mention Fourie Du Preez in a thread about Brad Thorn!
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    Yeah, he was supposed to be the next big thing. Always hate seeing a career ruined prematurely by injuries.

    If FdP and Brad Thorn came to blows, oh my.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draggs View Post
    Yeah, he was supposed to be the next big thing. Always hate seeing a career ruined prematurely by injuries.

    If FdP and Brad Thorn came to blows, oh my.
    Who wouldn't come to blows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormer2010 View Post
    Unless you're John Smit LOL.

    The perfect response after Smit's (crafty/accidental) little eye-poke, followed by the shove to the back of Thorn's head. What would you expect Thorn to do....nothing? If you poke a dog with a stick dont be surprised when it turns around and bites you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woldog View Post
    No..... how dare you mention Fourie Du Preez in a thread about Brad Thorn!
    Hardly fair, since the OP did ask the question "....anyone else remotely close to being that decorated? "

    Quote Originally Posted by Sker View Post
    I thought Brad Thorn would have a B&I Lions win under his belt, it's a pity. Basically the only thing he's missing.
    That and a Rugby League World Cup. He played for the Kangaroos, but never won a world cup with them.
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    With FDP still not being even remotely close.....
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    Brad Thorn's trophy cabinet in full

    1997 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    1997 - Super League Test series (Australia)
    1998 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    1998 - Super League Test series (Australia)
    1999 - State of Origin series (Queensland) *
    2000 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    2001 - National Provincial Championship (Canterbury)
    2003 - Gallaher Cup (New Zealand)
    2003 - Bledisloe Cup (New Zealand)
    2003 - Tri Nations (New Zealand)
    2004 - National Provincial Championship (Canterbury)
    2006 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    2008 - Super 14 (Crusaders)
    2008 - Freedom Cup (New Zealand)
    2008 - Tri Nations (New Zealand)
    2008 - Bledisloe Cup (New Zealand)
    2008 - Hillary Shield (New Zealand)
    2009 - Bledisloe Cup (New Zealand)
    2009 - Hillary Shield (New Zealand)
    2009 - Gallaher Cup (New Zealand)
    2010 - Tri Nations (New Zealand)
    2010 - Freedom Cup (New Zealand)
    2010 - Bledisloe Cup (New Zealand)
    2010 - Hillary Shield (New Zealand)
    2011 - Bledisloe Cup (New Zealand)
    2011 - Rugby World Cup (New Zealand)

    * series was drawn, but Thorn and Queensland "won" it based on that they were the holders from the previous year

    Was part of the squad for these wins, but didn't play the final
    1997 - World Club Challenge (Brisbane Broncos)
    1998 - State of Origin series (Queensland)
    2002 - Super 12 (Crusaders)
    2009 - ITM Cup (Canterbury)
    2010 - ITM Cup (Canterbury)

    In total

    Rugby World Cup - 1
    Tri Nations - 3
    Bledisloe Cup - 5
    Super Rugby - 2
    ITM Cup - 4
    Hillary Shield - 3
    Gallaher Trophy - 2
    Freedom Cup - 2

    Super League Test series - 2
    World Club Challenge - 1
    NRL - 4
    State of Origin - 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by psychic duck View Post
    Brad Thorn's trophy cabinet in full

    1997 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    1997 - Super League Test series (Australia)
    1998 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    1998 - Super League Test series (Australia)
    1999 - State of Origin series (Queensland) *
    2000 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    2001 - National Provincial Championship (Canterbury)
    2003 - Tri Nations (New Zealand)
    2004 - National Provincial Championship (Canterbury)
    2006 - NRL Grand Final (Brisbane Broncos)
    2008 - Super 14 (Crusaders)
    2008 - Tri Nations (New Zealand)
    2010 - Tri Nations (New Zealand)
    2011 - Rugby World Cup (New Zealand)

    * series was drawn, but Thorn and Queensland "won" it based on that they were the holders from the previous year

    Was part of the squad for these wins, but didn't play the final
    1997 - World Club Challenge (Brisbane Broncos)
    1998 - State of Origin series (Queensland)
    2002 - Super 12 (Crusaders)
    Great work! Also may be worth mentioning all the Bledisloe Cups. I personally count the WCC, SoO and the S12 as an achievement. He contributed to the teams making it there, although winning the final is always the most prestigious.

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    Already the most decorated I'd say but hopefully he can help us add two more cups in the next week and a bit to the already prestigous list.
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